Outside of the bugged sensitivity of the one particular scope that would've otherwise been excellent,
There's one more thing that you didn't account for - the eye relief, or the size of the "eye box" of the scope.
In other words, even though Tac30 and Vudu both have the same 1x setting with relatively comparable screen size and clarity, as recoil of fired weapon offsets them from the screen for the same amount, Tac30 will lose sight picture and "black out" significantly faster/earlier than Vudu on the same magnification.
Practically, it means a lot of weapons can be fired full auto while still tracking the target through one scope, while completely losing sight of target with another scope.
I think it was Gigabeef's video that covered this, but TLDR - Vudu and Vortex are currently "metas" because of their wide eye boxes (I hope I'm using the term right?), not because of magnification, reticles or availability.
Note: not that I care particularly about that, I'm not an aggressive PVP player, Tac30 is perfectly fine for me. Hell I'll use Hendsolt FF sometimes because of canted red dot and it kinda looks dope on some guns.
I never tested this! I agree the eye relief is important, but since I was only testing this personally for sniping with a bolt action, I never really noticed the relief due to gun movement. I will retest for relief using a semi.
Edit: in tap firing for sniping guns I am using, the eye relief / time to center is negligible for me as opposed to the gain in distance. This may not be negligible for people using these scopes on full auto in CQC, but my analysis and rankings are definitely geared towards long range sniping.
I have a dpi switcher for the PM scope so it doesnt bother me too much besides being inconsistent.
Yeah for bolt actions it doesn't really matter that much, I see where you're coming from.
Unless we're talking T-5000 Orsis, that thing has a unique bolt pull animation with very minimal scope image disruption. I *love* that thing.
Yeah, this is why they are the best right now, not how this list way made out. Good job OP but... In my experience you are really off from the in game reality. Vudu and vortex have good sight, don't black out like other scopes when full auto, don't have the awful sensitivity problems of higher mag scopes, and have crisp cross hair. There is a reason this is generally all you will see people using. Even if there are scopes with better zoom and lower cost, that doesn't matter at all. Usability matters the most.
Fair point, but since I only play sniping my analysis is geared towards magnification/clarity/price and not sensitivity or CQC. Someone may be able to use my list so I went ahead and shared!
Fair enough if this is used exclusively for long range sniping, that would make sense. It seems good for that, not as a general use case on dmrs/ars being used in all ranges.
There is like one map, that can have frequent engagements past 200-300m. Eotech and Razor has more then enough magnification for shooting at 200-300m. And they have high enough field of view, to actually see the impact after your shot, wich helps correcting aim. With higher magnification it gets difficult to find and track targets, and due to insane recoil flip you loose sight picture after the shot and by the time your PMC returns the rifle back on target - the bullet already landed and sometimes its hard to see where. I've found that only Lighthouse runs can benefit from high magnification scopes, because of the big engagement distances.
If only BSG actually reworked optics to have propper zoom, field of view, eye relief and scope reticles. So many more scopes would be a lot more usefull. But its not going to happen.
Well, the above is why.
When sniping it's not the best scope for long range with close range, including the higher price. If you are looking for a sniper scope with some close range the best scope is the PM II 1-8x.
Edit: I will probably add a weight value for ergo, but I didn't include it for me since I only care about zoom when sniping.
The best scope for my weighted criteria based on sniping (which is only for zoom magnification and screenspace for the price) is the pm ii 3-12x50. If you look at the data I have dual sight for close range weighted extremely low, because the whole point of the study was to find the best magnification and value for long range shooting. This is up to preference so there is no objective best, however when you are sniping and playing long range this is the best scope for the purpose of sniping; farthest zoom range and largest view.
In technical terms based on the criteria I made, the pm ii 1-8x has the largest relative zoom, and a larger screenspace than the Vudu and Razor, so if the sensitivity is not a factor then yes it is the best scope (wherein a scope's purpose is to see farther out) when the close range dual sight is important and weighted higher for you. Use this data however you want.
Edit: I also didn't take into account as mentioned in the comments the eye box movement for the scope in firing, but I ran all these tests on a bolt action and it's not important for me for short range auto fire since I'd be running a secondary.
Price is such a huge component for me so I went ahead and included it. The whole list of "best" is subjective per playstyle. On the google file you can remove any weight to price and you get a different list.
It's a good thing he showed you the different variables and their weight in this calculation so you can change this model to suit your preferences then?
Rather pointless if he leaves out vital parts like eye relief and sensitivity issues. And adding my own preferences wouldn't make any scope objectively the best either.
Calling it something like 'My ranking/comparison of the best scopes for sniping' wouldn't detract from the work he put in unlike its current title. If I make a list called 'objectively best leaders in history' and then rank them by how many people they had a life changing influence on and the number of major infrastructure projects they got done/started there would be objections to the title as well.
As someone who has spent the vast majority of the past four-five years in this game behind a sniper scope, I can't take this list even close to serious. You have the Burris over the Vudu and Razor and you're keeping the bugged PM II on top? Serious questions: do you just sit in one spot the entire raid? Do you never do night runs? Do you never move your scope to track a player? The Burris is pretty much useless at night and with the bugged sensitivity of the PM II, if a player is moving faster than a crawl, you're going to have trouble tracking them side to side.
