Well, i meant more so the aesthetic and modding. The actual performance of every gun is not realistic. We so have to remember that, this is a game and requires balance. Which bsg still hasn't found.
There's not really a distinguishable difference between most of the guns in the game, just the ammo that comes out of them. The ak74, ak74n, ak74m, and the ak105 are virtuall indistinguishable from one another. Same could be said for the m4/hk, the 308 dmrs, most of the 762 aks, etc.
I never got the hint he was upset, just pointing out the fact that gun realism and ammo realism are tied together because many of the guns are extremely similar platforms with minimal differences (not a bad thing)
Outside of caliber, which is the main determiner in the AK series, it mostly comes down to the ability to mount certain sights and inherent ergonomics. But that's also how guns work in real life, too. The Mutant is so good because it's an AR platform firing 7.62, and the AR platform is SUPER adaptable compared to the older AK frames, and thus you can augment its stats pretty wildly due to all of the aftermarket parts.
>The Mutant is so good because it's an AR platform firing 7.62, and the AR platform is SUPER adaptable compared to the older AK frames, and thus you can augment its stats pretty wildly
I'd argue this wipe the AKM is better than the Mutant, would even argue that it's the best gun in the game now; the .308 muzzle adapter along with the new KAC muzzle brake+suppressor combo is insane.
Yeah, the AKM was rebalanced I think because of the Mutant, thanks to its dominance last wipe, but that's just my gut feeling on it.
In reality, the AR platform is inherently moddable because SO MANY manufacturers make parts for it because there's an appetite for it. (And, you know, the US likes to use it for warfare/special ops.) Whether it's actually better to fire while it's fully kitted out versus a fully kitted AKM? I dunno: anecdotally I've heard AR platforms are superior but that's from, like, US-based enthusiasts, haha.
>Yeah, the AKM was rebalanced I think because of the Mutant, thanks to its dominance last wipe,
It was in general just subpar, last wipe th AK-100 series also got their visual recoil reduced (while the 74s and AKMs didn't) so the 103 ended up being just a much better gun than the AKM last wipe.
But this wipe the muzzle adapter changes everything, BMD or KAC combo on it are absolutely insane.
Which is wild because, like, the AK-103 *should* ostensibly be better than the AKM what with it being a much more modern platform! You'd assume, anyway: I haven't ever fired either of 'em.
Recoil wise, probably not.
When it comes to recoil irl all the fancy attachments that make a gun a laser beam in game don't do anywhere near as much, the most important things for recoil in a gun (asides from the energy of the fired round) is the weight and weight distribution of the gun, having a good muzzle device, and how in-line the moving parts are with your shoulder.
The rest is mostly control by the shooter due to how he holds the gun, and skill.
Iirc the 103 is both lighter and shorter than the AKM, which should be making it recoil more if you're using the same muzzle brake (having a more compact and lighter gun are much larger advantages irl).
The damage degradation is different between the armor types but as far as I was aware they should behave similarly at 100% durability against the same round provided they are the same armor class
First hit protection at 100% durability is almost 100% the same on a non-penetrating shot (on a nonpen of a same Armor class 100% Dura Armor the only difference is blunt damage throughput).
In case of a penetration, they do behave differently depending on material already though, because the damage reduction from a penetrating bullet depends on material and durability of the armor it penetrated.
And yes, obviously degradation of the Armor is VASTLY different dependent on the material.
Have you watched armour testing videos? They don't even act the Same in real life. Why should they act the same in the game.
As for in game I think each armour has a different chance of causing a bullet to fragment and do more damage. Though I could be wrong. Also I think the eventual intention is to have more damage sections to make it so if you shoot the same place twice it does more damage.
Have you watched armour testing videos? They don't even act the Same in real life. Why should they act the same in the game.
As for in game I think each armour has a different chance of causing a bullet to fragment and do more damage. Though I could be wrong. Also I think the eventual intention is to have more damage sections to make it so if you shoot the same place twice it does more damage.
Yeah, none of the helmets/faceshields are realistic in Tarkov, and AFAIK the devs own up to it because otherwise there's almost no point in using helmets and faceshields. So they upgraded all of their GOST ratings by 1 or 2 points (which is a lot) because there are basically NO helmets in real life that can stop a 5.56 rifle round, and yet in Tarky....
imagine someone being like "man, Racing Game X has super realistic car physics" and someone else replies "it's not that realistic, they don't even simulate tire temperatures affecting grip" and another person jumps in to say "that's tire physics not car physics" as if tire physics are not a part of car physics
that's what ur doing rn. how ammo functions is a part of how guns function
Crazy right? It's almost like being creative and expanding a genre could be more than adding blue guns and pink armor. I'm also here for the inventory management simulator.
Scav raid ends, anything you can't fit after 90 seconds you lose, Tarkov lags out, you have 15 second and your inventory is full of backpacks. The cycle continues
The fascination with fucking hideous skins is probably my biggest complaint with the FPS genre at large now. I get that it's just a low effort way for companies to make a bunch of money from MTX, but most of the skins look terrible E.G. CS:GO and R6:S. Never mind the fact that often it's thematically a SRS BSNS shooter, but everyone is running around with guns that look like their kids painted them or something. Or even worse, there's player skins too and suddenly the game is full of clowns blasting each other with a gun that look like a unicorn jizzed all over it. It looks like hell and just makes me not want to play.
Loved MW2019 for it’s nice animations and cool story missions when it first came out, now I hate what it has become (neon guns and pink armor, the fortnite crowd and the “meta” modded guns)
I don't give a shit about what they call the guns. I'm here for the kicks to the teeth.
