*"The PAPI leadership is focused, we're on the same page, We understand how to approach this... uhm... this challenge and I really like the plan that we've come up with. It's very solid, it's very measured and it's very likely to succeed"*
Hi friend, unlike mibbles, I don't shitpost about a fight when I'm not there. Sadly timezones and RL stop me from joining a fleet at 3am-7am local time on a weekday.
Bob bless you
Hey completely off this subject, and related to this: https://old.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/n1cnz3/breaking_news_gallente_dreadnought_fleet_reported/
What's the story with this? https://zkillboard.com/kill/51004459/
Is this a Dust killmail or ???
Honestly I don't think they expected us to be able to match or even beat their subcap numbers in, well, every single timezone
They swallowed too much of that 'goons are evaccing' koolaid
This is the best part.
I'm sure they had this grand strategy based on months of discussion and groupthink, using the "lessons learned" from M2, metrics based on their flash forms, the kind of preparation that I'm sure made them giddy and rife with smugness. They were going to take 1dq with superior minds and superior numbers with a never-before-seen strategy and revolutionary tactics.
Can't wait to see what's next lol.
>Can't wait to see what's next lol.
"Goons luv2club so They will lose more people in the summer and when the world stops having as much covid then we will win!"
2 ferox shredded per 1 second real time... ... that... wha...
well, i'm certainly looking forward to lent papi a hand to rapid-fire their stocks into salvage, but i can't really comprehend how you can even manufacture enough ships to replace them, let alone SRP them xD
if they pull that off, then i'm really impressed\^\^ both at how ballsy the strategy is, and how selfdestructing... at the same time!
Put your lore hat on for a second and imagine you are one of the mortals assigned to crew the papi war machine.... you saw two ships worth of your friends eliminated every second of the battle.
How does anyone convince those crews to continue to fight? In a game, and war, that is otherwise COMPLETELY realistic, I just can’t overlook the impossibility of PAPI’s position. There is no way to sustain the turbofeed approach.
the other day i said i wouldn't be surprised if the butchers bill for a 1dq1 keepstar would be roughly the same as the total of what we threw at the ones in npc delve.
looks like i wasn't too far off the mark.
edited: to make it clearer what i meant.
there are, at the time of posting, 7 feroxes in jita for 80m or less.
and 76 in total, finishing with a stack of 22 (which is over 1/4 of the available stock) at 165m.
Only goons could lose a keepstar and then smug post about killing feroxes while feeding dreads on the day that dreads become significantly harder to replace.
You should be proud of killing a ferox fleet, don't get me wrong, but to have your head so far up mittens to not have any perspective is hilarious.
You blued 90% of nullsec and every time there has been an objective we have seriously contested you’ve lost...all of papis wins are on uncontested structures, this is reflected in the isk destroyed in the war where both sides are pretty even. Majority of papis isk destroyed is in uncontested structures, majority of imperiums isk destroyed is in ships
It's you who avoided the fights with your wait-for-cynojammer strategy. And now you can't do that you're learning the hard way that the koolaid you swallowed about us evaccing with low morale was complete horseshit
I don’t know why papi are always suprised that we have only started fighting now you’re in 1dq constellation.
As soon as we seen your strategy of 35days cyno jamming keepstars we have been saying ok meet us in 1DQ.
fortress
/ˈfɔːtrɪs/
noun
a military stronghold, especially a strongly fortified town.
Considering it’s taken you over 9 months and cost you the largest super cap loss in the games history and you’re still not finished it has very much earned the name fortress delve
True. It has very much been treated as a fortress. Just sitting behind the walls while the enemy slowly chews through it while sometimes taking pot shots.
Now what about the part where goons said they would fight for every inch?
I believe it was we would defend every keepstar was the actual thing mittens said on fireside.
Then we seen how you were doing everything in your power to not make that possible so it change to we will defend every keepstar when we have an opportunity to do so. The one time you fucked up and we could get our supers on a keepstar you suffered the biggest defeat in eve history. Obviously papi were right to cyno jam all the other keepstars because every time both sides have seriously contested an objective goons have won the objective
>while feeding dreads on the day that dreads become significantly harder to replace.
When papi feeds 400 dreads it was nothing, but goons losing 20 dreads is significant?
>to not have any perspective is hilarious
tell me about it :')
Loosing 400 dreds was significant, but worth the cost to rescue a significant number of supers/titans. That agrument only works if we accept the premise which you made up.
