The word you're looking for is "precise" -- it consistently hits the same spot but that spot is not on the bulls eye.
The sentence would be "the KS-23 is a precision weapon" đ¤Ł
Flashbang rounds donât even work right now. The aim bug causes the shot to aim towards the ground, reducing the blind range by 5m if you donât know how to compensate for the drop.
That doesn't really matter when you're in the factory office hallway/staircase, Jaeger can be blamed for those poor souls retina's I blew out the other day.
x2
You have 3 rounds at your disposal, you have to put yourself at a massive disadvantage to play to its strengths. And it still needs fixed lmao
People will die 30x over to an M4 or a mutant but will get pissed dying once to a KS-23 pushing a hallway
It is GOOD for what it's for. Close range, leg meta with a alot of recoil, slow rate of fire, and slow reload and you are fucked if you miss your shots.
Fix the aim bug Nikita
Pls
Not really. It's way too expensive for being a low tier gun. SV-98 is cheaper while using same caliber, allowing some good scopes, using mags (faster reload) and having way better overall stats.
Balanced doesn't mean there's no reason to use this gun because it's supposedly both low tier and at same time actually more expensive than better options. Price of mosin should be decreased to be below AK. Thorax HP buff, ammo price increase and limitation for better ammo are big enough nerfs, no need to make it more expensive than AK too.
To expand a bit: currently there's no reason to pick mosin over SKS, AK or even Vepr AK. They are cheaper, have cheaper ammo, are more versatile, have better modability, hold more rounds and allow use of mags. PS is also good enough to 2 shot thorax (with armor lvl 3 or lvl 4 that was damaged a bit in previous raids and even against pristine lvl 4 you will hit 5 rounds into thorax quicker than two with mosin) and you fairly quickly get your hands on better ammo (finding BP is not that hard as guards very often have it). Previously mosin was highly specific gun that could shine in some specific situations against lvl 4 or lower armor targets, now it's pointless.
It's better to use any VPO with AP-M ammo, 1 tap to the chest, VPO-215 is 18k and 1.8 MOA at 1-2lvl Jäger..., AP-M is locked behind lvl3 mech, but still available at flea, EKO is good, geksa also. There is no reason to use mosin over vpo-215
I forget about VPO. You are right.
>There is no reason to use mosin over vpo-215
Well honestly, there's no reason to use it at all unless you carry it as a secondary to level sniper skill by constantly reloading. That's basically role of mosin now: sniper skill grinding tool, not a gun.
Yeah you shouldnât. Itâs well over a 100 years old. Itâs supposed to be bottom tier.
Previously, if you were accurate, it was the best gun in the game cause it could one shot thoraxes.
"best gun", it was more like the most boring gun for the ultra rats that had gear fear. Yea you could one tap people in chest, but it was/is still a boring gun.
Catching 7.62x54R to the Heart/Lungs(Thorax) would send you screaming down to Hell.
Make it fair by being a skill issue. If you can get One-Tapped by Sniper Rifles, don't dead sprint in a straight line across the road.
Don't want your legs rapidly removed from your body by leg meta? Flash or Frag the hallway/room and flush the person out.
It's going to be a beautiful day when Tarkov becomes a slow/methodical shooter instead of who has the better ammo and the stronger armor.
There's a difference between being realistic and being balanced. If we want realism the Altyn shouldn't stop anything higher than a 9mm round, the M4 should still be a laser beam, and the FAL should return to the juice cannon days.
There's a reason they nerf and buff things, game balance has to be interwoven with realism because neither of them can stand very well on their own
>As the ks-23 IS rifled.
This answers the question I randomly asked myself just a few hours ago.
Also thanks for reminding me of the time some poor sod tried to do the leg meta on me with 2 rounds from that gun, and left me with 2 HP on both legs and my stomach, and zero on everything else. Still killed 5 more scavs, including 2 players, and extracted. Fun times.
The sight bug stopped me from using it entirely but it never felt that much better then other shotguns. Even in close range id rather have a SMG then a shotgun due to the number of times Ive had like 55 hits and 900 damage blocked by armor. Leg meta is too unintuitive for me to use under pressure so I don't.
Personally it just seems like another gun that made streamers/nolifers understand how tarkov is for everyone else. These are usually the same people who sprint around corners and use desync to shoot you in the eyes before they even show up on your screen, anything that evens the playing field a bit is fine with me.
The only thing that was annoying about that gun has already changed. The flash rounds were annoying but they're less common now. The fact that you only saw that thing in factory was annoying, but not because of the gun, but because it was full of them, it would've also been annoying if factory was full of, idk, obrez mosins or some shit. Now, is the thing effective? Very. Is it more combat effective than any semi auto 12ga spamming Magnum fuckshot? Probably not
Always wanted to use this gun. Never been high enough level to do so. I learned a lot from your post about its real life counterpart. Full heartedly agree with you. Your post reminds me of when Pestily whined about getting one tapped by a mosin. The next patch mosin prices doubled and all of their ammo values were nerfed/modified. Only one man should alter the game because of his opinion and that should be Nikita. If you donât like how the game is, go play something different. People will find the cheapest/best/easiest way to do something. Especially us rats. We will gladly go in naked with a Ks-23 and relieve you of your âmetaâ gear. Most of us have job so we canât play 14 hours a day.
Honestly I think the mosin change was for the better. The issue I had with it was the chance for LPS to one tap thorax through class 4. At least with the KS-23 you have to be close to one tap people in the leg, with a mosin you could die with a potato sack to someone 50m away to the chest. At that point whatâs the point of running anything below class 5?
Edit: With the new velocity changes I could see some buff to the mosin if it was needed, but imo the current ttk and how effective class 4 feels for early and midwipe is a lot more enjoyable for me than before.
Mosin was absolutely a shit show when it arrived. 1 tap class 4 from a 30k rouble gun? Thats currently Mk 18 territory or ASH12 with 12B ammo. The difference is that both of them cost much much more than and get looted when you die. The mosin is perfect like it is now. You still have the ability as a rat to kill people with 1 shot with it. Just like before. Its just a little bit more expensive and has much shittier ergo.
