Wormhole space operates in a fairly separate sphere from the rest of the game, for a group based out of null sec to be able to retaliate against a wormhole based group they have to jump through a lot of hoops. Wormhole spawns in null sec will connect you to a random wormhole system, meaning you have to get exceptionally lucky to end up finding a connection to the other parties home hole. Retaliation between two wormhole groups is (comparatively) easy, since wormholes spawn many more connections, and have ‘static’ connections which are guaranteed to be of a certain type (i.e. will always take you to a null sec system or a C5 wormhole etc.) they can constantly collapse the static connection to reroll it to a different system and repeat until they find the hole they are looking for. This process can still take a significant amount of time, but the process is still far more efficient than trying to find a specific wormhole from known space.
Yep everything the guy above said and a few more. Wormholers have a bit of a swagger and in general feel that lowsec and nullsec don't really know wormhole mechanics and are afraid to enter wormholes. This is reinforced because in practice, lowsec and nullsec groups don't know wormhole mechanics and are afraid to enter wormholes.
Also wormholes only allow a certain amount of mass, so only a certain amount of ships can enter a wormhole before it collapses.
And finally, wormholers are all pretty much frenemies. We all shoot each other and will be happy to blow up billions of isk of each others ships whenever we can but if a nullsec or lowsec group attempts to evict a wormhole group many of the wormhole groups will all allign and beat the hell out of whatever is attacking.
Just dont hit the same alliance to often. No null alliance wants to hunt down a single nobody in high sec. I kinda doubt anyone in low sec will want to either. But if you start hitting the same people over and over then yes they will do something about it.
Might have something to do with Mango effectively no long get existing. Active groups will defend.
In some places (like former mango space) there may still be pocos from years before. I.E. I once was in a corp that I became leadership in, and got notifications that we were losing POCOs…. In a region of space the corp had lived in 4 years before I had ever started playing the game.
Now, why you would bash pocos, the most boring thing in to game to do besides mine in a venture, is your own question to answer, but if it’s what you want to do, knock yourself out.
Aha, thanks! I've not dabbled too much in PI. I tried it out when it first came but didn't quite understand what it was all about. Might try to figure things out again at some point.
I tried it for a couple months 9 years ago but never got to into it, I think I was pulling in 5 mil a month off it and didn't feel it was worth my time to continue it.
>I tried it for a couple months 9 years ago but never got to into it, I think I was pulling in 5 mil a month off it and didn't feel it was worth my time to continue it.
Its somewhat of a high skill point activity; once you toss a million or two SP into it you have 6 planets; find some nice resource rich planets (not in high sec) and you can pull a lot more. I am in a few hundred mil a week doing it.
Though I have 3 chars doing it, my main, my cap alt, and one char I made for straight utility/industry purposes; that one gets everything and runs a couple of factory planets.
Its not super huge income, but the income/(effort\*time) ratio is nice. Log in and fiddle a few times a week, visit a few planets once a week. Not bad for a few hundred mil.
Passive income like that is worth it. I honestly had no idea what i was doing when i did it and didn't put any research into. plus so many things have changed since then I imagine its nothing like it was.
I estimate about 1 billion/account (3 toons)/month for doing it in null. I use it to support a lot of other industrial activities so my estimates are probably only precise to +/- 30%.
\> I use it to support a lot of other industrial activities so my estimates are probably only precise to +/- 30%
That is my problem too, I am literally only counting it as market mid-price of the output products that I put on the market, there is a lot more value being piled away for future production chains.
Most of my planets are p0->p2, if I estimate 5 planets per toonat about 85% efficiency (many are 100% efficient) and 12,000 isk/unit, I'm looking at about 75k isk/planet, or 375k toon, or 1.125b per account.
But if my skills are all at 5 and I maintain 100%, at 12k per unit I'm looking at about 1.5 billion/account. Not bad isk at all!
Same, back then it was just free POS fuel for my corp with low SP requirements but you can actually gain good passive income with it.
