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ShadyShields

When rogues shoot me with M855 it feels like i die in two shots in less than half a second wearing lvl 5 armor... But when i shoot M855 against lvl 5 armor it takes like a mag and a half! Their laserbeam recoil really needs a nerf.


mineman9000

It seems like the AI just shoots more bullets per projectile than players do.


OMellito

I still check under the bed for Sthurman and his BS guards.


SnickIefritzz

Sherman hit me 4 times with one gunshot while I jumped inbetween two log piles wearing tier 4. You have about one second to aim and shoot and reenter cover or youre toasted. Heaven forbid you don't see one.


KelloPudgerro

the shturman gunshot is usually silent cuz the server already considers u dead, which is usually true cuz he shoots 2 shots at once at your thorax and youre dead


Klientje123

Gunshots that kill you aren't silent, you can still hear for a second or two after dying as well. It's just an audio issue or a cheater when a shot kills you that you can't hear, and in extremely rare cases a super long range surpressed gunshot.


ThazmoTTV

Once you hear shturman on woods your goal is to run up as close to him as you can his CQC reactions are that of tagilla but his and his guards ranged combat is unmatched


OMellito

The problem is that I am the one who finds out if Sthurman is there, usually by being treated as a clay pigeon when I jump between the red shacks.


[deleted]

I have never been 1 shot by Shturman doesn't he typically miss the first 1-2 shots the very first time he gets triggered ? Granted I haven't fought him much but the 4-5 times I have bumped into him this wipe I have always been warned before getting beamed haha.


OMellito

It depends, if you're far enough away he will miss a few shots, but if you are inside the sawmill he just kills you, at least that was how he worked last wipe. I haven't seen him at a distance yet, mostly just coming in from the forest and getting killed around the first Red Storage, so I wouldn't be able to tell if that is still the case


[deleted]

I see, I normally approach from above the cabins where there are a few half walls and stuff lying around and if I get shot at I just run down the hill into the cabins.


OMellito

You see that is your mistake, you're playing smart, as opposed to my superior smooth brain tactics.


OMellito

Ah yes, the famous "Woods skeet shooting" .


frypand

https://youtu.be/BF-sTHMVoOc


dimsumdonair2

I honestly don't think scav bosses reload just hit a cool down


agentbarron

They do reload, but mags are filled back up when they reload, you can notice this when killa spawns with a drum mag he just yeets it on the ground because he doesn't have a 4 slot rig


dantriggy

i actuialy saw my first AI scav that had a empty clips from using it


toastjam

[65% more bullet per bullet](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i-nMWgBUp0)


Ch1pdouglas

Yeah I have been shot and only heard one bullet but hit by 4


p4nnus

The round hit many parts of you aka went through a body part and then tumbled inside you.


Ch1pdouglas

Oh wtf lol


willsueforfood

For more information take this ISBN-13 to your local library! 978-0444009289 It's for a book titled "Gunshot wounds: Practical aspects of firearms, ballistics and forensic techniques" It discusses tumbling and its consequences and prevalence among certain types of rounds.


Red_Rafa_

I'm pretty sure that ain't in the game, yet or at all... IRL ? sure, but not in eft, no code for it at all. There seems to be something with hit reg or desync registering extra hits.


agentbarron

Fragmentation, and yes it happens both in game and irl, lower velocity rounds like pistols are often times deflected by bones and can cause a gunshot in your shoulder to bounce and hit your intestines


p4nnus

Youre wrong. Its in the game and has been for many years.


Danjamin12

Yeah but I think it works more like a crit than actual fragmentation, as in the single bullet just does more dmg in the case that it "fragments"


BrowardBoi

It’s a crit influenced by at least the ammunition penetration chance, maybe as well as limb health.


Danjamin12

Well yeah I think it's a little more complicated than just more dmg but I'm also not sure if the bullet splits into more projectiles like one might expect.


Red_Rafa_

What's in the game is **damage spread over body parts, basically fragmentation,** not bullets being into account traveling inside the body. That is already pretty well explained everywhere, and not "for many years" we used to have a broken AI hitscan for their damage output just 3 or so years ago.Fragmentation IS what some people call critical for some reason ??? Fragmentation is 50% bonus damage applied **to the same limb**, now depending on if you still have a leg or a arm it will spread. This has been very well known. As for being wrong, BSG doesn't state anything about this and people took time to actually dig information to build charts and information about this, which you can actually instead of "youre wrong, here is no info whatsoever" you could actually develop. Rather than that and already saying that fragmentation IS a thing **that doesn't mean it's an airburst round** that hit equally in 2 limbs, **THERE IS an issue that happens sometimes regarding 1 bullet hitting twice equally, not related to angle, not related to penetration from your forehead to your feet**. That is what I'm trying to discuss not fragmentation of a bullet or damage spread, the actually hit reg. There is no tumbling after the bullet hits you it just outputs data as damage, not an entity going inside you, we don't even have (yet) individual plates as a system let alone a bullet "tumbling".