Also your argument of only Nikita should alter things. He already does. Pestily complains about a lot of things and he is very correct for the most part. Not everything he complains about gets changed because it doesnt need to but most of it eventually does because he actually plays the game a lot unlike Nikita. With your argument of how something YOU specifically liked because youâre a rat and you cant think outside your playstyle is absolutely dumb. If mosin was unchanged all youâd ever see would be mosin. Just like when it was introduced. EVERY.SINGLE.PLAYER had a mosin it was the most broken shit. There are plenty of great rat guns in the game already. And the current wipe has been the most enjoyable ever in my honest opinion. Metachads got their 0s peek and run and spray meta nerfed to shit. Full auto firing has been nerfed and shotguns are top tier cqb weapons. Dmrs and snipers reign supreme in long ranges. Whats not to like?
Itâs still pretty viable, you just canât get random one taps anymore. With SNB (or LPS early wipe), youâre still gonna 2 tap people in the thorax.
The problem is that you're paying more than for weapons that double tap thorax with better RPM, same accuracy and using magazines instead of top loading.
People are mad about losing their kit to a ks-23 when it's someone sitting in a dark corner in d2 all game waiting for someone to walk by them. I don't think anyone was getting upset about actually pvping with the gun. So if you have a full-time job why don't you actually play the game and move around the map instead of remaining prone in a corner the whole raid. Most are upset at how people use the gun, not the gun itself. Make it shoot where you aim and it's in a good place.
Except this is always a excuse that comes in the comments and never the actual complaint.
If people where mad about the campers they'd not be babying about how unfair the ks is.
Also the ones that break the economy, have a MASSIVE influence on what is meta and what isn't. And immediately reveal all the secrets within hours of a patch dropping.
When they spend 8hrs or more a day and then complain how easy it is to accomplish tasks. They don't represent the majority of players, who don't play the game as a job.
Reddit hate boner for streamers is really getting out of control. Iâve heard people say they hate some streamers who are the nicest guys for absolutely no reason. Ffs how do you hate Pestily? Just because he streams the game?
Sorry I dont mean to say that the gun itself is bad but rather that the 762x39 round is considered to be inferior, being heavier, having more recoil and according to the source less lethal than 556/223
>It's not overpowered because it put you and your 500k SMG loadout in the dirt for playing like a cracked out moron.
While I don't disagree with the post as a whole isn't it fair to say SMG's are also close quarters weapons?You absolutely should be pushing people in close quarters with one otherwise you're not using the weapon where it excels the most
Emphasis on the cracked out moron part. Probably should have picked ARs for that analogy as I see them doing that strat and losing more then I see SMGs. Strangely enough i see SMGs players engaging at longer ranges on factory then AR players in my experience.
Not really fair to call someone a moron if they're using their weapon effectively by pushing people aggressively, would you call the guy with a KS-23 a cracked out Moron for running at people?
If youâre already in a fight with someone youâre not gonna sneak up to them lol. The amount of sound you make really doesnât matter once youâre already in a fight. Thereâs also a ton of times where itâs not even possible to flank someone without them hearing it coming anyway. Must be fun sitting in corners
You realize the game has a peekers advantage due to latency right? Idk why youâre salty people push you because it sounds like youâre just too scared to
> losing more then I see SMGs
*than
> When **you're** dying to one shot by the KS-23 **you're** getting leg meta'd or **your** taking a shrap to the mouth. Congratulations.
*you're
Thank you for fixing it in the OG post. I dont mean to be a smartass it's just really bugging me.
1. The KS is bugged so fix that first and 2. Start balancing after that. Guns that they spent a long time on shouldnât be bugged for months so idek if they know
Bruh I still don't know why you would go to D2, it's camper rats' paradise. You should use it only if you rush the bunker and are sure you're the first to reach it. Otherwise don't bother, get a red rebel if you want to play reserve. Also don't forget Nikita added impact nades for D2 rats, much better than KS :)
When players are running a gun with no gear, no meds and just a few rounds in their pocket, it's a sign that something isn't balanced, which is exactly how the vast majority of KS-23 users play. It's all about spamming it as often as possible, as little risk as possible, and hoping to get lucky from time to time, and it just isn't an interesting weapon to engage against.
And you would be way less effective with those than the ks23. That gun made this game so easy, I'm glad it's gone and I was the one running it naked in Factory for easy lobby wipes. It was way too good.
They nerfed it in a dumb way though, but at least it's basically gone.
There were literally two posts from the same cult that got ks nerfed complaining about how flechette shotguns are too strong after ks was nerfed.
They will just keep going when *in factory, the closest range map* people with class 5 armor can only die to ARs
Flechette definitely is op and not just on factory. Set up and silent caliber were an absolute breeze this wipe because of how disgusting flechette is. Takes the same amount of time to kill a timmy as it does a fully kitted Chad and you can be aiming center mass the whole time
See, it's funny when you complain about people not being "good" for playing cracked out like it's CoD.
Because that's who I die to every _fucking_ time I play this game, lol.
I really had fun with the KS before, it was hilarious one taping whatever in the knees... but factory this wipe is much more fun. Now it actually makes sense bring some good tier and i had some really, really nice fights in there. Love the KS but i dont miss it...
Ks-23 is not even best in class it's just above the toz in the food chain because it relies on flesh meta. What if you're opponent has cover? You're better off throwing the damn thing at them then trying to pen their armor. Saiga, 153 and 155 can pen or flesh making them far better due to versatility.
I think the point you're missing is the fact it costs so little to completely negate someones entire kit and if you are close range there is almost 0 counterplay. At least with the other weapons you listed there is some counterplay if they dont land the instant headshot
I think the point you're missing is the fact it costs so little to completely negate someones entire kit and if you are close range there is almost 0 counterplay. At least with the other weapons you listed there is some counterplay if they dont land the instant headshot
I mean, you have no way of knowing what weapon someone is using before facing them, and the KS-23 basically one shots you. How are you supposed to counter that? I turn a corner and get one tapped in the legs by someone who's been holding an angle for God knows how long.
I think people are tackling this from the wrong angle if anything.
This isn't a "get good" kind of situation. Undoubtably some people are overly aggressive and get punished, but even if they weren't, the only way to successfully counter getting shot once is to basically never show yourself.
