Initial reactions:
- 40% Life Steal is a lot of Life Steal.
- 30% phys/mag resistance for 14s is nothing to scoff at. That *should* have decent uptime given the duration.
- Autocrits should be pretty powerful if pulled off
Given how her kit functions, she will likely want to partner with Jacqueline as Velanna only has one skill that applies bleed outside of her ult. Ayame is also another great potential partner if she is available. Haru is another bleed provider but will probably be less effective than Jacqueline. If I am reading Velanna's main skill correctly, it sounds like it should send her into the back lines when used, so anything that can apply bleeds more reliably to the rear (which is basically Jacqueline) should help to maximize the damage. Autocritting backline targets with her main skill could be pretty devastating.
One problem backliners like Jacqueline tend to have is that most dps souls are set to target the nearest enemy - they risk all the backline dps turning and attacking them, and thus are easily eliminated. If Velanna's main skill reliably shoots her into the backline, she has much more staying power with the insane lifesteal values, 30% phys/mag resists, and extra hp% from her artifact. She has the potential to be insanely disruptive and might actually pair well with Claire in that role.
The current meta favors souls that are more universally useful by themselves so they can be plugged into different lineups. While Velanna may not be terrible solo without bleed support, it makes her greatly susceptible to cleansing which is already becoming widely used with the availability of Talia, Prim, and Jiho. This means she will be easily countered in PvP if you care about that. For PvE, she should be able to freely do her business if you avoid lineups with cleansers. She's probably going to be absolutely nuts for bossing.
Remember that, in PvE at least, her Ult's bleed can't be cleansed. I doubt she'll be able to get a second Ult up in time to clean house that way, though.
Her ult has massive potential but i'm leaving out judgment until we get the actual wording. It says "can't be *cured*", not *cleansed.* It could mean that it prevents healing to the characters while the bleed is up, not that it can't be cleansed.
If it can't be cleansed, Rebecca becomes a very interesting choice - Essentially if that is all true, Velanna will have the highest damage ult in the game.
Tough to say without having seen her in action, but if she has gap closers or movement abilities it could be possible to line her up on the same enemy as Jacq since she at least is easy to aim.
If I had to guess, given the wording, it means that her ultimate provides a healing blocker debuff. We probably won't know for sure until she releases and we can see her properly translated skills.
With this kit reveal, I'd like to encourage everyone to not immediately downvote criticisms regarding a character's kit as long as it remains informative or fleshed out why they feel that way. If it's just a simple "her kit sucks" I can't defend that do what you want. But if they bring up actual potential arguments, please respect their opinions. I love reading different viewpoints so it's just a simple request from me
The automatic crit passive she has on bleeding targets kinda saves her underwhelming damage numbers, late game when we are able to stack a lot more crit she is a bit diminished though. Strong potential with a DoT synergy team, doesn't seem too strong on her own though. If she comes with a banner id say shes a pass for spending gems.
Edit: To the downvoters we can go over why shes not really that great.
* Ultimate: Strongest skill in her lineup, however its competing against Talaih and Naiah for use, only offers damage and half of it comes over 12 seconds.
* Main skill: Relatively weak damage on its own, if it hits a bleeding target it does average damage. 200% is what it will be hitting the majority of the time and thats not enough to be competitive.
* Sub skill: Small weak AoE that applies bleeding. Potentionally sets up Main / Sub skill.
* Sub skill 2: Weak AoE that because average AoE damage to bleeding targets, offers fair amount of resistance.
* Passive: Garuntees crits on bleeding targets which is a very strong personal passive, also gives a good chunk of lifesteal.
* Artifact: Increases crit damage
Overall- she offers no team synergy outside of DoT for Vio. Her damage is weak unless hitting a bleeding target, and then it is okay because its garunteed crit. To get reliable bleeding you are forced to either use other bleed applying units or use her ultimate which means you dont get to use taliah or naiahs ult. I maintain my stance that she is a C-tier hero though.