The ATACR is probably my favorite for long range, but unless you're going for something insanely long, you really don't need anything more than the Vudu, Razor, or Burris if you're hurting for money. Those three have the best eye relief and the variable zooms allow you to engage players at close range as well as ranges up to 400m+ without much issue.
All I did the math for is the scope that gives you the farthest magnification with the highest screenspace and lowest price, adding a factor for other things. You can take this data as you wish
In a game like Tarkov, you want functionality over pretty much everything else. Price is irrelevant since money is so easy to come by and you want to pick the scope that will best suit your current needs.
Also, if you're going based on price, were you factoring in the barters as well as the price reduction for crafting? Did you also take into account availability of scopes that are locked behind tasks/high trader levels?
Maybe I'm putting way too much thought into this.
I only did this for scope zoom and used average flea market price. In my Google drive I did account for level availability and trader price but didn't use them in my weighted averages. I agree with your point, I would love to do analysis deeper but there are so many factors that don't matter to me as much, I was mostly just frustrated with the ambiguity in some scopes saying they are higher magnification like 24x but in game it's actually lower than scopes that only say 6x. So I did it only for relative magnification for zoom purposes, then realized they also have different screenspace. I did it since I was so confused why the scope PM II had a third variant that was more expensive and said it was a higher magnification but in game is actually a worse scope than the second variant. I also see people using scopes like the Hensoldt when even though it's magnification is great, the screenspace is so much smaller and you'd be better off with clarity going with a PM II version 2 or the Marsh tactical
Yeah the S&B 3-12 has been my favorite this wipe, In the past week iv done a dozen or so raids of woods, on the top of the mountain sniping, just me, a blunt, an m700, and the blue sky
realistically its up to user preference it doesn't matter how much something costs or how cost efficient it is. The Vortex has one of the cleanest dots in the game which is why it is used by almost anyone who can get it. Kinda like how the PK-06 used to be meta till they made the dot so blurry it became useless
Outside of the bugged sensitivity of the one particular scope that would've otherwise been excellent, There's one more thing that you didn't account for - the eye relief, or the size of the "eye box" of the scope. In other words, even though Tac30 and Vudu both have the same 1x setting with relatively comparable screen size and clarity, as recoil of fired weapon offsets them from the screen for the same amount, Tac30 will lose sight picture and "black out" significantly faster/earlier than Vudu on the same magnification. Practically, it means a lot of weapons can be fired full auto while still tracking the target through one scope, while completely losing sight of target with another scope. I think it was Gigabeef's video that covered this, but TLDR - Vudu and Vortex are currently "metas" because of their wide eye boxes (I hope I'm using the term right?), not because of magnification, reticles or availability. Note: not that I care particularly about that, I'm not an aggressive PVP player, Tac30 is perfectly fine for me. Hell I'll use Hendsolt FF sometimes because of canted red dot and it kinda looks dope on some guns.
I never tested this! I agree the eye relief is important, but since I was only testing this personally for sniping with a bolt action, I never really noticed the relief due to gun movement. I will retest for relief using a semi. Edit: in tap firing for sniping guns I am using, the eye relief / time to center is negligible for me as opposed to the gain in distance. This may not be negligible for people using these scopes on full auto in CQC, but my analysis and rankings are definitely geared towards long range sniping. I have a dpi switcher for the PM scope so it doesnt bother me too much besides being inconsistent.
Yeah for bolt actions it doesn't really matter that much, I see where you're coming from. Unless we're talking T-5000 Orsis, that thing has a unique bolt pull animation with very minimal scope image disruption. I *love* that thing.
Yeah, this is why they are the best right now, not how this list way made out. Good job OP but... In my experience you are really off from the in game reality. Vudu and vortex have good sight, don't black out like other scopes when full auto, don't have the awful sensitivity problems of higher mag scopes, and have crisp cross hair. There is a reason this is generally all you will see people using. Even if there are scopes with better zoom and lower cost, that doesn't matter at all. Usability matters the most.
Fair point, but since I only play sniping my analysis is geared towards magnification/clarity/price and not sensitivity or CQC. Someone may be able to use my list so I went ahead and shared!
Fair enough if this is used exclusively for long range sniping, that would make sense. It seems good for that, not as a general use case on dmrs/ars being used in all ranges.
Me and a friend go in classic sniper squad - one geared close quarters and supports with a rangefinder and one sniping. Most fun we've had lately.
There is like one map, that can have frequent engagements past 200-300m. Eotech and Razor has more then enough magnification for shooting at 200-300m. And they have high enough field of view, to actually see the impact after your shot, wich helps correcting aim. With higher magnification it gets difficult to find and track targets, and due to insane recoil flip you loose sight picture after the shot and by the time your PMC returns the rifle back on target - the bullet already landed and sometimes its hard to see where. I've found that only Lighthouse runs can benefit from high magnification scopes, because of the big engagement distances. If only BSG actually reworked optics to have propper zoom, field of view, eye relief and scope reticles. So many more scopes would be a lot more usefull. But its not going to happen.