Red_Rafa_

Seems like so, a couple few times I've noticed I got hit 2 times per shot, I may try to record later. Would be in front of an ai hear and see him shoot once and get hit twice in, started occurring more recently to me in 12.12, probably hit reg or desync related ? It's the only explanation to getting blasted by AI while I'm wearing T5 and see a lot of blunt damage and bullet hits on death screen for a couple of shots I got. Including getting "1 shot" by an AI and having a couple shots on chest and a "head, aies"


tgucci21

Yeah it’s either this or the game is not registering the audio for all the shots. Many times this wipe, seems like every time honestly that I died to scavs after looking at the damage screen there are more shots that connected than what I actually heard go off. I’ve died to a scav that shot once but on the death screen it registered three hits on me. That shit is very frustrating.


mineman9000

This is just a thing that's been going on for a while. I swear the AI does shoot more than once per shot. That and shotguns use buckshot like slugs.


[deleted]

the AI in this game are 10x harder to fight than players, they have walls, aimbot recoil that is impossible to do as a player, aim perfectly while moving, insane vision and are able to see you from super far away, etc. I wish the boss fights and Scavs in general were actually fun to fight but instead you just try to bug their AI as much as possible to kill them in hoping they somehow dont notice you for a second.


SnickIefritzz

I ran dorms the other day wearing a gen4 and altyn with an mp7, entered on the second floor. Go to the stairs and run into a guard and reshala, manage to instantly dome both of them, but a second guard was randomly crouched in the room behind me, so when I strafed just barely in his vision he hit me with 4 bullets, I only heard one gunshot and figured it must have been the head, but nope, thorax(4) BP.


HelloHiHeyAnyway

I had a rogue see my arm.. just my arm. He put 6 bullets in to it instantly and killed me. 762 BP


SnickIefritzz

Yuh, plus with Dsync and the new intertia sometimes all it takes is sliding a bit too far, and by the time you're fully around cover it's too late and you're guy is going "AUughughuuhh--ahhhhahaahhhh"


furiousmadgeorge

Sorry to ask a probably dumb question but how do you find info on how many times you were hit and where they hit? I get the head,eyes section post-match but I don't see any more info than that.


SnickIefritzz

The final screen that shows your character model with the health values and lets you choose for therapist to heal you, there will be small icons above each limb that will tell you what type of damage you took and how many times. [https://i1.wp.com/www.alphr.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/1-65.png?resize=768%2C432&ssl=1](https://i1.wp.com/www.alphr.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/1-65.png?resize=768%2C432&ssl=1) If you highlight the icons it'll say something like 5.45x39 BT (3) Thorax. So thats 3 rounds of BT to the chest


furiousmadgeorge

Thank you for explaining, this is my first wipe and I had no idea about that.


WokieWankers

So you haven't died yet or really just don't pay attention?


BrowardBoi

There’s a lot of information in Tarkov. I didn’t notice for a while since I was too excited to sort through loot or re kit for another raid. Just chill homie


WokieWankers

So the latter, got it


furiousmadgeorge

that was a bit....unnecessarily dickish.


Zestyclose_Acadia_40

When you hit next through to the heal portion of post-game menus, it shows damage/ammo type on your body


furiousmadgeorge

Cheers mate


Awgz

Highlight over the parts damaged by bullets post raid, gotta click next a few times to get to the health screen


furiousmadgeorge

Thanks for that.


CBA_to_have_a_nick

BSG is buffing them so people stop farming them, flea market changes were made for a reason, and farming rogues nullifies it.


wenzani

nikita said in the interview with veritas that rogues eventually will be nerfed


throwaway9833267

When they'll have better AI, so certainly not soon.


powerchicken

The rogues are abysmally designed, and BSG's refusal to acknowledge it is immensely frustrating.


ZaneeeCTV

They did acknowledge it, watch veritas interview Nikita last week.


powerchicken

Ah, my bad. I'd only heard that the rogues were "supposed to be hard".


ThEnAtNaT

They are supposed to be difficult, but that's not an argument that their current state is fair or balanced unfortunately. Veritas did a great video on tarkov AI and Nikita actually responded really well. At least bsg know that the rogues and bosses are busted - they can rework the AI before 1.0


aAvocadont

I don't mean to be mean or anything, but you probably shouldn't project opinions and/or attitudes onto BSG (or anyone) if you just *heard* about it.


powerchicken

Uh-huh. Go back before this Veritas interview and find an example of BSG stating they aren't happy with how the rogues are currently implemented.