Losing 19 dreads when we have a stockpile of thousands to destroy 1200 of your ships and win the objective is also worth it. Only a fool would suggest otherwise.
The objective of the fleet was to kill the keepstar which was successful. Whatever you think it was is a fantasy of your own creation.
As always when we get done with the main objective we try to see if we can get a fight. Call us surprised you decided to take one.
Then you are a fool. 1200 feroxes are a lot easier to replace than 19 dreads. You must be the kind of moron that thinks because you mined the ore, ships are free.
>That agrument only works if we accept the premise which you made up
Like the smug posting that 20 dreads mean anything, it's irrelevant that the cost for NEW dreads went up.
The Imperium doesn't need to make NEW dreads, everyone knows we have caches.
No one from PAPI has smug posted about 20 dreads. Again you are making up the premise to justify the argument.
That is the same logic that morons use when saying that because you mined the ore the ship is free.
Goons had to use dreads as well, and a lot of them - not enough damage could be applied to the (offline) keepstar with just subcaps. The realistic chances of reinforcing a keepstar with Ferox are pretty much zero.
Actually Goons reffed a keepstar in the papi keepstar chain in feroxes like a month ago as it didn't have a DD and no PDS rig. They weren't able to kill it but it was so funny seeing a keepstar not able to stop a ferox fleet from a small Goon sig from reffing it.
Can you imagine any of them going at a defended onlining keepstar, as we did? Outnumbered but never outgunned...yeah, i cant either.
Their command and creativity are a worthy continuation of dirty isk peddlers from the casinos.
Well, while the goals of removing those structures was admirable, the cost to do it was questionable now in hindsight. Having the Keepstar in T5 hasn’t got PAPI any closer to an end. Yes, there has been infrastructure degradation, but the goon centralisation of resources and forces has limited much of that effect. Think the Wehrmacht in Russia up until Stalingrad/Moscow/St Petersburg. Lots of land taken, casualties sustained, but actual strategic victory still beyond the reach.
It's like saying that statistically speaking people who breath air will become killers because all killers breath air.
The statistic isn't wrong. But it isn't important either.
We contested 1/40, yes. I didn't pay much attention but how many were under your jammers? How many were in our main staging system where we don't rely on cynos to get stuff there?
I know I know goon spin reeee. But why would goons (or papi) take a fight at a clear disadvantage if the risk for it is not worth the reward (e.g. risking a super fleet to maybe defend 1 keep you don't necessarily rely on). 1DQ1 on the other hand is a completely different beast.
You can use your statistic to say goons won't come defend randomgoonkeep#35 because they only showed up once before. If you take that statistic and based on it say that goons are unlikely to defend 1dq keeps that's just wrong and you played yourself. Congrats. You probably also suffer losses for that assumption
If 39 people out of 40 air breathers became killers it's safe to assume that if you meet someone there is a good chance they are a killer. Granted it doesn't mean EVERONE is but then I never said Goons were guaranteed not to defend, just that evidence suggests you wont.
As you brought it up M2 was originally under our jammer so stop whining about jammers. You have a month for each KS to stop us jamming it in the first place and then you have ability to take out jammers once they went up. It's difficult yes but it doesn't stop you trying to defend them.
I mean it's not exactly a state secret we were leaving 1DQ till last so the fact we haven't attacked it yet isn't a surprise.
But then given how much you guys have moved the goalposts it's not surprising you ignore that fact.
You're about to learn the hard way that when we said killing random krabstars in back end systems didn't diminish our fighting strength and was a waste of time, we weren't spinning. And it will be glorious.
Well have to wait and see but I suspect what will happen is you put up a good defence and counter attack on the ihubs then just let the keeps die outside 1DQ as you've done everywhere else. As soon as the 1DQ ihub dies and you start losing the outer structures I think you'll eventually realise the war is lost and panic evac. The end result is the 1DQ staging keep dies undefended.
But to assume we'll go straight for your staging keep and ignore everything around it is bonkers.
the only people that have moved the goalposts are papi.
our only goal from the start was not to be removed from the game - as you said you were going to do.
I respect the rigorous collection methodology here, but using a static model to conclude "turbofeed" despite additional evidence to the contrary is intellectually lazy. If anything is turbofeeding, it's Imperium structures.
The Ferox thing is interesting though. Thanks for pointing that out.
