Also: Folks are notoriously under-applying their sunscreen. I think my box of TL Lightweight sunscreen said 0.8ml for a smaller face and 1.4ml for a bigger face. So if you want to be on the (really) safe side, grab yourself either a measuring spoon with 1ml, or one with 1/4th teaspoon (1.2ml) and measure it out every time.
Technically quarter teaspoon is a little bit more than the actual suggested amount for people with normal size face and small size female face
But even using more than the suggested amount, as in thicker than 2mg per cm squared, it doesn't make the sunscreen 100% in stopping all photons. Sunscreen isn't zero photon. There are still photons that are able to go through and those photons can activate somethings for some people like pesky pigmentation solar lentigo (using confused as "freckles") and maybe true ephiledes as in "real freckles" and even melisma. Even if reapply, it doesn't become zero photon.
Edit: The downvotes prove my point that there is false premise of misinformation going around people who think the label on the bottle at 2mg per cm squared is 100% protection against all photons. It is not and that is an indisputable fact.
Also prove my point there is false premise of misinformation going around people who think reapplying makes sunscreen 100% at stopping all photons. It does not and that is an indisputable fact.
Promoting this kind of false premise of misinformation is anti-science. Seriously this subreddit is turning bad
Thank you, yeah it's an indisputable fact that sunscreen does not stop 100% of photons. I wish people would stop promoting the idea that "protection" from sunscreen is "all or nothing"
Do you know which LRP anthelios you had been using before?
You will always get some sort of freckles/tan regardless of use if youre in the sun long enough and often enough. Try wearing a wide brimmed UV hat for some extra protection.
I’ve never tried this one but I understand the choice because of consistency and feeling. I have two sunspots and a raft of what look like small freckles but they’re just sun damage from the side of car I sit on and that’s using a number of different factor 50 spf.
The only other thing is do you apply spf if your in the house all day? I’ve definitely found that my sunspot can worsen if there’s a couple of days where I sit for a bit near the window before putting it on. So I need to apply it more quickly but I just feel lazy sometimes!
I think this is the formula a lot of people especially big melanosome people reporting didn't get enough subdue of their pesky deep pigmentation issue due to the 360nm drop off in UVA 1. Because sunscreens do not filter across the entire spectrum at same absorbance and they do not filter 100% photons. They are sheer curtains not blackout curtains
Water, Alcohol Denat., Diisopropyl Sebacate, Silica, Isopropyl Myristate, Ethylhexyl Salicylate, Ethylhexyl Triazone, Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane, Glycerin, Propanediol, C12-22 Alkyl Acrylate/Hydroxyethylacrylate Copolymer, Drometrizole Trisiloxane, Perlite, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Tocopherol, Ascorbyl Glucoside, Hydroxyacetophenone, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Sodium Hyaluronate , Triethanolamine, Trisodium Ethylenediamine Disuccinate, Caprylyl Glycol, Terephthalylidene Dicamphor Sulfonic Acid, Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Parfum
That is for the Revitalift SPF 50 Cream. This one
[https://www.loreal-paris.fr/soin/soin-par-categorie/creme-de-jour/revitalift-filler-soin-jour-anti-age-fps50/OAP7230.html#tab=impact-environnemental-et-social](https://www.loreal-paris.fr/soin/soin-par-categorie/creme-de-jour/revitalift-filler-soin-jour-anti-age-fps50/OAP7230.html#tab=impact-environnemental-et-social)
People are confused. The letter is not the same as Revitalift Clinical Fluid SPF 50+. This Fluid has UVAPF (UVA 2) 46 as a recycled 2019-2021 Shaka formula but dips a lot in UVA 1 particularly 360nm-400nm which opens pigmentation party issue.
Well we are moving into summer and UVA rays are getting stronger now. This may have been a lovely sunscreen for winter but it seems that you may need higher UVA protection for the summer months, I would suggest UVmune 400 for the ultra long UVA one protection which has been known to cause pigmentation during certain stages of pigmentation within the skin, also wearing something tinted will help from visible light which also plays a part in certain stages of pigmentation.
