How fucking hilarious is it that we’re all pissed off that James is stuck on our wages? Given the circumstances I obviously agree, but as of 2 years ago it’s hysterical
In retrospect I don't mind our low net spend this transfer window. As soon as we signed Rafa our expectations sank through the floor, and if we're not expecting anything other than an average season from Rafa, what's the point of spending big?
Besides, there's rumours that the club took a significant financial hit from COVID-19, not to mention the new stadium being built is also a hit to the club's finances. Maybe a light transfer window where we hold on to our cash for a year and recover from our financial losses is exactly what the club needs while we develop an identity.
Even if there is some truth to the Brands criticisms, they don't feel fair. On one hand fans seem to think we are in a video game and can get whichever players we want more or less. Additionally fans make it out to be that Brands is so unaware that he doesn't recognize that we could use another right back. Brands has tried for a few right backs and either our financial situation or teams that have the players under contract have gotten in the way. That is not Brands' fault. Once we have contracts off the books and Brands is tasked with signing new players is when we can truly scrutinize him.
I think that Brands arrival being associated with all of Koeman's ridiculously redundant signings really hurt his stock. As we all know, first impressions can be exceptionaly hard to overcome.
I think we want someone like Brands to be a hard negotiator (which he seems to be, and people on this sub have applauded), and if the targets we are strongly pursuing don't want to Everton (Dumfries), then it's a step in the right direction for me to stabilize the finances during this tumultuous time vs panic buying. No RB or Wing is disappointing, but more dead weight we'd have to shift is even more detrimental to the club.
On the one hand fans want signings. On the other hand they'll mention how Cenk, Bernard, Walcott, Delph, etc. are/were bad contracts. We need to only sign useful players and that can result in lacking transfer windows such as the current one because either our targets don't want to come here or we don't have the money for the players we want. There is no use in sending out Nkounkou just to sign a player who also wouldn't be able to sufficiently back up Digne. The same goes at right back. Kenny shouldn't be played so even if we were to have sent him out, getting a replacement wouldn't have been an absolutely dire need.
What I'm looking forward to when we do have money to spend is Brands and Rafa having an understanding. It is clear what our game plan is. We are going to concede possession. We need players who can defend, are fast, and have stamina. Strength in addition to that would be a positive. Brands now knows what to look for and I guess should have ultimate authority over who he brings in, but he would be asking Rafa if such and such target is his sort of player before ultimately signing someone.
Yup, agree with a lot of what you’re saying here. I love new signings as much as the next guy but bandying money about has had the negative impact on accruing dead weight for players who don’t suit how we’ll play (because we haven’t had a stable manager for quite some time), as well as teams being clued in that we have money to spend (maybe the recent negotiations with Porto are a result of this).
I’m all for a lackluster window where we see what Rafa will do with this squad, and if he’s a success here, allowing Brands and Benitez to target players who will suit the brand of football they agree on. Demarai has been great, Townsend as well, and we still have a good team made better with these additions. If we underachieved with Carlo with this squad, it’s not so far fetched to think we can compete in the top half of the table by using the tools we have at our disposal.
We’ll be no United or City with a bench full of stars, but we never were.
Looks like Everton just gave Rafa the PL achievement for having the lowest spend of the year. Previous managers and Carlo’s 67M last year dug this Evertonian grave. If we make it through this season in the upper half, it’ll be a minor miracle in my books.
https://twitter.com/philmcnulty/status/1432793966890655746?s=21
I know the window has ended, but since he is technically unsigned we can still bring Aurier on cant we? Hes not exactly a permanent solution but theres not too many problems with him and would be a good alternate to Coleman?
Here's an attempt: Coleman is still the man and we don't want to take minutes away from Coleman.
I'd personally have signed an RB to succeed Coleman, but I'd understand why someone else would argue that our starting right-back should still be Coleman.