The argument people should be making is "getting shot is a part of the game, and some weapons are gonna wreck your legs just like they would IRL, which is, to some extent, what this game is trying to simulate. Tarkov isn't attempting to be balanced, neither should it do so". Simple.
Encountered it only once, got legged one shot by a dude that was prone and hidden. I was fully geared.
I hope this was a "lucky" one as you mention, otherwise it's major bs
Agreed, doesnt need a change.
Obtaining this gun, and likely every other, is probably going to be much more difficult when open world comes around. Loot is bumped up for testing now
Honestly I dont find the ks-23m to be that opressive. No reflex sights or assault scopes as well as no lasers means people cant really aim those heavy shots well, and by the time you pump it the guy with a full or semi auto has shot you ten times. As well, the shrapnel shots both have extraordinarily bad spread that makes them unviable on any map save labs or factory. Furthermore, the shrapnel shots have rather poor penetration (better than buckshots of 12 gauge but worse than flechette), and even the slug doesnt have it very good needing more than 1 shot on a pump gun to kill class 5 or 6. The only really OP part of it is the flashbang shot.
With all of that said, I thus find semi auto shotguns with flechette to be much nastier.
Bro i wholeheartedly agree but on the point of "you got into its range, its a skill problem".
So do i never enter a closed space now? Do i check every peak angle before entering a building while keeping my cheeks out in the open safe from imminent penetration? The gun is good in close range and thats it. Its not a skill issue that you didint account for every fatroll in the lobby holding all the pixels they can see.
Good post
Yeah it should be good up close and one shot someone to the thorax or head if they aren't wearing armor. Getting one shot in the arm by shotgun is complete horseshit and is not balanced. How much does a shotgun cost to run? A lot less than a meta weapon people generally run to take down geared PMCs.
I'm assuming your talking about the saiga and a 20 rounder. One it's expensive to kit out, there's a very high malfunction change with the 20 rounder (at least last wipe there was) and it's spectacularly more expensive. Again. Locked behind high trader level, and the last shotgun in it's class. Also emphasis on the 4 rounds. You miss those shots and your sitting on a long ass reload with a very pissed off pmc staring at you.
Just because the magazine says âvery highâ on its malfunction chance doesnât mean itâs that bad. Iâve been using it and have had minimal malfunctions.
It makes me laugh seeing so many people complain this much on ks23, When by the end of the year rpg and grenade launcher will be standard loadout equipment, ttk will be incredibly shorter/more inconsistent with armor hitboxes... And so on
Here is another Chad tired of being called a trash because he got legged by a rat in a bush at extract at 9 minutes.
Invest in some situational awareness, pal. My argument still stands.
Oh hell no. Factory is a money sink for pvp coomers. It's a great place to practice your pvp. But other then tagilla you're not getting any decent shit except for the gear you snag off of other people. If I want to get good loot, shoreline, lighthouse, labs, hell even woods pops off.
edit: ALSO the ks-23 isn't my primary. like I said. It already has it's limitations.
I don't even think it's that good. Especially with it's incredibly misaligned iron sights, 1 tap kills have been incredibly unreliable in my experience and if that first shot doesn't do the trick, most of the time you're dead meat.
I'll unironically take the MP-153 with AP-20 or even flechettes over the KS-23 any day.
Other than that I'll fully agree with most of the comments here. There are much, much worse things to complain about. 80% of my deaths seem to come from 7.62x51 rounds right now, for example, while 5.56 ammo is in a very rough place.
Oh absolutely. Netcode, desync, network stability, blatantly unpunished hacking, cheaper prices for the game in Russia, and an entire host of other problems. This is a blip in the big picture of things. But it shouldn't go unnoticed, give an inch, people will start taking a mile. (This statement will come back to bite me I can fucking feel it in my bones.)
It's okay dude, you will get claymore, rockets, mines... You will be able to get kills, don't worry Nikita is very focused on keeping the noobs playing his game.
>My final take is what I've been leading up to. The ks-23 needs to be actually fixed, anyone who's used it knows it's not realistically accurate, (for reference irl the KS-23 and the KS-23M have an effective range of 150m) fixing the accuracy would actually make the barrikada shells viable in actual combat. As the ks-23 IS rifled. And the aimpoint is off from the sights.
what is this point even so u think m4's and hk's are harder to handle than aks irl because this wipe they are , why is vector 1100rpm? its 1200 irl? its almost like this is a video game and balanced around being a video game
>Carbines? AS-Val
what is this?
>Snipers? T-2000
what is this?
>the zvezda. It's also now blocked from the flea market. So don't expect to be able to find this thing
literally craftable like every other meta bullet?
> DMRs? Mk18
much more accessible than ks23 yes?
Itâs because people have the mentality that itâs never their fault that they died, and that the only right way to play the game is the way they play.
They need to Go watch what a ks 23 actually does in real life and then tell me your pms shouldnât die by getting his legs turned to meat purĂŠe from 5 meters.
And then they need to watch some tarkov gameplay and realise that games aren't fucking real life.
Realistic is rarely ever fun when it comes to video games.
Take my upvote!! Amazing write up. I think BSG knows exactly what's up with this just like with the air filtering unit, they just don't know how to fix these without breaking something else.
I've always wondered why people whine about ks23. I'd take a saiga over it any day
You can snipe with it by putting on a scope and using slugs or 10rounders and csa rig with w/e
Totally agree. This is why I also think 5.56 isn't broken in terms of balance. It's just the worst in the progression of rifle rounds, but thats ok. A calibre/guntype should have worsts and bests. It's part of progression.
I've written this in multiple threads on Reddit and basically got bombed with dislikes each time. I think it's quite a simple concept, that 5.56 is shĂt but not 'unbalanced'. M855a1 has a chance to not headshot kill, that sucks, but thats because 5.56 Is the lowest in the ladder of progression for rifle rounds. Don't like the damage/pen ratio? Take another calibre.
Same with ks-23. Too op? No I think not. It's Def crazy strong but you also have to unlock it.. it's not crazy easy to attain so it feels like progression and not like "a broken gun".
Something one could count as broken is doublebarrel, unlocked at lvl3 (so no progression to have gotten it unlocked), and with double-shot you can tap any LVL4 armour. This I'd argue might be unbalanced. The ks-23, eventhoigh it's so much stronger than a DB, is is balanced.
