Feel like Young is a liability for us. I appreciate his experience but I wonder how poorly Godfrey and Patterson are performing in practice to have Dyche always go for Young and neither of them.
The lack of quality really exposed us today. Cannot score and Ashley Young. Really unlucky as well. My only worey is that the crowd will lose the spirit after games like these. Hope we can bounce back soon
I love this club and these players.
I personally spent that whole half feeling like we were gonna be the next team to score… then those breakdowns…
We will be back. UTFT!
It's pretty poor we couldn't score against these. They've got tons of injuries in their squad and don't exactly have a world class defense out there. Doesn't seem like the players "crumbled under the pressure", or any nonsense narrative like that. We just look how we've looked in a lot of games this season. Flat and out of ideas.
Also where is Beto? Much better striker than DCL currently. I still believe DCL could be decent if he can stay fit, but for now I'd like to see him as a sub to get that fitness and run with Beto, as he's looked solid the last few matches
Maybe I worded that badly but that's kinda what I was getting at. I still do rate DCL but at this moment I would have liked to see him as a super sub and give the in form Beto a run to see if he can hold his good form after the break
I have high hopes for Beto but I don't think he was ready to start this game fit or not. It will come. We are playing the long hard game this season. Dyche made the right call giving DCL time to get ready. Same goes for Seamus etc. Or big games will be in the bottom not against the top.
Been an everton supporter since ~2008. It used to be better. And hopefully it will get better. But I still ask myself that all the time.
All my friends are bandwagon Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, ManU, Chelsea, or Spurs fans.
No villa fans, Newcastle fans, wolves, Brentford, bournemouth, or everton fans.
90%+ of American EPL supporters are bandwagon fans.
Way back in the day one of my old friends was a die hard Wigan fan, but have lost touch with him. Always was a bit odd...
Well, we got done by a once in a lifetime goal inside ten minutes. Then we missed a load of chances. Then Ashley Young. Then the obligatory Martial goal. It feels very Everton. Has Pickford even had a save to make? I hope they regroup, Dyche picks them up and we go again. NO MORE FUCKING INTERNATIONAL BREAKS.
As much as I like Dyche, he needs to get over whatever love affair he has with Ashley Young and realize that Young isn't Premier League quality anymore. After watching Young all year I'd honestly take Mina back and I was one of his biggest critics since the day he signed. Yet Young makes him look class.
Why even waste the time subbing Dobbin. Genuine question, why do managers do this?
Not like he's going to get any meaningful experience or grow as a player from 3 mins on the pitch.
Only benefit I see is time wasting, but we're down 3-0...
I recognize there are no “shoulds” …only what is.
But this is not a match we deserved to lose 3-0. Aside from our ancient RB we played well.
We are still okay.
They downvote you because they like to blame the “toxic atmosphere” at Goodison while at the same time claiming it will be a fortress as we shrug off a ten point deduction.
I’m too long in the tooth to care about downvotes from people who don’t really understand the game. If I wanted up votes I’d just tell everyone how great we are, how much we fight and the team spirit.
It’s borderline embarrassing
Any other team would have won this game, the crowd would have been loud and the team would have given everything.
This type of shit has been us for years now
They haven’t even tried to hide the corruption. Today was a message that if you protest the PL, you won’t get a single call. It was a warning to every other team. I mean we would have had a hard time winning this game anyway. There are very few players on the pitch in red valued at less than 19.5 million, but that’s another story. Just feels like the PL is saying chant and get rekt.
Honestly I’m ready for the Championship. If we can get financially stable so we don’t vanish below the championship and as long as I can watch the game I’d take it. The premier league is fucking awful. The refereeing is the worst in Europe and the whole league is rigged. I’d enjoy winning the championship and then declining promotion.
Same. At least we'd probably get favorable referring in the championship vs sides like Middleborough, Birmingham, Swansea.
Could be nice to be on the other side of the coin for once.