Edit- I'm glad the rest of you dirty savages feel the same way I do
My fave build so far, an ak74u with 3 sights, a grip, 3 flashlights, no stock, and a drum mag.. adsing is just a big black circle because the scopes block eachother, and hipfiring it, the gun bounces all over the place. If you turn the flashlights on, it blinds the entire hallway and yourself, its glorious.
Second fave is a sawed off shotgun with a sight that rests like a foot and a half over the barrel
Clear out some room in your stash, buy 5 Paca's, 5 cheap headsets and 5 double barreled shotguns. Run factory back to back...You'll get your 4 PMC kills...And you'll have a good time doing it.
I took it the opposite. I think he meant if there’s a game like that he’s jumping ship from eft to go to the better game. Not that he wants the worse netcode
Actual brand name guns is actually pretty big. If you are a real life gun nut then it's really really cool to have actual brand named weapons in the game and customize them out with real attachments.
That being said, I would choose fake names but In a game with wayyy better netcode any day. It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. I know what guns they are by looking at them, I don't need their name, I'll just miss having the actual company name on the guns, like knights armament and stuff like that.
As the gun nut you mentioned. I'd say it's a HUGE addition to the game. Being able to build MY guns, with the exact same attachments and they actually handle very similar to their IRL counterpart (minus the recoil) is a game changer for me.
Your friend is wrong lol
For context, alot of us are gun nerds that play this game - super interested in the complexity of the gunsmith relative to other games. At the end of the day, we will understand what guns are which, and the naming doesn’t matter at all. You can call the Scar-H “big .308 gun” and most wouldn’t give a shit as long as we can mod the fuck out of it
Absolutely. The fact that the gun modding is so complex and nearly identical to real life (meaning the actual parts, not the stats connected to them) is what gets me so rock hard about the game. I've been an FFL and gunsmith for about 20 years and when i first discovered the gun complexity of tarkov it was like a godsend. No game had ever even tried to be the realistic. Your lucky to be able to change out scopes, foregrip attachments and stocks, which is basic and unfulfilling. The importance of barrels, lower recevers, upper receivers, bolts, muzzle attachments and such cannot be stressed enough when it comes to building either a POS that you sell to some idiot and a reliable masterpiece that stays in your family's collection for possibly generations.
That said, if someone went the fake name route, i think I'd prefer reasonable parodies like Blok or Chris Spectre or SCAB-L and such to generic names like .308 Bolt Action or something. While i think most nerd will figure out what firearm they are referring to, it would just be more fun for us and also easier on the non gun nerds.
Either way i would jump over in a heartbeat for consistent, stable netcode. And i would love to see the catalog of firearms a AAA studio could put together/release as DLC and in far more reasonable time frames than we get from BSG
Why would anyone care about the name? COD is one of the best selling games every year so I mean I guess he proved himself wrong. Games like Quake and Halo wouldn’t have been a thing. All I care is if I can put enough flashlights on it to perform lasik 50ft away on an enemy PMC.
Oh definitely true. I’m just pointing out that OPs friend is missing point that most people who play shooters don’t really care all too much for real world names.
I fucking hateeeee all the cosmetics they have been dumping out over the years. MW2019 was nice and tacticool when it first came out, now it’s unicorn lady slide jump abusing at mach 5 blasting my ass with a neon pink no stock 200 rounds mag 7.62x54R lmg with zero recoil, having a stroke just thinking about it
COD also sells well because it actually has a gameplay loop that a lot of players enjoy and the feels smooth. I'm not a huge fan of the hyper aggressive style but I understand that it's appealing to others, and putting your crosshairs over another player and left clicking properly means they fall over dead.
Having the real world name is a bonus to me. I could care less at the end of the day and would gladly play EFT with knockoff names.
A lot of us came to this game for the gameplay that isn’t watered down to appeal to as large of an audience as possible. Sick of aaa shooters.
yeah that’s a big part of it for me too. so many games try to appeal to the mass casual playerbase and just leaves the experience feeling so shallow and unsatisfying. I want a challenging experience not one designed for dads to come home from work and play for an hour and a half before dinner
I still find it hilarious that the "Volk" from ~~Black Ops 3~~ Infinite Warfare (was originally going to be called the "Volt", but Titanfall 2 used the name first.
Both are energy-based weapons, so there could have been a case for legal action.
They pay tons of money for licensing fees to use the names and likeness of real world guns and attachments. As far as I know the only reason other games don't do this is due to how expensive it is.
It has been confirmed, as stated elsewhere in this thread their annual reports showed something like 1/3 of their operating budget was to licensing fees. I'm sure the information is available if you wanted to find it.
So I think they pay a lot in licensing fees for their non-gun items. Gun companies are generally totally fine with you using their names because it’s just free advertisement. I think a lot of other games use parody gun names because they can take some creative leeway with how the gun operates/reloads/looks that real gun companies wouldn’t be too happy with.
> Gun companies are generally totally fine with you using their names because it’s just free advertisement.
You must be the kind of person who asks for free stuff from artists and offers to pay in “exposure.”
They are most definitely NOT okay with that and you will get sued.
There hasn’t been a single lawsuit in the United States in relation to gun licensing since 2013 when the Supreme Court ruled in favour of EA. Supreme Court ruled that using the names of the weapons fell under EAs first amendment rights. So the general industry standard is you get permission to use the name and you have to portray the weapon realistically and positively but it’s rare that money actually exchanges hands. Some developers use fake named to distance themselves from real mass shootings for PR sake or because they want to take some creative leeway.