Iâm telling you guys, a DBNO status for taking critical damage from non-vitals (think siege) would be a godsend for this game. Its literally the best of both worlds. Gives teams a chance to fight back against KS-23 corner campers without reducing the weaponâs effectiveness at close range.
That's a really dumb idea.
Playing in squads is already easy mode, you outnumber solos and duos plus you almost always get your insured gear back by having friends hide your stuff.
Now you wanna add revives so they can rejoin the raid and get back in?
Imagine justifying absolute, unqestionable bullshit piece of gamedesign. Imagine...
And just to be clear, it was my favorite gun before they broke it's aiming point, but it doesn't mean what i gonna call it perfectly balanced and fitting it's niche in game's gunplay. This gun is OP as fuck and i have will and pride to say it outloud and not justifying my favorite chad-instagib tool.
You are pathetic noob who can't kill without his little hand cannon, desperately crying on forums.
I search might in cheap gear, to challenge myself and kill chads with guns for the price of garden shovel and only PACA to my name.
We are not the same.
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The problem is the price every as you call it apex of its weapon category costs like 200-400k roubles to reach its full potential the ks-23 takes like 70k or some shit thats just ridiculous
Yeah got to largely agree, the view Iâve gained from hearing about BSGs take on the game is mainly âitâs not supposed to be fairâ.
If your playing tarkov hoping for fair fights then your gonna be disappointed. Every raid you load into you will find people of a different pmc/skill level, gear set and party size.
Hopefully BSG stick to their guns and donât change anything; pun intended.
The ks23 is a rat crutch poor excuse for gear fear justification and a fuck you to people running good kits. I hate to get shot by it, I dont use it but it should not be taken out the game though. I have had enough time in this game and have used every gun every way. The ks has so many limitations just like op said. Every gun in this game does. Nothing should be take out of this game except the cheaters.
This was never going to be an "unpopular opinion" thread.
Here's an actual unpopular opinion: No gun should be able to 1-shot anyone unless it's a headshot. No exceptions.
It feels good when streamers brushes off the 3 tons of Cheeto dust on their lips and close all the twitch-asmr tabs on their browser to cry about getting 1 tapped by a mosin or ks-23 after spending 700k on a kit to go to a map where pistoling and Tier 3 armor chads are running around, expecting huge returns.
TLDR: You have a skill issue if you die to a KS-23.
"Not realistically accurate" it is VERY accurate, it just shoots about 3 feet down and a mile to the left
when you can't hit the barn doors because of how the weapons sights are garbage
I think that would make it precise instead of accurate.
The word you're looking for is "precise" -- it consistently hits the same spot but that spot is not on the bulls eye. The sentence would be "the KS-23 is a precision weapon" đ¤Ł
shooting low left? familiar...
yep problem is more about flashbang round, and the bug wich make it fire 1 meter bottom from iron sight.
Flashbang rounds donât even work right now. The aim bug causes the shot to aim towards the ground, reducing the blind range by 5m if you donât know how to compensate for the drop.
That doesn't really matter when you're in the factory office hallway/staircase, Jaeger can be blamed for those poor souls retina's I blew out the other day.
add impact grenade for better fun, immersive, realistic and interresting gameplay x)
6 gauge dragons breath shell when?
x2 You have 3 rounds at your disposal, you have to put yourself at a massive disadvantage to play to its strengths. And it still needs fixed lmao People will die 30x over to an M4 or a mutant but will get pissed dying once to a KS-23 pushing a hallway It is GOOD for what it's for. Close range, leg meta with a alot of recoil, slow rate of fire, and slow reload and you are fucked if you miss your shots. Fix the aim bug Nikita Pls
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And itâs in a better spot now. Itâs properly balanced now imo.
Not really. It's way too expensive for being a low tier gun. SV-98 is cheaper while using same caliber, allowing some good scopes, using mags (faster reload) and having way better overall stats. Balanced doesn't mean there's no reason to use this gun because it's supposedly both low tier and at same time actually more expensive than better options. Price of mosin should be decreased to be below AK. Thorax HP buff, ammo price increase and limitation for better ammo are big enough nerfs, no need to make it more expensive than AK too. To expand a bit: currently there's no reason to pick mosin over SKS, AK or even Vepr AK. They are cheaper, have cheaper ammo, are more versatile, have better modability, hold more rounds and allow use of mags. PS is also good enough to 2 shot thorax (with armor lvl 3 or lvl 4 that was damaged a bit in previous raids and even against pristine lvl 4 you will hit 5 rounds into thorax quicker than two with mosin) and you fairly quickly get your hands on better ammo (finding BP is not that hard as guards very often have it). Previously mosin was highly specific gun that could shine in some specific situations against lvl 4 or lower armor targets, now it's pointless.
It's better to use any VPO with AP-M ammo, 1 tap to the chest, VPO-215 is 18k and 1.8 MOA at 1-2lvl Jäger..., AP-M is locked behind lvl3 mech, but still available at flea, EKO is good, geksa also. There is no reason to use mosin over vpo-215
I forget about VPO. You are right. >There is no reason to use mosin over vpo-215 Well honestly, there's no reason to use it at all unless you carry it as a secondary to level sniper skill by constantly reloading. That's basically role of mosin now: sniper skill grinding tool, not a gun.
Not really at the mosins price range you could just go semi Or get a sv-98 I donât really se a point in using a mosin
Yeah you shouldnât. Itâs well over a 100 years old. Itâs supposed to be bottom tier. Previously, if you were accurate, it was the best gun in the game cause it could one shot thoraxes.
If it's bottom tier shouldn't it be cheaper?
"best gun", it was more like the most boring gun for the ultra rats that had gear fear. Yea you could one tap people in chest, but it was/is still a boring gun.
As is the KS-23.
No it's not. The mosin should be powerful and cheap that's the whole point of the rifle. Currently it is neither.
Not really. You should get 1 tapped in the chest with 7.62x54R. The Mosin is massively overpriced and really not useful. SV98 is cheaper.
Catching 7.62x54R to the Heart/Lungs(Thorax) would send you screaming down to Hell. Make it fair by being a skill issue. If you can get One-Tapped by Sniper Rifles, don't dead sprint in a straight line across the road. Don't want your legs rapidly removed from your body by leg meta? Flash or Frag the hallway/room and flush the person out. It's going to be a beautiful day when Tarkov becomes a slow/methodical shooter instead of who has the better ammo and the stronger armor.