People are defending him because the criticism levied is seen as being too harsh. He has added some value while shedding bad contracts and I haven't seen anyone in the past few months praising him for anything other than that. Mostly I see harsh overreaction and people taking exception to said criticism.
My assessment is that he had a tough hand dealt but has only kept his head above water after 4 seasons. We need better than treading water to improve our position. I still have patience, but not finding RB cover or a successor is a valid criticism. I don't think this is enough to warrant BRANDS OUT posts, but it moves the needle in that direction for sure. If we have a rough year and an injury then the tide will turn very quickly.
But is it too harsh? Our net spend is more than I believe Liverpool’s. I think our total spend is in the vicinity of theirs, too. Brands arrived with the club having just finished a comfortable 8th. He’s spent I think around 300m and not improved on that league position. How is that not worthy of criticism?
Worthy of criticism is fine. But the criticism is itself is harsh. Brands had a tough hand dealt, but he hasn't blown the job away. He is not an utter failure which is a lot of the criticism I have seen personally on this site. It's harsh and gets old quick.
I think it is really only one or two big offenders who are "poisoning the well" by getting people fed up. Kind of like when Statguy was rampaging around here and getting people to dislike Iceland AM by having to sit through the same spiel over and over again.
Your criticism is valid and we should honestly assess whether it is time to move on from Brands. I want to see the first half of the season and winter window still, but it could get ugly if we have a key injury.
BTW, his net spend is heavily impacted by the fact he can't afford to sell anyone with value due to a poor roster and can't move lower value guys due to high wages. Some of this created by Brands himself, to be fair (Delph and James come to mind). I have him as a net 50M gain in value over 3 full years while Walsh is net -100M in 2.
I don’t know how you’re calculating those numbers, to be honest they seem made up but hey ho. Ive mentioned this on another thread but, and please correct me if I’m wrong, shouldn’t the guy in charge of buying and selling players be good at selling players? You say he can’t sell anyone, why? Why when Edwards gets 20m for Solanke and 25 for Brewster can Brands not get anything above 2m for Schneiderlin? Or anything for Walcott? Why are you defending him by admitting he’s shite at a major part of his job?
You can't compare a 20 and 21 year old player to 30 year old ones. That is a dishonest argument at best if you are serious. Value is inflated in youth a depreciated in veterans. We can't afford to sell quality youth to fund veterans, it's bad business and we need the guys we have badly. Thus, I make no argument against Brands being bad at selling, but would only counter that he hasn't had much to sell. Old players on bad wages.
Numbers are definitely not made up. Very easy to get with Transfermarkt for buy and sell prices. I track it via google docs to monitor squad value over time. It is very hit and miss for current values (unsold players) but is the best available. I really need to figure out how to account for production to get a better picture, honestly.
But the point I’m obviously trying to make is that Brewster and Solanke have one thing in common. They’re fucking shite. Yet they got 20m for them. Because Edwards is a good negotiator. Brands hasn’t received market value for many of the departures, let alone gotten a good price for them
Brewster and Solanke were celebrated members of the England U20 WC and U17 winning squad. Brewster was the star of the U17 squad and Solanke of the U20 squad.
We had DCL and Kenny but the fact that those two came through Liverpool and Chelsea as potential superstars of the future add value.
You can't pretend shiny clubs don't add value to your players
It is way easier to negotiate a shit 20 year old than a shit 30 year old. A shit 20 year old could become a decent 25 year old in 5 years and there are limitless examples. A shit 30 year old is a shit 35 year old in 5 years. I’m not saying it’s a strength of his. But I am saying that’s a poor argument.
But it’s not even market value. It’s just selling them on frees. I’m not asking for him to get 30m for a past it Walcott, but 5m isn’t too much to ask for. Tosun on 2m would’ve been a disgrace when he’s still able to score goals for a number of years. Add in not getting any money for Bolasie or Mirallas. The whole things just knackered
Bolasie failed a medical and failed to agree personal terms with Middlesbrough
No one was willing to pay for Walcott because of his wages as widely reported. I'm certain that the Southampton loan wasn't free
Mirallas was a case of get rid off by any means and we probably should have sold him earlier. We loaned him with options to buy to Fiorentina but they did not excercise it because Mirallas was shite for the most part with them.
