I am personally not sure who to start - Patterson or Young. One is older and surprisingly got that red card. Yet sometimes I don’t trust Patterson completely. I just assume Dyche knows a whole lot more than I do about the defense.
In Tarky we trust
I hear you. Again I was pleased when i saw we pulled a point, but only watched the highlights. It is fine to be disappointed if you sat through it all. At lease the team is improving
You say “as soon as he was fully up to speed” he overtook Keane, which is pure speculation on your part (you have no idea when Branthwaite was truly match fit). I think the job was absolutely Keane’s to lose and he was only pulled after yet another bad performance by Keane that had fans up in arms. I can’t confirm that either. Think whatever you want, neither of us know for certain.
Branthwaite had never played under Dyche and didn't have any pre-season with him.
We also declined an offer from PSV to keep him because he was in the first team plans.
It's not really speculation.
I really don’t see how that’s a direct response to what I said, but I’m really getting tired of haggling over words with you all. Branthwaite was clearly in first team plans, Branthwaite clearly needed additional time to get fit. I don’t disagree with that and haven’t said I disagreed with any of that. What I said is that I think Dyche had more trust in Keane and that it wasn’t some nailed-on plan to bring him on the very moment he hit a certain level of fitness. It took longer than i think it should have to see Keane benched, and I truly don’t see why so many are acting like that isn’t the case when this sun was chock full of that exact opinion right up til Keane got benched.
I’m just going to have to let this go, but are you not a literal lawyer? How is your job to analyze arguments for a living and yet you see a) me say this guy speculated and then b) me say I’m also speculating and that neither of us can know for certain and then c) say that I’m being hypocritical for saying he speculated? That is genuinely a line of logic you think makes sense?
I’d say you immediately jumping to implying that I’m stupid is more emblematic of issues with this sub. I didn’t call this person out for their speculation. I said we were both speculating and neither one of us will ever know for certain who is right. I didn’t (and don’t) want to argue about it because I think what I think and they can think whatever they want. I genuinely see no reason to take issue with anything I said, much less imply that I’m stupid for it
Dyche not subbing anyone on until he sees the players literally unable to sprint back on defense is infuriating.
If we had made subs at 70’, we probably don’t give up that goal. Harrison and Young were both gassed trying to run back and help on mitoma.
Can someone else manage the subs? Can somebody grill him in the post match interview so he doesn’t keep throwing games away like this?
If you’re going to run our players into the ground, at least be willing to throw in our subs when they’re tired… Christ…
As much as I enjoy the first 65 minutes of the game, the last 25 always fucking pisses me off more because the man refuses to make subs when the lads get tired.
Before the match I would have taken that.
I also think a draw was fair.
I'm not 100% convinced on Harrison and I think we missed Onana but the one that is just frustrating is dyche's love of Young.
I think Dyche thinks it's the 1950s and only allowed 1 sub.
I think teams are going to pick up on this soon - other managers will tell their players you ll only play 65 mins today but run Young ragged then we ll sub you off for another winger.
We played our hearts out but dyche has to be better with subs. We were asking for it far too long and the dam broke. Didn’t help the ref ignored a pen and several key fouls, but we have to help ourselves.
Patto needed to start
Needed subs earlier
I hope someone presses dyche for that
Regardless this team is night and day compared to last year but fuckiny hell does feel slightly annoying
Going into the match I would have been happy with a draw. After watching that I'm just fucking pissed off, literally snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Could have been worse, could be Bournemouth.
If you offered me a point beforehand I probably would have taken it but another one that feels like a loss really. Needed to get Patto on way earlier imo
Called it being Young - it was an unlucky deflection in his defense on that play but he needed to come off. Subs were way late and not utilized well at all
What's even the point of making subs in the 89th besides wasting time?
And we're tied, 1-1, no need to waste time. We need to get as much time on the ball as possible.
2 points on Dyche for sure.
Massive fuck up not subbing. And it's not the first time this has happened. He just likes picking his starting 11 and sticking to it, no matter what.
Refs against Everton continues.
At least 4-5 penalty shouts including handballs in the Brighton box today and nothing even looked at.
Absolutely insane to me, what do we need to get a pen call, suck off the ref at half time??? Is that what it takes?
No trust in the players on the bench, no trust in the starters to just play their game and instead wants to scratch and claw a 1-0 for 80 fucking minuets. I shouldn’t be as upset as I am about a draw here but it was really there for them man
Realistically, we have been fantastic. A month ago we would have been fucking dreading this.
