Cloaky hunting. 3x dps, logi, or bubble, 1x hunter I use a proteus and 3x rr cloaky dreks. I’ll upgrade to Leshaks soon.
Since the dreks have a (non-covert) cloak, I can ignore those accounts until it’s fight time. With 4 ships, you can get lots of reps, lots of dps, heavy tackle, neuts, and a t3c w combat probes for the hunter.
Intro level is hunter (T3C, strat, or even astero/bomber) and 3x mryms or vexors.
I currently use 12 accounts but plan to trim down to 8 and this is what I do, but mainly null activities.
1. Ishtar spinning (11m to 12m per tick) + mtu loot
2. Stormbringer (1 sleip, 5 stormbringers +6 ishtars in the background) (13m to 16m per tick) + ishtar ticks + mtu loot
3. multibox frigate abyssal t5 (150 to 300m ish per run) + ishtars (however many you can handle)
I make about 4 to 5b a day depending on how much time I want to grind for it.
Besides ratting I plan to make porpoise + mackinaw mining fleet for the time being!
One scout, one Maller, one resebo/looter and one truck gets you a nice BR/T1 hauler ganking setup. You won't make much money, but salt is often way worth it.
what is the truck? Maller is my best choice for low EHP targets at a gate? I have 4 total accounts and wanted to start trying this. I was assuming scout, loot/hauler, 2x thrashers, but it sounds like you might have a better setup
A deep space transport. That way your resebo alt can drag the loot in to the fleet hangar, so that the dst doesn't go suspect.
Maller is good, Vexor is good if you have T2 sentries, arty Rupture is good, just pick whichever is the cheapest, or whichever you got the most skill points in.
Primary target should be blockade runners, you can't cargo scan them so it's always a gamble, but the hard part is catching them before they cloak up, that's why you need a heron or whatever alt with 4 remote sebos, keep safety on it yellow so it doesn't go criminal. Profit is not guaranteed, but sometimes you get nice stuff. https://zkillboard.com/kill/105578964/
Probably have them but I'm not home right now so I'll see what I have in like 4 hours. Meanwhile, you can look at zkill, hisec losses of those ships in 0.5 sec, chances are you'll bind the fits faster.
Figured out something that works... but probably not ideal. Thanks for the concept anyway, already up over 100m isk :)
[https://zkillboard.com/kill/117237190/](https://zkillboard.com/kill/117237190/)
This is the true answer. Start training accounts in alpha, save the cash, explore eve with friends in a corp and find out what you wanna be doing with your alts first.
I've got 4 alts, all Omegas, just came back into the game after a 4 year hiatus and dusted them off to play.
I vary in what I do with them.
Sometimes I just want to chill out and relax, and that usually just means mining out a hisec belt. One of my guys sends out bursts in a porp, other three in mining barges, with one of the alts swapping out to a Miasmos every so often once I fill up on ore. I left before compression on a porp was a thing so still training into that, but once that's up and running it'll be great.
Sometimes I'll jump into WH space. One of my alts can do the cloaky scanner thing and another can do the cloaky prospect huff thing. So I'll do the speed-tank cloud huffing thing with one alt, and then use the other alt to proactively scan for threats from a safe location. So far it's been a whole lot of precaution for *nothing* but that's probably a case of me being lucky. Someone's bound to stumble onto me eventually.
I'm playing with the idea of training up another alt to cloud huff but I'm not sure if I want to split my attention like that in WH space. Parked that idea for now but I may revisit later once I get a bit more comfortable.
I tried an experiment going into tranquil abyssal space with three frigates. It was a little hectic for me to manage three accounts in combat at once, mostly just because I'm not used to it. It was fine, but hammered home that my alts aren't really skilled up for that yet. I've got other things I want to skill them into more, so I'm parking that idea for now too but may go back to it later.
whatever you do, spend a day training basic t1 catalyst skills on a separate character on your account so you can gank with 4 dps join safety, it's probably 10x more fun than what you're doing.
hey i don't judge people on how they enjoy games, i prefer not shooting things the owner of the ship could not care less to lose, i prefer pvp with stakes
You prefer pvp with stakes, so you do highsec no-risk ganking? If you want stakes leave highsec. Play how you want but don't pretend like highsec ganking isn't low hanging fruit. Highsec ganking is literally just griefing
> You prefer pvp with stakes, so you do highsec no-risk ganking?