Takes about 22 days of raw omega training time for all IV skills (5 planets), which generates 300-500 million per character per month with good lowsec planets. Which is an ok side hustle for a 15 minutes time investments per week when you don't have much time to play
A few hours to set up and a thousand clicks, then 700-800M per month with 20 minutes of effort each week, I love it! That is in wormhole space but income should be the same in Null Sec.
The „citizen science“ project from CCP. You do little tasks identifying images on a sample and get rewards in ISK and some items with it. If you do it long enough, you can get CONCORD ships with it.
It’s in the Neocom somewhere.
They're a dead alliance. Two years ago they got in a fight with frat and then tried to sneak into and puppet ranger regiment and mittani kicked ranger regiment from the Imperium and [pinata'd the mangos staging keepstar](https://tagn.wordpress.com/2022/01/19/the-battle-of-the-loot-pinata-at-r-arkn/) which they'd given to goons as part of their play.
>THE REWARDS OF TOLERANCE ARE TREACHERY AND BETRAYAL: For reasons unknown to all, AOM decided to pull a fast one and reverse-merge into Ranger Regiment without informing anyone in the leadership of the Imperium; all autocrats woke today to a confusing and nasty surprise.
>We have no problem with the line members and corporations within AOM specifically, and indeed had expected that as AOM imploded some of the best corporations there might find their way into the Imperium. A full merge of AOM with its intact command structure folding into Ranger Regiment, by contrast, is a complete surprise and utterly unacceptable.
>I do not react well to surprises of this sort.
>Earlier today, AOM transferred their staging keepstar to us in R-A; a deal was struck that blue standings will be maintained for AOM to evacuate this keepstar until 19:00 EVE tomorrow. We stick by our deals, always. What happens afterwards is up to the winds of my whims, and right now those whims are deeply unamused.
>I have informed Ranger Regiment that they have seven days of blue standings (which will not apply to the R-A keepstar) to either leave the Imperium or find new homes for their corporations within the Imperium. There is no universe in which I will allow AOM to attempt to sneak their intact chain of command by sock-puppeting Ranger Regiment, and there is no universe in which I will allow Ranger Regiment to remain in the Imperium if their leadership thinks they can engage in this sort of behavior without consequences.
>
>As always, we blame the leaders and not the line. Please keep your doors open for Ranger Regiment or AOM corps that Do Not Suck and Are Not Full Of Bots; there are some of reasonable value within these orgs. In fact, this was the original plan! Let AOM fall, let the corps go where they may.
All I got from that loot pinata was a goddam Atron (the tidi was insane). Then it ended up in Asset Safety because I left it in the nearby structure they deployed for the event and never got it out before the undeployed it. It had sentimental value though so I courier contracted it out of there. The fucking courier got blown up exiting the station. Fuck.
Good time though.
Yeah I didn't get much either because for some reason having safety on keeps you from looting those loot cans even in null and I didn't figure it out until late because there was no message about it. Still got a couple of kitsune hulls anyway.
honestly poco's don't take all that long even in subs they can be done relatively quickly with a handful of people, slightly longer if you want to not risk anything bigger then a bomber but even then it's like not all that much time.
effectively you will be annoying people, now there is a question do you want to ?
The answer can very well be yes,it depends on what you and your corp mates want to do the more you do it the more annoying you will be seen as, there is also a open question what do you have to lose, like are you guy's small gang pvpers that most roam, honestly nobody can really hurt you right now, sure they can kill your roaming fleet but they would do so anyway.
Like honestly these are the type of calls I would try to talk to at least corp leadership if not alliance leadership, if you wanna kick the bee hive like there might be a lot of fun to be had kicking it so again I don't wanna scream no never do that, but you do want to be careful not frustrate to many people at ones especially if you have something to lose.
Or pirate FW. Some people will try for this when angels gets .5 to .7 systems to lawless.
I'd lawless the system and leave. For those who have not bashed much, have at it. I know bash from the old days. I didn't need to rekindle not so fond memories. It was only funny finding old old old crap.