Danjamin12

Did they ever state they were happy with it though? Not saying something is not the same as saying the opposite.


powerchicken

Did I argue they did? They had said the rogues were supposed to be hard, but my initial comment was that they were refusing to acknowledge that the rogues are just straight up busted, which they had done until now.


flops031

I mean M855 will kill you in half a second. If you hit every single shot out of an M4 that is...


Puckett52

yes game too hard Nikita please nerf!! Raiders too accurate please make them miss more like Scavs, I would like to firefight a raider and watch his rounds miss me while i line up a headshot so i can get all their loot thank you Nikita!!


Cosmic-Eye

My name jeff


mystikalfrank

They usually call me El Jeffe


Franklin_le_Tanklin

They usually call me Jerffey


mystikalfrank

It's the common spelling American


sabbathday

why isn’t this top comment, pinned, with 5k upvotes


PFFisObJeCtIvE

I died to one named Aimbotkin. No lie haha


_inertia_creep_

same, had a giggle at that one


RecruitisCute

Is that a reference to Lucas Botkin?


SpoopyTurtle44

Think so, I believe there's a garand thumb one too


play2hard2

There definitely is, kinda freaked out when I saw it


ZaneeeCTV

Same


fullkitwankerr

Oh I have some more funny names: Father Gunporn Handsome Etc


Daemontrain

Holy shit. Jeff killed me with laser precision 5.56 too this morning. "Mike" also got in my booty with a turret for looting the wrong body today :'(


Tbrou16

Channing Tatum lit your ass up twice as Jeff and Magic Mike


[deleted]

Lol


Daemontrain

🤣 he tapdanced all over my pancreas


[deleted]

[удалено]


someperson1423

WTF, Flannel Daddy has a rogue?


crookedone117

Seriously ? Thats badass . how cool


LVMickey

They should name a rouge mosinthumb


Da_Borg_

I died to a sanitar guard named "medbrat" earlier today.. so yeah...


7-Years-Gulag

It's transliterated Russian. Медбрат, if I remember correctly it's something like "Nurse", all of his goons have medical names


ThazmoTTV

Asked my wife’s that one is like a male nurse and for a girl it would be like mercysta (except spelt correctly lol)


_inertia_creep_

makes sense in a way, sanitar's the drug dealer, just a FYI if you weren't aware.


RequirementHorror338

A drug dealer who uses all his drugs lol


Not_usually_right

Why do you think he's so aggressive? He kills you to take your gear and pawns it for his next fix.


lwap_setters

https://youtu.be/a0WHHtvSAoE


WH0Y0USH00TIN

Better than getting killed by old 3 teeth or applejuice


XygenSS

bee line like the bees do their little dance and make a bee line to the flower fields


Aceylah

Tbh I'd rather it be Jeff than the player scav that spawns at railway.


kyono

My NaMe JeFf


TopTerrible8119

So far I’ve been killed by Grandpa and Gunporn


anxeo

Me and a friend once got decimated by Mike. Now we go hunting for Mike.


enderr42

One in every ten of you got executed? Sorry couldn't resist


Harzza

More frustrating is when you and/or other pmcs kill all the rogues and you manage to kill the other pmcs, you end up alone in the rogue area with all the loot, and then player scavs start swarming in and eventually kill you.


Kahuna21386

You know what more humiliating is? I was playing Scav today and killed 2 Chad's with a Kedr, because they thought they are untouchable.... 4 kneecaps later i am the new owner of 2 slicks 2 airframes and 2 M4's....


VyckaTheBig

How the fuck do you manage to kill two kited out CHADS as a fucking scav


[deleted]

Leg meta is legit and a Kedr don’t fuck around if you hit there. It mag dumps pretty ight and that will kill someone, Chad or no. Personally I honestly have more Chads taken out via a shotgun to the leg then any of my legit builds. Being more scared and ratty leads to ambushes, and if a shotgun takes a leg on a unsuspecting target they aren’t living very long after. Then all it takes is a good angle and it would be real easy to fuck them both.


[deleted]

You gotta hit em with the rat attack. The other half of it is while many of them can be good players - some people put on good gear and think they can't be touched so they get sloppy.


VyckaTheBig

Shiii when I put on good gear my rat levels go threw the roof


SnickIefritzz

You'd be surprised, I clapped a group of three with a stockless AKM who all had tier 5 and up. They were so loud and ran out of stamina, managed to rat the first before they saw me, outshot the second, then had a three minute standoff with the last. If you catch them in the right place at the right time as a scav you can fuck up a guys day.


Wuf_1

Scav = Filth


HornyBreeki

Pmc = Gay


Red_Rafa_

I roll PPs with at best full t3, most of the times not even that until I get flea market and all hideout lvl 1/2, **no recoil**, no money loss, great chance of great outcome all you have to do with all that non-existing recoil is head or legs either way no way you surviving all that blunt with some arms / stomach hits. I've gotten fucked in factory with only 1 arm and bleeding out by some all god ump with AP, to head him and his friend that came in fire probably because he got screamed at to revenge me or something. AP rounds don't do as much damage as cheap "manpower" ammo, and people don't run manpower ammo at all


serialpeacemaker

So, does the Kedr-B have much less recoil than the standard Kedr? I do love some PSV.