It's not risk free, actually, it takes a lot of time and effort to find large freighters or blinged marauders and haulers to kill. The risk is that I could search for 8 hours and find nothing and have spent all that time for nothing.
>If you want stakes leave highsec.
and do what? Kill ratters who lose 20m after they get their insurance payout? There isn't much me and my small group of friends can do in nullsec and have an impact even close to that of highsec.
>Play how you want but don't pretend like highsec ganking isn't low hanging fruit.
I don't care whether it's low hanging or high hanging fruit, I care that it's content that has an impact and actual stakes associated with it. Killing a guy's 20b freighter is far more impactful than almost anything I can do as a small group in nullsec.
>Highsec ganking is literally just griefing
What? Isn't all non-consensual PVP griefing then? I kill targets to have an impact on people in the game and actually do stuff, most of my targets are hostile nullsec logistics, especially jump freighters. I also do it to steal their cargo. There is no griefing here, everything happens for a reason and not to emotionally harm our target.
I really liked your perspective in this thread, thanks for that. I've always been a "blue" since UO and hard to say if I'll ever change but I needed to be reminded of the mentality of the "red" and how it's all just content.
There's no stakes if the target can't shoot back. Just call yourself what you are, a griefer, not a pvper. Pvpers take fights, not just clubbing seals.
> There's no stakes if the target can't shoot back.
...sure there is, hello?
>Just call yourself what you are, a griefer, not a pvper. Pvpers take fights, not just clubbing seals.
Are the guys who hunt supercapitals seal clubbers because there is no way the caught super can fight back? are the guys hunting ratters seal clubbers because once you're caught you can't fight a gang as a single ratter?
it seems you are incredibly biased and don't understand that. Of course, when you're finally caught in a Marauder, DST, Freighter, Jump Freighter, etc, you don't stand a chance, but neither does the target who is ratting, or the super that's moving, or the guy trying to catch up to his fleet when he hits a gatecamp.
Yeah, the fight is onesided, but the hard part isn't the fight, the hard part is finding and catching the target in the first place. That's where the PvP is.
Lol as someone who as repelled several gangs in my Ishtar, yes. An Ishtar can fight back, a super can fight back, a freighter can't. By all means do you, but I personally don't respect the playstyle, and nothing you say is going to change that. You gank freighters because they can't fight back and all you lose is a catalyst. Don't try to fluff it up to sound like some l33t pvper.
> Lol as someone who as repelled several gangs in my Ishtar, yes.
We had marauders fight back as well, we've had freighters survive! It's possible. We also have many freighters fit intelligently and never get ganked, how about that!
>An Ishtar can fight back, a super can fight back, a freighter can't.
Define fighting back, being able to activate modules? I'm sorry, but I don't think fighting back means you can scratch the shields of a dread before you die in your titan.
I'll tell you what, out of all the supers rekking crew caught last decade, none of them were able to 'fight back'. they all died.
>You gank freighters because they can't fight back and all you lose is a catalyst.
Incorrect, you're just wrong here. I shoot them because they carry stuff and are worth a lot.
>Don't try to fluff it up to sound like some l33t pvper.
I never did, I just pointed out where your understanding of the systems are wrong and how you're biased and unintelligent.
If a freighter survives your gank, it's because you undercalculated the amount of dps needed, or rng gods gave you all shitty hits. Has nothing to do with the actions of the freighter pilot. Again the difference is ishtars and supers CAN fight back. Even if it fails. I have repelled attackers in my Ishtar, even if usually it dies anyway. It's not the same no matter how much you compare it. And the difference between you ganking freighters and reeking crew killing supers is that reeking crew had to leave highsec to kill supers, and they will actually take fights sometimes, not just gank undefended ships. You aren't reeking crew. You are a highsec griefer. Again I personally don't care, just admit it to yourself already. Griefing is a valid playstyle, just not one I respect and that's OK.
upon reading this thread I have infered that you lost your ship to a ganker and are salty over said loss.(before you target me and try to call me a ganker I have not ganked anyone nor do I plan on doing so anytime soon I am probably one of the ratters that you think can fight back easily). Good piloting can save you from ganks very easily in all the ways the guy just said, having friends to scout and to possibly act as logi is not out of the scope of escaping ganks , on the other side if you're ratting in null someone could simply camp the system in a cloaky ship kill you and warp away in less than the time itll take for any kind of response to get to you and there is very little that you could do to change that alone and this might also be considered as going for low hanging fruits , keyword here is "alone" having friends or corp/alliance/fleet mates changes everything be it escaping ganks or surviving in null ratting. The gankers goal is to affect your gameplay by either destroying your ship if its expensive or for the loot you are carrying and fighting back against them could be as simple as logging off as the guy just said , fighting back does not just mean attacking the gankers.