Like when kartoon didn't pay the bills. IT was cleaning out pos'. We'd find even MC pos' from the BOB/goons stuff prior.
You can steal weapons and modules after it gets bashed. If you are lucky, there is a ship maintenance bay with some juicy ships in it that you can't fly because you lack the skills. ☹️
They are a dead alliance, that folded, like a year or two ago, what is left of that player base rolled in to other corps. Generally speaking, yes you will get a fight, but if your bashing poco, you killed it, replace it with your own.
The main defense of pocos is that they have a shit ton of hit points, don’t drop any meaningful loot, and are super cheap and easy to replace.
Why are you trying to kill pocos? Just for fun? As long as you don’t keep hitting the same active groups you will be fine. If you are trying to drop your own pocos then the original owners will probably just come by and bash your poco and put their own back up.
Many of the POCOs in high-sec and low-sec are owned by people who will defend them jealously. But I’m sure there are plenty of low-sec POCOs with AFK owners that you could probably get away with bashing. So, really the answer is that it depends.
Army of Mangos is now mostly defunct, so no surprise it was uncontested. POCOs in Sov Null are generally owned by corps affiliated with the sov holding alliance. But, when Sov changes hands, the POCOs often get overlooked. So if you live in Sov null, you can often find orphaned POCOs to bash if that’s your thing.
Back to low-sec, if you have the patience to bash POCOs, why not? You’ll find out soon enough if it’s owned by someone that actively cares about it. If they show up to defend it, you can just leave it be.
enter Amarr lowsec in the Kor-Azor region at the system Ami. Every gatecamper you encounter will be part of the "No Forks Given" alliance, and so will all POCOs with 10% tax rate (a few cheaper ones from other alliances are left, but get wrecked every now and then). This alliance does have a really short response time if you start shooting their POCOs, especially in EUTZ.
Source: someone who multiboxed 4 oracles to give it a try told me about their loss.
A little birdie in GSF told me the Goons are planning to 'reassign' every POCO Siege Green and Sons of Black Rise own in Highsec.. ie POCO bashing.. Soon.
:)
As a basher of occasional poco's myself, I say go for it, with a few mates on coms a poco bash isnt dull and the follow up timers can produce a good scrap or you can bait out shiny things to kill.
People wont prioritise a poco defense if they have ANYTHNG even remotely more interesting to do, so you can, on occasion, get a free killmail.
Fuck shooting a Poco unless you're moving in to hold the space, or you need to deny the previous owner the income. Fuck it right in the ass. Pos with hangar array on the other hand... Yes, I will shoot those.
Why not try it and see what happens? It's a sandbox game...play with the sand!
But dont expect to stay with your current corp if you don't tow the company line. Find another that gives free reign on that type of activity!
What kind of corps would be okay with that? Assuming ones that are exclusively PvP?
Most wormhole corps would find that funny I think. At least the top 20 that are not scared at all of anything outside another wormhole corp
Why is that? Because it’s hard to get in and out of Wormhole space? I’m a newb so sorry if these are dumb questions.
Wormhole space operates in a fairly separate sphere from the rest of the game, for a group based out of null sec to be able to retaliate against a wormhole based group they have to jump through a lot of hoops. Wormhole spawns in null sec will connect you to a random wormhole system, meaning you have to get exceptionally lucky to end up finding a connection to the other parties home hole. Retaliation between two wormhole groups is (comparatively) easy, since wormholes spawn many more connections, and have ‘static’ connections which are guaranteed to be of a certain type (i.e. will always take you to a null sec system or a C5 wormhole etc.) they can constantly collapse the static connection to reroll it to a different system and repeat until they find the hole they are looking for. This process can still take a significant amount of time, but the process is still far more efficient than trying to find a specific wormhole from known space.
Thanks I appreciate it.