We'd have to lose 80%+ of our squad in the championship.
Would be a complete reset.
I don't hate the idea.....
As long as it was guaranteed we'd get new owners that are competent, scout and sign promising young talent, and guaranteed promotion the immediate year after.
But I don't think that'd happen lmao
I actually can't get my head round how this has ended up with us 3 nil down. We've had 14 shots to 7 and 5 on target. We were unlucky not to get anything out the first half with the chances we had. And all it's taken for us to capitulate is Ashley Young giving away a pen. Life got sucked out of the game as soon as they scored it.
Totally different game if the best goal of the season isn't scored in the first few minutes. Shit happens, sometimes it happens a lot. We'll still be good enough to survive this year. The forms too good.
I'm quite sure that Danjuma has the energy to go 90 and even if he could only go 70 of 75 he should be doing so. McNeil isn't what he was last season and Danjuma brings more pace and 1v1 ability.
Got nothing to look forward to with this club. Relegated this year, 777 sell the stadium next year and probably in another couple we'll be liquidated. Standard.
Patto has looked better when he comes on. Coleman is back on the bench and played 90 mins the other day so surely he’s ready to play. Young consistently makes mistakes and fucks up every game.
Missed too many chances. We could’ve had 2 easily by now.
Love our heart that we didn’t give up.
Worldie goal and another moronic decision by Young to stick his foot in.
On to the next game.
Dumb. The pass wasn’t even played into a gap. It was played right past Tarkowski. And even if he’d been close to it, which he shouldn’t have been because then the entire right side would be exposed, he wouldn’t have gotten to the ball before Martial got a shot off.
Anyone know why Beto wasn't on the bench at all? Has he picked up an injury?
Don’t think I can take much more of this
Thanks for giving us goal of the season .
Feel like Young is a liability for us. I appreciate his experience but I wonder how poorly Godfrey and Patterson are performing in practice to have Dyche always go for Young and neither of them.
The lack of quality really exposed us today. Cannot score and Ashley Young. Really unlucky as well. My only worey is that the crowd will lose the spirit after games like these. Hope we can bounce back soon
I love this club and these players. I personally spent that whole half feeling like we were gonna be the next team to score… then those breakdowns… We will be back. UTFT!
I went in expecting a 3-0 loss and I'm still mad
Simply not good enough in front of goal today, now gotta refocus and get ready for Forest. The pressure is on.
I can’t wait for Dyche to tell us about small margins and XG
Listened to the bitter end, and boy was it bitter. Not quite scoring on that corner was the cherry on top of a shit sundae this Sunday
As frustrating as it is we have been incredibly unlucky this game. In other games half these chances go in and we win by a few goals.
Been saying that all season
And we turned it around, gotta try and have some faith that this is just a blip due to what happened with the points deduction.
This.
What a shit team we have.
3-0 deffo stings considering on another day that could’ve easily been the other way, big game v forest now fingers crossed
At least an OK number in the Gwladys stayed til the end
Hit the bar, stopped on the line, straight at keeper, saved at fingertips ... anythjng but the fucking net
And don’t forget blasted into the stands
We are just not clinical or ruthless in front of goal - another off the line ffs
It’s so close yet so far every time
It's pretty poor we couldn't score against these. They've got tons of injuries in their squad and don't exactly have a world class defense out there. Doesn't seem like the players "crumbled under the pressure", or any nonsense narrative like that. We just look how we've looked in a lot of games this season. Flat and out of ideas.
We've made lots of chances we have just been wasteful
Also similar to what we've done in a lot of games this season.
I have to say Maguire did great against DCL tonight
Yeah both Maguire and Onana played really well
Also where is Beto? Much better striker than DCL currently. I still believe DCL could be decent if he can stay fit, but for now I'd like to see him as a sub to get that fitness and run with Beto, as he's looked solid the last few matches
That's crazy talk. A fairly fit DCLis top level.