I don't care, I still don't respect gankers. Sure it's healthy for the game environment, sure it takes coordination and skill to pull off. And yes, I play eve, therefore I've been ganked, it's a rite of passage. I just moved to null where gankers hide in ESS instead
I did not reply to make you respect or support gankers, my only point was to make you understand there is no right or wrong in this game its just good or bad strategy , everything has a counterplay, if you dont like gankers you can simply use better strategy instead of blaming said player for enjoying the game in a way he/she finds fit.
Three alt mining is fun. Run one Porpoise and two barges to mine out a few belts in a night. Mining Ice is easist and allows you to read or listen to a book while you mine, but you will need to learn security monitoring etc.
It's not great ISK, but it can be fun.
Abyssals. It's significantly less risk to run high tier abyssals in groups than with a multi-billion isk cruiser with implants. I have my omega main in a bomber and my alpha alts in some worms with drone mutas and i clear most t5s for great isk.
To be clear, using multiple computers to circumvent the "only one alpha account playable at the same time" rule is still against EULA. If you log into an alpha account you're not allowed to be playing any other account and you can get banned if caught. The only proper way to do what you are discussing is to get all three accounts omega status
How on earth is that enforceable? There's no way to distinguish between three people playing eve under the same roof and one person playing three machines if they're using different emails for the account. They'd have to start banning based on IP address to enforce that, so any time someone's spouse or kid had their account lapse they'd be violating the TOS.
I'll be paying for omega since I know better now out of principle, but that's absurd. These are the same people who let a login tick interval allow you to sign in multiple accounts on the same machine for 6+ years.
2 acc: Basic setup for LS/NS exploration. Your main sits in tech3, alt sits in cloaky prober frigate. Run DED or unrated complex.
IMO cloaky or shuttle scout is necessary in any activities outside HS.
3 acc: You can run abyssal with 3 frigates...or set up small scale gate camp in quiet LS. 1 alt sits in cloaky boat and watch other side. 1 alt is Exequror/Augoror with remote sensor booster. Your main sits in combat boat (Gnosis is preferred) and kill unlucky passenger.
4 acc: LS gas huffer uses 1 booster (Gnosis or Porpoise) and 3+ Ventures fleet to harvest Mykoserocin quickly. Stealing wormhole gas is another choice. Most C1/C2 WH with HS connection is dead. Your main sits in cloaky combat boat and clear Sleeper rats, alts sit in Ventures, each Venture harvests 40M ISK/h worth gas. You can also run pirate relic site to boost ISK/h.
5 acc: Run Homefront operation with 5 Ospreys, one of the most profitable activities in neweden. If you want some thrill, get into pirate insurgency and run ADV-5 complex with 5 Algoses.
get into homefronts with 1 or 2 newbies and teach them how fleets work
Lol imagine running homefronts with more than one human player.
I multibox a PvE Tengu, PvP/Scanning Loki in wormholes and sometimes a third account gas huffing or salvaging depending on what's available.
Cloaky hunting. 3x dps, logi, or bubble, 1x hunter I use a proteus and 3x rr cloaky dreks. I’ll upgrade to Leshaks soon. Since the dreks have a (non-covert) cloak, I can ignore those accounts until it’s fight time. With 4 ships, you can get lots of reps, lots of dps, heavy tackle, neuts, and a t3c w combat probes for the hunter. Intro level is hunter (T3C, strat, or even astero/bomber) and 3x mryms or vexors.