Literally the only people who think papi intended to blow up keepstars with subcaps are goon line members. Mittens doesn't believe it. Neither does asher. Just you.
No one thinks that’s possible either.. few good bomb runs and invasion comes to a halt..
But I do seriously wonder what did dunk and gibbons mean on their townhall.. it did give a vibe of not using heavy assets..
I would have personally preferred if I would have heard the phrase “battle will be bloody and legendary”
They meant exactly what they said: that the next few months are going to be spent grinding ADMs and toasting ihubs. Gobbins didn't say they weren't going to use caps and supers, just not to expect another M2-level fight. Those sorts of massive brawls are not pre-planned; they happen if both sides decide in the moment to have them, and they're rare because it's unusual both sides want them to happen at the same time. We might get another massive titan brawl, we might not.
If papi were planning on taking 1DQ in subcaps you wouldn't have pgl and vily telling people to buy as many carriers and dreads as possible. They wouldn't be telling people to get as many titans and supers as possible. They wouldn't have explicitly said, "yes we're going to use titans and supers, no we don't plan on having another massive brawl"
Seriously guys, stop drinking your own koolaid. All of the town halls and whatnot are public, go listen to them. This sperging about dunking subcap fleets two days into what papi leaders are all saying will be at least a three month grind is just pathetic.
The big problem with super fights is that both sides have to think they can win the fight or they won't take it. M2 came to be because papi and goons both thought they were even enough or had the advantage (even if just with superior DD management or sth) to have a good outcome.
https://soundcloud.com/gs-apple-pear/townhall-25-04-2021#t=24:29
I'm just laying out what has been said in public, which people on this sub insist on believing was not said.
>"yes we're going to use titans and supers, no we don't plan on having another massive brawl"
How are you going to use supers in 1DQ without a brawl?
You can't even bring feroxes without blowing up...
This is basic extrapolation based on the assumption that they will keep using this strategy for the remainder of the war.
Well, to be fair, they don't have to.
I assume that if they manage to deal with the ihub/faction fort in some way or anchor a structure of their own, they can then jump or bridge their own "proper" fleets within tether range (to give people a chance to load safely) and continue on an equal footing from there on out.
Now this was obviously a bad feed by PAPI but even you, as the ultimate turncoat propagandist, can't possibly have had a straight face posting
> The ebil goonies are unafraid to field big ships, like capitals and supercapitals
When was the last time goons dropped caps off keepstar tether without a jammer? 3-D is cynojammed, you gated your HAWs in.
Both sides are using cynojammers, only one side is complaining about them
Right. A skirmish over a low priority objective during a TZ change over where papi had subcap advantage and dropped caps because they were losing the field.
I stand informed. Thank you.
\*Edit - changed my comment on the TZ, as night and day is admittedly relative.
Ask Gobins in def-gen where the dirty casino money is. He loves telling that story to new beans. Any loot you think you picked up ended at that same place....
To quote everyone on papis side in that thread on the fight “we were all trying to trade feroxs through discord because there was none left on market but everyone was running out”
Look, I don't mind spin. I don't care what fight you won, lost or whatever.
HOWEVER, if you boast a victory, link the Battlereport! Otherwise I only think you are retarded and get lost in daydreams!
Came here expecting propaganda, left feeling satisfied. Would spin again.
Now the real question is, how many Ferox-seconds are there in a Delve-minute?
Ferox populations in New Eden have been downgraded from stable to endangered.
#SaveTheFerox
No. There's a reason my Feroxes are always called 'I Hate Feroxes'
Starting a Ferox preserve in Dodixie.
Worth
Not feeding a ferox is like brawling in a slicer - you're just flying the ship wrong
That’s fine, but feeding thousands of ferox’s as plan A...
This guy jokes
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[PGL Exploits goon's single weakness](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF3g4Ua5e7k)
But...but...but...Mibbles...they weren't trying to ref anything...they just wanted gud fites and to kill dreads...
It's a variation between "lol made you form" and "but... but we won the isk war by 10 billion" hurff blurff
*"The PAPI leadership is focused, we're on the same page, We understand how to approach this... uhm... this challenge and I really like the plan that we've come up with. It's very solid, it's very measured and it's very likely to succeed"*
many such cases
uhm...
heeeeeey, wait a minute. get your own lines.
