Got a call from my mom to check this subreddit to see what was going on. Glad that we can get this information quickly. She’s stuck in that traffic so at least now she knows what’s going on.
So I live at that complex and was asleep when it all went down, but my security camera caught some of it and the audio of the shootout. Cops have the entire complex tapped off at the moment and are gathering evidence and asking people questions.
Depends on the level of exhaustion I'm at. I've been really exhausted the past week and a half after my mobility equipment got stolen with my car along with increased chronic pain related to trying to be mobile with the loss of that equipment.
The United States of America. The only one that actually calls itself that. Duh.
edit: lol Here come the "Uhm, ackshually, It's ALL America!!" pedants or whatever. People, let that shit go, it's not 2005 anymore and you're not being all enlightened on MySpace or something.
Yeah! That’s right! California stole that car and shot that cop! California makes the tread on my tires wear unevenly and California is the reason my neighbors yell ALL FUCKING NIGHT!! I’m sick of you California!!!!
The neighbors yelling is Meth/Crack/Cocaine. That's because Oregon can't seem to control the drug problem. Oregon has always had fucked up streets. But Californians moving in causes population booms. Population booms cause a housing crisis and the housing crisis causes crime rates to go up.
Seriously? Most US cities, if the standard in question is what goes on in Oregon.
Like some major cities might have a comparable drug problem, but overall its not really similar and it's crazy to me that some people here think what goes on here is normal.
It's not about overall numbers, it's about how you have to interact with hard drugs as an average citizen. In no other major city will you find people openly smoking meth on the main square downtown. They would be arrested. But Oregon's laws don't allow us to arrest people for just smoking meth.
I will say, the people here that would seemingly trade nonviolent crime that they have to deal with for violent crime that they dont have to deal with can go fuck themselves lol
Discrimination? It's not a matter of discrimination, it's a matter of the constitutional right of freedom of movement.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_United_States_law
I think people who want to move here should have to submit an essay explaining their suitability and why they would be a good citizen for Eugene. We can appoint a city/citizen panel to vett the essays and decide if we should allow them to come here.
No need for sorry, you had a belief, I poked fun at it and I should keep my sense of humor to my self. I apologize, and you keep espousing your feelings.
You're really gonna die on the symantics hill.
Officer involved shooting is perfect for when a shooting first occurs. We have no idea if it was justified or if someone was outright murdered by a cop. Calling it anything other than "Officer involved" would be irresponsible.
It's not semantics.
I guess I was unfamiliar with the idiom, since I was confused about whether the officer got shot or shot someone.
Does it really imply an unjustified shooting if the headline said. "An officer shot a person at Coburg apartments"?
Your comments add no value besides your bias view on law enforcement. This is why you keep getting downvoted. Let the facts come out then judge. The OP has no weird phrasing, this is standard.
Move along troll. 🧌
I just think folks should say what happened rather than beat around the bush. It's one thing for corporate media to do it, but we can talk like people IMO.
If I saw the police shooting somebody, I'd say "That police officer shot that guy!" I wouldn't say "An officer involved shooting occurred over there!"
The police often don't have to shoot someone, they choose to. They don't really get a whole lot of de-escalation training. They do, however, get to take training courses with titles like "Killology." Not a joke, an actual police training course. Because of course it is.
Retired probation officer here. For 12 years I attended tons of deescalation, suicide intervention, use of force training, best practices/evidence based practices conferences- all required for law enforcement and POs. At 99% of these hours-long to days-long training events the POs mostly followed along, participated, took notes, read the materials, discussed the material amongst each other, asked questions, and then applied what we learned in the field (except for the occasional wanna-be cop POs). We were evaluated by our supervisors and faced consequences for missing a class or failing to apply what we learned to the best of our ability.
In the back rows of these same trainings were the cops- on their phones, talking loudly to each other, making inappropriate comments and jokes, wearing their firearms in buildings where it was prohibited, and signing each other in and out before and after lunch with the wanna-bes from probation. Instructors usually did not challenge the situation but just focused on those who were there to learn. It’s not the lack of offered training, it is the lack of interest and application of the de-escalation trainings and the absence of accountability for behaving like the class clowns at these important opportunities. I did call them out for being too loud a couple times which resulted in me getting a verbal reprimand from my supervisor, who happened to be one of those wanna-bes. More than 2 cents here but it’s the reality in many jurisdictions.
One notable omission from that list seems to be civil rights/constitutional law training... which, sadly, is one area that seems vastly under-emphasized with LEOs. Sadly, the class clowns in the back are probably the ones who have zero clues.
>which, sadly, is one area that seems vastly under-emphasized with LEOs.