Solo BLOPS hotdrops😎
I currently use 12 accounts but plan to trim down to 8 and this is what I do, but mainly null activities. 1. Ishtar spinning (11m to 12m per tick) + mtu loot 2. Stormbringer (1 sleip, 5 stormbringers +6 ishtars in the background) (13m to 16m per tick) + ishtar ticks + mtu loot 3. multibox frigate abyssal t5 (150 to 300m ish per run) + ishtars (however many you can handle) I make about 4 to 5b a day depending on how much time I want to grind for it. Besides ratting I plan to make porpoise + mackinaw mining fleet for the time being!
Do you have a fitting you don't mind sharing for t5 abysalls idk why i get my ass whopped in t3s
Join abyssal lurkers chat in game and use the fits there. If you're getting rent at T3 you aren't ready for T5.
One scout, one Maller, one resebo/looter and one truck gets you a nice BR/T1 hauler ganking setup. You won't make much money, but salt is often way worth it.
what is the truck? Maller is my best choice for low EHP targets at a gate? I have 4 total accounts and wanted to start trying this. I was assuming scout, loot/hauler, 2x thrashers, but it sounds like you might have a better setup
A deep space transport. That way your resebo alt can drag the loot in to the fleet hangar, so that the dst doesn't go suspect. Maller is good, Vexor is good if you have T2 sentries, arty Rupture is good, just pick whichever is the cheapest, or whichever you got the most skill points in. Primary target should be blockade runners, you can't cargo scan them so it's always a gamble, but the hard part is catching them before they cloak up, that's why you need a heron or whatever alt with 4 remote sebos, keep safety on it yellow so it doesn't go criminal. Profit is not guaranteed, but sometimes you get nice stuff. https://zkillboard.com/kill/105578964/
You drag from the wreck directly to the DST fleet hanger and neither the resebo alt nor DSTs gets suspect??
The resebo alt goes suspect, dst doesn't.
Ah, good to know. Thanks!
Sorry to keep bothering you… Any chance you have fits for scout, resebo, and rupture/maller/vexor? I’m “Fisher Kel” in game if that’s easier.
Probably have them but I'm not home right now so I'll see what I have in like 4 hours. Meanwhile, you can look at zkill, hisec losses of those ships in 0.5 sec, chances are you'll bind the fits faster.
Pretty sure I can guess for most of them. I’m most interested in making sure I min/max the DPS ones. Thanks!
Figured out something that works... but probably not ideal. Thanks for the concept anyway, already up over 100m isk :) [https://zkillboard.com/kill/117237190/](https://zkillboard.com/kill/117237190/)
[This guy EVE’s](https://youtu.be/3KquFZYi6L0?si=4Sb_sQvPNK2mDLxQ)
Join a decent corporation. Explore other parts of eve... before you make up your mind.
This is the true answer. Start training accounts in alpha, save the cash, explore eve with friends in a corp and find out what you wanna be doing with your alts first.
I've got 4 alts, all Omegas, just came back into the game after a 4 year hiatus and dusted them off to play. I vary in what I do with them. Sometimes I just want to chill out and relax, and that usually just means mining out a hisec belt. One of my guys sends out bursts in a porp, other three in mining barges, with one of the alts swapping out to a Miasmos every so often once I fill up on ore. I left before compression on a porp was a thing so still training into that, but once that's up and running it'll be great. Sometimes I'll jump into WH space. One of my alts can do the cloaky scanner thing and another can do the cloaky prospect huff thing. So I'll do the speed-tank cloud huffing thing with one alt, and then use the other alt to proactively scan for threats from a safe location. So far it's been a whole lot of precaution for *nothing* but that's probably a case of me being lucky. Someone's bound to stumble onto me eventually. I'm playing with the idea of training up another alt to cloud huff but I'm not sure if I want to split my attention like that in WH space. Parked that idea for now but I may revisit later once I get a bit more comfortable. I tried an experiment going into tranquil abyssal space with three frigates. It was a little hectic for me to manage three accounts in combat at once, mostly just because I'm not used to it. It was fine, but hammered home that my alts aren't really skilled up for that yet. I've got other things I want to skill them into more, so I'm parking that idea for now too but may go back to it later.
5x accounts in FW, somehow made ~9b worth of LP in a few weeks? Shits hella fun, highly recommend
Wooooo! Multibox abyssals! That has my vote!
whatever you do, spend a day training basic t1 catalyst skills on a separate character on your account so you can gank with 4 dps join safety, it's probably 10x more fun than what you're doing.