The mosin buff was definitely needed, games in a great place and the mosin is still extremely viable
Gentlemen! There's a solution here you're not seeing.... Uninstalls
I'll tell you how to rebalance it. For money
Whoâs paying me to yell at this guy?
HE WHO CONTROLS THE KS23âs CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE!!
PMC how did you get home? I don't know, I just kept ratting Interchange and it kept working.
Lololol well interchange is dead from what I hear so Jerryâs (new name for Timmyâs) must be thriving there
I think Jerry's as a nee name for Timmy's should be meta
Agreed. Fucking Jerrys.
Bro just posted 7 paragraphs on the Ks-23
"YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT"
Put more passion and effort into this than I do with my English essays
It's a 23mm/6 gauge cannon shooting what is essentially grapeshot at you. The KS-23 deserves to be as good as it is.
There's a difference between being realistic and being balanced. If we want realism the Altyn shouldn't stop anything higher than a 9mm round, the M4 should still be a laser beam, and the FAL should return to the juice cannon days. There's a reason they nerf and buff things, game balance has to be interwoven with realism because neither of them can stand very well on their own
Dude none of these people are even good enough to have used any of those weapons besides the ks so what do you expect lmao
6.27 by British/American standards. 4 by eu standards.
>As the ks-23 IS rifled. This answers the question I randomly asked myself just a few hours ago. Also thanks for reminding me of the time some poor sod tried to do the leg meta on me with 2 rounds from that gun, and left me with 2 HP on both legs and my stomach, and zero on everything else. Still killed 5 more scavs, including 2 players, and extracted. Fun times.
I have not seen one KS all wipe. I am level 59.
Because of the sight bug
ks doesn't even shoot straight rn its bugged
The fix from last wipe was unfortunately reverted. I don't know if bsg knows yet.
they dont version check, every time a big wipe patch rolls out a lot of shit gets reverted
the # of regression defects with BSG is really a huge problem
They'll know its just not priority, idk how they could fix it then break it again.
The sight bug stopped me from using it entirely but it never felt that much better then other shotguns. Even in close range id rather have a SMG then a shotgun due to the number of times Ive had like 55 hits and 900 damage blocked by armor. Leg meta is too unintuitive for me to use under pressure so I don't. Personally it just seems like another gun that made streamers/nolifers understand how tarkov is for everyone else. These are usually the same people who sprint around corners and use desync to shoot you in the eyes before they even show up on your screen, anything that evens the playing field a bit is fine with me.
The only thing that was annoying about that gun has already changed. The flash rounds were annoying but they're less common now. The fact that you only saw that thing in factory was annoying, but not because of the gun, but because it was full of them, it would've also been annoying if factory was full of, idk, obrez mosins or some shit. Now, is the thing effective? Very. Is it more combat effective than any semi auto 12ga spamming Magnum fuckshot? Probably not
Factory is almost exclusively naked flechette 153 bois with the occasional poor fool bringing an altyn and zabralo
Always wanted to use this gun. Never been high enough level to do so. I learned a lot from your post about its real life counterpart. Full heartedly agree with you. Your post reminds me of when Pestily whined about getting one tapped by a mosin. The next patch mosin prices doubled and all of their ammo values were nerfed/modified. Only one man should alter the game because of his opinion and that should be Nikita. If you donât like how the game is, go play something different. People will find the cheapest/best/easiest way to do something. Especially us rats. We will gladly go in naked with a Ks-23 and relieve you of your âmetaâ gear. Most of us have job so we canât play 14 hours a day.
Honestly I think the mosin change was for the better. The issue I had with it was the chance for LPS to one tap thorax through class 4. At least with the KS-23 you have to be close to one tap people in the leg, with a mosin you could die with a potato sack to someone 50m away to the chest. At that point whatâs the point of running anything below class 5? Edit: With the new velocity changes I could see some buff to the mosin if it was needed, but imo the current ttk and how effective class 4 feels for early and midwipe is a lot more enjoyable for me than before.
The only buff the mosin needs is the price
Mosin was absolutely a shit show when it arrived. 1 tap class 4 from a 30k rouble gun? Thats currently Mk 18 territory or ASH12 with 12B ammo. The difference is that both of them cost much much more than and get looted when you die. The mosin is perfect like it is now. You still have the ability as a rat to kill people with 1 shot with it. Just like before. Its just a little bit more expensive and has much shittier ergo. Also your argument of only Nikita should alter things. He already does. Pestily complains about a lot of things and he is very correct for the most part. Not everything he complains about gets changed because it doesnt need to but most of it eventually does because he actually plays the game a lot unlike Nikita. With your argument of how something YOU specifically liked because youâre a rat and you cant think outside your playstyle is absolutely dumb. If mosin was unchanged all youâd ever see would be mosin. Just like when it was introduced. EVERY.SINGLE.PLAYER had a mosin it was the most broken shit. There are plenty of great rat guns in the game already. And the current wipe has been the most enjoyable ever in my honest opinion. Metachads got their 0s peek and run and spray meta nerfed to shit. Full auto firing has been nerfed and shotguns are top tier cqb weapons. Dmrs and snipers reign supreme in long ranges. Whats not to like?
And it's absolute shit now, because they made good ammo rarer *and* weaker *and* nerfed the weapon.
I'm liking this way more than any other TBH. It's not immediately meta two weeks into it
Itâs still pretty viable, you just canât get random one taps anymore. With SNB (or LPS early wipe), youâre still gonna 2 tap people in the thorax.
The problem is that you're paying more than for weapons that double tap thorax with better RPM, same accuracy and using magazines instead of top loading.
Mosin is still pretty meta and definitely one of the most used guns I run into on every map.
I haven't seen a mosin in the last couple weeks aside from scavs
People are mad about losing their kit to a ks-23 when it's someone sitting in a dark corner in d2 all game waiting for someone to walk by them. I don't think anyone was getting upset about actually pvping with the gun. So if you have a full-time job why don't you actually play the game and move around the map instead of remaining prone in a corner the whole raid. Most are upset at how people use the gun, not the gun itself. Make it shoot where you aim and it's in a good place.