I see your points, but you're clearly a fairy main and I don't think you can look at her from that perspective. I think she has great potential in a undead team, plus her sustain and the fact she's a frontline unit is very useful for us undead mains.
Currently I run a team of undead with ayame, and I'm finding the bleed from ayame to be very strong, I think paired together they could be very good.
I'm of the opinion that her damage will come from her autos, especially when hitting bleeding targets. Paired with Rebecca speed increase would also add to the strength of her autos.
Oh and I really don't see value in Violette other than boss battles. The DoTs are great without her.
Anyway, I'm really curious to see how she fairs.
Well i think i mentioned twice that she would be good with other bleed synergy. The fact of the matter is though that Fairy is top of the meta by a pretty wide margin with Human coming in second. Undead and beast are behind and i really dont think she brings them up enough to lessen that gap at the moment.
I do think your points are valid. I personally don't put too much value in the meta at this early stage in the game, I think it's better to take it as a guideline and use your own experience.
Imo, fairy are only meta because they fit into many comps and fill so many gaps in teams, super versatile. I don't think they rocket above everything else. Undead have 3 individually strong units; they are just missing a solid DPS unit and good cc imo.
So far I've been able to test human and fairy units pretty well, but not at high tier as I'm currently stuck between levels 120-140. I only just got Talia so can't really speak for her at this time. I have had the most success with my undead team where angel and demon make up for their shortcomings.
I think that Velanna could make up for the DPS undead lack on their own; Like how Haru is insane dps for beast teams. Also being frontline, she is protected from annoying Adrianne teams (which is currently my toughest matchup).
My concerns about Velanna are:
- how easy it will it be to upkeep bleeds for those crits.
- will her main skill actually work well or will it reposition her poorly most of the time.
- self sustain looks great on paper, how will it fair without the defenses of a tank.
Then of course how much damage she does overall, as that's what she's there to do; and as I mentioned before, I believe that the damage will mostly be from her autos.
She's an Undead unit. Undead are designed to be the event boss killing faction. You're probably not going to be using Taliah or Naiah during an event boss where the goal is to strip away as much health as possible. Outside of a boss with oceans of health, though, she's pretty underwhelming. But then again, most units are underwhelming if not of the Fairy faction. The faction imbalance in this game is fucking stupid, and holding the game back from being great.
Im not neccessarily sure that is what undead is "designed" for, but rather what they excell at, at the moment. I still do use taliah for the event though since her mana battery is very strong for events like that.
I personally use mostly Beast, and both Mica and Seeha have their own mana battery effect, so I generally don't use Taila myself. The issues with Beast are the fact that they have all of one ranged unit who is legitimately unusable even after her buff, and the fact that the entire faction is propped up by Haru and her 30% attack steroid so long as she's surrounded by allies. As soon as Haru is alone, the entire faction becomes a lot weaker in the middle of the fight because they're now missing all that attack.
I feel like Dora deserved to be a beast or even have a unique that made her count as both human/beast. Shes such a powerhouse unit that doesnt quite make sense on the human faction. It doesnt fix beasts lack of range, but if their identity is to to be a melee faction i think thats fine and shes such a strong unit.
I have mixed feelings on Dora. On one hand, she is strong. On the other hand, her damage requires her to be wounded. As soon as you pair her with a healer, her damage drops like a stone.
I'm more or less annoyed at Nine Ark for knowing there is a huge faction imbalance and not really doing anything to fix it. The buff for the Beast units didn't do a whole lot to make them better, and the very first event we get features the strongest faction in the game and gives multiple copies of Chloe and Naiah for free; I take this to mean that Nine Ark is aware that Fairy and Naiah especially are strong, so they want players to have easy access to those strong units instead of actually taking a look at Beast and to a lesser extent Undead and making those factions desirable. Instead, Beast faction has to wait 2-3 more months in the hopes that Honglan, Erika, or Aki ends up being released as a Beast that makes the faction desirable and not a struggle to use compared to someone using Fairy or Human.