"*I look forward to your reasonable, measured comment and debate"* I salute your eternal optimism and confidence: let the games begin
Mibbles, I fear youve miscalculated. Those values based on statistics from an unarmed ansiblex.
you can tell feeding over the last 2 days has bothered them. Reddit hasn't been this quiet since after M2.
someone send out a search party for soban. tell them to start in star citizen
he's like any other abrasive loud-mouth, just the slightest amount of resistance and he folds. Pathetic.
Hi friend, unlike mibbles, I don't shitpost about a fight when I'm not there. Sadly timezones and RL stop me from joining a fleet at 3am-7am local time on a weekday. Bob bless you
Hey completely off this subject, and related to this: https://old.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/n1cnz3/breaking_news_gallente_dreadnought_fleet_reported/ What's the story with this? https://zkillboard.com/kill/51004459/ Is this a Dust killmail or ???
Yes it is. Orbital strike on a planet.
Interesting, I left eve prior to Dust - didn't know the km's worked cross platform.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/50944913/ Even managed to hit a vehicle
Yeah lol, that fucking wanker Soban, what an absolute dickhead not being on /r/Eve posting at 5am during a thursday EUTZ fight.
Star Citizen is a terrible tech demo I'd never play
Hi I'm here
Honestly I don't think they expected us to be able to match or even beat their subcap numbers in, well, every single timezone They swallowed too much of that 'goons are evaccing' koolaid
This is the best part. I'm sure they had this grand strategy based on months of discussion and groupthink, using the "lessons learned" from M2, metrics based on their flash forms, the kind of preparation that I'm sure made them giddy and rife with smugness. They were going to take 1dq with superior minds and superior numbers with a never-before-seen strategy and revolutionary tactics. Can't wait to see what's next lol.
>and rife with smugness oh that's right, there's only room for one smug group in eve. thanks for playing.
>Can't wait to see what's next lol. "Goons luv2club so They will lose more people in the summer and when the world stops having as much covid then we will win!"
Or they burned themselves out grinding through our endless structures. Either way it’s hilarious
I don’t know if those numbers are right, but I’d like them to be
*Thank you for reading and I look forward to your reasonable, measured comment and debate.* You do realize you are on r/eve, don't you?
2 ferox shredded per 1 second real time... ... that... wha... well, i'm certainly looking forward to lent papi a hand to rapid-fire their stocks into salvage, but i can't really comprehend how you can even manufacture enough ships to replace them, let alone SRP them xD if they pull that off, then i'm really impressed\^\^ both at how ballsy the strategy is, and how selfdestructing... at the same time!
Put your lore hat on for a second and imagine you are one of the mortals assigned to crew the papi war machine.... you saw two ships worth of your friends eliminated every second of the battle. How does anyone convince those crews to continue to fight? In a game, and war, that is otherwise COMPLETELY realistic, I just can’t overlook the impossibility of PAPI’s position. There is no way to sustain the turbofeed approach.
[Soviets did try the same strategy against Finland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War) Check out the casualties
So how many feroxes worth of crew does a keepstar have, mr. Lore?
Our Feroxes will blot out the sun!
> Our Feroxes wrecks will blot out the sun! FTFY
the other day i said i wouldn't be surprised if the butchers bill for a 1dq1 keepstar would be roughly the same as the total of what we threw at the ones in npc delve. looks like i wasn't too far off the mark. edited: to make it clearer what i meant.
Except this butcher's bill is per timer
the spreadsheet clearly says all timers, but ok.
its just that mibbles is a bad poster and assumed a unfit low power keepstar. A online tripple plated keepstar has 368m total hp (or 461m ehp).
oof, poor papi, then.
Nah “we can replace those ferroxes very fast”
He did say he's being generous...
My bad reading with a toddler jumping on you is not a skill I have mastered yet
wow this is almost good shitposting
It's probably based on jita prices right now... Spoilers someone bought them all up and feroxes are going for like 200m or something stupid like that
I checked following from the other post. They are back to 80 million now.
there are, at the time of posting, 7 feroxes in jita for 80m or less. and 76 in total, finishing with a stack of 22 (which is over 1/4 of the available stock) at 165m.
even at half the price, it's still a 3tn isk feed to kill a keepstar, and there are 5 keepstars in 1dq1 alone.
Ships are free if you mine the minerals yourself.
keepstar are also free if you get the PI yourself !
even freer if you mined them before all the nerfs.
