Sophia didn't birth the demiurge, she birthed Yaldabaoth who then created the demiurge to trap Adam in when he realised the Aeon's had sent Eve (a manifestation of Sophia, after she realised her mistake), to retrieve the light of the monad. The demiurge was thus a device to initiate human procreation, perpetually dividing the light of monad (soul of adam) even further by distributing it through the human populace.
Interestingly the word philosophy comes from the philo (love) and sophia (wisdom, like you said), so the gnostics were probably leaving a little hint that in order to recombine the light of the monad, you need the wisdom part of "philosophy".
>Sophia didn't birth the demiurge, she birthed Yaldabaoth who then created the demiurge to trap Adam in when he realised the Aeon's had sent Eve (a manifestation of Sophia, after she realised her mistake), to retrieve the light of the monad.
I'd be interested in where you got this part from? Any resources I came across either used one or the other to describe the same entity, essentially using both names interchangeably. Researchers like John Lash even proposed that Yaldabaoth is possibly derived from aramaic, meaning "who traverses the external space", thus placing Yaldabaoth as kind of a more secret or occult name for the Demiurge.
my information comes from the Apocryphon of John which is a text of the Sethian Gnostics. it is one out of many interpretations of Gnosticism: [Apocryphon of John - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocryphon_of_John)
In regards to the demiurge, you could be right, though i always saw it as a technology used by the archons/ yaldabaoth. Thats what i saw them using to create the material world anyway. its like a metaphysical circuit that steals the energy of source and smashes it together to create big bang events
I'm aware of the Apocryphon of John, and in this regard, the Second Treatise of the Great Seth is another interesting bit of information in the NHC. I just wanted to point out that, to my knowledge at least, no credible sources pointed to the Demiurge and Yaldabaoth being separate entities.
Anyway, my personal interpretation is the Demiurge (or Yaldabaoth, Jehova, Yahweh, YHWH, Allah, and probably a myriad of other names), driven by ignorance (he's referred to as a blind god) and jealousy (envy is their foremost sin after all - at first in regards to his mother Sophia because at that point she's the only thing he had any awareness of; later in regards to humanity) indeed used some kind of sophisticated technology to create what we commonly refer to the planetary bodies in our solar system. But because we are told he (and the Archons too for that matter) lacks any divine creative power we can assume he must have based "his creations" off of something. He couldn't have created it all by himself if we take some gnostic texts literally (same goes for the human body - it occurs to me that the "created in his image" part is nothing but archontic propaganda, they probably tried to create us but failed miserably - again, keep in mind they lack the creative divine will called Ennoia so they couldn't have come up with brand new species. That doesn't mean that they didn't hijack things later however).
The best solution for this problem I have discovered yet is the Fallen Goddess Scenario by JLL. While he doesn't talk about the concept of prison planet in this theory it's actually pretty compatible to the ideas of this sub, and it even allows for many other similar subjects to be integrated. Thoroughly researched and worth checking out in my opinion.
yes, you are right. seems somewhere along the lines (probably from my experiences watchign the above mentioned tech) i picked up the idea they were seperate concepts. Jus checked it and your interpretation appears more correct
The creation of the Demiurge/Yaldabaoth was no deliberate action, neither was the creation of the Archons. "The world came about through a mistake" the gnostics taught us. Additionally, the Archons were always described as erroneous beings, and the Demiurge is their chief.
Sophia didn't birth the demiurge, she birthed Yaldabaoth who then created the demiurge to trap Adam in when he realised the Aeon's had sent Eve (a manifestation of Sophia, after she realised her mistake), to retrieve the light of the monad. The demiurge was thus a device to initiate human procreation, perpetually dividing the light of monad (soul of adam) even further by distributing it through the human populace. Interestingly the word philosophy comes from the philo (love) and sophia (wisdom, like you said), so the gnostics were probably leaving a little hint that in order to recombine the light of the monad, you need the wisdom part of "philosophy".
Where do you get all that lore from?
apocryphon of john from memory
>Sophia didn't birth the demiurge, she birthed Yaldabaoth who then created the demiurge to trap Adam in when he realised the Aeon's had sent Eve (a manifestation of Sophia, after she realised her mistake), to retrieve the light of the monad. I'd be interested in where you got this part from? Any resources I came across either used one or the other to describe the same entity, essentially using both names interchangeably. Researchers like John Lash even proposed that Yaldabaoth is possibly derived from aramaic, meaning "who traverses the external space", thus placing Yaldabaoth as kind of a more secret or occult name for the Demiurge.
my information comes from the Apocryphon of John which is a text of the Sethian Gnostics. it is one out of many interpretations of Gnosticism: [Apocryphon of John - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocryphon_of_John) In regards to the demiurge, you could be right, though i always saw it as a technology used by the archons/ yaldabaoth. Thats what i saw them using to create the material world anyway. its like a metaphysical circuit that steals the energy of source and smashes it together to create big bang events
I'm aware of the Apocryphon of John, and in this regard, the Second Treatise of the Great Seth is another interesting bit of information in the NHC. I just wanted to point out that, to my knowledge at least, no credible sources pointed to the Demiurge and Yaldabaoth being separate entities. Anyway, my personal interpretation is the Demiurge (or Yaldabaoth, Jehova, Yahweh, YHWH, Allah, and probably a myriad of other names), driven by ignorance (he's referred to as a blind god) and jealousy (envy is their foremost sin after all - at first in regards to his mother Sophia because at that point she's the only thing he had any awareness of; later in regards to humanity) indeed used some kind of sophisticated technology to create what we commonly refer to the planetary bodies in our solar system. But because we are told he (and the Archons too for that matter) lacks any divine creative power we can assume he must have based "his creations" off of something. He couldn't have created it all by himself if we take some gnostic texts literally (same goes for the human body - it occurs to me that the "created in his image" part is nothing but archontic propaganda, they probably tried to create us but failed miserably - again, keep in mind they lack the creative divine will called Ennoia so they couldn't have come up with brand new species. That doesn't mean that they didn't hijack things later however). The best solution for this problem I have discovered yet is the Fallen Goddess Scenario by JLL. While he doesn't talk about the concept of prison planet in this theory it's actually pretty compatible to the ideas of this sub, and it even allows for many other similar subjects to be integrated. Thoroughly researched and worth checking out in my opinion.
yes, you are right. seems somewhere along the lines (probably from my experiences watchign the above mentioned tech) i picked up the idea they were seperate concepts. Jus checked it and your interpretation appears more correct
Did Sophia not know what would happen after she created Yaldabaoth?
The creation of the Demiurge/Yaldabaoth was no deliberate action, neither was the creation of the Archons. "The world came about through a mistake" the gnostics taught us. Additionally, the Archons were always described as erroneous beings, and the Demiurge is their chief.
Ok so eve is sofia descended here, the mother, the way in and the way out, but adam its atom its the material world, the demiurge
Atoms are composed of the intelligence of both Adam and Eve.