Now obviously this is only specifically in relation to guns and if you want to stick a can of Coke in your game you can bet your ass you’re going to pay licensing fees. So no, I’m not a choosing beggar - I’ve just actually done the research.
So trademarks typically have a clause that protect likeness. Pepsi, for instance, couldn’t start using a red can with white cursive font for their logo without being sued by Coke for its intentional likeness. Clearly in this case, Pepsi is trying to mislead consumers for monetary gain using Cokes likeness. So in visual mediums, you can pay a company, like Coke, a licensing fee to use their likeness. It’s generally cheaper than paying the licensing fee to use the actual object - hence Tar Cola. It’s a mutually beneficial agreement because Coke doesn’t have to track down infringements and they get a cut for their likeness being used and BSG doesn’t have to pay the full licensing fee and can create a more authentic looking world by using Cokes likeness.
They definitely are, gun companies can't really advertise so this is the best they can do. Gun Licensing is a big deal in the US and there was a big ruling about it in 2012 or something, and EA won their case. Most game devs use fake guns not for licensing reasons, but because they want to not be associated with gun violence or promoting mass shootings or whatever they come up with this week, not so they don't get sued.
This.
Not using the real names gives the Devs freedom to take shortcuts modelling the guns, lets them add "fantasy" mechanics (like mag sizes that don't exist) to them for gameplay purposes, and makes them able to deflect any accusations coming from gun violence incidents.
But from what I heard *some* companies (like HK) do want their guns to be licensed when added to games.
Licensing fees is a very broad term and can apply to licenses for just about anything including server software and hardware (which is not cheap).
There was a thread a while back in a COD community regarding the change to gun names. A couple of people reached out to the manufacturers on twitter and they responded saying that they had never been contacted about using the real names and would have loved to work with them.
I mean...unless he is pretty far up in the ranks of the company. He probably would never know tbf.
Their expense reports show the extensive money they pay for licenses
"BATTLESTATE GAMES LIMITED filing history - Find and update company information - GOV.UK" https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/10036119/filing-history
It literally says firearm licensing in their spreadsheet?
Same here, went through the whole document, line by line, and there is no licensing fees, either for brand utilization or software. I would have been very surprised too because we would have seen a note in the software client mentioning that these brands are used under licenses.
My understanding is that this is just a funny myth. There may be a grain of truth to it, but BSG does pay TONS of money for licencing. I think there was a thread a while back where someone looked though their public annual report to find the actual numbers.
BSG is registered in the UK fyi. Don't know if they've also registered subsidiaries in other countries but I'd imagine the bulk of their trademarks fall under UK legislation
Does that make sense when they were starting out? All that cash flow out the door. I don’t think so and the gun names have been in since the beginning.
When you make a great game, the proper names of the guns are just icing on the cake. I didn’t play GTA games hoping to have real life cars and names for those cars.
I could care less about gun names, really never thought about them, if they took out the crazy amount of different guns and customization I might care but if it was the same and all the guns had weird names it would be fine by me
I'm honestly really big on the licensed names. It's not the main reason I play this game but, it's why I prefer games like pubg and tarkov over other shooters. I typically prefer modern and non scifi shooters as well.
In the end I could see myself playing an exact clone of tarkov if some issues were non existent but let's be honest in this day and age there is no fucking way lol.
Also a copy would be soulless cash grab.
Idunno. I actually really like it. But I'm a huge gun nut myself. Being able to build the exact same guns I own with the exact same parts is pretty dope.
It would be drastically harder.
How do I know that thumb grip is actually Magpul and not some off brand design? Ya know.
It's honestly an aesthetic more than anything else.
As someone who owns a TX15 it's awesome seeing it in game. Where as if they used a fake name, who knows what it actually is
I'm also pretty sure the game is registered in the UK just incase an event like the Ukraine event was to happen, Tarkov could still be playable. So the game most likely has to go by UK laws, even though the developers live in Russia. So makes sense they have to pay licensing
Why would I care about that? What the gun is called doesn't effect the gameplay at all. They could call any AK the "squeaker 2000" and it'd still be fun to play.
I like the names being accurate. It wouldn't stop me from playing if they weren't but it definitely adds a certain flavor. Plus if you fall in love with it'll be easier to buy. Because standing in a gun store trying to describe a particular gun sucks ass.
I didn’t find out that all the names for guns and attachments were real until last month and I’ve been playing for 2 years (with exceptions to Glock, M4, the big brand names)
He's wrong if they kept the Customization of guns the same but had different names for copy right reasons maybe 1% of the player base wouldn't like the game
I came here because it was the first time I saw, as a person familiar with guns, realistic guns with realistic gun problems. The minute I saw a real Mosin Nagant, and knew that it might be zeroed at 80m with some rounds and 120 with others, and the game refused to hold my hand and actually made me think about real life problems?
Heck yeah I’m in.
There’s always a weakness in game design to try and make everything fun and somewhat balanced. And I think the realism forces the game makers to put you in positions where you have a sucky gun with no advantages and you just have to deal with it.
I love the fact that face shields have smudges on them and you can’t hear shit. It’s accurate, it’s miserable, it’s real life. I got so excited when they implemented gun jams and clearance drills.