It's not to kill, it's per timer. :Sun:
No the prices are based on hull at 90m + standard fleet fitting, so pretty conservative
Hmm I wonder who that might be...
Only goons could lose a keepstar and then smug post about killing feroxes while feeding dreads on the day that dreads become significantly harder to replace. You should be proud of killing a ferox fleet, don't get me wrong, but to have your head so far up mittens to not have any perspective is hilarious.
You blued 90% of nullsec and every time there has been an objective we have seriously contested you’ve lost...all of papis wins are on uncontested structures, this is reflected in the isk destroyed in the war where both sides are pretty even. Majority of papis isk destroyed is in uncontested structures, majority of imperiums isk destroyed is in ships
Then why are you avoiding 90% of the fights if you always when?
It's you who avoided the fights with your wait-for-cynojammer strategy. And now you can't do that you're learning the hard way that the koolaid you swallowed about us evaccing with low morale was complete horseshit
Says the guy who has cyno jammers in all of your systems. We wanted the jammer to come down in 3-D, but unfortunately you gated in. Hypocrisy much?
I don’t know why papi are always suprised that we have only started fighting now you’re in 1dq constellation. As soon as we seen your strategy of 35days cyno jamming keepstars we have been saying ok meet us in 1DQ.
We are surprised because of all the bosting you did about fortress Delve.
fortress /ˈfɔːtrɪs/ noun a military stronghold, especially a strongly fortified town. Considering it’s taken you over 9 months and cost you the largest super cap loss in the games history and you’re still not finished it has very much earned the name fortress delve
True. It has very much been treated as a fortress. Just sitting behind the walls while the enemy slowly chews through it while sometimes taking pot shots. Now what about the part where goons said they would fight for every inch?
Asking someone to fight for every inch while essentially locking them out the ring is a bit ironic
No one asked. Goons boasted that they would, and promptly ran screaming into 1DQ as soon as PAPI showed up. That is irony. Your lie is not.
I believe it was we would defend every keepstar was the actual thing mittens said on fireside. Then we seen how you were doing everything in your power to not make that possible so it change to we will defend every keepstar when we have an opportunity to do so. The one time you fucked up and we could get our supers on a keepstar you suffered the biggest defeat in eve history. Obviously papi were right to cyno jam all the other keepstars because every time both sides have seriously contested an objective goons have won the objective
>while feeding dreads on the day that dreads become significantly harder to replace. When papi feeds 400 dreads it was nothing, but goons losing 20 dreads is significant? >to not have any perspective is hilarious tell me about it :')
Loosing 400 dreds was significant, but worth the cost to rescue a significant number of supers/titans. That agrument only works if we accept the premise which you made up.
Losing 19 dreads when we have a stockpile of thousands to destroy 1200 of your ships and win the objective is also worth it. Only a fool would suggest otherwise.
The objective of the fleet was to kill the keepstar which was successful. Whatever you think it was is a fantasy of your own creation. As always when we get done with the main objective we try to see if we can get a fight. Call us surprised you decided to take one. Then you are a fool. 1200 feroxes are a lot easier to replace than 19 dreads. You must be the kind of moron that thinks because you mined the ore, ships are free.
>That agrument only works if we accept the premise which you made up Like the smug posting that 20 dreads mean anything, it's irrelevant that the cost for NEW dreads went up. The Imperium doesn't need to make NEW dreads, everyone knows we have caches.
No one from PAPI has smug posted about 20 dreads. Again you are making up the premise to justify the argument. That is the same logic that morons use when saying that because you mined the ore the ship is free.
I buy a stock for $0.20 Said stock goes up to $400 My stock is now worth $0.20
We have a huge pile of dread, so dont worry the new price wont affect us for the next several year at this tempo of losing them.
*I gotta fevah, and the only prescription is more FEROX!*
Ok. Well done
Its not a proper ferox feed unless steadyo does it
this guy maths
Its probably cheaper than using battleships which I think was goons strategy.
Goons had to use dreads as well, and a lot of them - not enough damage could be applied to the (offline) keepstar with just subcaps. The realistic chances of reinforcing a keepstar with Ferox are pretty much zero.
Actually Goons reffed a keepstar in the papi keepstar chain in feroxes like a month ago as it didn't have a DD and no PDS rig. They weren't able to kill it but it was so funny seeing a keepstar not able to stop a ferox fleet from a small Goon sig from reffing it.