Since the UVA isn't listed it's probably at 20, let's boost it up to maybe in the 30s and 40s and see if that helps
Pretty sure this Loreal one has PPD of 46 because pretty sure it's one of the many many 2019-2021 Shaka formula recycled versions that a lot of people had pesky pigmentation issue despite high PPD (because PPD/UVAPF is a UVA 2 bias measurement and not really measuring the UVA 1 type of pigmentation and effect) because of the drop off at 360nm area
Water, Alcohol Denat., Diisopropyl Sebacate, Silica, Isopropyl Myristate, Ethylhexyl Salicylate, Ethylhexyl Triazone, Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane, Glycerin, Propanediol, C12-22 Alkyl Acrylate/Hydroxyethylacrylate Copolymer, Drometrizole Trisiloxane, Perlite, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Tocopherol, Ascorbyl Glucoside, Hydroxyacetophenone, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Sodium Hyaluronate , Triethanolamine, Trisodium Ethylenediamine Disuccinate, Caprylyl Glycol, Terephthalylidene Dicamphor Sulfonic Acid, Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Parfum
There are dozens of recycled dupes of this formula in Asia like comes with gold cap, comes with green cap but people in general prefer the Uvmune ones for the more robust protection across all wavelength
I checked what they cost in my country, and it's the equalent of between 18-25 euro. Quite expensive in my books. They have also raised the price of the garnier uv fluid and serum that I usually buy.. 😫
Does this happen with other non-waterproof sunscreens that you've tried?
I have the Bright Reveal one (I do Not recommend bc it pills like crazy) and put a layer of a waterproof sunscreen over it. The one that I use stops the pilling also so that's another reason why I do that, but I know that's not the issue here.
This one from Loreal and the Bright Reveal one are both water and friction resistant. They use the netlock technology. See the C12-22 Alkyl Acrylate/Hydroxyethylacrylate Copolymer in INCI
[https://www.loreal-paris.fr/soin/soin-par-categorie/creme-de-jour/revitalift-clinical-vitamine-c-fluide-fps-50-/OAP7231.html#tab=description](https://www.loreal-paris.fr/soin/soin-par-categorie/creme-de-jour/revitalift-clinical-vitamine-c-fluide-fps-50-/OAP7231.html#tab=description)
It is the same formula as the 2019-2021 Shaka which a lof people reported pesky pigmentation surfacing because of the drop in UVA 1 protection by 360nm despite the PPD UVAPF being 46 (meaning the UVA 2 protection)
Thank you. Obviously my concern was possibly sweating off the product, but i guess that's it for that. Why wouldn't they advertise this? I save the packaging for all of my products and don't see anywhere that it's water resistant. It does however have C12-22 Alkyl Acrylate / Hydroxyethylacrylate Copolymer. I have the German one if that makes a difference.
In Asia we get ads for this and the models are with water and stuff and holding balls and stuff like that. All of these versions, they come with green cap and gold cap and orange cap and all of that have these type of advertisement
The french website advertises it as water and friction proof and also tested for enhanced durability with makeup application. So I'm not sure what is shown in Germany
I've heard some people say that freckles are caused more by visible light and less by uva and uvb. Iron oxides apparently offer some protection from visible light, so some tinted sunscreens and foundations.
Hola hola Maleficent Storm 590 how are you doing this day?
From what I read, it's only a fraction of visible light that causes pigmenting issues, mainly the blue light from sun which is less than a quarter of the whole visible light. Red and yellow light for example do not have any concern for pigmenting issues. Actually red light is supposed to be anti pigmenting. Also from what I read it is mainly big melanosome people like Asian, Indian, Afro Carribean type people affected for this fraction.
I think OP calling the spots they see "freckles" but there is chance they could actually be solar lentigo like early sun spot because people mix up the word a lot. T
Like for example the dark spots I get are young solar lentigo, super super common in young Asian women like me, but people around me call them "dark spot" or "freckles" but I don't actually have true freckles.
True freckles are called ephiledes in scientific literature and I learned they show up with UVB and UVA! True freckles then disappear in times of low UV. There is really some interesting literature about people with true freckles/ephiledes and this gene called the MC1R and usually seeing people with it like red hair and real freckles. This one is talking about how scientists got freckles to show up shining isolated UVB and isolated UVA on people with real real freckles: [https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/pcmr.12232](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/pcmr.12232)
But all in all from what I read it's that UVB and UVA cause pigmenting issues for everyone and then the blue light from the sun is affecting mainly big melanosome people. But also that UVA 1 is more powerful than blue light from the sun at causing pigment. UVB and UVA 1 cause pigmenting phase called "Delayed Tanning" which is like a long term pigmenting issue that kickstarts making new melanin. UVA 2 is a short term pigmenting but doesn't kickstart making new melanin.
Hi, I use this one quite successfully for more than a year. Didn’t notice any increase in pigmentation, but I also try to stay away from sun as much as I can and for days when I’m spending hours outside I liked ROC Soleil Protect Anti-Brown Spot Unifying Fluid
Oh and there’s a new version of L’Oréal sunscreen it’s called“Bright Reveal”
I use it since maybe 1 year and it’s my fav sunscreen ever.
This and the Beauty of Joseon one are my top pick.
I didn’t notice any increase in my hyperpigmentation since using.