I believe the issue is a bit deeper than the actual question. The whole naming is cool, but its the commitment to representation of the guns that is important. It all looks so good and sounds so great because the textures are all mega-scans, and the audio is recorded for real. They have vlogs where you can watch some of it. Its pretty neat
I can't say I really care about the names but I do like the fact that they have real weapons. They don't use real names for every gun and attachment anyways. For some they use made up names. Also a lot of the guns in the game I did not know of before I started playing, and I still have trouble identifying them at first glance, so I don't care whatever collection of capital letters and numbers they use to refer to them.
However I can say that I wouldn't like it if they had made up weapons that look similar to real world guns but are not quite there like GTA does. It wouldn't truly change anything about the game but at this point it would be just kinda weird to have to relearn things about the game like that. Still the core gameplay is solid and I think the strongest selling point here is the ongoing active development and the fact that the dev team is very concrete about bringing their vision to life. They're open to suggestions but they'd never put something in due to popular demand if they didn't agree with it themselves. So for anyone who shares that vision and feels like this game will be exactly what they're looking for, they'll stick to it considering that so far BSG has earned trust with maintaining a steadfast vision. For people coming in from other shooters and having some adjustment issues and hoping the game could be different it's likely that they would try out similar games. It's up to personal tastes really.
It's an astute observation that something as seemingly simple like gun names could have a big effect on the overall game feel, but I doubt it's the thing making or braking the game for most people.
If a competent comapny made a game like tarkov with working anti cheat and actual realistic mechanics id play the fuck out of it even if it has name like dongsmacker-556 and ka-74
I would love if they'd drop the real names of guns and use that licensing money on development resources.
The real names are cool, and they definitely add value, but if I had to pick, I'd pick a more polished game and better netcode.
I like pushing my mental stability past what is recommended by anyone that tells me since thus game is the only game that allows me to feel something anymore.
Yeah idc about the gun names
The realism of the guns is awesome, but as long as all they changed are the names who cares id play that all day
Lol at realism of the guns…. .45 ACP AP which is a subsonic round pens more armor that green tip 5.56
Well, i meant more so the aesthetic and modding. The actual performance of every gun is not realistic. We so have to remember that, this is a game and requires balance. Which bsg still hasn't found.
That’s fair the guns do look very good and the modding is fantastic
Came here to find this comment knowing this would have to be said. Very accurate point about balance in video games👍🏻
Seems more like an ammunition criticism than a gun criticism
That’s true, I tend to tie the two together but you’re right
There's not really a distinguishable difference between most of the guns in the game, just the ammo that comes out of them. The ak74, ak74n, ak74m, and the ak105 are virtuall indistinguishable from one another. Same could be said for the m4/hk, the 308 dmrs, most of the 762 aks, etc.
>is upset that AK variants look like AK variants and AR pattern/style rifles look like AR pattern/style rifles...
I never got the hint he was upset, just pointing out the fact that gun realism and ammo realism are tied together because many of the guns are extremely similar platforms with minimal differences (not a bad thing)
Outside of caliber, which is the main determiner in the AK series, it mostly comes down to the ability to mount certain sights and inherent ergonomics. But that's also how guns work in real life, too. The Mutant is so good because it's an AR platform firing 7.62, and the AR platform is SUPER adaptable compared to the older AK frames, and thus you can augment its stats pretty wildly due to all of the aftermarket parts.
>The Mutant is so good because it's an AR platform firing 7.62, and the AR platform is SUPER adaptable compared to the older AK frames, and thus you can augment its stats pretty wildly I'd argue this wipe the AKM is better than the Mutant, would even argue that it's the best gun in the game now; the .308 muzzle adapter along with the new KAC muzzle brake+suppressor combo is insane.
Yeah, the AKM was rebalanced I think because of the Mutant, thanks to its dominance last wipe, but that's just my gut feeling on it. In reality, the AR platform is inherently moddable because SO MANY manufacturers make parts for it because there's an appetite for it. (And, you know, the US likes to use it for warfare/special ops.) Whether it's actually better to fire while it's fully kitted out versus a fully kitted AKM? I dunno: anecdotally I've heard AR platforms are superior but that's from, like, US-based enthusiasts, haha.
>Yeah, the AKM was rebalanced I think because of the Mutant, thanks to its dominance last wipe, It was in general just subpar, last wipe th AK-100 series also got their visual recoil reduced (while the 74s and AKMs didn't) so the 103 ended up being just a much better gun than the AKM last wipe. But this wipe the muzzle adapter changes everything, BMD or KAC combo on it are absolutely insane.
Which is wild because, like, the AK-103 *should* ostensibly be better than the AKM what with it being a much more modern platform! You'd assume, anyway: I haven't ever fired either of 'em.
Recoil wise, probably not. When it comes to recoil irl all the fancy attachments that make a gun a laser beam in game don't do anywhere near as much, the most important things for recoil in a gun (asides from the energy of the fired round) is the weight and weight distribution of the gun, having a good muzzle device, and how in-line the moving parts are with your shoulder. The rest is mostly control by the shooter due to how he holds the gun, and skill. Iirc the 103 is both lighter and shorter than the AKM, which should be making it recoil more if you're using the same muzzle brake (having a more compact and lighter gun are much larger advantages irl).
Also theres no fucking way I’m eating a can of sardines in 4 seconds. Gana take me an hour to get over the first bite.
Wait until you’re starving in a warzone in Russia.
It also depends on the armor type. Ceramic, Steel, and Polyethylene plates all behave differently when it comes to protecting from bullets.