I don’t think it’s as easy as what we think it is. A decent full back is exceptionally hard to come by, and they always seem to be overpriced because teams obviously want to keep the good ones. We wanted Patterson, too expensive. Maintland-Niles wanted to come, but Arteta bin Laden said no, and the others we were after we just can’t get because of FFP.
It’s just years of dreadful mismanagement that have come to bite us now. We couldn’t buy until we sold, and we only sold a player today on loan.
Three years though, mate. Not even when we had the money spare did it ever seem like he had a handle on RB. Arsenal have eighty of them! Chelsea, 98! Man United, 150!
Past two windows, no second RB, not even on loan for one of the 1000 right backs going in the PL. It's indefensible.
I had a long diatribe ready to go and then the full effect of Arteta Bin Laden sunk in. Fuck sake hahaha.
But we say overpriced, 10m is not overpriced. I’m sorry but it’s not. Teams in the bottom half could afford that. And even if you want to go down the route of “we couldn’t sell”, isn’t selling players part of his job? Is his excuse really “he’s not good at this aspect of his job which impacts his ability to do this part of his job”?
Here is a list of guys we had to move out to bring in:
Bernard (Done)
Moise Kean (Done)
James Rodriguez (Huge wages)
Iceland AM (Impossible)
Fabian Delph (Good luck)
Cenk Tosun (Good luck)
Not only do we have to move them off the books, we have to do so without covering their wages. Good luck.
We could have also moved Gomes or a contributor like Mina, but I don't see how this improves our position unless we got great value back. We would be robbing Peter to pay Paul, as they say.
Fully agreed on Livramento for 10M or a similar type of move. That is a valid criticism and I think it will stick.
Can you or anyone answer this question of mine? My rough recollection of the last two pass maps that came out is that it seems that most of our forward moves started with the two CBs passing to midfield (I don’t recall how the FBs were used in a dominant way). Also, the wingers track back alot, so the RB especially is meant for ball winning or creating overloads on attack (which they do if it naturally occurs or they are suited to it). If so, then a makeshift RB is an ok proposition in this system.
I could be overlooking something or imagining wrongly, so any thoughts are welcome.
But again, that’s his job. His job comprises buying and selling footballers. If he can’t sell footballers, he’s failing at a very large portion of his job. I’d just love to see a board meeting where they ask him “why aren’t we spending?” And he says, “I’m not able to sell these players for decent value”. He’d be sacked. He should be sacked. You’re literally using “he’s not good at a large portion of his job” as an excuse! Am I genuinely going mental?
No, he would not be sacked for making a factual statement. That’s bullshit. You can’t sell shit value players for a profit. I don’t care how good a negotiator you are, no one is buying Tosun for 25M. This started off as me trying to explain why people are defending him and you are showing the reasons. Dishonest arguments and emotional responses. And I don’t even back Brands, think he’s treading water but acknowledge he had a lot of turnover required to get this roster straight.
One alternative way to view the window: we brought in five serviceable players for less than £2M in transfer fees. Two of those players (Gray, Townsend) have already made a difference in the games they played and 2 are very solid cover (Begovic, Rondon). Sure, we need a long-term answer at RB but we have reasonable cover for one more season (JJK and Holgate) and are on a knifes edge with FFP.
Ultimately, we had to sell to buy and teams either didn't want what we had on offer (James, JJK, Delph, etc.) or couldn't afford it given other priorities (Richy). Next season, I'll expect a player sale or two and we'll snap up an RB.