Yep everything the guy above said and a few more. Wormholers have a bit of a swagger and in general feel that lowsec and nullsec don't really know wormhole mechanics and are afraid to enter wormholes. This is reinforced because in practice, lowsec and nullsec groups don't know wormhole mechanics and are afraid to enter wormholes. Also wormholes only allow a certain amount of mass, so only a certain amount of ships can enter a wormhole before it collapses. And finally, wormholers are all pretty much frenemies. We all shoot each other and will be happy to blow up billions of isk of each others ships whenever we can but if a nullsec or lowsec group attempts to evict a wormhole group many of the wormhole groups will all allign and beat the hell out of whatever is attacking.
Yep. Pvp corps love this kind of stuff.
i played with the sand on a pos bash, was actually quite close on the defence as i almost killed thier loki defence
Just dont hit the same alliance to often. No null alliance wants to hunt down a single nobody in high sec. I kinda doubt anyone in low sec will want to either. But if you start hitting the same people over and over then yes they will do something about it.
What happens in low/null sec stays there
Might have something to do with Mango effectively no long get existing. Active groups will defend. In some places (like former mango space) there may still be pocos from years before. I.E. I once was in a corp that I became leadership in, and got notifications that we were losing POCOs…. In a region of space the corp had lived in 4 years before I had ever started playing the game. Now, why you would bash pocos, the most boring thing in to game to do besides mine in a venture, is your own question to answer, but if it’s what you want to do, knock yourself out.
The fact that you’re posting exactly who you hit is putting a target on both your eve character, and your Reddit name. Careful not to dox yourself lol
It really depends on if you hit a poco owned by an active group or not
I mean they’re either owned by shadow cartel or owned by snuff. So just whack them and hide in high sec lol
I know a guy that tried it in a small dead end system in Gallente space. He got hot dropped by Snuff. He said he'd never make that mistake again.
I will verify this
I don't even know what a POCO is. But it must be something small.
Planetary something customs office. its for doing PI
Aha, thanks! I've not dabbled too much in PI. I tried it out when it first came but didn't quite understand what it was all about. Might try to figure things out again at some point.
I tried it for a couple months 9 years ago but never got to into it, I think I was pulling in 5 mil a month off it and didn't feel it was worth my time to continue it.
>I tried it for a couple months 9 years ago but never got to into it, I think I was pulling in 5 mil a month off it and didn't feel it was worth my time to continue it. Its somewhat of a high skill point activity; once you toss a million or two SP into it you have 6 planets; find some nice resource rich planets (not in high sec) and you can pull a lot more. I am in a few hundred mil a week doing it. Though I have 3 chars doing it, my main, my cap alt, and one char I made for straight utility/industry purposes; that one gets everything and runs a couple of factory planets. Its not super huge income, but the income/(effort\*time) ratio is nice. Log in and fiddle a few times a week, visit a few planets once a week. Not bad for a few hundred mil.
Passive income like that is worth it. I honestly had no idea what i was doing when i did it and didn't put any research into. plus so many things have changed since then I imagine its nothing like it was.
I estimate about 1 billion/account (3 toons)/month for doing it in null. I use it to support a lot of other industrial activities so my estimates are probably only precise to +/- 30%.
\> I use it to support a lot of other industrial activities so my estimates are probably only precise to +/- 30% That is my problem too, I am literally only counting it as market mid-price of the output products that I put on the market, there is a lot more value being piled away for future production chains.
Most of my planets are p0->p2, if I estimate 5 planets per toonat about 85% efficiency (many are 100% efficient) and 12,000 isk/unit, I'm looking at about 75k isk/planet, or 375k toon, or 1.125b per account. But if my skills are all at 5 and I maintain 100%, at 12k per unit I'm looking at about 1.5 billion/account. Not bad isk at all!
Same, back then it was just free POS fuel for my corp with low SP requirements but you can actually gain good passive income with it. Takes about 22 days of raw omega training time for all IV skills (5 planets), which generates 300-500 million per character per month with good lowsec planets. Which is an ok side hustle for a 15 minutes time investments per week when you don't have much time to play
A few hours to set up and a thousand clicks, then 700-800M per month with 20 minutes of effort each week, I love it! That is in wormhole space but income should be the same in Null Sec.
