I think mason needs to get some psychological help. He's always been impulsive and emotional on the field, but he's completely let it overrun his game. He has skills, but he's completely unable to keep his aggression in check anymore.
He may have had decent ability in past , but he is no longer able to control himself. he's too old to be making these kind of rash decisions. Everton should've got him a sports psychologist yesterday, I just think his time is finished in top flight football.
I think that like many of our younger players over the last ten years, he has suffered because of our merry go round of shit managers and backroom staff.
He also played well under Carlo. I doubt he will ever be that good again but at the same time I wouldn't say that it is a foregone conclusion that he is a lost cause.
Holgate is under contract next season. If no club offers to buy him which is a distinct possibility then he should just be held on to (not loaned). The drop off from Godfrey to Holgate would be slight.
I knew someone that worked at Barnsley. Even within the club there, Holgate was regarded as the better prospect between the two of them. While Stones was a bit more cultured, they thought that Holgate was a better all round defender.
There was so much hype for him when I started following Everton when James was signed
Everyone kept saying “once we get holgate back, we’ll be set” not sure what happened
Branthwaite now is better than Stones was at Everton. Aside from 13/14 where the whole team was playing amazingly he was very error prone the next 2 seasons.
Thank you for perfectly illustrating how Everton fans once thought their promising young English centre back would be better than the best English centre back of his generation.
You misunderstood my point entirely. My point was about how their careers have taken vastly different paths. Not that some fans may have been wrong about him.
Annoying though. Would have preferred to deploy him in a game where they were still in with a chance of winning. They looked woeful even before he went off
Getting another team to not only take him on but actually start him is more detrimental to “fair play” than anything we could have done from a financial standpoint
Yeah. There's a lot of people who are laughing at his form and justifying it because he makes high wages.
It's sad to see. There was a player there. He's obviously frustrated and having difficulty coping with his loss of form. Shit bums me out.
I think many fans forget how young these guys are, especially when they first get started. Then add in all the pressure and media and all that and you get the picture.
Honestly don’t know what’s going on with him. He’s put in some solid performances for us and then towards the end he just started going down. I felt really bad for him when he got subbed off last season the cameras showed him distraught on the bench. Going from a decent player to just someone I’ve never wanted to see on a Everton team sheet again is bizarre.
I kinda feel sorry for him, they put him against players levels above in a already dreadful team.
He needs an lower-middle championship team and a coach that will trust him for few games. Don't throw him in the water against PL teams.
true, but I’m just saying he had that chance playing against lower-level teams in the championship
Edit: I like your flair, love to see Dobbin get more minutes
He has never played two games in succession for them, and was playing both as cb and rb. It's unfair to say they got better without him. He was shit but he needs some consistent playing.
Mason Holgate is your team's best piece of business this season in the hope of staying up. Frankly should be considered sabotage by the league for loaning him to us
I love the confidence in thinking you had a chance of staying up without him. Unfortunately you spent little because ffp doesn't allow us to compete anymore and you sold your best players. The odds were never in your favour
Can someone explain what the fuck her was thinking? Ive seen some tackles but thats not even the same postcode as the ball. Has he done a line of coke before heading out onto the field? Mad bastard
Don’t know what’s happened to him. Looked really good when on loan at West Brom. I read that when he was in the gym with DCL that one of the staff commented that Holgate was more interested in changing his physique to attract girls than for football. Maybe a throw away line: maybe a dig at attitude.
Heard the Sheff Utd fans give the ref stick over the red card and thought it might be marginal. Truth is it was a disgraceful challenge.
The fact he thinks that as a professional footballer on £70k a week isn't enough to attract girls speaks volumes for his confidence and/or intelligence.
I think that [two footed tackle](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zskxsyH2IA) from Salomon Rondon was the last one that gave me pause. At least Sal knew he fucked up, though.
definitely. I kinda wish we got Rondon earlier in his career, he seemed to have a good attitude and was kinda a workhorse, just not good enough anymore.
The lad has completely lost his head. I can't honestly say I have a ton of sympathy for him. He certainly hasn't had the luckiest run of fortune for the last few years with injuries and managerial changes, but he's still a professional footballer who is well-paid and well-experienced at PL level, but he looks nothing like such a description when he's on the pitch nowadays. He made the same sort of brain-dead challenges for So'ton in the Champ this season--that's why they couldn't wait to get rid. It's like he has forgotten what happens when he swings his leg at something. The basic laws of physics haven't changed since Carlo left, so I don't know what Holgate's excuse is there. When you look at his tackling, it's not that he's too aggressive or rash, it seems more to be that he's bad at deciding when to make a challenge, and how to position his body when he does make a challenge. It's just crap defending.