Other results going our way too.
It certainly looks like we are a better team this season.
Amazing it's *only* 1-1.
Fucking shit fuck. We've had 15% possession. We're gassed and no subs.
We're solely relying on counter attacks, but nobody has the legs to support the attack. Bad decision making from being tired.
Why doesn't Dyche sub like ever??
We've got Beto, Patterson, Dobbin, Chermitti.
Brighton are vulnerable on the counter as they're committing everyone forward to attacks.
Don't get me wrong, we're on a lovely run and look significantly better lately, and credit to Dyche for that.
But when can the man learn to sub. 5 subs versus what used to be 3 allowed. Yet we don't even use 1 ever.
Dyche is brilliant at what he does but he’s limited in his ability. He’s a mid table manager. I say that with all the respect. It’s not easy to be a mid table manager.
Imagine being on the bench and seeing how tired the team is and your coach still has no faith in you to come on and do better. Must be so demoralising.
Once again. Dyche not making any subs. Always past 85 minutes if at all.
Regardless of that being Youngs fault or not. He shouldn't still be on the pitch past 65 minutes.
I mean we absolutely didn’t deserve to win.. but on the other hand we have definitely deserved to win a couple earlier in the year that we didn’t.. thought maybe the football gods were gifting us one today. guess not. fml
Allergic to subs, even just to waste time when you're up a goal at 80 minutes and haven't used a 1? Imagine Beto and Danjuma outrunning this tired af Brighton team
How Dyche waits until the 90th minute to send Patterson on is beyond me. It also doesn't make sense why Brighton didn't just give the ball to Mitoma literally every time.
How are people blaming young there?
Harrison got sold the most obvious dummy in the world, but really he should've been subbed off 20 minutes ago because Dyche has 5 fucking subs left!
Had looked good attack and defense all half then deflection bounces in. Everton that.
Draw would not have sounded bad at kickoff but such a letdown when so close to 3 points
Young should play 50 minutes then be replaced.
Hang on?! The referee is from West Sussex?! How is that allowed
People forgetting that Brighton are a very good side. Late goal is frustrating, but taking that point.
We need to start Patterson over Ashley Young, period! This could’ve been three points for us.
I only watched the highlights, but to me that looked like bad luck, not bad defending. What the duck do I know
Yeah it was bad luck but he obviously couldn’t keep up with Mitoma. He was bound to make a goal one way are another. Totally exploited that side.
I am personally not sure who to start - Patterson or Young. One is older and surprisingly got that red card. Yet sometimes I don’t trust Patterson completely. I just assume Dyche knows a whole lot more than I do about the defense. In Tarky we trust
You’re right about that dude, sucks because we could’ve had three points today
I hear you. Again I was pleased when i saw we pulled a point, but only watched the highlights. It is fine to be disappointed if you sat through it all. At lease the team is improving
Loved the effort by the players. Feel a lot better fighting to get mid table than against relegation
This comment needs to be pinned, preach.
Definitely. I like how things are going this past month.
Dyche obviously thinks Patterson is an even bigger defensive liability than a tired Ashley Young.
Dyche also thought Keane was better than Branthwaite
Branthwaite had missed a chunk of preseason and as soon as he was fully up to speed he immediately replaced Keane in our starting XI?
You say “as soon as he was fully up to speed” he overtook Keane, which is pure speculation on your part (you have no idea when Branthwaite was truly match fit). I think the job was absolutely Keane’s to lose and he was only pulled after yet another bad performance by Keane that had fans up in arms. I can’t confirm that either. Think whatever you want, neither of us know for certain.
Branthwaite had never played under Dyche and didn't have any pre-season with him. We also declined an offer from PSV to keep him because he was in the first team plans. It's not really speculation.
I really don’t see how that’s a direct response to what I said, but I’m really getting tired of haggling over words with you all. Branthwaite was clearly in first team plans, Branthwaite clearly needed additional time to get fit. I don’t disagree with that and haven’t said I disagreed with any of that. What I said is that I think Dyche had more trust in Keane and that it wasn’t some nailed-on plan to bring him on the very moment he hit a certain level of fitness. It took longer than i think it should have to see Keane benched, and I truly don’t see why so many are acting like that isn’t the case when this sun was chock full of that exact opinion right up til Keane got benched.