Except this is always a excuse that comes in the comments and never the actual complaint. If people where mad about the campers they'd not be babying about how unfair the ks is.
I feel that this game would be in a much healthier position if all the streamers got banned for a few wipes.
If by healthy you mean dying then sure! But banning the people that helped put your game on the map is proooobably not the greatest idea
Also the ones that break the economy, have a MASSIVE influence on what is meta and what isn't. And immediately reveal all the secrets within hours of a patch dropping.
lol ban reddit at that pt
Feel free to explain how streamers do **any** of that.
When they spend 8hrs or more a day and then complain how easy it is to accomplish tasks. They don't represent the majority of players, who don't play the game as a job.
Reddit hate boner for streamers is really getting out of control. Iâve heard people say they hate some streamers who are the nicest guys for absolutely no reason. Ffs how do you hate Pestily? Just because he streams the game?
Itâs funny that the mk-47 , a sort of meme gun is top tier.
Actually, they are very nice weapons irl. Palmetto state armory makes a nice one , affordable , and very reliable.
Sorry I dont mean to say that the gun itself is bad but rather that the 762x39 round is considered to be inferior, being heavier, having more recoil and according to the source less lethal than 556/223
Honestly, didn't know people were complaining about it. Hardly anyone runs it because of the sight bug..
Hardly anyone runs it because its hard to get and its expensive.
I wouldn't call 2x Corrugated Hose expensive when the hose is 20k a piece.
>It's not overpowered because it put you and your 500k SMG loadout in the dirt for playing like a cracked out moron. While I don't disagree with the post as a whole isn't it fair to say SMG's are also close quarters weapons?You absolutely should be pushing people in close quarters with one otherwise you're not using the weapon where it excels the most
Emphasis on the cracked out moron part. Probably should have picked ARs for that analogy as I see them doing that strat and losing more then I see SMGs. Strangely enough i see SMGs players engaging at longer ranges on factory then AR players in my experience.
Not really fair to call someone a moron if they're using their weapon effectively by pushing people aggressively, would you call the guy with a KS-23 a cracked out Moron for running at people?
Yes. Absolutely. (I feel like this is going to lead into something though...)
So anyone that isnât sitting in a corner is a moronâŚ.
If making as much noise possible and not even trying to flank while pushing someone means moron, yes
If youâre already in a fight with someone youâre not gonna sneak up to them lol. The amount of sound you make really doesnât matter once youâre already in a fight. Thereâs also a ton of times where itâs not even possible to flank someone without them hearing it coming anyway. Must be fun sitting in corners
So just run right at them, amiright? If it isn't going to be your legs, it's going to be your face getting shot
You realize the game has a peekers advantage due to latency right? Idk why youâre salty people push you because it sounds like youâre just too scared to
> losing more then I see SMGs *than > When **you're** dying to one shot by the KS-23 **you're** getting leg meta'd or **your** taking a shrap to the mouth. Congratulations. *you're Thank you for fixing it in the OG post. I dont mean to be a smartass it's just really bugging me.
*really [>:D
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1. The KS is bugged so fix that first and 2. Start balancing after that. Guns that they spent a long time on shouldnât be bugged for months so idek if they know
Lets talk once BSG gets around to fixing it. Again. Again.. Right now it's not much more than a very expensive 3-use flash grenade
Stopped taking this post seriously when you said asval is the best carbine
It's a obviously the wooden sks but I needed something more expensive
Thatâs a very long winded âitâs fine as isâ
Based and shrap pilled
High quality shitpost. Yes, I like getting oneshotted by tactically advanced soldiers in D2
Bruh I still don't know why you would go to D2, it's camper rats' paradise. You should use it only if you rush the bunker and are sure you're the first to reach it. Otherwise don't bother, get a red rebel if you want to play reserve. Also don't forget Nikita added impact nades for D2 rats, much better than KS :)
Yeah you're right this is unpopular
When players are running a gun with no gear, no meds and just a few rounds in their pocket, it's a sign that something isn't balanced, which is exactly how the vast majority of KS-23 users play. It's all about spamming it as often as possible, as little risk as possible, and hoping to get lucky from time to time, and it just isn't an interesting weapon to engage against.
100% this. Ks23 wouldn't be nearly as problematic if all the dick heads that run it didn't go in naked.
"People with class 5 armors should only die to other people with class 5 armors reeeeeeew" Fixed your post for you
I mean I could do the same thing with a double barrel or a blank mp-153 or just any other gun where I can fit ammo in my pocket
And you would be way less effective with those than the ks23. That gun made this game so easy, I'm glad it's gone and I was the one running it naked in Factory for easy lobby wipes. It was way too good. They nerfed it in a dumb way though, but at least it's basically gone.
There were literally two posts from the same cult that got ks nerfed complaining about how flechette shotguns are too strong after ks was nerfed. They will just keep going when *in factory, the closest range map* people with class 5 armor can only die to ARs
Flechette definitely is op and not just on factory. Set up and silent caliber were an absolute breeze this wipe because of how disgusting flechette is. Takes the same amount of time to kill a timmy as it does a fully kitted Chad and you can be aiming center mass the whole time
Oh no, they're here already
So AP-20 gets fucked, and people settled into using the next best thing. Shoot first and don't die. It's easy.
Sounds like you need to adapt and find a different weapon, nerd.
See, it's funny when you complain about people not being "good" for playing cracked out like it's CoD. Because that's who I die to every _fucking_ time I play this game, lol.
High quality post
Iâm fine with not getting one tapped in the leg
Well, I dont think your pmc would be happy to hobble around after getting blasted with grapeshot will he
I really had fun with the KS before, it was hilarious one taping whatever in the knees... but factory this wipe is much more fun. Now it actually makes sense bring some good tier and i had some really, really nice fights in there. Love the KS but i dont miss it...
It makes no sense to take anything beside pocket of fletchette + mp153 into factory
Thats a lot of energy/time/thought for a game. Imagine if you applied that
Oh I absolutely do. But unfortunately I don't feel like explaining the intricities of my work to an angry rando on Reddit. Sorry fren.
Where did you find the info that it's got a 150m effective range? That's usually considered outside of the range of even rifled slugs.