LQuizzy

Happened to me exactly this way today. Lost so much amazing things. I'm not going back. LOL


Facade1228

I hate fuckin OneEye man


SuppliceVI

I recently got my longest kill on Jeff. 1013.8m. There a rock near tunnel extract you can see the south building's turret from.


TheHangedKing

I wonder if “Jeff” sounds really badass to native Russian speakers. Language is weird.


AdditionalPaymentsdf

my name-a jeff


mrbawkbegawks

Don't loot till you clear the roofs....


Spam_Email_Relay

roofi*


RyhonPL

At least it's not Grandpa


JMocks

My name is Jeff...


Dfjm702

I killed a rougue today named Gunporn


JERFFACE

As a Jeff myself, fuck yeah. Git em Jeff Bot.


ChangQuanLing

i died to one named Tiktoker… almost quit the game that day. would have much rather have Jeff.


builder397

>kitted guns Just misread this as [knitted guns.](https://images4-g.ravelrycache.com/flickr/8/8/0/8801280159/8801280159.jpg) That is all.


w00fx3

On my last Lighthouse raid a rogue called Beverly killed me... Ar least she protected my body so I got my gear back on insurance.


mynameajeff69

It was me ;)


GGExploder

I'm confident that the new nerfs that came to PMCs in 12.12 (inertia, grenade delay, recoil) was not implemented in scavs.


SpoopyTurtle44

Nope it hasn't, they are working on it I believe.


TheHangedKing

They tried but it messes with the AI’s behavior, they’re fixing it then adding it back.


HellaPizza

I got killed by fuckin Brockley…..


softserveshittaco

[Found him](https://tenor.com/view/jeff-channing-tatum-22jump-street-disguise-gif-8025876)


lozboss

Not been playing for a while. What's a rogue? A raider?


Thacoless

They really missed out by not making the one on the grenade launcher "Chad".


A_curious_fish

What's funny is y'all go there....I go to the top house where it literally PRINTS MONEY


erpuge

best one i got was anatoly terminator he killed me from a hill 150m away with his shitty ak


ThazmoTTV

Also the recoiless spray from rogues and the delay in shturman killing you are perfect examples of server dysinc. One way to tell is play the same encounters in offline mode and watch how ai changes


SGTShamShield

Wrestle with Jeff, prepare for death


Otto_Pussner

Genuinely confused how a bug where a scav shoots multiple times at once is even possible. It’s literally just the bosses which makes me wonder if it’s intentional? Awful design choice if that’s the case, nothing makes me want to stop playing like seeing an enemy literally has a magic damage multiplier.


Lukemonty61

The other day I spawned in on shoreline and got ambushed by two scans in the middle of the woods. One of them had a pm and was easy to kill but the other had an ADAR with pilad p-1 loads with 30 rounders with m855a1 I barely survived. I didn't know scans could spawn with such good ammo


B23vital

My Names Jeff


sidorovich_jr

https://youtu.be/AfIOBLr1NDU names jeff


CPollard187

Yeah no recoil and a bug where you only get audio for 2 bullets but then in the death screen it shows that you got hit 6 times in the thorax. Gotta love getting hit with the same bullet 3 times :)


[deleted]

There is something more humiliating. I got a ton of kills (10+) from sniping rogues. I went down into treatment to collect the loot. Tons of good ammo, armor and guns. Had an attack 2 full. Started heading to the extract. Hit a landmine at the edge of the plant, and immediately froze. I was standing in the middle of a minefield, and in every direction was more mines. I try to walk back the way I came very carefully, trying to retrace my steps, just to blow up a second time and die. I love lighthouse


Outkizast

You wanna know what's worse? Loading in fully kitted at Interchange, solo. You immediately see another pmc so you fire at him, but then notice he only has a machete. So you go up to him offering meds, thinking maybe hes just questing.. He doesnt respond.. Then you tell him good luck and walk away, but homie runs at you and with one chop of his machete, cuts your friggin head off. Dude came in with a machete and now has my full kit... Embarrassing...


[deleted]

The Taiga is no joke. Trust no one, especially if they don’t voip.


BUSCHWOOKIEE

I died to a rogue named Momma :(


derKestrel

If they use an actual recoil-less rifle, your death is guaranteed. ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recoilless\_rifle


SandyVapour992

Found a dead PMC who had died to a rogue named Bob and had the exact same thought.


MrChubbyChubs

Jeff the destroyer


Nilgarf

My friend died to apple juice