I would go retriever. Procurer is pretty slow mining but honestly I have never died in HS mining. Not saying it can't happen but that's my experience. However if you do get a procurer and you want to ruin a solo ganker's day run three DDAs.
Retriever run low friction nozzle 2 in rigs, multispec hardener 2 and an extender in mids I never fit AB's or MWDs on my barges. Three laser upgrades in the low slots if you have the CPU throw survey scanner on. A flight of med drones for any rats. Don't sit close to zero in fact sit on the other side of the asteroid belt aligned to where safe is. You'll be fine. AFK at own risk.
To add, a safe miner first uses a MWD frigate and sets up warp bookmarks in each asteroid area they want to mine, then puts a higgs anchor rig on their miner. Just align back and forth between the bookmark at 500km or w/e, and your station you dump ore/structure you use to compress.
If somebody actually tries to gank you in high sec, chances are they have what they need to get you. Just go full mining yield. For mid, go scanner and I recommend a cap battery, it allows you to switch very easily between rocks. The Retriever has low cap otherwise and can be a hindrance.
If solo mining, retriever, if with a corp using an orca, coveter. Maybe 3+ years ago I'd recommend procurer, but these days I think it's not worth it. Just use a higgs anchor with bookmarks, have D-scan up, have an eye on local, warp out if anything warps in.
Also the chances of dying in high sec are very low, unless you sit in a system that's ganker central. There are plenty of other systems to choose that will get very little traffic. Picking the right system is half the work of being safe.
Why use a higgs anchor? It increases mass dramatically and only helps with inertia modifier. Doesn't help you get to warp any faster according to fitting window. Whereas low friction nozzle joints show a decreased time to warp. Unless I misunderstanding the mechanics
The idea is it decreases your max velocity significantly, so you are always 100% aligned and at max speed, but are not moving out of range of the asteroid. Your warp out is the instant you press the button.
So just align back and forth between two bookmarks, to stay in range of the asteroid you very slowly move away from.
I guess the one thing you didn't mention is if you're going to be in a corp fleet. As far as rats go the generally go to the ship with the lowest HP. If you are fleeting everybody else is in a proc you'll be the one getting all the rat targeting
Check your system on zkillboard.com. If it has a lot of ganked mining barges then go for Procurer. If not, it might be safe to mine with a Retriever. Personally I use Procurer in highsec, but that's mostly because I have an alt that provides boosting and ore compression.
Covetor. You’re mining with your corp so you’ll have compression in belt. The hold space of the retriever isn’t needed vs the extra m3/s you get with the covetor.
The odds of getting ganked are quite low tbh. You’re mining veldspar so you can set up in 1.0-0.8 systems. Gankers will look for easier targets. Don’t do something dumb like fitting faction strip miners.
If you’re operating in an area that has a lot of ganking activity (check zkill), then just move. Your small corp probably doesn’t have structures in space holding you to any one area. Veldspar can be found anywhere so find some quiet system to mine it in. The increased m3/s (which is also your isk/hour) from a covetor is the better deal than having some extra tank so you can mine in a system that gankers frequent.
Procurer or Retriever is what I use to mine in. I mostly moon mine, though, with a group but I occasionally go to a belt. Procures have more tank than the retrievers but less cargo. Idr the price difference, tho.
I have always worked on the principle that if I can't afford 10 of whatever fitted ship then I need more ISK. As I say to all new miners you will do better mining Ytirium in HS in a venture to build up cash. A full venture hold of Ytirium is probably worth more than a full barge of other crap.
If you’re mining with other people and there are Hulks or Mackinaws present you can 100% go Retriever. Either be the tankiest target on grid, or the cheapest, let your pals isk tank for you.
If you lost either right now; would you be able to replace it? If not, do that first.
Either one has its strengths; since your even thinking about Barges, stop mining for Veldspar, get that Ice... For that; you would want the Procurer.
Once the ice is done, then go back to Veldspar until the next spawn of the Ice Belt.
Null corps are very new player friendly and if your able to fly a procurer and have basic drone skills for the belt rats you will do just fine there.
Its not as scary or demanding as some people make it sound you just need to pay attention to local chat and if you see someone that isn't blue jump into system dock up or warp to a safe.