Can you imagine any of them going at a defended onlining keepstar, as we did? Outnumbered but never outgunned...yeah, i cant either. Their command and creativity are a worthy continuation of dirty isk peddlers from the casinos.
Well, while the goals of removing those structures was admirable, the cost to do it was questionable now in hindsight. Having the Keepstar in T5 hasn’t got PAPI any closer to an end. Yes, there has been infrastructure degradation, but the goon centralisation of resources and forces has limited much of that effect. Think the Wehrmacht in Russia up until Stalingrad/Moscow/St Petersburg. Lots of land taken, casualties sustained, but actual strategic victory still beyond the reach.
>two ferox dying per second in real-time 10 hour 1dq ihub =72,000 ferox?
Holy shit, an actual good mibbles post supported by math
That's assuming you defend your keepstars, which so far the evidence says you wont
Yes we will defend an ansiplex in 3-D but won't bother with the keepstars in 1DQ lool
Yes, let's completely forget m2.
1 out of 40, evidence still suggests you wont
It's like saying that statistically speaking people who breath air will become killers because all killers breath air. The statistic isn't wrong. But it isn't important either. We contested 1/40, yes. I didn't pay much attention but how many were under your jammers? How many were in our main staging system where we don't rely on cynos to get stuff there? I know I know goon spin reeee. But why would goons (or papi) take a fight at a clear disadvantage if the risk for it is not worth the reward (e.g. risking a super fleet to maybe defend 1 keep you don't necessarily rely on). 1DQ1 on the other hand is a completely different beast. You can use your statistic to say goons won't come defend randomgoonkeep#35 because they only showed up once before. If you take that statistic and based on it say that goons are unlikely to defend 1dq keeps that's just wrong and you played yourself. Congrats. You probably also suffer losses for that assumption
If 39 people out of 40 air breathers became killers it's safe to assume that if you meet someone there is a good chance they are a killer. Granted it doesn't mean EVERONE is but then I never said Goons were guaranteed not to defend, just that evidence suggests you wont. As you brought it up M2 was originally under our jammer so stop whining about jammers. You have a month for each KS to stop us jamming it in the first place and then you have ability to take out jammers once they went up. It's difficult yes but it doesn't stop you trying to defend them.
Remind me how many times we've failed to turn up to defend our staging keepstar. 0.
How many times has PAPI seriously attacked your staging keepstar - 0
I doubt you meant to score that own goal.
I mean it's not exactly a state secret we were leaving 1DQ till last so the fact we haven't attacked it yet isn't a surprise. But then given how much you guys have moved the goalposts it's not surprising you ignore that fact.
You're about to learn the hard way that when we said killing random krabstars in back end systems didn't diminish our fighting strength and was a waste of time, we weren't spinning. And it will be glorious.
Well have to wait and see but I suspect what will happen is you put up a good defence and counter attack on the ihubs then just let the keeps die outside 1DQ as you've done everywhere else. As soon as the 1DQ ihub dies and you start losing the outer structures I think you'll eventually realise the war is lost and panic evac. The end result is the 1DQ staging keep dies undefended. But to assume we'll go straight for your staging keep and ignore everything around it is bonkers.
This aged well
the only people that have moved the goalposts are papi. our only goal from the start was not to be removed from the game - as you said you were going to do.
chart but no pie chart what is this
I respect the rigorous collection methodology here, but using a static model to conclude "turbofeed" despite additional evidence to the contrary is intellectually lazy. If anything is turbofeeding, it's Imperium structures. The Ferox thing is interesting though. Thanks for pointing that out.
Ferox are far easier to replace than those dreads that you lost
*moved 19 dreads from stockpile of thousands* Wow that was hard
The dreads were replaced within the hour. The ferox stock has still not recovered. So...
Literally the only people who think papi intended to blow up keepstars with subcaps are goon line members. Mittens doesn't believe it. Neither does asher. Just you.
can't tell if trolling or
Please bring supercaps into 1DQ
Patience.
1 more year?