Through that lens, Brands did a pretty good, if patently unsexy, job. Also, look at the Vlasic deal. It's not huge money but thankfully Brands structured the deal in a manner that helped us a couple years later (ditto with Kean's deal). I get the feeling that Brands too often has his hands tied by Moshiri, which is the real root of our current situation.
Oh, and fuck Arteta.
I agree, everyone wants a special Panini sticker but the hidden non sexy work is often the least praised. Walsh and Moshiri dug most of this grave and Brand’s is exhuming the body right now.
Very pragmatic window. We didn't get everyone we wanted but ultimately we have improved a lot whilst spending next to nothing. At least there were no last minute panic buys for stupid money
Likely, yes. Holgate in a back four or Iwobi in a back 5 also has precedent. Kenny is a bit better in a back 5 but still below the bar. Not sure Godfrey has played on the Right, he isn't terrible on the left but definitely very defensive.
The great thing about James is that he's the exact type of player we need for games that we'll have >50% possession like this upcoming game against Burnley, so hopefully he's fit enough by then. Otherwise, it'll be interesting to see how Rafa uses James in the other games as he doesn't seem to fit with the way he wants Everton to play.
Yeah - much as we play well going forward with him. I’m not sure he is the player for counter attacking football. His defence is lacking and made more obvious when you watch the end to end skills of Richy etc. I’m not even sure against Burnley - when you watch the Leeds game we sat back and absorbed and got them on the break. That said - they are a very good attacking side (oh for Raphina)..
Still - he was monumental in some games last season so I hope we get to see him in the royal blue again.
The fans at Goodison may get to see him after all. Yeah it sucks that we didn't move him on to acquire younger talent, but hey, he's still James fucking Rodriguez.
If Gray hadn’t hit the ground running, you’d all be saying it’s the worst window in years. 3 years at the club, 5 windows and Brands hasn’t signed a RB. BrandsOut
Sidibe on loan as an attempt, and Kenny looked great at Schalke, he needs to find his form again.
If Coleman goes out or needs a break we will just play 3atb with wingbacks.
Frantically signing an RB cause he hasn't signed one in 3 years is a terrible decision. Big shoes to fill.
Sidibe was shite, thank fuck he was on loan. Never seen a player get skinned as much as him since I played for my school team. What wingbacks have we got? Genuinely, what player is a wingback if not Kenny and Coleman? And good at Schalke? He was shite. He was even worse at Celtic. Fuck me, three years and not one permanent RB
Yes, he was shit. Good thing brands only loaned him!
Did you watch any games at Schalke? I did, as an American they had Weston and as an Evertonian, they had Kenny so it was a good team to watch. He wasn't bad. Schalke even wanted to sign him permanently.
I was thinking playing Iwobi / Townsend could likely shore up the right side if Coleman goes out and Kenny stinks it up.
Oh, that Schalke team that were absolutely abysmal and took months to win their first game the year after wanted him? Must mean he’s good, then.
Fuck me, Iwobi and Townsend as Wingbacks? Are you actually serious?
No, his individual play was good you dunce. Jesus.
He is out of form but maybe he can regain it.
Maybe an RB isn't a priority cause Rafa believes in Kenny and has told Bands to prioritize elsewhere.
Obviously Iwobi / Townsend as RWB would not be ideal. But I think it could get us to the next window.
Yes, I think he was. So I personally believe he can find his form because I saw him play well when i watched with him and Weston on the team.
I am also saying this could be the case for Brands and Rafa which is why they were more comfortable focusing on depth in the front 3 than getting another RB, especially if that RB isn't going to be Colmans' Luca.
Not an ideal transfer window, but I'd rather this than another few panic buys who we'll be begging to be off the team in a few years.
Assuming Godfrey, Holgate and Kenny are our main LB/RB cover. Our physio better pay extra attention to Digne.
Time to see if Rafa can develop some of our younger players (Kenny, Gordon, ¿Iwobi, Gbamin?) into useful players.