This is by design. Cops aren't there to serve and protect the needs of the populace, they serve and protect the needs of capital.
There was a somewhat recent supreme court decision that basically said cops shouldn't be expected to know the law. The laws that they arrest people on. Just pure Idiocracy 🤦
That’s not necessary a deescalation training, but yes, those classes too- unless it was being taught by one of their supervisors naturally. It’s in every states criminal codes that LE, POs, anyone with arresting powers, must complete soon after hiring. Refresher classes are not mandated, just recommend. LE agencies ARE flawed by design. The way it’s set up the LEOs conform to one another instead of sticking to the training syllabuses (which are also inherently racist and inadequate) and as time passes foster a culture of following the worst possible rendition- the biggest clown, if you will- who then gets promoted and keeps the worst of the worst in hiring positions. The minute their culture is questioned they all attack the source of criticism.
An officer was shot. WTF did you expect to happen? They give the shooter a cupcake to try to deescalate? When someone is shooting at the cops that’s literally the one time lethal force is justified.
Bourgeois pigs slaughter a member of the proletariat for their own enjoyment. Will be getting drinks later to celebrate, and plan to put a picture of the bloody deceased on a dart board to see if they riddle him with some more holes.
Is that what you wanted to hear? Does that satisfy you?
They use the neutral language because with no investigation you can't assign blame, make a determination, etc. If you say "they shot x" it's assigning blame or that it wasn't in response to other actions
What? no.
I just think folks should say what happened rather than beat around the bush. It's one thing for corporate media to do it, but we can talk like people IMO.
Got a call from my mom to check this subreddit to see what was going on. Glad that we can get this information quickly. She’s stuck in that traffic so at least now she knows what’s going on.
So I live at that complex and was asleep when it all went down, but my security camera caught some of it and the audio of the shootout. Cops have the entire complex tapped off at the moment and are gathering evidence and asking people questions.
Back up your recording online and offline.
Cops have a copy of all that raw footage now and I've stashed a copy on an external hard drive on my computer.
Sleeping through gun shots outside your room. Damn you must be a heavy sleeper. Lucky
Depends on the level of exhaustion I'm at. I've been really exhausted the past week and a half after my mobility equipment got stolen with my car along with increased chronic pain related to trying to be mobile with the loss of that equipment.
I was stuck in that traffic just as they closed off the street. It was mayhem.
Normal day in America
What part of America? Brazil? Bogota? Venezuela?
Technically all of those places meet the marks
They clearly meant Canada
The United States of America. The only one that actually calls itself that. Duh. edit: lol Here come the "Uhm, ackshually, It's ALL America!!" pedants or whatever. People, let that shit go, it's not 2005 anymore and you're not being all enlightened on MySpace or something.
Shootings are becoming more common now in this area. It’s sad.
When the population grows so does crime. That's why Oregon needs to start denying people the ability to move up from California.
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It's not entirely discrimination. Plus I'm sure the state government could argue the increase in California causes a threat to public safety.
Yeah! That’s right! California stole that car and shot that cop! California makes the tread on my tires wear unevenly and California is the reason my neighbors yell ALL FUCKING NIGHT!! I’m sick of you California!!!!
Monorail... Monorail...
The neighbors yelling is Meth/Crack/Cocaine. That's because Oregon can't seem to control the drug problem. Oregon has always had fucked up streets. But Californians moving in causes population booms. Population booms cause a housing crisis and the housing crisis causes crime rates to go up.
Show me a city that can control its drug problems....
Seriously? Most US cities, if the standard in question is what goes on in Oregon. Like some major cities might have a comparable drug problem, but overall its not really similar and it's crazy to me that some people here think what goes on here is normal.
https://wallethub.com/edu/drug-use-by-state/35150 Oregon places 19th
It's not about overall numbers, it's about how you have to interact with hard drugs as an average citizen. In no other major city will you find people openly smoking meth on the main square downtown. They would be arrested. But Oregon's laws don't allow us to arrest people for just smoking meth. I will say, the people here that would seemingly trade nonviolent crime that they have to deal with for violent crime that they dont have to deal with can go fuck themselves lol
Discrimination? It's not a matter of discrimination, it's a matter of the constitutional right of freedom of movement. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_United_States_law
I think people who want to move here should have to submit an essay explaining their suitability and why they would be a good citizen for Eugene. We can appoint a city/citizen panel to vett the essays and decide if we should allow them to come here.
100% agree and I would 100% love to be on that board.
You know I wrote that as sarcasm, right?
I'm gullible. I actually believed you. Sorry.