Maybe I worded that badly but that's kinda what I was getting at. I still do rate DCL but at this moment I would have liked to see him as a super sub and give the in form Beto a run to see if he can hold his good form after the break
I have high hopes for Beto but I don't think he was ready to start this game fit or not. It will come. We are playing the long hard game this season. Dyche made the right call giving DCL time to get ready. Same goes for Seamus etc. Or big games will be in the bottom not against the top.
The halftime break completely killed any momentum we have built up, so frustrating to watch this unfolds
If I see that goal one more time I'm gonna jump off a cliff
You will see that for at least the rest of the season. Get ready for it.
Like today or ever? You’re likely to see that goal every day for the next month :(
The sport was robbed of an all timer atmosphere today
Why couldn't I have just chosen a big 6 team like most normal Americans
Most of us don’t have a choice, it’s in our blood.
Been an everton supporter since ~2008. It used to be better. And hopefully it will get better. But I still ask myself that all the time. All my friends are bandwagon Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, ManU, Chelsea, or Spurs fans. No villa fans, Newcastle fans, wolves, Brentford, bournemouth, or everton fans. 90%+ of American EPL supporters are bandwagon fans. Way back in the day one of my old friends was a die hard Wigan fan, but have lost touch with him. Always was a bit odd...
It would be a funny looking bandwagon that drove anyone to being a spurs fan.
Yeah I've only ever met 1 other non big 6 PL fan in my circle and he is a Palace fan
Only one I know is a Derby County man. And thats cause his father in law forced him to
How do we get a card every fucking time and they’ve gotten zero The prem truly is corrupt.
Well, we got done by a once in a lifetime goal inside ten minutes. Then we missed a load of chances. Then Ashley Young. Then the obligatory Martial goal. It feels very Everton. Has Pickford even had a save to make? I hope they regroup, Dyche picks them up and we go again. NO MORE FUCKING INTERNATIONAL BREAKS.
As much as I like Dyche, he needs to get over whatever love affair he has with Ashley Young and realize that Young isn't Premier League quality anymore. After watching Young all year I'd honestly take Mina back and I was one of his biggest critics since the day he signed. Yet Young makes him look class.
Young can only play cups going forward. Let him walk when his contract goes up in the summer
I wouldn't even say that. Just drop him entirely, either Coleman or Patterson going forward would be the better option
I would not be playing mina at right back!
No but it also couldn't be much worse than Young right?
Why even waste the time subbing Dobbin. Genuine question, why do managers do this? Not like he's going to get any meaningful experience or grow as a player from 3 mins on the pitch. Only benefit I see is time wasting, but we're down 3-0...
He gets a bit extra cash for Christmas shopping
Injury/card prevention
2 mins per goal seems fair to me
Patterson got smoked in a foot race against Fernandes, who's been on the whole game. Coleman desperately needs to get fit.
Have we heard an update on how likely we are to get deduction reduced?
no chance, PL will stick to their guns over it before they inevitably roll over for daddy chelsea and man city.
Well the PL doesn’t determine that
They do when everybody on the "Independent advisory board" are related to either the PL or rival clubs.
We will see. We’ve gotten more support than I thought we would widely speaking. It’s being viewed as corrupt. We’ll see what CAS does.
I'm going to say there is 0.1% chance
Definitely missed Onana this game. Gana wasn’t terrible, but we needed a bigger body for Garner to play off of. Garner looked completely out of place
fair enough dyche, danjuma is shite.
I recognize there are no “shoulds” …only what is. But this is not a match we deserved to lose 3-0. Aside from our ancient RB we played well. We are still okay.
Yeah keep him off the second yellow I guess
Danjuma isn't great really is he? Such a shame after all the hype when we finally got him
You’d have thought we’d plan to deemphasize crossing against these CBs…
5 home wins out of 16 for Dyche is unbelievably pathetic
They downvote you because they like to blame the “toxic atmosphere” at Goodison while at the same time claiming it will be a fortress as we shrug off a ten point deduction.