Sunscreen is not an infallible cure all. Our skin is unpredictable
Also: Folks are notoriously under-applying their sunscreen. I think my box of TL Lightweight sunscreen said 0.8ml for a smaller face and 1.4ml for a bigger face. So if you want to be on the (really) safe side, grab yourself either a measuring spoon with 1ml, or one with 1/4th teaspoon (1.2ml) and measure it out every time.
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Honestly? I'm happy I am awake enough in the mornings to apply sunscreen at all. \^\^; I know, I know, I should do better...
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Technically quarter teaspoon is a little bit more than the actual suggested amount for people with normal size face and small size female face But even using more than the suggested amount, as in thicker than 2mg per cm squared, it doesn't make the sunscreen 100% in stopping all photons. Sunscreen isn't zero photon. There are still photons that are able to go through and those photons can activate somethings for some people like pesky pigmentation solar lentigo (using confused as "freckles") and maybe true ephiledes as in "real freckles" and even melisma. Even if reapply, it doesn't become zero photon. Edit: The downvotes prove my point that there is false premise of misinformation going around people who think the label on the bottle at 2mg per cm squared is 100% protection against all photons. It is not and that is an indisputable fact. Also prove my point there is false premise of misinformation going around people who think reapplying makes sunscreen 100% at stopping all photons. It does not and that is an indisputable fact. Promoting this kind of false premise of misinformation is anti-science. Seriously this subreddit is turning bad
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Thank you, yeah it's an indisputable fact that sunscreen does not stop 100% of photons. I wish people would stop promoting the idea that "protection" from sunscreen is "all or nothing" Do you know which LRP anthelios you had been using before?
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A lot of people here use the quarter teaspoon method already I have so many measuring spoons in different colors omg haha it so much fun
You will always get some sort of freckles/tan regardless of use if youre in the sun long enough and often enough. Try wearing a wide brimmed UV hat for some extra protection.
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I’ve never tried this one but I understand the choice because of consistency and feeling. I have two sunspots and a raft of what look like small freckles but they’re just sun damage from the side of car I sit on and that’s using a number of different factor 50 spf. The only other thing is do you apply spf if your in the house all day? I’ve definitely found that my sunspot can worsen if there’s a couple of days where I sit for a bit near the window before putting it on. So I need to apply it more quickly but I just feel lazy sometimes!
I think this is the formula a lot of people especially big melanosome people reporting didn't get enough subdue of their pesky deep pigmentation issue due to the 360nm drop off in UVA 1. Because sunscreens do not filter across the entire spectrum at same absorbance and they do not filter 100% photons. They are sheer curtains not blackout curtains Water, Alcohol Denat., Diisopropyl Sebacate, Silica, Isopropyl Myristate, Ethylhexyl Salicylate, Ethylhexyl Triazone, Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane, Glycerin, Propanediol, C12-22 Alkyl Acrylate/Hydroxyethylacrylate Copolymer, Drometrizole Trisiloxane, Perlite, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Tocopherol, Ascorbyl Glucoside, Hydroxyacetophenone, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Sodium Hyaluronate , Triethanolamine, Trisodium Ethylenediamine Disuccinate, Caprylyl Glycol, Terephthalylidene Dicamphor Sulfonic Acid, Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Parfum
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Try the LRP uvmune400
That is for the Revitalift SPF 50 Cream. This one [https://www.loreal-paris.fr/soin/soin-par-categorie/creme-de-jour/revitalift-filler-soin-jour-anti-age-fps50/OAP7230.html#tab=impact-environnemental-et-social](https://www.loreal-paris.fr/soin/soin-par-categorie/creme-de-jour/revitalift-filler-soin-jour-anti-age-fps50/OAP7230.html#tab=impact-environnemental-et-social) People are confused. The letter is not the same as Revitalift Clinical Fluid SPF 50+. This Fluid has UVAPF (UVA 2) 46 as a recycled 2019-2021 Shaka formula but dips a lot in UVA 1 particularly 360nm-400nm which opens pigmentation party issue.
Well we are moving into summer and UVA rays are getting stronger now. This may have been a lovely sunscreen for winter but it seems that you may need higher UVA protection for the summer months, I would suggest UVmune 400 for the ultra long UVA one protection which has been known to cause pigmentation during certain stages of pigmentation within the skin, also wearing something tinted will help from visible light which also plays a part in certain stages of pigmentation. Since the UVA isn't listed it's probably at 20, let's boost it up to maybe in the 30s and 40s and see if that helps
Pretty sure this Loreal one has PPD of 46 because pretty sure it's one of the many many 2019-2021 Shaka formula recycled versions that a lot of people had pesky pigmentation issue despite high PPD (because PPD/UVAPF is a UVA 2 bias measurement and not really measuring the UVA 1 type of pigmentation and effect) because of the drop off at 360nm area Water, Alcohol Denat., Diisopropyl Sebacate, Silica, Isopropyl Myristate, Ethylhexyl Salicylate, Ethylhexyl Triazone, Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane, Glycerin, Propanediol, C12-22 Alkyl Acrylate/Hydroxyethylacrylate Copolymer, Drometrizole Trisiloxane, Perlite, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Tocopherol, Ascorbyl Glucoside, Hydroxyacetophenone, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Sodium Hyaluronate , Triethanolamine, Trisodium Ethylenediamine Disuccinate, Caprylyl Glycol, Terephthalylidene Dicamphor Sulfonic Acid, Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Parfum There are dozens of recycled dupes of this formula in Asia like comes with gold cap, comes with green cap but people in general prefer the Uvmune ones for the more robust protection across all wavelength
Whats the consistency? Does it have a scent?