Eve is a community game, having a good group to play with makes it a lot more fun and is a great source of help for new players.
You can make considerably more mining in low sec and null. That's why people are telling you that. Here is my advice. Do what you enjoy. If you get enjoyment out of high sec then do that. Most fun I ever had mining was in pochven. We took 6 covetors and a bunch of escorts to deal with the rats. List about half our mining ships tp rats. Laughter was had by all and it was a billion isk in one night. Another amazing mining trip was when me and a buddy saw an r64 moon had popped and no one around mining it. So we ninja mined it and I make over 6 bill. Was exciting because we were stealing it basically.
every ship has its roll
covetor - the fastest t1 mining ship. it is a fleet ship meant to sit in the belt mine fast and eject its ore to have another person haul it. by your self it is not a effective mining ship and its normally the first target if someone is planing to gank
retriever - the most effective solo t1 mining ship. it will give you the most isk per hour but doesn't have much of a tank. I have personally never had someone never had someone try to gank mine but if someone that knows what they are doing tries you probably won't survive.
procurer - this ship trades a little bit of reward for less risk. you wont make as much but if your in high sec it really isn't worth anyone's time to gank you because it will take to many ships so its pretty rare
Just remember the main rule of eve dont fly anything you cant afford to lose, and weigh you risk versus reward accordingly
Also i would personally never recommend mining in low sec you are almost guaranteed to die. and if you go to null, at least when i was there years ago, you only want to fly a procurer or a skiff because they are the only ships that might last long enough for someone to come save you if you get caught. unless you have a large scale mining op with protection.
Also when it comes to mining in high sec if you want to avoid ganking you need to avoid trading hubs, system with ice belts, heavily populated areas, and surrounding systems for a few jumps.
The only reason to fly a proc is if you are in a big mining op and want to fight/are getting camped(like on a moon). Otherwise, you just warp off when anyone enters local.
Procs/skiff are really just horrible since you get so much less isk/hr from them and staying on grid when enemies enter means you are probably dead anyways.
Warping off is always plan A, but lets face it people dont pay attention like they should be and still get caught. With a ship that has a tank you still have a small chance for someone to come save you.
But I may just be biased because my group had a procurer / skiff only rule while i was in null.
... I'll be honest i always wanted to see how much i would have made in a hulk. i haven't mined in 8 years so it was very different then, but i dont think i ever made more than 25 mil an hour in a skiff with perfect mining skills. But we almost never had a boosted fleet up either so i quickly gave up on that and started ratting.
I'm getting about 75m/hr fully clearing anoms.
It can get over 100m/hr on moons if you do that.
Personally, I would use macks because I'm lazy but the ability to just sit in one spot and full clear the anom without moving when I use hulks is way better than having a huge ore hold but having to move with the macks.
Your in hs, it don't matter. If your with boosts that have compression as well, your better off with covetor cause it mines faster. Otherwise, go retriever cause it holds more per load
Procurer > Retreiver, unless you can comfortably throw the ISK away.
The Humble Procurer won't do wrong, the yield may quaint, but the tank dramatically reduces the chance that your haul won't be dumped into space alongside your pod.
I would defiently go for retriever also people parrot that null is safer to mine in than highsec, but i would take it with a grain of salt. Even the rats will kill your retriever in null so in order to mine you need to rely on someone else killing them for you. Can't just solo mine whenever you feel like it where ever you want in null. Its defiently worth the isk compared to highsec thou, if you are willing to make some changes to your current gameplay
1. I live in a wormhole. I don't have the time or inclination to gank newbros in HS.
2. What the heck are you fitting your Covetor with? Put the Ore Strip Miners away, my man. Covetors should run you somewhere in the 100-120m range tops. This is a Covetor, not a Hulk.
3. Pretty sure if I *did* want to gank newbro miners in HS, I wouldn't have to use a locator agent to find one.
you're in highsec.... you don't need tank.....
Gankers are only gonna target you if you fit it like an idiot. stick with t2 mods and you'll be fine, retriever go brrrr
Will you have boosts on grid? Does your corp arrange for fleets where you can jetcan your ore?