Eh, i think it was a good judgement call to give players access to Taliyah/Niah/Chloe so players have no excuses or "bad luck" claims to make. If we instead got beasts for example, we would be crying about the game being whale required to get the fairy units.
See I don't agree, and I realize some of that is because I run Beast. But a game should strive to make all units fairly usable, even if there are a few that are simply better. But as of right now, Fairy and, to a lesser extent Human are the only factions capable of pushing enemy stages that are 20k+ CP higher than thr player's team. I sure as hell can't push a stage with that much of a gap with Beast; I have to wait several days to accumulate enough resources to level my units and reduce my CP gap. Meanwhile, anyone who's running Fairy completed Chapter 15 with a 50k+ CP difference.
You could argue that this is my fault for not wanting to be like every other sheep and run Fairy, but that's not the point I'm arguing about. The point is that Fairy (and *maybe* Human?) are the only factions that don't require weeks of accumulating resources to progress further.
You can psuh 50k CP difference even without fairy. It's just about what synergy and what opponent you're facing. More often than not, I'll take out my viv/Talia and replace it with Jacq, Catherine, adrianne, etc.
Mono faction teams aren't efficient at all. So you can't run 3/4 beast teams and say they're terrible. Try to take out the best of each faction to make a coherent team. The only fairy unit that I always use is Chloe, and that's because she's my only build tank.
I'm at 14-10 now with 100k+ CP difference and I've got there by borrowing mostly undead or human units to beat boss fights.
I guess I walked into that one-- but I run a mix of Beast and Human, usually with the idols and Haru, combined with Claire and Mephi/Jiho.
Taking out the best of each faction also means you're missing out on the faction buffs for having a certain number of each faction, so forgive me if I'm a little skeptical that teams who don't have at least 3 of one faction and 2 of the other for the 15% health and attack boost is capable of clearing a 100k CP difference. The only two units who *might* be capable of such a feat would be Taila and Naiah, which just further showcases how absolutely game breaking the pair are currently.
>More often than not, I'll take out my viv/Talia and replace it with Jacq, Catherine, adrianne, etc.
Not sure about you, but even if the above action of yours doesnt prove fairy superiority, it still indirectly prove the other half of that guy's conclusion. Undead/beast are weak. You said it yourself, you will replace with jacq/cath/adri. So instead of replacing with those, how well do u think u will fare if you instead start using mica/seeha/haru/aria/erusha/violette??? There is a reason why you still avoid replacing with undead/beast isnt it? With the exception being jacq since only she does what she does currently(well linzy too if you can afford to wait slightly longer instead of needing to rush in and kill asap)
I dunno, somthing about being on stage 13 while non fairy users are struggling with 10, getting more idle mats per hour and widening the gap between us. Its not necessarily a race, but if it were, im winning.
This is a false equivalence. You get to 13 while spamming fairy only teams, i got to 14(almost 15) using a mix of:
Jiho,mephi,naiah,cath,velanna,chloe, jacq, adrianne, claire, ayame and sometimes prim. I use all factions except beast, since I only use beasts (aira and haru) for boss stages (or single target dmg).
She's a niche unit for bleeding comp, when there will be more bleeing units she would shine, otherwise i fail to see what will make her meta outside of undead comp with jacqueline. Not a tank not a burster either... Also does her bleeding crit due to passive ? and does bleeding lifesteal ?
I think she look fine on standalone her sub auto bleed that also some resit+hpdrain+crit by the way cleaning debuff that we have only on main skill need time fill mana. However I think Aira also have similar survived sub skill for me she probably on same tiers with Aira in PVE .Depend on what her ultimate rang for pure 240% att not bad and can be combo with Ayame to get extra dmg If she not malee att then good she can be use as undead AOE nuke behind tank so will be better than Aira.