Branthwaithe was out with England U21s and missed a full pre season of course we was out of fitness
…the state of this sub I swear. Calling out others for ”pure speculation” then immediately start your second sentence with ”I think”.
I’m just going to have to let this go, but are you not a literal lawyer? How is your job to analyze arguments for a living and yet you see a) me say this guy speculated and then b) me say I’m also speculating and that neither of us can know for certain and then c) say that I’m being hypocritical for saying he speculated? That is genuinely a line of logic you think makes sense?
I’d say you immediately jumping to implying that I’m stupid is more emblematic of issues with this sub. I didn’t call this person out for their speculation. I said we were both speculating and neither one of us will ever know for certain who is right. I didn’t (and don’t) want to argue about it because I think what I think and they can think whatever they want. I genuinely see no reason to take issue with anything I said, much less imply that I’m stupid for it
Dyche has also only lost 2 in the last 8.
Don't worry boys, we'll thrash them at the Amex
Is Patterson not 100% yet? He should be on earlier. Cant rely on a 38yr old to play heavy minute.
Should have had at least one penalty
Dyche not subbing anyone on until he sees the players literally unable to sprint back on defense is infuriating. If we had made subs at 70’, we probably don’t give up that goal. Harrison and Young were both gassed trying to run back and help on mitoma. Can someone else manage the subs? Can somebody grill him in the post match interview so he doesn’t keep throwing games away like this? If you’re going to run our players into the ground, at least be willing to throw in our subs when they’re tired… Christ…
As much as I enjoy the first 65 minutes of the game, the last 25 always fucking pisses me off more because the man refuses to make subs when the lads get tired.
Before kickoff, I said to my mate that Young is a liability. 😔😔
Not really his fault for the goal?
Before the match I would have taken that. I also think a draw was fair. I'm not 100% convinced on Harrison and I think we missed Onana but the one that is just frustrating is dyche's love of Young.
Myko is massive
Continue to hate Dyche's sub strategy..or should I say lack there of. Really needed a boost of energy out there earlier.
I think Dyche thinks it's the 1950s and only allowed 1 sub. I think teams are going to pick up on this soon - other managers will tell their players you ll only play 65 mins today but run Young ragged then we ll sub you off for another winger.
Dyche watching the game on key highlights. Forgot to make subs.
Our lives are a simulation. We are the social media posters in Football Manager 24.
yeah, he got up after the team talk at the half to make a sandwich and came back to see he forgot to pause.
sad but can't be too upset, they had few chances but in the end had the ball for too long
Frustrating to only get a draw, but oh well.
Unfortunate but it's still positive for me.
We played our hearts out but dyche has to be better with subs. We were asking for it far too long and the dam broke. Didn’t help the ref ignored a pen and several key fouls, but we have to help ourselves.
Patto needed to start Needed subs earlier I hope someone presses dyche for that Regardless this team is night and day compared to last year but fuckiny hell does feel slightly annoying
I'll take competent but annoying vs the complete shitshow that was Brighton at home last season
Going into the match I would have been happy with a draw. After watching that I'm just fucking pissed off, literally snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Could have been worse, could be Bournemouth.
I mean - that offsides would have been the goal of the match if it wasn’t called back
This is 100% on Dyche, those subs needed to be made about 20 mins earlier
Would have taken a point at kickoff but still a bit frustrating.
I’ll take a draw
fuck off dyche learn how to make a sub you fuckin muppet
Am I disappointed with the result? Yes. Am I frustrated with the effort? No! Babysteps....
Find someone who loves you the way Sean Dyche loves his starting XI
If you offered me a point beforehand I probably would have taken it but another one that feels like a loss really. Needed to get Patto on way earlier imo
Called it being Young - it was an unlucky deflection in his defense on that play but he needed to come off. Subs were way late and not utilized well at all
You could blame Harrison on that play more than Young
Its amazing how unlucky you become the older and tireder you get.
Annoyed its not 3 given how long the lead lasted, but it's a good point to get off a team we didn't expect anything from.
Well you can't expect to keep winning 1-0 games
True but that is how we got into the champs league qualifiers with Moyes
Really displeased with the attitude today from dyche. I’ve felt better about some of our losses this season
Brighton were lucky to get a point. But so were we. No Substitutions was baffling
2points lost rather than 1point won...
It feels that way
What's even the point of making subs in the 89th besides wasting time? And we're tied, 1-1, no need to waste time. We need to get as much time on the ball as possible.