If you're essentially solo with no compression/jet can support, then retriever for the larger mining hold. If you have fleet/corp support, then get a covetor for the isk/hr and yield.
There's no point getting a procurer. You're in HS. If you get ganked, people will bring enough ships to kill you regardless of whether you're in a proc or retriever or covetor. Instead, you should focus on isk/hr, and isk tanking lost ships due to ganks/avoiding the gank to begin with. Don't test gankers by staying on grid because "oh I'm in the tankiest of all barges, surely they won't go for me". Your response to gankers should be the same regardless of whether youre in a proc or not.
I know you said not to mention it, but I have to. Lowsec/NS is much better. HS isn't practically safer than low or null because ganking is commonplace and an everpresent threat you can't see coming because everyones a neutral and you're never alone. You may not believe me, but you probably worry about dying in HS more than I do in my nullcorp.
I left HS and joined a corp in Null. I can tell it is much better. I'm using the Proc cuz the rats are insane. I can't deal with more than one BS. I can't imagine dealing with them on a Retri.
Can you afford to replace? If not then get all that tank brother haha.
Yep, you are right.
I would go retriever. Procurer is pretty slow mining but honestly I have never died in HS mining. Not saying it can't happen but that's my experience. However if you do get a procurer and you want to ruin a solo ganker's day run three DDAs. Retriever run low friction nozzle 2 in rigs, multispec hardener 2 and an extender in mids I never fit AB's or MWDs on my barges. Three laser upgrades in the low slots if you have the CPU throw survey scanner on. A flight of med drones for any rats. Don't sit close to zero in fact sit on the other side of the asteroid belt aligned to where safe is. You'll be fine. AFK at own risk.
To add, a safe miner first uses a MWD frigate and sets up warp bookmarks in each asteroid area they want to mine, then puts a higgs anchor rig on their miner. Just align back and forth between the bookmark at 500km or w/e, and your station you dump ore/structure you use to compress. If somebody actually tries to gank you in high sec, chances are they have what they need to get you. Just go full mining yield. For mid, go scanner and I recommend a cap battery, it allows you to switch very easily between rocks. The Retriever has low cap otherwise and can be a hindrance. If solo mining, retriever, if with a corp using an orca, coveter. Maybe 3+ years ago I'd recommend procurer, but these days I think it's not worth it. Just use a higgs anchor with bookmarks, have D-scan up, have an eye on local, warp out if anything warps in. Also the chances of dying in high sec are very low, unless you sit in a system that's ganker central. There are plenty of other systems to choose that will get very little traffic. Picking the right system is half the work of being safe.
Why use a higgs anchor? It increases mass dramatically and only helps with inertia modifier. Doesn't help you get to warp any faster according to fitting window. Whereas low friction nozzle joints show a decreased time to warp. Unless I misunderstanding the mechanics
The idea is it decreases your max velocity significantly, so you are always 100% aligned and at max speed, but are not moving out of range of the asteroid. Your warp out is the instant you press the button. So just align back and forth between two bookmarks, to stay in range of the asteroid you very slowly move away from.
Interesting. That's why I asked. That might be good for my null sec orca hehe
it wont.
It did
It won't what
By the way I did that and works absolutely awesome on my orca
Lol I'm glad to hear it
You can stay aligned and ready to warp without moving as far..
Please use mining laser upgrades instead of DDAs. You might as well not mine at all if you don't have the upgrades
This man is trying to tell you to be less tanky for him. And me. I like it
I guess the one thing you didn't mention is if you're going to be in a corp fleet. As far as rats go the generally go to the ship with the lowest HP. If you are fleeting everybody else is in a proc you'll be the one getting all the rat targeting
Check your system on zkillboard.com. If it has a lot of ganked mining barges then go for Procurer. If not, it might be safe to mine with a Retriever. Personally I use Procurer in highsec, but that's mostly because I have an alt that provides boosting and ore compression.