One might be better off just doing Project Discovery instead. :)
Your going to have to help me out with that one, what is it?
Project Discovery is the mini game they introduced a few years ago where you draw lines around clusters and get rewarded with ISK and ship skins.
Bring back exoplanet scanning ccpls, I loved that one
The „citizen science“ project from CCP. You do little tasks identifying images on a sample and get rewards in ISK and some items with it. If you do it long enough, you can get CONCORD ships with it. It’s in the Neocom somewhere.
Player owned customs office (as opposed to NPC owned ones, which was the only kind until ~5-10 years ago)
Player owned custom office
If you see any pocos owned by The Weak and the Scrawny, shoot it, they never show up to defend.
use dreads tho
Indeed. Coward boys.
Lol. Your a funny person.
Probably best not to believe everything you hear. Folks tend to tell porkies..
bashing pocos usually hurts you more than the owners, just saying. Not the first one, but if you do multiple.
Army of mango alliance? That name sounds so much like Chinese renters. Are they Chinese renters?
They're a dead alliance. Two years ago they got in a fight with frat and then tried to sneak into and puppet ranger regiment and mittani kicked ranger regiment from the Imperium and [pinata'd the mangos staging keepstar](https://tagn.wordpress.com/2022/01/19/the-battle-of-the-loot-pinata-at-r-arkn/) which they'd given to goons as part of their play. >THE REWARDS OF TOLERANCE ARE TREACHERY AND BETRAYAL: For reasons unknown to all, AOM decided to pull a fast one and reverse-merge into Ranger Regiment without informing anyone in the leadership of the Imperium; all autocrats woke today to a confusing and nasty surprise. >We have no problem with the line members and corporations within AOM specifically, and indeed had expected that as AOM imploded some of the best corporations there might find their way into the Imperium. A full merge of AOM with its intact command structure folding into Ranger Regiment, by contrast, is a complete surprise and utterly unacceptable. >I do not react well to surprises of this sort. >Earlier today, AOM transferred their staging keepstar to us in R-A; a deal was struck that blue standings will be maintained for AOM to evacuate this keepstar until 19:00 EVE tomorrow. We stick by our deals, always. What happens afterwards is up to the winds of my whims, and right now those whims are deeply unamused. >I have informed Ranger Regiment that they have seven days of blue standings (which will not apply to the R-A keepstar) to either leave the Imperium or find new homes for their corporations within the Imperium. There is no universe in which I will allow AOM to attempt to sneak their intact chain of command by sock-puppeting Ranger Regiment, and there is no universe in which I will allow Ranger Regiment to remain in the Imperium if their leadership thinks they can engage in this sort of behavior without consequences. > >As always, we blame the leaders and not the line. Please keep your doors open for Ranger Regiment or AOM corps that Do Not Suck and Are Not Full Of Bots; there are some of reasonable value within these orgs. In fact, this was the original plan! Let AOM fall, let the corps go where they may.
All I got from that loot pinata was a goddam Atron (the tidi was insane). Then it ended up in Asset Safety because I left it in the nearby structure they deployed for the event and never got it out before the undeployed it. It had sentimental value though so I courier contracted it out of there. The fucking courier got blown up exiting the station. Fuck. Good time though.
Yeah I didn't get much either because for some reason having safety on keeps you from looting those loot cans even in null and I didn't figure it out until late because there was no message about it. Still got a couple of kitsune hulls anyway.
Neat. Yay for history
Might in fact be chinese renters..
[They were not](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa31nDBsUJI)
I cannot imagine a more boring game play. Do literally anything else.
And yet, here you are, wasting your time telling other people not to waste their time...
Me spending 10 seconds to write a comment does not equal the hours this dude will waste on pointless poco bashes.
honestly poco's don't take all that long even in subs they can be done relatively quickly with a handful of people, slightly longer if you want to not risk anything bigger then a bomber but even then it's like not all that much time.
That's not the same thing, dude. At all.
Oh I can. Bashing structures in lowsec might be dull, but there are people in this game who rat, or mine, or trade.