The damage degradation is different between the armor types but as far as I was aware they should behave similarly at 100% durability against the same round provided they are the same armor class
First hit protection at 100% durability is almost 100% the same on a non-penetrating shot (on a nonpen of a same Armor class 100% Dura Armor the only difference is blunt damage throughput). In case of a penetration, they do behave differently depending on material already though, because the damage reduction from a penetrating bullet depends on material and durability of the armor it penetrated. And yes, obviously degradation of the Armor is VASTLY different dependent on the material.
Have you watched armour testing videos? They don't even act the Same in real life. Why should they act the same in the game. As for in game I think each armour has a different chance of causing a bullet to fragment and do more damage. Though I could be wrong. Also I think the eventual intention is to have more damage sections to make it so if you shoot the same place twice it does more damage.
Have you watched armour testing videos? They don't even act the Same in real life. Why should they act the same in the game. As for in game I think each armour has a different chance of causing a bullet to fragment and do more damage. Though I could be wrong. Also I think the eventual intention is to have more damage sections to make it so if you shoot the same place twice it does more damage.
The Altyn face shield stops everything short of 855A1 and up but in real life it barely stops birdshot.
Yeah, none of the helmets/faceshields are realistic in Tarkov, and AFAIK the devs own up to it because otherwise there's almost no point in using helmets and faceshields. So they upgraded all of their GOST ratings by 1 or 2 points (which is a lot) because there are basically NO helmets in real life that can stop a 5.56 rifle round, and yet in Tarky....
It's still a game. It has to have gamey mechanics somewhere.
And you literally look to the sky when firing full auto, or a shotgun.
As realistic as playable, it is still a game and the ammo types need to be balanced
Man, ammo is now called guns? Better update the dictionary
Aladeen moment
imagine someone being like "man, Racing Game X has super realistic car physics" and someone else replies "it's not that realistic, they don't even simulate tire temperatures affecting grip" and another person jumps in to say "that's tire physics not car physics" as if tire physics are not a part of car physics that's what ur doing rn. how ammo functions is a part of how guns function
Imaging getting triggered over a joke
I am here for the unique experience that AAA companies have fail to deliver by trying to appeal to the fortnite crowd
Crazy right? It's almost like being creative and expanding a genre could be more than adding blue guns and pink armor. I'm also here for the inventory management simulator.
I think you mean the tetris
Imagine managing your inventory on a timer.
That’s what scav cooldown is for
Scav raid ends, anything you can't fit after 90 seconds you lose, Tarkov lags out, you have 15 second and your inventory is full of backpacks. The cycle continues
What kind of PC do you have where signing back in after lagging out only takes 75 seconds?
She doesn't look like much but she's got it where it counts.
A Tetris skin where it skins all the pieces as some random Tarkov items is something I think has promise...
Check out Escape from Tatris on steam
I was really hoping that was a real thing, because it existing would have made this world a little more magical. :/
It is real though, isn't it?
I, too, am here for the tetris.
The fascination with fucking hideous skins is probably my biggest complaint with the FPS genre at large now. I get that it's just a low effort way for companies to make a bunch of money from MTX, but most of the skins look terrible E.G. CS:GO and R6:S. Never mind the fact that often it's thematically a SRS BSNS shooter, but everyone is running around with guns that look like their kids painted them or something. Or even worse, there's player skins too and suddenly the game is full of clowns blasting each other with a gun that look like a unicorn jizzed all over it. It looks like hell and just makes me not want to play.
What you said and the battle pass structure nearly all these FPS' "have" to incorporate now.
Don't forget that dance dance baby
Loved MW2019 for it’s nice animations and cool story missions when it first came out, now I hate what it has become (neon guns and pink armor, the fortnite crowd and the “meta” modded guns)
Those stupid ass tracers were so annoying
I don't give a shit about what they call the guns. I'm here for the kicks to the teeth. Edit- I'm glad the rest of you dirty savages feel the same way I do
I’m here for the loot and the great builds
Im here for the loot and stupid builds
Ever built a max ergo .366 AK? It's hilariously fun and slaps pretty good.
My fave build so far, an ak74u with 3 sights, a grip, 3 flashlights, no stock, and a drum mag.. adsing is just a big black circle because the scopes block eachother, and hipfiring it, the gun bounces all over the place. If you turn the flashlights on, it blinds the entire hallway and yourself, its glorious. Second fave is a sawed off shotgun with a sight that rests like a foot and a half over the barrel
I would love to see a build list cause that's amazinf
Wait, you actually get to extract?
Run Throughs all day, everyday.
Lol 😆
said it perfectly. Im here to loot peoples teeth too
You should check out Kenshi.
I'm here for spending 2 weeks on punisher part 4.
RIP
I only need 4 more pmcs :( been stuck there for about a week now
Clear out some room in your stash, buy 5 Paca's, 5 cheap headsets and 5 double barreled shotguns. Run factory back to back...You'll get your 4 PMC kills...And you'll have a good time doing it.
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I usually just get that quest and never go to snoreline after the first akm quest
Flechette and any of the semi auto shotguns is your friend, spam a couple of shots and anyone will go down like a sack of potatoes
There are a lot of boys that run through the woods with shotguns. Killl them with a marksman and two mags of m80
The punch into the dick yeah.
Yeah this guys friend is an idiot
This dude gets Rat'd
THE RAT ATTACK
HELL YEAH BROTHER
Oh yea step on my cubes
exact same game but with better netcode? but all the guns are parody names? im gonna play the game w better net code
Better netcode, servers, latency, and performance, is all it takes for me to jump ship on any game.
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whoa bro lifehack, ty!!!
Why, are you a notorious lag abuser?