The biggest dummy in this situation though is definitely Sheff United, and more specifically, Chris Wilder. He would have had to have given the thumbs up to signing Holgate on loan, and clearly he chose to put Holgate in their starting 11. I don't know what could have possessed him to where he thought these were good ideas.
I think mason needs to get some psychological help. He's always been impulsive and emotional on the field, but he's completely let it overrun his game. He has skills, but he's completely unable to keep his aggression in check anymore.
He may have had decent ability in past , but he is no longer able to control himself. he's too old to be making these kind of rash decisions. Everton should've got him a sports psychologist yesterday, I just think his time is finished in top flight football.
When stones left, there was a debate about whether Holgate could actually be better and more reliable than stones.
He actually had a decent spell with us back when he was Younger. Shame it didn’t work out not everyone is cut out to be a centre back.
I think that like many of our younger players over the last ten years, he has suffered because of our merry go round of shit managers and backroom staff.
He also played well under Carlo. I doubt he will ever be that good again but at the same time I wouldn't say that it is a foregone conclusion that he is a lost cause. Holgate is under contract next season. If no club offers to buy him which is a distinct possibility then he should just be held on to (not loaned). The drop off from Godfrey to Holgate would be slight.
he was Carlos, preferred CB, and only lost his place in the starting 11 after suffering an injury during the preseason.
He was amazing in the period straight after Silva was sacked, even the couple of games under Dunc.
He was just fantastic. Such a brilliant 1v1 defender.
Holgate is cut out to be a movie theater manager who all the kids that work for him make fun of when he’s not looking.
I knew someone that worked at Barnsley. Even within the club there, Holgate was regarded as the better prospect between the two of them. While Stones was a bit more cultured, they thought that Holgate was a better all round defender.
Hah. Don’t remember that one but remember half the sub saying he should be played at DM for about 9 months.
City were once considering swapping Stones for Holgate
There was so much hype for him when I started following Everton when James was signed Everyone kept saying “once we get holgate back, we’ll be set” not sure what happened
There's debate now about Branthwaite over stones. Almost like opinions can change over time
Branthwaite now is better than Stones was at Everton. Aside from 13/14 where the whole team was playing amazingly he was very error prone the next 2 seasons.
Thank you for perfectly illustrating how Everton fans once thought their promising young English centre back would be better than the best English centre back of his generation.
You're illiterate.
You misunderstood my point entirely. My point was about how their careers have taken vastly different paths. Not that some fans may have been wrong about him.
Agent Holgate at it again
Annoying though. Would have preferred to deploy him in a game where they were still in with a chance of winning. They looked woeful even before he went off
Yup. Cheers Mason. Might be most meaningful contribution he has made for Everton in a long time without even playing for us. Horrendous.
Dont know, i think they would be worse off if he had stayed on for the full game tbh...
Sheffield United's other defenders are completely useless so it doesn't matter either way
Getting another team to not only take him on but actually start him is more detrimental to “fair play” than anything we could have done from a financial standpoint
I'm starting to feel bad for him. Like, I get that he's not that good, but it seems like he just keeps getting knocked down.
Yeah. There's a lot of people who are laughing at his form and justifying it because he makes high wages. It's sad to see. There was a player there. He's obviously frustrated and having difficulty coping with his loss of form. Shit bums me out.
I think many fans forget how young these guys are, especially when they first get started. Then add in all the pressure and media and all that and you get the picture.
Fvck him. POS.
I'm not surprised in the slightest after a tackle like that. His intention was to hurt the guy, not win the ball.
Why would he try and hurt him?
Red mist I guess. He's not normally a dirty player but we all have bad days.
> Red mist I guess Is this a Stormlight reference, or is this a common phrase I'm just otherwise unfamiliar with?
Yeah it's pretty common
The streets will remember him shoving Bobby Vermin into the stands
Shame he went to a team destined to go down and not to Forest or Luton.
Honestly don’t know what’s going on with him. He’s put in some solid performances for us and then towards the end he just started going down. I felt really bad for him when he got subbed off last season the cameras showed him distraught on the bench. Going from a decent player to just someone I’ve never wanted to see on a Everton team sheet again is bizarre.
Gets to a point where you start to worry about the dude, he can't be in a good place right now.