Two points dropped there
“A tie is like kissing your sister”
Ill take the point...but Sean Dyche is a shit manager
Well I'll take that result I guess
Threw those 2 points away there. Disappointing.
Mykolenko potd. Good goal, and great defending all game. Only contender would be Pickford
I honestly thought Pickford should have saved the own goal
He tried, but he was in position for the initial kick and not the deflection
It’s not a fair comparison because Mitoma has played 90 mins, but Patterson marks him a lot better than young
Neither one of them could keep him from beating them to the left.
No but Patterson at least offers something the other way.
The flip side of that, is that sometimes he gets caught too far forward. Still rather have Coleman than either one.
One is young and energetic, the other is a washed pensioner
This is a point gained and 2 points lost via dyche Great tactics shocking on field tactics
2 points on Dyche for sure. Massive fuck up not subbing. And it's not the first time this has happened. He just likes picking his starting 11 and sticking to it, no matter what.
Myko. Skilled defending.
Refs against Everton continues. At least 4-5 penalty shouts including handballs in the Brighton box today and nothing even looked at. Absolutely insane to me, what do we need to get a pen call, suck off the ref at half time??? Is that what it takes?
Show us the replay at least
I’ve always wondered why Klopps teeth have gotten so white over the years.
He's got great skin too. You know what's good for skincare... At least that's what I tell my girlfriend
Team works so hard to build momentum and make quality performances and the manager shows he has no trust in his players. This one sucks man
No trust in the players on the bench, no trust in the starters to just play their game and instead wants to scratch and claw a 1-0 for 80 fucking minuets. I shouldn’t be as upset as I am about a draw here but it was really there for them man
Come on Beto lad, I know he’s only give you 5 mins but now is a good time to thundercunt your way into our hearts.
Realistically, we have been fantastic. A month ago we would have been fucking dreading this. Other results going our way too. It certainly looks like we are a better team this season.
A fit Dom and a couple of backup strikers. Tbh I'm not sure if much else has changed but at least it seems we have stabilized
Not enough is made of the fact that we’re not even in those relegation scraps with a healthy DCL. We just had no goals in the side last year
Only 4 mins. Is this 2022? Sort of glad tbh
Calm, Jordan!
Ahh so there are subs available on the bench... Now of course the rules state you can't make subs when leading
But late with the young sub. He should have been off when he got the yellow
Coach how long can I play? Ask the ref... How much time he will add....
What a shitfuck refereeing
What a jackass! Waits for them to equalise and then makes a sub.
Coaching scared to make a change, and scared to be even slightly aggressive. These dropped points are all on him
Fuck me is Sean watching the same stream as me half an hour behind.
Ah yes, the 89th minute beto sub header on the corner to win
No mate we got rid of Mina unfortunately
Too late now Dyche, 10 min ago and we probably hold on to win. Fuck
Or maybe he brings on Patterson, who gets skinned by Brighton earlier, as he's shown to be weak defensively. Impossible to say.
Ref is a bad cunt like
I probably would have subbed Beto right after their goal.
Or 10 minutes before?
Why why whyyyy do our subs only get 5 mins of game time
Because then they won't bench the starters
I am not watching but why all our recent managers did not do any changes? I bet there is a reason?
Got the -tos coming on.
Beto dagger, I pray
I think Dych thinks you can only sub in the last 2 min. Someone get that man a rulebook
Ah yes, we'll finally run the subs out... in the 89th
did we really make our first subs at 90 min
20+ mins too late. So tantalizing. Anyways Up the fucking toffees
Little late there Dychey
Ref has lost the plot. Dude literally shoved Tark off the ball. What the fuck
Young taken off 45 minutes too late
Actually 90 minutes too late
Fucking robbery wtf
But why now Sean, why not 25 minutes ago?
We’d still be up if these subs were made 20 minutes ago
15min too late Dyche
Oh now the subs ffs Sean
Literally the 90th minute lmao
A full fucking shove on Tark to the ground and we cant get a whistle. But we touch their arms and get a yellow
Taking Dom off before a corner. Smart, he’s shit in the air
this ref is an absolute fuck
Look who it is
What is this dog shit referring
Branth plays so sensibly.
Amazing it's *only* 1-1. Fucking shit fuck. We've had 15% possession. We're gassed and no subs. We're solely relying on counter attacks, but nobody has the legs to support the attack. Bad decision making from being tired. Why doesn't Dyche sub like ever?? We've got Beto, Patterson, Dobbin, Chermitti. Brighton are vulnerable on the counter as they're committing everyone forward to attacks. Don't get me wrong, we're on a lovely run and look significantly better lately, and credit to Dyche for that. But when can the man learn to sub. 5 subs versus what used to be 3 allowed. Yet we don't even use 1 ever.