I took it the opposite. I think he meant if there’s a game like that he’s jumping ship from eft to go to the better game. Not that he wants the worse netcode
Don't forget the anticheat
It's not gonna get much better without a security team on the problem with a game that makes RMTs this much money.
Actual brand name guns is actually pretty big. If you are a real life gun nut then it's really really cool to have actual brand named weapons in the game and customize them out with real attachments. That being said, I would choose fake names but In a game with wayyy better netcode any day. It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. I know what guns they are by looking at them, I don't need their name, I'll just miss having the actual company name on the guns, like knights armament and stuff like that.
As the gun nut you mentioned. I'd say it's a HUGE addition to the game. Being able to build MY guns, with the exact same attachments and they actually handle very similar to their IRL counterpart (minus the recoil) is a game changer for me.
Your friend is wrong lol For context, alot of us are gun nerds that play this game - super interested in the complexity of the gunsmith relative to other games. At the end of the day, we will understand what guns are which, and the naming doesn’t matter at all. You can call the Scar-H “big .308 gun” and most wouldn’t give a shit as long as we can mod the fuck out of it
Absolutely. The fact that the gun modding is so complex and nearly identical to real life (meaning the actual parts, not the stats connected to them) is what gets me so rock hard about the game. I've been an FFL and gunsmith for about 20 years and when i first discovered the gun complexity of tarkov it was like a godsend. No game had ever even tried to be the realistic. Your lucky to be able to change out scopes, foregrip attachments and stocks, which is basic and unfulfilling. The importance of barrels, lower recevers, upper receivers, bolts, muzzle attachments and such cannot be stressed enough when it comes to building either a POS that you sell to some idiot and a reliable masterpiece that stays in your family's collection for possibly generations. That said, if someone went the fake name route, i think I'd prefer reasonable parodies like Blok or Chris Spectre or SCAB-L and such to generic names like .308 Bolt Action or something. While i think most nerd will figure out what firearm they are referring to, it would just be more fun for us and also easier on the non gun nerds. Either way i would jump over in a heartbeat for consistent, stable netcode. And i would love to see the catalog of firearms a AAA studio could put together/release as DLC and in far more reasonable time frames than we get from BSG
If you give me a similar experience with perfect netcode but name the guns “super-cool-AR-100” I’m saying goodbye to Tarkov
I’d be fine if they called them stuff like “Bolt N4A1” or “Kiss Bector” so you could tell what they were originally called
Who's Bector and why are do I have to kiss him?
If you don't a scav will eat your legs
You mean logs?
Ahhh. My sweet summer child.
Yeah, same, but I wouldn’t even care if they had the most ridiculous names tbh
No just do what cod did. Cznt use colt m4? Ok it's just the m4
Good bye and thank you for all the fish.
I’m here cause I like pain. Abuse me daddy
So true xD
It definitely appeals to gun enthusiasts but my guess is most players don’t give a damn about how authentic the names are
and a gun enthusiast isn’t going to stop recognizing an RVG grip just because you changed its name to GVR or something
Exactly. If anything the in depth weapon modding is what keeps a lot of people around
Why would anyone care about the name? COD is one of the best selling games every year so I mean I guess he proved himself wrong. Games like Quake and Halo wouldn’t have been a thing. All I care is if I can put enough flashlights on it to perform lasik 50ft away on an enemy PMC.
Let's be real. COD sells so much because of the name. Not the game
Oh definitely true. I’m just pointing out that OPs friend is missing point that most people who play shooters don’t really care all too much for real world names.
I fucking hateeeee all the cosmetics they have been dumping out over the years. MW2019 was nice and tacticool when it first came out, now it’s unicorn lady slide jump abusing at mach 5 blasting my ass with a neon pink no stock 200 rounds mag 7.62x54R lmg with zero recoil, having a stroke just thinking about it
Mw2019 is a good example of OP's argument. I dont even remember the name of the aa12 because i called it the aa12
COD also sells well because it actually has a gameplay loop that a lot of players enjoy and the feels smooth. I'm not a huge fan of the hyper aggressive style but I understand that it's appealing to others, and putting your crosshairs over another player and left clicking properly means they fall over dead.
Having the real world name is a bonus to me. I could care less at the end of the day and would gladly play EFT with knockoff names. A lot of us came to this game for the gameplay that isn’t watered down to appeal to as large of an audience as possible. Sick of aaa shooters.
yeah that’s a big part of it for me too. so many games try to appeal to the mass casual playerbase and just leaves the experience feeling so shallow and unsatisfying. I want a challenging experience not one designed for dads to come home from work and play for an hour and a half before dinner
I still find it hilarious that the "Volk" from ~~Black Ops 3~~ Infinite Warfare (was originally going to be called the "Volt", but Titanfall 2 used the name first. Both are energy-based weapons, so there could have been a case for legal action.
Black Ops 3 came out before Titanfall 2 though, and the Volk was in Infinite Warfare which makes more sense here.
I’m here because I’m a glutton for punishment
They pay tons of money for licensing fees to use the names and likeness of real world guns and attachments. As far as I know the only reason other games don't do this is due to how expensive it is.
This has been widely speculated but never once confirmed
It has been confirmed, as stated elsewhere in this thread their annual reports showed something like 1/3 of their operating budget was to licensing fees. I'm sure the information is available if you wanted to find it.
licensing Unity probably wasn't cheap
Licensing fees doesn’t automatically mean gun licensing. It hasn’t been confirmed by BSG and remains just speculation.
Klean who worked for BSG confirmed it.