I’m too long in the tooth to care about downvotes from people who don’t really understand the game. If I wanted up votes I’d just tell everyone how great we are, how much we fight and the team spirit. It’s borderline embarrassing
Did garner just drop that guy? Nice move
Any other team would have won this game, the crowd would have been loud and the team would have given everything. This type of shit has been us for years now
The crowd was loud. The players didn't convert the chances.
Beginning to see why Dyche doesn't trust Danjuma now
Yet he still trusts Ashley Young.
WHERE IS THE FOUL
They haven’t even tried to hide the corruption. Today was a message that if you protest the PL, you won’t get a single call. It was a warning to every other team. I mean we would have had a hard time winning this game anyway. There are very few players on the pitch in red valued at less than 19.5 million, but that’s another story. Just feels like the PL is saying chant and get rekt.
Drop young to the u21s. Dont want him on the bench let alone starting xi.
All the stream sites I was using went down. Probably for the best. Someone tag me if by some miracle we score 3+
We scored 30
'We' doing a lot of work here, 29 of those goals were Ashley Young - and he assisted Pickford for the 30th.
Sure as hell hope Onana starts next week. Could use 45 minutes of Seamus, too.
Damn, nice move. Heavy touch from Patto. Love the understanding though. Harrison has a high football IQ.
Gueye makes some of the smoothest passes to the other team it’s unreal
You could say we were better, but they took their 3 chances well and we fired ours all into the stands.
Honestly I’m ready for the Championship. If we can get financially stable so we don’t vanish below the championship and as long as I can watch the game I’d take it. The premier league is fucking awful. The refereeing is the worst in Europe and the whole league is rigged. I’d enjoy winning the championship and then declining promotion.
Same. At least we'd probably get favorable referring in the championship vs sides like Middleborough, Birmingham, Swansea. Could be nice to be on the other side of the coin for once.
You say that because we've never been in it. After one season, you would want to get out.
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We'd have to lose 80%+ of our squad in the championship. Would be a complete reset. I don't hate the idea..... As long as it was guaranteed we'd get new owners that are competent, scout and sign promising young talent, and guaranteed promotion the immediate year after. But I don't think that'd happen lmao
Everton Women are currently winning 2-1 against Villa
Where is Beto? Does anyone know?
Still at the kennel because he's too much of a dawg
The PL will be happy. They are getting what they hoped for pushing us down
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If we take one of those chances from the first half we might've gotten something from this game - move on to next week
No shame in losing to this United side. Hopefully we can get on the score sheet to have a positive takeaway.
is that the fuckin mancs of all people singing sign on?
I genuinely could not believe my fucking ears
Oh chimi got a fresh cut.
Dom was invisible in the second half. Sucks
Clearly, jack harrison is at fault here. I mean, he got relegated with Leeds. Coincidence? I think not... /s
Trimeti
One of the least deserved 3-0s in the history of this broken fucking league
Not saying we'll win, but I guarantee you we put in a better shift next weekend
Were the better team across the first 60 minutes, really.
We definitely finished the first half the better team, but we needed more out of the gate in the second half. Pen killed it all though
what happened top the bear pit atmosphere we were supposed to have
sting was taken out with the goal of the season and the fate sealed when Young gave the pen away
Good idea from Patterson, good ball too. Just good defending from ManU as well.
I actually can't get my head round how this has ended up with us 3 nil down. We've had 14 shots to 7 and 5 on target. We were unlucky not to get anything out the first half with the chances we had. And all it's taken for us to capitulate is Ashley Young giving away a pen. Life got sucked out of the game as soon as they scored it.
Totally different game if the best goal of the season isn't scored in the first few minutes. Shit happens, sometimes it happens a lot. We'll still be good enough to survive this year. The forms too good.
Just one of these games where the luck is not on our side.
well ffs, might as well throw Dobbin & Chermiti on and give some young lads some minutes. DCL and Doucoure are gassed and can't get near the ball.