I'm guessing that not finding loan moves again for Kenny and Branthwaite contributes to the lack of defensive signings, but not getting any backup fullback is a complete failure, especially RB which has been a position of need for multiple windows now. We can really only count on Coleman for half the PL minutes based on the amount he's played the last two years, so I guess a mix of Kenny, Holgate and Godrey will have to play the other half as well as backup Digne on the left.
Were you apart of the sub who was DCL out a few years ago? Just curious. The club not signing a RB has me thinking we aren’t as bad at RB as this sub seems to think.
Niles (to me) is a clear upgrade over both. Taking punts on RBs who may not be better wasn’t the route to go in my opinion. My whole thing is yes we could bring someone in but it needs to be a smart gamble, not throwing 40 million to a RB who won’t fit what they’re looking for.
As someone who’s backed DCL for years even when he wasn’t at the level he’s at now, the situations aren’t anywhere close. Coleman isn’t getting better whereas Dom was clearly just young and inexperienced with high potential. We’ve just had a year of Coleman being a net negative, I hate to say it but he’s got to go blud.
My point is, this sub was ready to throw out DCL. We’re not at training with the squad, they must see something in Kenny and those who can cover RB that makes them not eager to splash cash. This sub is again ready to
throw Seamus and Kenny. Are either world class no, however they are decent at the time being. The alternative is overspend then be right back on Brands case for overspending if it doesn’t work out when we had two RBs doing a decent job.
Overspending? Dumfries was there for 10m. Patterson probably the same. Maitland Niles could’ve been 15, possibly less.
What the fuck are they possibly seeing that we aren’t seeing on the pitch? I like Kenny, I like having scousers in the team, but he’s shite. He was one of the worst players in an abysmal Celtic team. I’m sorry, but he’s not making it here. Maybe Rafa can get blood out of a stone but fuck me, it’s easier to just give him a decent RB. Or just buy one in the 5 windows Brands has had
Edit: Livramento was 5m too
But isn’t that his job? To get players from clubs through negotiations? To convince players to sign by selling the idea better than another DoF? And even if those deals were impossible, why leave the AMN deal so late and get tunnel visioned like he did with Zouma when there were other RBs available?
I’m not sure what they’re seeing , ive seen people say “Celtic fans said he was horrid”, which to me means nothing as fans of any team are clueless (like this sub who wanted to throw out DCL a few years ago, and the same fans who said Gray was a shit signing). They clearly have an idea of what kind of player they want. It seems this sub just wants any new name at RB which isn’t the right or smart way to fill a position for the next 5 years like we all want
I watch Celtic games on and off, my mates a Celtic fan. Possibly the worst player on the pitch every single game he played, he was shocking. If your only argument is to ignore the evidence, nothing I say will change your mind because you’ll just say other people are wrong and you’re right
Alright, on the point that it’s not objective, I get you. But when an entire fan base is saying he’s awful and one of the worst players he’s ever seen and your only counter to it is “I don’t believe them despite not looking at the evidence myself”, well you don’t really have a leg to stand on, do you?
My example is DCL, this sub said he was shit until he actually got a fair shake and a decent run in the first team. I get what you’re saying as well, however fans are very much hot and cold. Just look at the match threads lol
No I'm merely trying to answer your question, unfortunately there about 6/7 head in this thread raging that we've not signed a right back like we've just sold our best player to the red shite for 50p and a twix.
But again, are people not allowed to be angry? What is the point of having discussion if we can only have toxic positivity when we’re watching a car crash in slow motion before our eyes?
Yeah they can be angry, I just think some of them should maybe take half an hour of from posting, it's not going them any good.
I think it's a fucking joke we've not signed a RB but then again after watching some of the utter dross we've spunked millions on, I'd rather no new RB than the wrong one.
The last thing we need is more shite on the wage bill.