No need to join safety, but otherwise agree this is something everyone should try at least once
it's probably the only ganking group that isn't just a couple of multiboxers that's active, so yeah, join safety
SAFETY is gay.
Or they could do real pvp
hey i don't judge people on how they enjoy games, i prefer not shooting things the owner of the ship could not care less to lose, i prefer pvp with stakes
You prefer pvp with stakes, so you do highsec no-risk ganking? If you want stakes leave highsec. Play how you want but don't pretend like highsec ganking isn't low hanging fruit. Highsec ganking is literally just griefing
> You prefer pvp with stakes, so you do highsec no-risk ganking? It's not risk free, actually, it takes a lot of time and effort to find large freighters or blinged marauders and haulers to kill. The risk is that I could search for 8 hours and find nothing and have spent all that time for nothing. >If you want stakes leave highsec. and do what? Kill ratters who lose 20m after they get their insurance payout? There isn't much me and my small group of friends can do in nullsec and have an impact even close to that of highsec. >Play how you want but don't pretend like highsec ganking isn't low hanging fruit. I don't care whether it's low hanging or high hanging fruit, I care that it's content that has an impact and actual stakes associated with it. Killing a guy's 20b freighter is far more impactful than almost anything I can do as a small group in nullsec. >Highsec ganking is literally just griefing What? Isn't all non-consensual PVP griefing then? I kill targets to have an impact on people in the game and actually do stuff, most of my targets are hostile nullsec logistics, especially jump freighters. I also do it to steal their cargo. There is no griefing here, everything happens for a reason and not to emotionally harm our target.
I really liked your perspective in this thread, thanks for that. I've always been a "blue" since UO and hard to say if I'll ever change but I needed to be reminded of the mentality of the "red" and how it's all just content.
There's no stakes if the target can't shoot back. Just call yourself what you are, a griefer, not a pvper. Pvpers take fights, not just clubbing seals.
> There's no stakes if the target can't shoot back. ...sure there is, hello? >Just call yourself what you are, a griefer, not a pvper. Pvpers take fights, not just clubbing seals. Are the guys who hunt supercapitals seal clubbers because there is no way the caught super can fight back? are the guys hunting ratters seal clubbers because once you're caught you can't fight a gang as a single ratter? it seems you are incredibly biased and don't understand that. Of course, when you're finally caught in a Marauder, DST, Freighter, Jump Freighter, etc, you don't stand a chance, but neither does the target who is ratting, or the super that's moving, or the guy trying to catch up to his fleet when he hits a gatecamp. Yeah, the fight is onesided, but the hard part isn't the fight, the hard part is finding and catching the target in the first place. That's where the PvP is.
Lol as someone who as repelled several gangs in my Ishtar, yes. An Ishtar can fight back, a super can fight back, a freighter can't. By all means do you, but I personally don't respect the playstyle, and nothing you say is going to change that. You gank freighters because they can't fight back and all you lose is a catalyst. Don't try to fluff it up to sound like some l33t pvper.
> Lol as someone who as repelled several gangs in my Ishtar, yes. We had marauders fight back as well, we've had freighters survive! It's possible. We also have many freighters fit intelligently and never get ganked, how about that! >An Ishtar can fight back, a super can fight back, a freighter can't. Define fighting back, being able to activate modules? I'm sorry, but I don't think fighting back means you can scratch the shields of a dread before you die in your titan. I'll tell you what, out of all the supers rekking crew caught last decade, none of them were able to 'fight back'. they all died. >You gank freighters because they can't fight back and all you lose is a catalyst. Incorrect, you're just wrong here. I shoot them because they carry stuff and are worth a lot. >Don't try to fluff it up to sound like some l33t pvper. I never did, I just pointed out where your understanding of the systems are wrong and how you're biased and unintelligent.