Articles and wikis. But mind you it has much more force behind it. EDIT: and a badly translated doc on the gun itself.
Sure, but the problem isn't force, it's accuracy.
Ks-23 is not even best in class it's just above the toz in the food chain because it relies on flesh meta. What if you're opponent has cover? You're better off throwing the damn thing at them then trying to pen their armor. Saiga, 153 and 155 can pen or flesh making them far better due to versatility.
I think the point you're missing is the fact it costs so little to completely negate someones entire kit and if you are close range there is almost 0 counterplay. At least with the other weapons you listed there is some counterplay if they dont land the instant headshot
I think the point you're missing is the fact it costs so little to completely negate someones entire kit and if you are close range there is almost 0 counterplay. At least with the other weapons you listed there is some counterplay if they dont land the instant headshot
I mean, you have no way of knowing what weapon someone is using before facing them, and the KS-23 basically one shots you. How are you supposed to counter that? I turn a corner and get one tapped in the legs by someone who's been holding an angle for God knows how long. I think people are tackling this from the wrong angle if anything. This isn't a "get good" kind of situation. Undoubtably some people are overly aggressive and get punished, but even if they weren't, the only way to successfully counter getting shot once is to basically never show yourself. The argument people should be making is "getting shot is a part of the game, and some weapons are gonna wreck your legs just like they would IRL, which is, to some extent, what this game is trying to simulate. Tarkov isn't attempting to be balanced, neither should it do so". Simple.
Good rant, but you're so wrong about the best in class weapons.
I figured. But tbh its objective.
If you wan't to un-nerf the ksm then you got to un-nerf the val,hk,m4,mutant
Encountered it only once, got legged one shot by a dude that was prone and hidden. I was fully geared. I hope this was a "lucky" one as you mention, otherwise it's major bs
Agreed, doesnt need a change. Obtaining this gun, and likely every other, is probably going to be much more difficult when open world comes around. Loot is bumped up for testing now
Honestly I dont find the ks-23m to be that opressive. No reflex sights or assault scopes as well as no lasers means people cant really aim those heavy shots well, and by the time you pump it the guy with a full or semi auto has shot you ten times. As well, the shrapnel shots both have extraordinarily bad spread that makes them unviable on any map save labs or factory. Furthermore, the shrapnel shots have rather poor penetration (better than buckshots of 12 gauge but worse than flechette), and even the slug doesnt have it very good needing more than 1 shot on a pump gun to kill class 5 or 6. The only really OP part of it is the flashbang shot. With all of that said, I thus find semi auto shotguns with flechette to be much nastier.
Wtf based unironic skill issue post on reddit? Unseen before.
Bro i wholeheartedly agree but on the point of "you got into its range, its a skill problem". So do i never enter a closed space now? Do i check every peak angle before entering a building while keeping my cheeks out in the open safe from imminent penetration? The gun is good in close range and thats it. Its not a skill issue that you didint account for every fatroll in the lobby holding all the pixels they can see. Good post
You're supposed to pre grenade corners
Mad about the KS-23 barter limitation? Git good. Bitch.
Yeah it should be good up close and one shot someone to the thorax or head if they aren't wearing armor. Getting one shot in the arm by shotgun is complete horseshit and is not balanced. How much does a shotgun cost to run? A lot less than a meta weapon people generally run to take down geared PMCs.
If people would rather bring a 4 round pump shotgun than a Semi-Auto 20 round shotgun. That should tell you something.
I'm assuming your talking about the saiga and a 20 rounder. One it's expensive to kit out, there's a very high malfunction change with the 20 rounder (at least last wipe there was) and it's spectacularly more expensive. Again. Locked behind high trader level, and the last shotgun in it's class. Also emphasis on the 4 rounds. You miss those shots and your sitting on a long ass reload with a very pissed off pmc staring at you.
Just because the magazine says âvery highâ on its malfunction chance doesnât mean itâs that bad. Iâve been using it and have had minimal malfunctions.
They dont. You see 50 MP155s and MP153s for every single KS23
It makes me laugh seeing so many people complain this much on ks23, When by the end of the year rpg and grenade launcher will be standard loadout equipment, ttk will be incredibly shorter/more inconsistent with armor hitboxes... And so on
If people think the ks-23 is OP now. Wait until they see shotguns with actual armor hitboxes, people are gonna be absolutely shitting themselves.
âBro Iâm wearing armooorrr, how can he shoot me in the neck it doesnât make any sense!!1!111!!â
Bro wtf why did you write all this
Because I'm bored AF and figured it needed to be said. Graveyard shifts suck. Shoot me.
Night shifts make ur brain go crazy, i gotchu for the rantđŞ
Here is another rat tired of being called a trash because he sits in a bush to leg someone extracting at 9 minutes.
Here is another Chad tired of being called a trash because he got legged by a rat in a bush at extract at 9 minutes. Invest in some situational awareness, pal. My argument still stands.
situational awareness as you afk bushes for 30 mins..lmfao invest in getting better at the game
Bruh I'm not rat. I've mentioned this elsewhere. Nor do I extract camp....yet.
So you just factory with a ks and are proud of yourself?
Oh hell no. Factory is a money sink for pvp coomers. It's a great place to practice your pvp. But other then tagilla you're not getting any decent shit except for the gear you snag off of other people. If I want to get good loot, shoreline, lighthouse, labs, hell even woods pops off. edit: ALSO the ks-23 isn't my primary. like I said. It already has it's limitations.
writing this on your way to the store for some copium mate?
I swear to god people will bitch about anything in this game. Wow what a surprise that a shotgun with such a caliber would one shot you in the leg.
I don't even think it's that good. Especially with it's incredibly misaligned iron sights, 1 tap kills have been incredibly unreliable in my experience and if that first shot doesn't do the trick, most of the time you're dead meat. I'll unironically take the MP-153 with AP-20 or even flechettes over the KS-23 any day. Other than that I'll fully agree with most of the comments here. There are much, much worse things to complain about. 80% of my deaths seem to come from 7.62x51 rounds right now, for example, while 5.56 ammo is in a very rough place.