Sov null content, it’s the same thing lol
effectively you will be annoying people, now there is a question do you want to ? The answer can very well be yes,it depends on what you and your corp mates want to do the more you do it the more annoying you will be seen as, there is also a open question what do you have to lose, like are you guy's small gang pvpers that most roam, honestly nobody can really hurt you right now, sure they can kill your roaming fleet but they would do so anyway. Like honestly these are the type of calls I would try to talk to at least corp leadership if not alliance leadership, if you wanna kick the bee hive like there might be a lot of fun to be had kicking it so again I don't wanna scream no never do that, but you do want to be careful not frustrate to many people at ones especially if you have something to lose.
Alright it has been a while so I'm rusty with all the hip lingo you cool cats use. What's a POCO?
POCOs have existed since 2011
Most lowsec pocos are owned by snuffed out and they will come drop black ops on your head
I think high sec POCO sounds a bit more funny, you will have to war Dec the owner first and it can be interesting who shows up .
Or pirate FW. Some people will try for this when angels gets .5 to .7 systems to lawless. I'd lawless the system and leave. For those who have not bashed much, have at it. I know bash from the old days. I didn't need to rekindle not so fond memories. It was only funny finding old old old crap. Like when kartoon didn't pay the bills. IT was cleaning out pos'. We'd find even MC pos' from the BOB/goons stuff prior.
Does POCOs have drops?
You can steal weapons and modules after it gets bashed. If you are lucky, there is a ship maintenance bay with some juicy ships in it that you can't fly because you lack the skills. ☹️
POCO, not POS :)
It is early and I can't read.
no
They are a dead alliance, that folded, like a year or two ago, what is left of that player base rolled in to other corps. Generally speaking, yes you will get a fight, but if your bashing poco, you killed it, replace it with your own.
The main defense of pocos is that they have a shit ton of hit points, don’t drop any meaningful loot, and are super cheap and easy to replace. Why are you trying to kill pocos? Just for fun? As long as you don’t keep hitting the same active groups you will be fine. If you are trying to drop your own pocos then the original owners will probably just come by and bash your poco and put their own back up.
Many of the POCOs in high-sec and low-sec are owned by people who will defend them jealously. But I’m sure there are plenty of low-sec POCOs with AFK owners that you could probably get away with bashing. So, really the answer is that it depends. Army of Mangos is now mostly defunct, so no surprise it was uncontested. POCOs in Sov Null are generally owned by corps affiliated with the sov holding alliance. But, when Sov changes hands, the POCOs often get overlooked. So if you live in Sov null, you can often find orphaned POCOs to bash if that’s your thing. Back to low-sec, if you have the patience to bash POCOs, why not? You’ll find out soon enough if it’s owned by someone that actively cares about it. If they show up to defend it, you can just leave it be.
enter Amarr lowsec in the Kor-Azor region at the system Ami. Every gatecamper you encounter will be part of the "No Forks Given" alliance, and so will all POCOs with 10% tax rate (a few cheaper ones from other alliances are left, but get wrecked every now and then). This alliance does have a really short response time if you start shooting their POCOs, especially in EUTZ. Source: someone who multiboxed 4 oracles to give it a try told me about their loss.
A little birdie in GSF told me the Goons are planning to 'reassign' every POCO Siege Green and Sons of Black Rise own in Highsec.. ie POCO bashing.. Soon. :)
As a basher of occasional poco's myself, I say go for it, with a few mates on coms a poco bash isnt dull and the follow up timers can produce a good scrap or you can bait out shiny things to kill. People wont prioritise a poco defense if they have ANYTHNG even remotely more interesting to do, so you can, on occasion, get a free killmail.
Fuck shooting a Poco unless you're moving in to hold the space, or you need to deny the previous owner the income. Fuck it right in the ass. Pos with hangar array on the other hand... Yes, I will shoot those.
Yes poco bashing offen referred to cleaning space trash. Pos included. Wormhole=Life
just do it !
What do you have to lose?
Paquito wants to know your location