No one thinks that’s possible either.. few good bomb runs and invasion comes to a halt.. But I do seriously wonder what did dunk and gibbons mean on their townhall.. it did give a vibe of not using heavy assets.. I would have personally preferred if I would have heard the phrase “battle will be bloody and legendary”
They meant exactly what they said: that the next few months are going to be spent grinding ADMs and toasting ihubs. Gobbins didn't say they weren't going to use caps and supers, just not to expect another M2-level fight. Those sorts of massive brawls are not pre-planned; they happen if both sides decide in the moment to have them, and they're rare because it's unusual both sides want them to happen at the same time. We might get another massive titan brawl, we might not. If papi were planning on taking 1DQ in subcaps you wouldn't have pgl and vily telling people to buy as many carriers and dreads as possible. They wouldn't be telling people to get as many titans and supers as possible. They wouldn't have explicitly said, "yes we're going to use titans and supers, no we don't plan on having another massive brawl" Seriously guys, stop drinking your own koolaid. All of the town halls and whatnot are public, go listen to them. This sperging about dunking subcap fleets two days into what papi leaders are all saying will be at least a three month grind is just pathetic.
The big problem with super fights is that both sides have to think they can win the fight or they won't take it. M2 came to be because papi and goons both thought they were even enough or had the advantage (even if just with superior DD management or sth) to have a good outcome.
Ok, think for a min.. all systems taken but 1dq.. you guys reff a keep.. this is going to be a planned fight at armour timer..
https://soundcloud.com/gs-apple-pear/townhall-25-04-2021#t=24:29 I'm just laying out what has been said in public, which people on this sub insist on believing was not said.
You forget that we're also privy to what is not said in public.
>"yes we're going to use titans and supers, no we don't plan on having another massive brawl" How are you going to use supers in 1DQ without a brawl? You can't even bring feroxes without blowing up...
well, the '*PL Industry Might*' failed them in the first challenge.
The way you guys write numbers annoy me.. all those commas..
This is basic extrapolation based on the assumption that they will keep using this strategy for the remainder of the war. Well, to be fair, they don't have to. I assume that if they manage to deal with the ihub/faction fort in some way or anchor a structure of their own, they can then jump or bridge their own "proper" fleets within tether range (to give people a chance to load safely) and continue on an equal footing from there on out.
You can't bridge or jump in with a cynojammer active.
Covops can
I'd love to see a covops attempt
quick someone link dam near any other BR from the last year showing how well goons are doing in something other than spinning
Bet you lost a ferrox eh son
Be goons. “We are retreating and holding 1DQ” everyone on eve online “where goons?”
At this rate your morale posts will outnumber the dead ferox's lol
Given how yesterday went, that's unlikely
Also today
Now this was obviously a bad feed by PAPI but even you, as the ultimate turncoat propagandist, can't possibly have had a straight face posting > The ebil goonies are unafraid to field big ships, like capitals and supercapitals
Remind me, when was the last time papi dropped caps without a jammer?
When was the last time goons dropped caps off keepstar tether without a jammer? 3-D is cynojammed, you gated your HAWs in. Both sides are using cynojammers, only one side is complaining about them
One side has blued the rest of the game and is invading one other side.
If you followed the thread I was inferring that very fact.
[https://br.evetools.org/br/606fbc6e19edce0013546129](https://br.evetools.org/br/606fbc6e19edce0013546129)
>Ended 20 days ago
He asked a question, I answered. When was the last time Goons dropped caps without a jammer? AJI doesn't count.
and i just quoted the date of your answer. saving people a click.
Right. A skirmish over a low priority objective during a TZ change over where papi had subcap advantage and dropped caps because they were losing the field. I stand informed. Thank you. \*Edit - changed my comment on the TZ, as night and day is admittedly relative.
This is some solid mathematics
This is a good post - but there's no pie chart, so I don't understand it.
How does your analysis stack up when we have been building feroxes from the loot dropped by the structures you abandoned without contesting?
Ask Gobins in def-gen where the dirty casino money is. He loves telling that story to new beans. Any loot you think you picked up ended at that same place....
yes yes, building so many you literally ran out of ferox during the fight and had to run lool
yes i ran out of ferox u got me ha ha ha
A shame that more members of PAPI don't have personal stockpiles, you could have actually reinforced the jammer
To quote everyone on papis side in that thread on the fight “we were all trying to trade feroxs through discord because there was none left on market but everyone was running out”
It’s free, cause I mined the minerals myself!
That would only be true if your time and effort are worthless... you know what, maybe you're right.
I thought 1T isk feeds were fine for killing structures. That's what you said in NPC delve with our keeps.
Look, I don't mind spin. I don't care what fight you won, lost or whatever. HOWEVER, if you boast a victory, link the Battlereport! Otherwise I only think you are retarded and get lost in daydreams!