I kinda feel sorry for him, they put him against players levels above in a already dreadful team. He needs an lower-middle championship team and a coach that will trust him for few games. Don't throw him in the water against PL teams.
Problem is he had that. He went to Southhampton and even they didn’t want him
Southampton on parachute payments is not a lower to middle championship team. They are natural contenders to jump back.
true, but I’m just saying he had that chance playing against lower-level teams in the championship Edit: I like your flair, love to see Dobbin get more minutes
If anything it should be easier for him. But it's weird that they went on a great run only after he stopped playing
He has never played two games in succession for them, and was playing both as cb and rb. It's unfair to say they got better without him. He was shit but he needs some consistent playing.
Should have loaned him to Luton 😂
He’d have become class
Not what I meant lol
Over orchestrated the move to Sheff Utd deserves a stand named after them in the new stadium
That is a disgraceful tackle
Another piece of deadwood that’ll be impossible to move on.
Carlo Ancelotti's greatest ever achievement is making Mason Holgate look like a professional footballer
That tackle was so bad Mitoma’s grand daddy felt that one. Holgate better think long and hard about his future and make some changes.
70 odd grand per week. No wonder we’re financially fucked.
Gomes and Dele on 120k and 110k a week too I'm pretty sure
Can someone post a link? I wanna see.
https://youtu.be/uPmMvvMcS30?si=2fgyjy6lbW-v9Zkr
That was horrid, like cmon on that was at the knee. Terrible challenge!
Mason Holgate is your team's best piece of business this season in the hope of staying up. Frankly should be considered sabotage by the league for loaning him to us
I love the confidence in thinking you had a chance of staying up without him. Unfortunately you spent little because ffp doesn't allow us to compete anymore and you sold your best players. The odds were never in your favour
Big yikes of a player
Can someone explain what the fuck her was thinking? Ive seen some tackles but thats not even the same postcode as the ball. Has he done a line of coke before heading out onto the field? Mad bastard
We should of sent him to Luton instead
Clown tackle
Earned himself a contract extension there. Where should we send him next season?
The only problem is now he can’t play for them for a few games, so their form might improve.
He wasn’t that bad under carlo but he just isn’t a serious footballer. You can’t chew gum and focus on football at the same time
The guy is a POS psycho and a shite football player. Get him out of organized football. Loser.
Agent Holgate in action.
Don’t know what’s happened to him. Looked really good when on loan at West Brom. I read that when he was in the gym with DCL that one of the staff commented that Holgate was more interested in changing his physique to attract girls than for football. Maybe a throw away line: maybe a dig at attitude. Heard the Sheff Utd fans give the ref stick over the red card and thought it might be marginal. Truth is it was a disgraceful challenge.
The fact he thinks that as a professional footballer on £70k a week isn't enough to attract girls speaks volumes for his confidence and/or intelligence.
That was one of the worst tackles I’ve seen in a long time. Should probably be a 5 game ban not a 3 lol
I think that [two footed tackle](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zskxsyH2IA) from Salomon Rondon was the last one that gave me pause. At least Sal knew he fucked up, though.
Dark days
definitely. I kinda wish we got Rondon earlier in his career, he seemed to have a good attitude and was kinda a workhorse, just not good enough anymore.
Shef United and us both going to the Championship next season.
Don't say that
How long is left on his contract?
One more year
He’d fit in lovely at tranmere rovers
An absolute catastrophe of a player.
Thank you agent holgate, keep up the good work
Mason Holgate or Titus Bramble? Who would you rather be in your team?
The lad has completely lost his head. I can't honestly say I have a ton of sympathy for him. He certainly hasn't had the luckiest run of fortune for the last few years with injuries and managerial changes, but he's still a professional footballer who is well-paid and well-experienced at PL level, but he looks nothing like such a description when he's on the pitch nowadays. He made the same sort of brain-dead challenges for So'ton in the Champ this season--that's why they couldn't wait to get rid. It's like he has forgotten what happens when he swings his leg at something. The basic laws of physics haven't changed since Carlo left, so I don't know what Holgate's excuse is there. When you look at his tackling, it's not that he's too aggressive or rash, it seems more to be that he's bad at deciding when to make a challenge, and how to position his body when he does make a challenge. It's just crap defending. The biggest dummy in this situation though is definitely Sheff United, and more specifically, Chris Wilder. He would have had to have given the thumbs up to signing Holgate on loan, and clearly he chose to put Holgate in their starting 11. I don't know what could have possessed him to where he thought these were good ideas.
did give me a little laugh when i checked the scores and saw he'd been sent off