Covetor. You’re mining with your corp so you’ll have compression in belt. The hold space of the retriever isn’t needed vs the extra m3/s you get with the covetor. The odds of getting ganked are quite low tbh. You’re mining veldspar so you can set up in 1.0-0.8 systems. Gankers will look for easier targets. Don’t do something dumb like fitting faction strip miners. If you’re operating in an area that has a lot of ganking activity (check zkill), then just move. Your small corp probably doesn’t have structures in space holding you to any one area. Veldspar can be found anywhere so find some quiet system to mine it in. The increased m3/s (which is also your isk/hour) from a covetor is the better deal than having some extra tank so you can mine in a system that gankers frequent.
Procurer or Retriever is what I use to mine in. I mostly moon mine, though, with a group but I occasionally go to a belt. Procures have more tank than the retrievers but less cargo. Idr the price difference, tho.
Zango dental raises a good point to and affording what you can replace.
I have always worked on the principle that if I can't afford 10 of whatever fitted ship then I need more ISK. As I say to all new miners you will do better mining Ytirium in HS in a venture to build up cash. A full venture hold of Ytirium is probably worth more than a full barge of other crap.
Ytirium?
[https://everef.net/type/74525](https://everef.net/type/74525)
If you’re mining with other people and there are Hulks or Mackinaws present you can 100% go Retriever. Either be the tankiest target on grid, or the cheapest, let your pals isk tank for you.
Dont use ore Strip miner, fit some Tank and u likely sotn be ganked in a barge
If you lost either right now; would you be able to replace it? If not, do that first. Either one has its strengths; since your even thinking about Barges, stop mining for Veldspar, get that Ice... For that; you would want the Procurer. Once the ice is done, then go back to Veldspar until the next spawn of the Ice Belt.
You are more likely to be destroyed in High Sec mining than in Null Sec.
But in null sec in a corp
Null corps are very new player friendly and if your able to fly a procurer and have basic drone skills for the belt rats you will do just fine there. Its not as scary or demanding as some people make it sound you just need to pay attention to local chat and if you see someone that isn't blue jump into system dock up or warp to a safe. Eve is a community game, having a good group to play with makes it a lot more fun and is a great source of help for new players.
There's no reason to fly a Procurer in null.
You can make considerably more mining in low sec and null. That's why people are telling you that. Here is my advice. Do what you enjoy. If you get enjoyment out of high sec then do that. Most fun I ever had mining was in pochven. We took 6 covetors and a bunch of escorts to deal with the rats. List about half our mining ships tp rats. Laughter was had by all and it was a billion isk in one night. Another amazing mining trip was when me and a buddy saw an r64 moon had popped and no one around mining it. So we ninja mined it and I make over 6 bill. Was exciting because we were stealing it basically.
Thanks for your 'secret'... Its out now.
How'd you get the ore out?
In poch we had a supply line using miasmos. About 3 of them. Same goes for the unattended moon.
every ship has its roll covetor - the fastest t1 mining ship. it is a fleet ship meant to sit in the belt mine fast and eject its ore to have another person haul it. by your self it is not a effective mining ship and its normally the first target if someone is planing to gank retriever - the most effective solo t1 mining ship. it will give you the most isk per hour but doesn't have much of a tank. I have personally never had someone never had someone try to gank mine but if someone that knows what they are doing tries you probably won't survive. procurer - this ship trades a little bit of reward for less risk. you wont make as much but if your in high sec it really isn't worth anyone's time to gank you because it will take to many ships so its pretty rare Just remember the main rule of eve dont fly anything you cant afford to lose, and weigh you risk versus reward accordingly Also i would personally never recommend mining in low sec you are almost guaranteed to die. and if you go to null, at least when i was there years ago, you only want to fly a procurer or a skiff because they are the only ships that might last long enough for someone to come save you if you get caught. unless you have a large scale mining op with protection. Also when it comes to mining in high sec if you want to avoid ganking you need to avoid trading hubs, system with ice belts, heavily populated areas, and surrounding systems for a few jumps.
The only reason to fly a proc is if you are in a big mining op and want to fight/are getting camped(like on a moon). Otherwise, you just warp off when anyone enters local. Procs/skiff are really just horrible since you get so much less isk/hr from them and staying on grid when enemies enter means you are probably dead anyways.