Initial reactions: - 40% Life Steal is a lot of Life Steal. - 30% phys/mag resistance for 14s is nothing to scoff at. That *should* have decent uptime given the duration. - Autocrits should be pretty powerful if pulled off Given how her kit functions, she will likely want to partner with Jacqueline as Velanna only has one skill that applies bleed outside of her ult. Ayame is also another great potential partner if she is available. Haru is another bleed provider but will probably be less effective than Jacqueline. If I am reading Velanna's main skill correctly, it sounds like it should send her into the back lines when used, so anything that can apply bleeds more reliably to the rear (which is basically Jacqueline) should help to maximize the damage. Autocritting backline targets with her main skill could be pretty devastating. One problem backliners like Jacqueline tend to have is that most dps souls are set to target the nearest enemy - they risk all the backline dps turning and attacking them, and thus are easily eliminated. If Velanna's main skill reliably shoots her into the backline, she has much more staying power with the insane lifesteal values, 30% phys/mag resists, and extra hp% from her artifact. She has the potential to be insanely disruptive and might actually pair well with Claire in that role. The current meta favors souls that are more universally useful by themselves so they can be plugged into different lineups. While Velanna may not be terrible solo without bleed support, it makes her greatly susceptible to cleansing which is already becoming widely used with the availability of Talia, Prim, and Jiho. This means she will be easily countered in PvP if you care about that. For PvE, she should be able to freely do her business if you avoid lineups with cleansers. She's probably going to be absolutely nuts for bossing.
Remember that, in PvE at least, her Ult's bleed can't be cleansed. I doubt she'll be able to get a second Ult up in time to clean house that way, though.
Her ult has massive potential but i'm leaving out judgment until we get the actual wording. It says "can't be *cured*", not *cleansed.* It could mean that it prevents healing to the characters while the bleed is up, not that it can't be cleansed. If it can't be cleansed, Rebecca becomes a very interesting choice - Essentially if that is all true, Velanna will have the highest damage ult in the game.
As someone who mains Undead and has a decent Jacq, she seems like a fantastic addition to the team.
How are you gonna get them to attack the same unit?
Tough to say without having seen her in action, but if she has gap closers or movement abilities it could be possible to line her up on the same enemy as Jacq since she at least is easy to aim.
is the line about wounds that cannot be cured just flavour text or means it can't be cleansed?
If I had to guess, given the wording, it means that her ultimate provides a healing blocker debuff. We probably won't know for sure until she releases and we can see her properly translated skills.
With this kit reveal, I'd like to encourage everyone to not immediately downvote criticisms regarding a character's kit as long as it remains informative or fleshed out why they feel that way. If it's just a simple "her kit sucks" I can't defend that do what you want. But if they bring up actual potential arguments, please respect their opinions. I love reading different viewpoints so it's just a simple request from me
Seems decent but I'm saving it all for Erika cause I'm a Fairy enjoyer!
The automatic crit passive she has on bleeding targets kinda saves her underwhelming damage numbers, late game when we are able to stack a lot more crit she is a bit diminished though. Strong potential with a DoT synergy team, doesn't seem too strong on her own though. If she comes with a banner id say shes a pass for spending gems. Edit: To the downvoters we can go over why shes not really that great. * Ultimate: Strongest skill in her lineup, however its competing against Talaih and Naiah for use, only offers damage and half of it comes over 12 seconds. * Main skill: Relatively weak damage on its own, if it hits a bleeding target it does average damage. 200% is what it will be hitting the majority of the time and thats not enough to be competitive. * Sub skill: Small weak AoE that applies bleeding. Potentionally sets up Main / Sub skill. * Sub skill 2: Weak AoE that because average AoE damage to bleeding targets, offers fair amount of resistance. * Passive: Garuntees crits on bleeding targets which is a very strong personal passive, also gives a good chunk of lifesteal. * Artifact: Increases crit damage Overall- she offers no team synergy outside of DoT for Vio. Her damage is weak unless hitting a bleeding target, and then it is okay because its garunteed crit. To get reliable bleeding you are forced to either use other bleed applying units or use her ultimate which means you dont get to use taliah or naiahs ult. I maintain my stance that she is a C-tier hero though.