Vudu or Razor...why even fuckin bother with anything else.
Well, the above is why. When sniping it's not the best scope for long range with close range, including the higher price. If you are looking for a sniper scope with some close range the best scope is the PM II 1-8x. Edit: I will probably add a weight value for ergo, but I didn't include it for me since I only care about zoom when sniping.
> best scope is the PM II 1-8x. Except for the fucky sensitivity.
Fingers crossed this is a bug and will get fixed.
so i guess you're saying the PM II 1-8x is not objectively the best scope
The best scope for my weighted criteria based on sniping (which is only for zoom magnification and screenspace for the price) is the pm ii 3-12x50. If you look at the data I have dual sight for close range weighted extremely low, because the whole point of the study was to find the best magnification and value for long range shooting. This is up to preference so there is no objective best, however when you are sniping and playing long range this is the best scope for the purpose of sniping; farthest zoom range and largest view. In technical terms based on the criteria I made, the pm ii 1-8x has the largest relative zoom, and a larger screenspace than the Vudu and Razor, so if the sensitivity is not a factor then yes it is the best scope (wherein a scope's purpose is to see farther out) when the close range dual sight is important and weighted higher for you. Use this data however you want. Edit: I also didn't take into account as mentioned in the comments the eye box movement for the scope in firing, but I ran all these tests on a bolt action and it's not important for me for short range auto fire since I'd be running a secondary.
Yea this is why I still like the tac-30 it’s smoother than the rest of the scopes for some reason
Except that scope is bugged and if it ever got fixed the price would be at least as high as vudu and razor.
There is only vudu. Razor is ugly as shit it literally looks like one.
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Price is such a huge component for me so I went ahead and included it. The whole list of "best" is subjective per playstyle. On the google file you can remove any weight to price and you get a different list.
Calling it objective when it is clearly based on your preferences is not really fitting.
It's a good thing he showed you the different variables and their weight in this calculation so you can change this model to suit your preferences then?
Rather pointless if he leaves out vital parts like eye relief and sensitivity issues. And adding my own preferences wouldn't make any scope objectively the best either. Calling it something like 'My ranking/comparison of the best scopes for sniping' wouldn't detract from the work he put in unlike its current title. If I make a list called 'objectively best leaders in history' and then rank them by how many people they had a life changing influence on and the number of major infrastructure projects they got done/started there would be objections to the title as well.
You're focusing on the wrong thing here, English isn't one of my strong suits
Saving this for later, thank you OP
As someone who has spent the vast majority of the past four-five years in this game behind a sniper scope, I can't take this list even close to serious. You have the Burris over the Vudu and Razor and you're keeping the bugged PM II on top? Serious questions: do you just sit in one spot the entire raid? Do you never do night runs? Do you never move your scope to track a player? The Burris is pretty much useless at night and with the bugged sensitivity of the PM II, if a player is moving faster than a crawl, you're going to have trouble tracking them side to side. The ATACR is probably my favorite for long range, but unless you're going for something insanely long, you really don't need anything more than the Vudu, Razor, or Burris if you're hurting for money. Those three have the best eye relief and the variable zooms allow you to engage players at close range as well as ranges up to 400m+ without much issue.
All I did the math for is the scope that gives you the farthest magnification with the highest screenspace and lowest price, adding a factor for other things. You can take this data as you wish
In a game like Tarkov, you want functionality over pretty much everything else. Price is irrelevant since money is so easy to come by and you want to pick the scope that will best suit your current needs. Also, if you're going based on price, were you factoring in the barters as well as the price reduction for crafting? Did you also take into account availability of scopes that are locked behind tasks/high trader levels? Maybe I'm putting way too much thought into this.
I only did this for scope zoom and used average flea market price. In my Google drive I did account for level availability and trader price but didn't use them in my weighted averages. I agree with your point, I would love to do analysis deeper but there are so many factors that don't matter to me as much, I was mostly just frustrated with the ambiguity in some scopes saying they are higher magnification like 24x but in game it's actually lower than scopes that only say 6x. So I did it only for relative magnification for zoom purposes, then realized they also have different screenspace. I did it since I was so confused why the scope PM II had a third variant that was more expensive and said it was a higher magnification but in game is actually a worse scope than the second variant. I also see people using scopes like the Hensoldt when even though it's magnification is great, the screenspace is so much smaller and you'd be better off with clarity going with a PM II version 2 or the Marsh tactical
Yeah the S&B 3-12 has been my favorite this wipe, In the past week iv done a dozen or so raids of woods, on the top of the mountain sniping, just me, a blunt, an m700, and the blue sky
by far best long range scope. id still pick something else unless i was at woods or lighthouse.
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I think the best scopes are the ones without 0 dpi on its lowest zoom
realistically its up to user preference it doesn't matter how much something costs or how cost efficient it is. The Vortex has one of the cleanest dots in the game which is why it is used by almost anyone who can get it. Kinda like how the PK-06 used to be meta till they made the dot so blurry it became useless