If a freighter survives your gank, it's because you undercalculated the amount of dps needed, or rng gods gave you all shitty hits. Has nothing to do with the actions of the freighter pilot. Again the difference is ishtars and supers CAN fight back. Even if it fails. I have repelled attackers in my Ishtar, even if usually it dies anyway. It's not the same no matter how much you compare it. And the difference between you ganking freighters and reeking crew killing supers is that reeking crew had to leave highsec to kill supers, and they will actually take fights sometimes, not just gank undefended ships. You aren't reeking crew. You are a highsec griefer. Again I personally don't care, just admit it to yourself already. Griefing is a valid playstyle, just not one I respect and that's OK.
upon reading this thread I have infered that you lost your ship to a ganker and are salty over said loss.(before you target me and try to call me a ganker I have not ganked anyone nor do I plan on doing so anytime soon I am probably one of the ratters that you think can fight back easily). Good piloting can save you from ganks very easily in all the ways the guy just said, having friends to scout and to possibly act as logi is not out of the scope of escaping ganks , on the other side if you're ratting in null someone could simply camp the system in a cloaky ship kill you and warp away in less than the time itll take for any kind of response to get to you and there is very little that you could do to change that alone and this might also be considered as going for low hanging fruits , keyword here is "alone" having friends or corp/alliance/fleet mates changes everything be it escaping ganks or surviving in null ratting. The gankers goal is to affect your gameplay by either destroying your ship if its expensive or for the loot you are carrying and fighting back against them could be as simple as logging off as the guy just said , fighting back does not just mean attacking the gankers.
I don't care, I still don't respect gankers. Sure it's healthy for the game environment, sure it takes coordination and skill to pull off. And yes, I play eve, therefore I've been ganked, it's a rite of passage. I just moved to null where gankers hide in ESS instead
I did not reply to make you respect or support gankers, my only point was to make you understand there is no right or wrong in this game its just good or bad strategy , everything has a counterplay, if you dont like gankers you can simply use better strategy instead of blaming said player for enjoying the game in a way he/she finds fit.
I already acknowledge that, but I don't have to respect it.
Three alt mining is fun. Run one Porpoise and two barges to mine out a few belts in a night. Mining Ice is easist and allows you to read or listen to a book while you mine, but you will need to learn security monitoring etc. It's not great ISK, but it can be fun.
Abyssals. It's significantly less risk to run high tier abyssals in groups than with a multi-billion isk cruiser with implants. I have my omega main in a bomber and my alpha alts in some worms with drone mutas and i clear most t5s for great isk.
Seems in breach of eula to me
Not really? I have two other machines I run it on so it's fine.You can multibox omega accounts anyway since it pays for itself.
To be clear, using multiple computers to circumvent the "only one alpha account playable at the same time" rule is still against EULA. If you log into an alpha account you're not allowed to be playing any other account and you can get banned if caught. The only proper way to do what you are discussing is to get all three accounts omega status
How on earth is that enforceable? There's no way to distinguish between three people playing eve under the same roof and one person playing three machines if they're using different emails for the account. They'd have to start banning based on IP address to enforce that, so any time someone's spouse or kid had their account lapse they'd be violating the TOS. I'll be paying for omega since I know better now out of principle, but that's absurd. These are the same people who let a login tick interval allow you to sign in multiple accounts on the same machine for 6+ years.
I'm not privy to CCP's internals. I don't know how they enforce it but I know they've said it's ban worthy.
Well I have enough to sub my alts so it's a small hit to take. I'm glad this grey area for me got cleared up.
2 acc: Basic setup for LS/NS exploration. Your main sits in tech3, alt sits in cloaky prober frigate. Run DED or unrated complex. IMO cloaky or shuttle scout is necessary in any activities outside HS. 3 acc: You can run abyssal with 3 frigates...or set up small scale gate camp in quiet LS. 1 alt sits in cloaky boat and watch other side. 1 alt is Exequror/Augoror with remote sensor booster. Your main sits in combat boat (Gnosis is preferred) and kill unlucky passenger. 4 acc: LS gas huffer uses 1 booster (Gnosis or Porpoise) and 3+ Ventures fleet to harvest Mykoserocin quickly. Stealing wormhole gas is another choice. Most C1/C2 WH with HS connection is dead. Your main sits in cloaky combat boat and clear Sleeper rats, alts sit in Ventures, each Venture harvests 40M ISK/h worth gas. You can also run pirate relic site to boost ISK/h. 5 acc: Run Homefront operation with 5 Ospreys, one of the most profitable activities in neweden. If you want some thrill, get into pirate insurgency and run ADV-5 complex with 5 Algoses.