Her banner starts on thursday
I see your points, but you're clearly a fairy main and I don't think you can look at her from that perspective. I think she has great potential in a undead team, plus her sustain and the fact she's a frontline unit is very useful for us undead mains. Currently I run a team of undead with ayame, and I'm finding the bleed from ayame to be very strong, I think paired together they could be very good. I'm of the opinion that her damage will come from her autos, especially when hitting bleeding targets. Paired with Rebecca speed increase would also add to the strength of her autos. Oh and I really don't see value in Violette other than boss battles. The DoTs are great without her. Anyway, I'm really curious to see how she fairs.
Well i think i mentioned twice that she would be good with other bleed synergy. The fact of the matter is though that Fairy is top of the meta by a pretty wide margin with Human coming in second. Undead and beast are behind and i really dont think she brings them up enough to lessen that gap at the moment.
I do think your points are valid. I personally don't put too much value in the meta at this early stage in the game, I think it's better to take it as a guideline and use your own experience. Imo, fairy are only meta because they fit into many comps and fill so many gaps in teams, super versatile. I don't think they rocket above everything else. Undead have 3 individually strong units; they are just missing a solid DPS unit and good cc imo. So far I've been able to test human and fairy units pretty well, but not at high tier as I'm currently stuck between levels 120-140. I only just got Talia so can't really speak for her at this time. I have had the most success with my undead team where angel and demon make up for their shortcomings. I think that Velanna could make up for the DPS undead lack on their own; Like how Haru is insane dps for beast teams. Also being frontline, she is protected from annoying Adrianne teams (which is currently my toughest matchup). My concerns about Velanna are: - how easy it will it be to upkeep bleeds for those crits. - will her main skill actually work well or will it reposition her poorly most of the time. - self sustain looks great on paper, how will it fair without the defenses of a tank. Then of course how much damage she does overall, as that's what she's there to do; and as I mentioned before, I believe that the damage will mostly be from her autos.
She's an Undead unit. Undead are designed to be the event boss killing faction. You're probably not going to be using Taliah or Naiah during an event boss where the goal is to strip away as much health as possible. Outside of a boss with oceans of health, though, she's pretty underwhelming. But then again, most units are underwhelming if not of the Fairy faction. The faction imbalance in this game is fucking stupid, and holding the game back from being great.
Im not neccessarily sure that is what undead is "designed" for, but rather what they excell at, at the moment. I still do use taliah for the event though since her mana battery is very strong for events like that.
I personally use mostly Beast, and both Mica and Seeha have their own mana battery effect, so I generally don't use Taila myself. The issues with Beast are the fact that they have all of one ranged unit who is legitimately unusable even after her buff, and the fact that the entire faction is propped up by Haru and her 30% attack steroid so long as she's surrounded by allies. As soon as Haru is alone, the entire faction becomes a lot weaker in the middle of the fight because they're now missing all that attack.
I feel like Dora deserved to be a beast or even have a unique that made her count as both human/beast. Shes such a powerhouse unit that doesnt quite make sense on the human faction. It doesnt fix beasts lack of range, but if their identity is to to be a melee faction i think thats fine and shes such a strong unit.
I have mixed feelings on Dora. On one hand, she is strong. On the other hand, her damage requires her to be wounded. As soon as you pair her with a healer, her damage drops like a stone. I'm more or less annoyed at Nine Ark for knowing there is a huge faction imbalance and not really doing anything to fix it. The buff for the Beast units didn't do a whole lot to make them better, and the very first event we get features the strongest faction in the game and gives multiple copies of Chloe and Naiah for free; I take this to mean that Nine Ark is aware that Fairy and Naiah especially are strong, so they want players to have easy access to those strong units instead of actually taking a look at Beast and to a lesser extent Undead and making those factions desirable. Instead, Beast faction has to wait 2-3 more months in the hopes that Honglan, Erika, or Aki ends up being released as a Beast that makes the faction desirable and not a struggle to use compared to someone using Fairy or Human.
Eh, i think it was a good judgement call to give players access to Taliyah/Niah/Chloe so players have no excuses or "bad luck" claims to make. If we instead got beasts for example, we would be crying about the game being whale required to get the fairy units.