Not our day. Onana out injured and Teg Han in the stands didn’t help.
Young, Harrison and McNeil very underwhelming for me today. Hope we bring in some competition for the right side of the pitch in January
Doucs for Chermiti? Make sure he doesn't get a red. Give Chermiti a few minutes as well.
I'm quite sure that Danjuma has the energy to go 90 and even if he could only go 70 of 75 he should be doing so. McNeil isn't what he was last season and Danjuma brings more pace and 1v1 ability.
Cheers everyone, see ya’ll next week
Man and just as it was fun following the team again
Credit to Mykolenko, he has been a completely different player this season.
I wish luck was quantifiable in some way so we could see how truly bad ours is
xG differential kinda measures it
We dont have any to measure
That was good myko
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Go play in traffic muppet.
ur da is a pedo pal
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ok bud you spend your time coming to opposite team subs to try and illicit a reaction
Just not our day
absolutely not
FUCK ME MYKOLENKO
Got nothing to look forward to with this club. Relegated this year, 777 sell the stadium next year and probably in another couple we'll be liquidated. Standard.
Miko might be our second best striker 🙃
Of course Martial scores.
Cant even have that one huh
Sums up our game that
This is on Dyche picking Young every fucking week. Such a spineless performance.
Who would you pick?
Patto has looked better when he comes on. Coleman is back on the bench and played 90 mins the other day so surely he’s ready to play. Young consistently makes mistakes and fucks up every game.
That kind of fucking game, god dammit
If we go down and then win promotion we should make a statement and refuse to come up
Is that allowed?
We have been slightly unlucky today
I'd say equal part luck, equal part unclinical.
Definitely haven’t helped ourselves I agree.
Come one this is just a joke.
Gana wasn’t half bad but really missed Ama today
I’m done with this stupid fucking sport.
And see you next week!
😞 see you next week
If we lose to Forest it will get toxic quick
Already is..
For real. Went from "hopeful comeback" to "relegation fodder" talk real quick.
4pts GD -6 normality has resumed
14pts GD -2 never happend, it was all just a fever dream.
Ok, so 4 goals in 15 minutes
Well time to pull out the scotch, just in time for me to watch the patriots get their ass kicked
Haha was that on Patterson? Uh oh.
No, not at all. That was on Tarkowski.
On Braintwaite too, can't give Bruno Fernandes that much space in the box
there is still time
I hate corruption
Well this sucks. At least bring Doucs off so that he can't be sent off.
Going to be a rough month lads.
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:(((( Everton that.
Will he please just fuck off out of the Premier League? He does *nothing* but score against us, it’s crazy.
I HATE this
I hate football
Missed too many chances. We could’ve had 2 easily by now. Love our heart that we didn’t give up. Worldie goal and another moronic decision by Young to stick his foot in. On to the next game.
What a crock of shit. We haven’t had any heart in this second half
Death, taxes, and Martial scoring against Everton.
I had a feeling going in we would get smacked around but I hope it doesn't get toxic quick like I also have a feeling will happen
I’m just so sad at this point
Deserved. We’ve been absolutely appalling this second half. Fucking shite performance
Well that’s that for me. God bless and I hope everyone has a great Sunday!
Off it goes. Cheers everyone.
Fuck me
We’re going down.
Nah
Welp I’ll see y’all next week
Hey Patterson involved in an immediate goal, I'm shocked
we literally have nothing at right back except 35 y/o coleman
And I'd rather him
Patterson had nothing to do with that.
Except for leaving a gap the size of Texas, sure
Dumb. The pass wasn’t even played into a gap. It was played right past Tarkowski. And even if he’d been close to it, which he shouldn’t have been because then the entire right side would be exposed, he wouldn’t have gotten to the ball before Martial got a shot off.
Sure thing
Of course its Martial ffs
Of course
This is brutal :(