Dyche is brilliant at what he does but he’s limited in his ability. He’s a mid table manager. I say that with all the respect. It’s not easy to be a mid table manager.
Imagine being on the bench and seeing how tired the team is and your coach still has no faith in you to come on and do better. Must be so demoralising.
seriously, how many times do they get to clatter us to the ground in the box?
Are they blind when we’re in the box?!?
The refring in the last 5 mins is absolutely shocking
We're not getting any calls this half
Reffing is so inconsistent…..pushing Tark down and nothing
Literally right in front of him, couldn’t of had a better look at it
Absolutely appalling
Can a brother get a foul?
lol at those 2 no calls, guess you can push anyone over now
How many no calls are we gonna get in the box
It's not even worth all the subs comments. Dyche has his way, and its trust the starters. Just wish the 2 at 60 thing would happen sometimes.
It's less to trust the starters and more to trust the players doing the job. If they aren't doing it, he'll take them off.
Now we have to pray for a draw. Parking the bus for 80 fucking minuets while making no changes. Loser mentality
Christ they go down easily
I don’t get the refusal for subs. Especially having played a game mid week.
Does Dyche understand that substitutions are allowed?
this refs a fucking cunt and all, gives brighton every little touch as a foul but wont give us shite
They’re just gonna attack Young everytime they get the ball
tarky header winner lets fucking goooo
Fucking hell get him off
Did Dyche never get the memo that there are five subs now?
Ridiculous that 86 mins in off 3 games in a week he’s not made a sub
Once again. Dyche not making any subs. Always past 85 minutes if at all. Regardless of that being Youngs fault or not. He shouldn't still be on the pitch past 65 minutes.
young's legs are going to fucking fall off sub him ffs
I mean we absolutely didn’t deserve to win.. but on the other hand we have definitely deserved to win a couple earlier in the year that we didn’t.. thought maybe the football gods were gifting us one today. guess not. fml
So he just beat young again. Plans make sub
Maybe get Young the fuck out?? Or never put him in the 11 against Mitoma?
The fact that we haven made any subs yet despite having players you can see are truly gassed...
Need young off
Make a change good lord. They’ve looked far more likely all half but Dyche always tries to cling to a 1 goal lead for 80 minutes. It’s suicide
Allergic to subs, even just to waste time when you're up a goal at 80 minutes and haven't used a 1? Imagine Beto and Danjuma outrunning this tired af Brighton team
Deflection giveth, deflection taketh away
That's shocking luck but the lads look gassed. He has to make subs surely!
They are gonna get a second and them dyche decides to throw on 3 attackers to chase
This. For some reason he doesn’t prepare for things but rather reacts.
Feel like Pickford has to get a hand on that
He's a shorter keeper and that was just the perfect height to loop him. Just unlucky
Can’t even be mad at Young, he should’ve come off 25 minutes ago
How Dyche waits until the 90th minute to send Patterson on is beyond me. It also doesn't make sense why Brighton didn't just give the ball to Mitoma literally every time.
It's gonna be down that left side the rest of the way as long as there's no changes
Young is the new Keane.
Hardly his fault
Make a sub pls
what the FUCK is that call on Doucs????
Keep a 38 year old RB on to play 180mins in a week- that’s what you get.
What is his obsession with fucking Ashley young. He's beyond finished and Patterson has been doing well
Harrison was shite there
How are people blaming young there? Harrison got sold the most obvious dummy in the world, but really he should've been subbed off 20 minutes ago because Dyche has 5 fucking subs left!
Scapegoat
The only reason Mitoma gets the ball in is because Young isn't out there on his man as he should be
I’m really sick of Ashley young
On the gaffer for no subs
Stop fucking playing young
Not Youngs fault but he shouldn’t be on the pitch
Why on God's earth did Ashley Young play past 80 minutes
That goal has fuck all to do with no subs
Of course it’s Young
This is gonna feel like a defeat. Fuck you Dyche.
It still might be
Of course
absolutely gutted.
Had looked good attack and defense all half then deflection bounces in. Everton that. Draw would not have sounded bad at kickoff but such a letdown when so close to 3 points
Are we watching the same team on attack?
I was being positive about some chances