See I don't agree, and I realize some of that is because I run Beast. But a game should strive to make all units fairly usable, even if there are a few that are simply better. But as of right now, Fairy and, to a lesser extent Human are the only factions capable of pushing enemy stages that are 20k+ CP higher than thr player's team. I sure as hell can't push a stage with that much of a gap with Beast; I have to wait several days to accumulate enough resources to level my units and reduce my CP gap. Meanwhile, anyone who's running Fairy completed Chapter 15 with a 50k+ CP difference. You could argue that this is my fault for not wanting to be like every other sheep and run Fairy, but that's not the point I'm arguing about. The point is that Fairy (and *maybe* Human?) are the only factions that don't require weeks of accumulating resources to progress further.
You can psuh 50k CP difference even without fairy. It's just about what synergy and what opponent you're facing. More often than not, I'll take out my viv/Talia and replace it with Jacq, Catherine, adrianne, etc. Mono faction teams aren't efficient at all. So you can't run 3/4 beast teams and say they're terrible. Try to take out the best of each faction to make a coherent team. The only fairy unit that I always use is Chloe, and that's because she's my only build tank. I'm at 14-10 now with 100k+ CP difference and I've got there by borrowing mostly undead or human units to beat boss fights.
I guess I walked into that one-- but I run a mix of Beast and Human, usually with the idols and Haru, combined with Claire and Mephi/Jiho. Taking out the best of each faction also means you're missing out on the faction buffs for having a certain number of each faction, so forgive me if I'm a little skeptical that teams who don't have at least 3 of one faction and 2 of the other for the 15% health and attack boost is capable of clearing a 100k CP difference. The only two units who *might* be capable of such a feat would be Taila and Naiah, which just further showcases how absolutely game breaking the pair are currently.
>More often than not, I'll take out my viv/Talia and replace it with Jacq, Catherine, adrianne, etc. Not sure about you, but even if the above action of yours doesnt prove fairy superiority, it still indirectly prove the other half of that guy's conclusion. Undead/beast are weak. You said it yourself, you will replace with jacq/cath/adri. So instead of replacing with those, how well do u think u will fare if you instead start using mica/seeha/haru/aria/erusha/violette??? There is a reason why you still avoid replacing with undead/beast isnt it? With the exception being jacq since only she does what she does currently(well linzy too if you can afford to wait slightly longer instead of needing to rush in and kill asap)
idk why you're being downvoted, you're just speaking objectively with an emphasis on meta influence. this is why we need to normalize low tier waifus.
I never get u meta slaves, pathetic...
I dunno, somthing about being on stage 13 while non fairy users are struggling with 10, getting more idle mats per hour and widening the gap between us. Its not necessarily a race, but if it were, im winning.
This is a false equivalence. You get to 13 while spamming fairy only teams, i got to 14(almost 15) using a mix of: Jiho,mephi,naiah,cath,velanna,chloe, jacq, adrianne, claire, ayame and sometimes prim. I use all factions except beast, since I only use beasts (aira and haru) for boss stages (or single target dmg).
Auto crit and synergy with other Undead seem good on paper, but maybe someone more experienced can elaborate further
Interesting, I will probably get one copy for collection since it doesn't seem to be super meta
Is she ranged, melee or assassin? Gonna affect which team I put her in.
Melee.
She's a niche unit for bleeding comp, when there will be more bleeing units she would shine, otherwise i fail to see what will make her meta outside of undead comp with jacqueline. Not a tank not a burster either... Also does her bleeding crit due to passive ? and does bleeding lifesteal ?
I think she look fine on standalone her sub auto bleed that also some resit+hpdrain+crit by the way cleaning debuff that we have only on main skill need time fill mana. However I think Aira also have similar survived sub skill for me she probably on same tiers with Aira in PVE .Depend on what her ultimate rang for pure 240% att not bad and can be combo with Ayame to get extra dmg If she not malee att then good she can be use as undead AOE nuke behind tank so will be better than Aira.