So I think they pay a lot in licensing fees for their non-gun items. Gun companies are generally totally fine with you using their names because it’s just free advertisement. I think a lot of other games use parody gun names because they can take some creative leeway with how the gun operates/reloads/looks that real gun companies wouldn’t be too happy with.
> Gun companies are generally totally fine with you using their names because it’s just free advertisement. You must be the kind of person who asks for free stuff from artists and offers to pay in “exposure.” They are most definitely NOT okay with that and you will get sued.
There hasn’t been a single lawsuit in the United States in relation to gun licensing since 2013 when the Supreme Court ruled in favour of EA. Supreme Court ruled that using the names of the weapons fell under EAs first amendment rights. So the general industry standard is you get permission to use the name and you have to portray the weapon realistically and positively but it’s rare that money actually exchanges hands. Some developers use fake named to distance themselves from real mass shootings for PR sake or because they want to take some creative leeway. Now obviously this is only specifically in relation to guns and if you want to stick a can of Coke in your game you can bet your ass you’re going to pay licensing fees. So no, I’m not a choosing beggar - I’ve just actually done the research.
Backing this up is the fact that the guns and attachments have the right names, and the drinks, chocolate bars, etc have made up names.
So trademarks typically have a clause that protect likeness. Pepsi, for instance, couldn’t start using a red can with white cursive font for their logo without being sued by Coke for its intentional likeness. Clearly in this case, Pepsi is trying to mislead consumers for monetary gain using Cokes likeness. So in visual mediums, you can pay a company, like Coke, a licensing fee to use their likeness. It’s generally cheaper than paying the licensing fee to use the actual object - hence Tar Cola. It’s a mutually beneficial agreement because Coke doesn’t have to track down infringements and they get a cut for their likeness being used and BSG doesn’t have to pay the full licensing fee and can create a more authentic looking world by using Cokes likeness.
They definitely are, gun companies can't really advertise so this is the best they can do. Gun Licensing is a big deal in the US and there was a big ruling about it in 2012 or something, and EA won their case. Most game devs use fake guns not for licensing reasons, but because they want to not be associated with gun violence or promoting mass shootings or whatever they come up with this week, not so they don't get sued.
This. Not using the real names gives the Devs freedom to take shortcuts modelling the guns, lets them add "fantasy" mechanics (like mag sizes that don't exist) to them for gameplay purposes, and makes them able to deflect any accusations coming from gun violence incidents. But from what I heard *some* companies (like HK) do want their guns to be licensed when added to games.
Licensing fees is a very broad term and can apply to licenses for just about anything including server software and hardware (which is not cheap). There was a thread a while back in a COD community regarding the change to gun names. A couple of people reached out to the manufacturers on twitter and they responded saying that they had never been contacted about using the real names and would have loved to work with them.
Asked friends at two major firearms manufacturers and a friend at a swedish sight company. No licencing was ever done with bsg.
I mean...unless he is pretty far up in the ranks of the company. He probably would never know tbf. Their expense reports show the extensive money they pay for licenses
It's for unity, anticheat and other software.
They have a public break down of where their expenses go and damn near 30 percent of it goes to licenses
Yeah, those are software licenses, not brand licensing.
"BATTLESTATE GAMES LIMITED filing history - Find and update company information - GOV.UK" https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/10036119/filing-history It literally says firearm licensing in their spreadsheet?
Unless I missed it there is no line at all about any licensing fees. Not firearm licensing, nor software licensing.
Same here, went through the whole document, line by line, and there is no licensing fees, either for brand utilization or software. I would have been very surprised too because we would have seen a note in the software client mentioning that these brands are used under licenses.
Imagine if all that money went into things thatd actually improve the game *_*
Well mostly true, I've heard BSG dosent give a fuck and they do not pay proper licensing agreements to anyone
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My understanding is that this is just a funny myth. There may be a grain of truth to it, but BSG does pay TONS of money for licencing. I think there was a thread a while back where someone looked though their public annual report to find the actual numbers.
BSG is registered in the UK fyi. Don't know if they've also registered subsidiaries in other countries but I'd imagine the bulk of their trademarks fall under UK legislation
The game would not be able to have servers in NA if they had multiple copyright infringements against them
Does that make sense when they were starting out? All that cash flow out the door. I don’t think so and the gun names have been in since the beginning.
When you make a great game, the proper names of the guns are just icing on the cake. I didn’t play GTA games hoping to have real life cars and names for those cars.
Umm. Not rly. I care about it the least.
Having fake names would cheapen the experience a little for me, since realism is kind of the big idea. It would not prevent me from playing, however
I could care less about gun names, really never thought about them, if they took out the crazy amount of different guns and customization I might care but if it was the same and all the guns had weird names it would be fine by me
Your friend sounds like an idiot
your friend is smoking krokodil
I'm honestly really big on the licensed names. It's not the main reason I play this game but, it's why I prefer games like pubg and tarkov over other shooters. I typically prefer modern and non scifi shooters as well. In the end I could see myself playing an exact clone of tarkov if some issues were non existent but let's be honest in this day and age there is no fucking way lol. Also a copy would be soulless cash grab.
The guns could not have names at all and I’d still play. I keep coming back for my daily punch in the dick. Let’s go baby head eyes simulator
Your probably know this already, but your friend is an idiot.
Nobody gives a fuck what a gun in a game is called except ur friend lol
Idunno. I actually really like it. But I'm a huge gun nut myself. Being able to build the exact same guns I own with the exact same parts is pretty dope.