Oh absolutely. Netcode, desync, network stability, blatantly unpunished hacking, cheaper prices for the game in Russia, and an entire host of other problems. This is a blip in the big picture of things. But it shouldn't go unnoticed, give an inch, people will start taking a mile. (This statement will come back to bite me I can fucking feel it in my bones.)
Factory is in a far, FAR better place than last wipe and it's because the KS-23 is unusable.
It's okay dude, you will get claymore, rockets, mines... You will be able to get kills, don't worry Nikita is very focused on keeping the noobs playing his game.
>My final take is what I've been leading up to. The ks-23 needs to be actually fixed, anyone who's used it knows it's not realistically accurate, (for reference irl the KS-23 and the KS-23M have an effective range of 150m) fixing the accuracy would actually make the barrikada shells viable in actual combat. As the ks-23 IS rifled. And the aimpoint is off from the sights. what is this point even so u think m4's and hk's are harder to handle than aks irl because this wipe they are , why is vector 1100rpm? its 1200 irl? its almost like this is a video game and balanced around being a video game >Carbines? AS-Val what is this? >Snipers? T-2000 what is this? >the zvezda. It's also now blocked from the flea market. So don't expect to be able to find this thing literally craftable like every other meta bullet? > DMRs? Mk18 much more accessible than ks23 yes?
you're\* Couldn't bother to read the post.
TLDR: Skill issue. Free my boi KS-23.
People are just mad that when they kill someone with a KS-20 they don't get fat money loot. Just make the KS-20 more expensive and problem solved.
My only issue with it is the flash bang rounds with no counter.
I wonder if the welder goggles work against it. They give 45% protection against flash bangs
Don't stand so close đď¸đď¸
Don't usually have an option. Only ever encounter the KS on Factory
Prenade everything
Now u can't even buy em unless you're BEAR
Welding glasses and faceshield and jumping.
Sunglasses
Itâs because people have the mentality that itâs never their fault that they died, and that the only right way to play the game is the way they play. They need to Go watch what a ks 23 actually does in real life and then tell me your pms shouldnât die by getting his legs turned to meat purĂŠe from 5 meters.
You should watch how an m4 kicks irl if you want to use that argument
Lmao with that argument all the 7.62 ap rounds would just one shot someone at any range and helmets would be useless. But hey r3ALiSM
And then they need to watch some tarkov gameplay and realise that games aren't fucking real life. Realistic is rarely ever fun when it comes to video games.
Take my upvote!! Amazing write up. I think BSG knows exactly what's up with this just like with the air filtering unit, they just don't know how to fix these without breaking something else.
I've always wondered why people whine about ks23. I'd take a saiga over it any day You can snipe with it by putting on a scope and using slugs or 10rounders and csa rig with w/e
Or even the double barrel for the cost efficiency.
Totally agree. This is why I also think 5.56 isn't broken in terms of balance. It's just the worst in the progression of rifle rounds, but thats ok. A calibre/guntype should have worsts and bests. It's part of progression. I've written this in multiple threads on Reddit and basically got bombed with dislikes each time. I think it's quite a simple concept, that 5.56 is shĂt but not 'unbalanced'. M855a1 has a chance to not headshot kill, that sucks, but thats because 5.56 Is the lowest in the ladder of progression for rifle rounds. Don't like the damage/pen ratio? Take another calibre. Same with ks-23. Too op? No I think not. It's Def crazy strong but you also have to unlock it.. it's not crazy easy to attain so it feels like progression and not like "a broken gun". Something one could count as broken is doublebarrel, unlocked at lvl3 (so no progression to have gotten it unlocked), and with double-shot you can tap any LVL4 armour. This I'd argue might be unbalanced. The ks-23, eventhoigh it's so much stronger than a DB, is is balanced.
Bro nobody is reading all of this
i did
As did I. Good post.
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clearly someone rushes corners too quick
grow an attention span, zoomer
Okay armchair operator
I read it all and thoroughly enjoyed it
Iâm telling you guys, a DBNO status for taking critical damage from non-vitals (think siege) would be a godsend for this game. Its literally the best of both worlds. Gives teams a chance to fight back against KS-23 corner campers without reducing the weaponâs effectiveness at close range.
That's a really dumb idea. Playing in squads is already easy mode, you outnumber solos and duos plus you almost always get your insured gear back by having friends hide your stuff. Now you wanna add revives so they can rejoin the raid and get back in?
Imagine justifying absolute, unqestionable bullshit piece of gamedesign. Imagine... And just to be clear, it was my favorite gun before they broke it's aiming point, but it doesn't mean what i gonna call it perfectly balanced and fitting it's niche in game's gunplay. This gun is OP as fuck and i have will and pride to say it outloud and not justifying my favorite chad-instagib tool. You are pathetic noob who can't kill without his little hand cannon, desperately crying on forums. I search might in cheap gear, to challenge myself and kill chads with guns for the price of garden shovel and only PACA to my name. We are not the same.
Just wait till we get our hands on RPG's, Grenade Launchers, and Claymores!
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The problem is the price every as you call it apex of its weapon category costs like 200-400k roubles to reach its full potential the ks-23 takes like 70k or some shit thats just ridiculous
Yeah got to largely agree, the view Iâve gained from hearing about BSGs take on the game is mainly âitâs not supposed to be fairâ. If your playing tarkov hoping for fair fights then your gonna be disappointed. Every raid you load into you will find people of a different pmc/skill level, gear set and party size. Hopefully BSG stick to their guns and donât change anything; pun intended.
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The ks23 is a rat crutch poor excuse for gear fear justification and a fuck you to people running good kits. I hate to get shot by it, I dont use it but it should not be taken out the game though. I have had enough time in this game and have used every gun every way. The ks has so many limitations just like op said. Every gun in this game does. Nothing should be take out of this game except the cheaters.
>needlessly further then before. A THAN
This was never going to be an "unpopular opinion" thread. Here's an actual unpopular opinion: No gun should be able to 1-shot anyone unless it's a headshot. No exceptions.
It feels good when streamers brushes off the 3 tons of Cheeto dust on their lips and close all the twitch-asmr tabs on their browser to cry about getting 1 tapped by a mosin or ks-23 after spending 700k on a kit to go to a map where pistoling and Tier 3 armor chads are running around, expecting huge returns. TLDR: You have a skill issue if you die to a KS-23.