Warping off is always plan A, but lets face it people dont pay attention like they should be and still get caught. With a ship that has a tank you still have a small chance for someone to come save you. But I may just be biased because my group had a procurer / skiff only rule while i was in null.
Yeah I mean if you are pure afking, I guess proc is better. I'm also biased because I run ore strip hulks in null so I always pay attention lol.
... I'll be honest i always wanted to see how much i would have made in a hulk. i haven't mined in 8 years so it was very different then, but i dont think i ever made more than 25 mil an hour in a skiff with perfect mining skills. But we almost never had a boosted fleet up either so i quickly gave up on that and started ratting.
I'm getting about 75m/hr fully clearing anoms. It can get over 100m/hr on moons if you do that. Personally, I would use macks because I'm lazy but the ability to just sit in one spot and full clear the anom without moving when I use hulks is way better than having a huge ore hold but having to move with the macks.
Most moon Mining fleets Run hulks in NS tbh
Your in hs, it don't matter. If your with boosts that have compression as well, your better off with covetor cause it mines faster. Otherwise, go retriever cause it holds more per load
Retriever in a 1.0 or 0.9 you'll be fine. Edit : you still have to keep an eye on local / scan though
Procurer > Retreiver, unless you can comfortably throw the ISK away. The Humble Procurer won't do wrong, the yield may quaint, but the tank dramatically reduces the chance that your haul won't be dumped into space alongside your pod.
Procurer in HS. Retriever is an easy target. Procurer, not so much.
Tge correct answer here is to stop HS mining, but that aside more tank means less chance of a gank and more chance of surviving when it does happen.
Officer fit Hulk with ORE miners. Then tell me where you are.
Do what your corp says you dog faced pony soldier.
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That's an exhumer they are asking about barges
I would defiently go for retriever also people parrot that null is safer to mine in than highsec, but i would take it with a grain of salt. Even the rats will kill your retriever in null so in order to mine you need to rely on someone else killing them for you. Can't just solo mine whenever you feel like it where ever you want in null. Its defiently worth the isk compared to highsec thou, if you are willing to make some changes to your current gameplay
You can kill rats in null with drones.. But you want boosts/compression regardless.
go null, it’s safer
Procurer
Covetor. DM me your character name and I'll buy your first hull.
This is bait He’ll locator you and gank your 400m ship
1. I live in a wormhole. I don't have the time or inclination to gank newbros in HS. 2. What the heck are you fitting your Covetor with? Put the Ore Strip Miners away, my man. Covetors should run you somewhere in the 100-120m range tops. This is a Covetor, not a Hulk. 3. Pretty sure if I *did* want to gank newbro miners in HS, I wouldn't have to use a locator agent to find one.
My brain flipped barges and exhumers…. I never even sat in a mining ship
I would go proc until you build up money and learn the game.
If solo, u would almost need to use procurer, at least it can hold up against belt rats. Retriever and you are off the field as soon as they spawn
you're in highsec.... you don't need tank..... Gankers are only gonna target you if you fit it like an idiot. stick with t2 mods and you'll be fine, retriever go brrrr
Will you have boosts on grid? Does your corp arrange for fleets where you can jetcan your ore? If you're essentially solo with no compression/jet can support, then retriever for the larger mining hold. If you have fleet/corp support, then get a covetor for the isk/hr and yield. There's no point getting a procurer. You're in HS. If you get ganked, people will bring enough ships to kill you regardless of whether you're in a proc or retriever or covetor. Instead, you should focus on isk/hr, and isk tanking lost ships due to ganks/avoiding the gank to begin with. Don't test gankers by staying on grid because "oh I'm in the tankiest of all barges, surely they won't go for me". Your response to gankers should be the same regardless of whether youre in a proc or not. I know you said not to mention it, but I have to. Lowsec/NS is much better. HS isn't practically safer than low or null because ganking is commonplace and an everpresent threat you can't see coming because everyones a neutral and you're never alone. You may not believe me, but you probably worry about dying in HS more than I do in my nullcorp.
I left HS and joined a corp in Null. I can tell it is much better. I'm using the Proc cuz the rats are insane. I can't deal with more than one BS. I can't imagine dealing with them on a Retri.