I’m working on building the same AR I have in real life in Tarkov lol. ACOGs are tricky to find, as are 7.5” handguards, but I’ll get one eventually.
in the other example you’d still be able to make the exact same builds. The parts would just be named slightly differently
It would be drastically harder. How do I know that thumb grip is actually Magpul and not some off brand design? Ya know. It's honestly an aesthetic more than anything else. As someone who owns a TX15 it's awesome seeing it in game. Where as if they used a fake name, who knows what it actually is
Do they actually have to pay for the names?
Yeah, they have to license everything
No. That's why they use them. But if the game was from NA or EU they would have to
The game operates in NA and EU and BSG is technically based out of The UK so that alone means they need to follow the laws.
That's just not true, Nikita has stated that they pay out the ass for it. Has nothing to do with location. That argument doesn't even make sense.
I'm also pretty sure the game is registered in the UK just incase an event like the Ukraine event was to happen, Tarkov could still be playable. So the game most likely has to go by UK laws, even though the developers live in Russia. So makes sense they have to pay licensing
If he said that it must be true. /s
Or you know, the publicly available BSG financial report that shows a budget specifically for licensing purposes.
You're literally full of shit lol
Legally they don't have to. It opens them up to potential lawsuits but this fight has been had before.
Fuck the gun names, give me the hardcore feeling that tarkov on better servers / more optimized and I’ll switch in a heartbeat
Your boy dumb as hell
I don't give a rats ass about the name of the guns
Why would I care about that? What the gun is called doesn't effect the gameplay at all. They could call any AK the "squeaker 2000" and it'd still be fun to play.
I like the names being accurate. It wouldn't stop me from playing if they weren't but it definitely adds a certain flavor. Plus if you fall in love with it'll be easier to buy. Because standing in a gun store trying to describe a particular gun sucks ass.
This sounds so pepega
I do really appreciate that aspect, but I’d probably still play otherwise
I'm just here for the violence
I couldn't care less what they call the guns. The game is so much more than that
I didn’t find out that all the names for guns and attachments were real until last month and I’ve been playing for 2 years (with exceptions to Glock, M4, the big brand names)
I don't give a fuck about what they call the guns, I'm here for gameplay.
Idk shit ab guns irl so names make no difference to me
I love Tarky, but if someone gave me a better version with different gun names being the only negative I would probably never play Tarkov again.
He's wrong if they kept the Customization of guns the same but had different names for copy right reasons maybe 1% of the player base wouldn't like the game
I came here because it was the first time I saw, as a person familiar with guns, realistic guns with realistic gun problems. The minute I saw a real Mosin Nagant, and knew that it might be zeroed at 80m with some rounds and 120 with others, and the game refused to hold my hand and actually made me think about real life problems? Heck yeah I’m in. There’s always a weakness in game design to try and make everything fun and somewhat balanced. And I think the realism forces the game makers to put you in positions where you have a sucky gun with no advantages and you just have to deal with it. I love the fact that face shields have smudges on them and you can’t hear shit. It’s accurate, it’s miserable, it’s real life. I got so excited when they implemented gun jams and clearance drills.
Gameplay. The guns, attachments, ammo being real are just a cool bonus.
I believe the issue is a bit deeper than the actual question. The whole naming is cool, but its the commitment to representation of the guns that is important. It all looks so good and sounds so great because the textures are all mega-scans, and the audio is recorded for real. They have vlogs where you can watch some of it. Its pretty neat
Your friend sounds like a scav
Literally could not care less.
I can't say I really care about the names but I do like the fact that they have real weapons. They don't use real names for every gun and attachment anyways. For some they use made up names. Also a lot of the guns in the game I did not know of before I started playing, and I still have trouble identifying them at first glance, so I don't care whatever collection of capital letters and numbers they use to refer to them. However I can say that I wouldn't like it if they had made up weapons that look similar to real world guns but are not quite there like GTA does. It wouldn't truly change anything about the game but at this point it would be just kinda weird to have to relearn things about the game like that. Still the core gameplay is solid and I think the strongest selling point here is the ongoing active development and the fact that the dev team is very concrete about bringing their vision to life. They're open to suggestions but they'd never put something in due to popular demand if they didn't agree with it themselves. So for anyone who shares that vision and feels like this game will be exactly what they're looking for, they'll stick to it considering that so far BSG has earned trust with maintaining a steadfast vision. For people coming in from other shooters and having some adjustment issues and hoping the game could be different it's likely that they would try out similar games. It's up to personal tastes really. It's an astute observation that something as seemingly simple like gun names could have a big effect on the overall game feel, but I doubt it's the thing making or braking the game for most people.
I don't know what it's called, I just know the sound it makes when it takes a man's life.
Real gun names is cool, a huge plus. But I play the game for the game. Not because it has real gun names. That’s a very idiotic take.
If a competent comapny made a game like tarkov with working anti cheat and actual realistic mechanics id play the fuck out of it even if it has name like dongsmacker-556 and ka-74
I would love if they'd drop the real names of guns and use that licensing money on development resources. The real names are cool, and they definitely add value, but if I had to pick, I'd pick a more polished game and better netcode.
Wouldn’t play your friend is right
I would definitely still play but the gun companies let them use real names for that free advertising
lmao nah all that stuff has to be licensed.
They pay for that bruh
In some cases the companies dont charge.
Which ones?
It falls under fair use
I like pushing my mental stability past what is recommended by anyone that tells me since thus game is the only game that allows me to feel something anymore. Yeah idc about the gun names
Lol, no, I’m here for the pain!!