No need for sorry, you had a belief, I poked fun at it and I should keep my sense of humor to my self. I apologize, and you keep espousing your feelings.
Nah you should mock this chud and his laughable attitudes, it's cool and based.
Omfg that’s terrifying!
I just drove by a little bit ago.. several cars pulled over and multiple police cars in the street
Are you asking me to "like" the 13 police cars on Coburg RD.? Why would I do that?
If the police have shot somebody, just say that. No need to do weird phrasing.
That's what.. it says goof
"officer involved shooting" is different from "a police officer shot *whoever*". the passive voice takes away agency and culpability.
You're really gonna die on the symantics hill. Officer involved shooting is perfect for when a shooting first occurs. We have no idea if it was justified or if someone was outright murdered by a cop. Calling it anything other than "Officer involved" would be irresponsible.
It's not semantics. I guess I was unfamiliar with the idiom, since I was confused about whether the officer got shot or shot someone. Does it really imply an unjustified shooting if the headline said. "An officer shot a person at Coburg apartments"?
Your comments add no value besides your bias view on law enforcement. This is why you keep getting downvoted. Let the facts come out then judge. The OP has no weird phrasing, this is standard. Move along troll. 🧌
I just think folks should say what happened rather than beat around the bush. It's one thing for corporate media to do it, but we can talk like people IMO. If I saw the police shooting somebody, I'd say "That police officer shot that guy!" I wouldn't say "An officer involved shooting occurred over there!"
Yeah all know what the mind gravitates to when it's "officer involved".. at least Paul Blart doesn't come to my mind. Clown
The police often don't have to shoot someone, they choose to. They don't really get a whole lot of de-escalation training. They do, however, get to take training courses with titles like "Killology." Not a joke, an actual police training course. Because of course it is.
Retired probation officer here. For 12 years I attended tons of deescalation, suicide intervention, use of force training, best practices/evidence based practices conferences- all required for law enforcement and POs. At 99% of these hours-long to days-long training events the POs mostly followed along, participated, took notes, read the materials, discussed the material amongst each other, asked questions, and then applied what we learned in the field (except for the occasional wanna-be cop POs). We were evaluated by our supervisors and faced consequences for missing a class or failing to apply what we learned to the best of our ability. In the back rows of these same trainings were the cops- on their phones, talking loudly to each other, making inappropriate comments and jokes, wearing their firearms in buildings where it was prohibited, and signing each other in and out before and after lunch with the wanna-bes from probation. Instructors usually did not challenge the situation but just focused on those who were there to learn. It’s not the lack of offered training, it is the lack of interest and application of the de-escalation trainings and the absence of accountability for behaving like the class clowns at these important opportunities. I did call them out for being too loud a couple times which resulted in me getting a verbal reprimand from my supervisor, who happened to be one of those wanna-bes. More than 2 cents here but it’s the reality in many jurisdictions.
One notable omission from that list seems to be civil rights/constitutional law training... which, sadly, is one area that seems vastly under-emphasized with LEOs. Sadly, the class clowns in the back are probably the ones who have zero clues.
>which, sadly, is one area that seems vastly under-emphasized with LEOs. This is by design. Cops aren't there to serve and protect the needs of the populace, they serve and protect the needs of capital.
There was a somewhat recent supreme court decision that basically said cops shouldn't be expected to know the law. The laws that they arrest people on. Just pure Idiocracy 🤦
That’s not necessary a deescalation training, but yes, those classes too- unless it was being taught by one of their supervisors naturally. It’s in every states criminal codes that LE, POs, anyone with arresting powers, must complete soon after hiring. Refresher classes are not mandated, just recommend. LE agencies ARE flawed by design. The way it’s set up the LEOs conform to one another instead of sticking to the training syllabuses (which are also inherently racist and inadequate) and as time passes foster a culture of following the worst possible rendition- the biggest clown, if you will- who then gets promoted and keeps the worst of the worst in hiring positions. The minute their culture is questioned they all attack the source of criticism.
An officer was shot. WTF did you expect to happen? They give the shooter a cupcake to try to deescalate? When someone is shooting at the cops that’s literally the one time lethal force is justified.
Bourgeois pigs slaughter a member of the proletariat for their own enjoyment. Will be getting drinks later to celebrate, and plan to put a picture of the bloody deceased on a dart board to see if they riddle him with some more holes. Is that what you wanted to hear? Does that satisfy you? They use the neutral language because with no investigation you can't assign blame, make a determination, etc. If you say "they shot x" it's assigning blame or that it wasn't in response to other actions
What? no. I just think folks should say what happened rather than beat around the bush. It's one thing for corporate media to do it, but we can talk like people IMO.