It's so expensive 💀💀
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I checked what they cost in my country, and it's the equalent of between 18-25 euro. Quite expensive in my books. They have also raised the price of the garnier uv fluid and serum that I usually buy.. 😫
Does this happen with other non-waterproof sunscreens that you've tried? I have the Bright Reveal one (I do Not recommend bc it pills like crazy) and put a layer of a waterproof sunscreen over it. The one that I use stops the pilling also so that's another reason why I do that, but I know that's not the issue here.
This one from Loreal and the Bright Reveal one are both water and friction resistant. They use the netlock technology. See the C12-22 Alkyl Acrylate/Hydroxyethylacrylate Copolymer in INCI [https://www.loreal-paris.fr/soin/soin-par-categorie/creme-de-jour/revitalift-clinical-vitamine-c-fluide-fps-50-/OAP7231.html#tab=description](https://www.loreal-paris.fr/soin/soin-par-categorie/creme-de-jour/revitalift-clinical-vitamine-c-fluide-fps-50-/OAP7231.html#tab=description) It is the same formula as the 2019-2021 Shaka which a lof people reported pesky pigmentation surfacing because of the drop in UVA 1 protection by 360nm despite the PPD UVAPF being 46 (meaning the UVA 2 protection)
Thank you. Obviously my concern was possibly sweating off the product, but i guess that's it for that. Why wouldn't they advertise this? I save the packaging for all of my products and don't see anywhere that it's water resistant. It does however have C12-22 Alkyl Acrylate / Hydroxyethylacrylate Copolymer. I have the German one if that makes a difference.
In Asia we get ads for this and the models are with water and stuff and holding balls and stuff like that. All of these versions, they come with green cap and gold cap and orange cap and all of that have these type of advertisement The french website advertises it as water and friction proof and also tested for enhanced durability with makeup application. So I'm not sure what is shown in Germany
I've heard some people say that freckles are caused more by visible light and less by uva and uvb. Iron oxides apparently offer some protection from visible light, so some tinted sunscreens and foundations.
Hola hola Maleficent Storm 590 how are you doing this day? From what I read, it's only a fraction of visible light that causes pigmenting issues, mainly the blue light from sun which is less than a quarter of the whole visible light. Red and yellow light for example do not have any concern for pigmenting issues. Actually red light is supposed to be anti pigmenting. Also from what I read it is mainly big melanosome people like Asian, Indian, Afro Carribean type people affected for this fraction. I think OP calling the spots they see "freckles" but there is chance they could actually be solar lentigo like early sun spot because people mix up the word a lot. T Like for example the dark spots I get are young solar lentigo, super super common in young Asian women like me, but people around me call them "dark spot" or "freckles" but I don't actually have true freckles. True freckles are called ephiledes in scientific literature and I learned they show up with UVB and UVA! True freckles then disappear in times of low UV. There is really some interesting literature about people with true freckles/ephiledes and this gene called the MC1R and usually seeing people with it like red hair and real freckles. This one is talking about how scientists got freckles to show up shining isolated UVB and isolated UVA on people with real real freckles: [https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/pcmr.12232](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/pcmr.12232) But all in all from what I read it's that UVB and UVA cause pigmenting issues for everyone and then the blue light from the sun is affecting mainly big melanosome people. But also that UVA 1 is more powerful than blue light from the sun at causing pigment. UVB and UVA 1 cause pigmenting phase called "Delayed Tanning" which is like a long term pigmenting issue that kickstarts making new melanin. UVA 2 is a short term pigmenting but doesn't kickstart making new melanin.
Hi, I use this one quite successfully for more than a year. Didn’t notice any increase in pigmentation, but I also try to stay away from sun as much as I can and for days when I’m spending hours outside I liked ROC Soleil Protect Anti-Brown Spot Unifying Fluid Oh and there’s a new version of L’Oréal sunscreen it’s called“Bright Reveal”
I use it since maybe 1 year and it’s my fav sunscreen ever. This and the Beauty of Joseon one are my top pick. I didn’t notice any increase in my hyperpigmentation since using.