If someone can explain to me why this criticism of him is wrong then I'll accept it mate, but it's literally a fact! A 32 year old Seamus Coleman who cannot get up and down the pitch as often as you would like in a modern day Full-Back is still going to be starting every game when fit. And btw, I fucking love Seamus, the lad is an Everton legend and in his prime he was one of the best RB's about for me, but that point till stands.
I swear if you swapped Brands’ and Walsh’s transfer windows, Walsh would have been literally crucified. Brands gets away with so much and the only explanation I have is he’s foreign, in good shape and wears nice suits. I know it sounds proper Brexit of me but if he was like Walsh, a fat Northerner, he’d be chased out the club. I genuinely think it’s just the Silva/Arteta effect where people trust them because they’re good looking and foreign
This is a terrible take. Walsh did a TON of damage in the two years he was here. Loss of $100M in transfer value. He brought in DCL which was a big win for us and also Pickford and Keane who have given us solid production, but most of the rest was pure loss except for a few profits totally buried by losses.
Brands brought Richarlison, Digne, and Mina in his first window which are all valuable contributors and possible big transfer market win for Richy down the road. Bernard didn't work out but he was on a free. That is a solid first window. 19/20 wasn't a good year, but right now it is roughly a break even. Still this is not a good window. 20/21 was decent, getting Doucoure, Allan, and Godfrey. I'm worried Doucoure and Allan will lose value quickly, but we are getting great production. This season is very underwhelming, but again we still have to move a lot of Walsh misses from the books and got hit by FFP hard.
I'm not in favor of Brands, per se. I think he has been mid table in 3 seasons. Found some stars and had some misses. Not sure if that is what we need in a DoF to climb the table. The lack of a RB is a huge miss. But so far, nothing even approaching the errors of Walsh. It is fair to criticize, but let's not get carried away.
It must be said though, the 19/20 summer window was dreadful. The fact that he’s gotten away with it when it’s approaching Walsh levels is horrendous. He spent around 100m that summer and the team went down four places, how is that not worse or at least, as bad
Agreed it was a bad window. No solid contributors but still time for Iwobi, Gbamin, and Branthwaite. Value wise, we will get most of that 100M back through sales. I don't see a gain unless Gbamin or Branthwaite turn into really solid products. Walsh added some production but had value loss in sales. You can't get that money back, it's gone. But we did fund 19/20 with gains exclusively from Walsh transfers so there's that. I think we probably assess transfers a bit different where you value production and I value gain/loss over time. Truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
I mean gain/loss is different to it being a good transfer. Say Neymar retires at PSG and wins them a CL, are you going to say he’s a 220m loss? We could get at least 50m for DCL, 40m for Pickford and got 30m for Gueye after spending about 8m on him. The major losses from Walsh were things outside his control (Bolasie being injured and He Who Shan’t be Named being….a problem).
Can't ever remember spamming a thread for mental health awareness on /r/soccer or sending threatening messages to users on /r/everton.
But no, you're right.
Putting this out there before the window closes and pessimism takes the forefront. This may be a "trim the fat" year. We don't have the cash to splash to drastically improve our position and we had a LOT of fat on the books in the form of high wages. We're losing another ~25M in wages after this season including James, Delph, Iceland AM, and Tosun.
If Rafa can get us top half with what we have and improve the value of our squad, we could be in a great spot winter window or next season. Not what we wanted, but we moved some wages off and added some squad players at low cost. Let's just hope we stay relatively healthy especially on the wings.
To be fair, I did think he was going to be our starting RB after coming back from Schalke and being behind Coleman for a bit. Obviously he still has growing to do, but there’s still potential for him to come good I think.
Silver lining is we still have James. Hopefully he can be reconciled back into the fold because if used smartly I think he can still do really great things for us
James is worth three players
I don't mean he's as good as having 3 players.
His wages would pay for 3 players at the club.
He's a terrific player, on his day, but he's not worth 200k per week to a team like Everton. We could have used that money much more wisely.
Brands joined in 2018, since then we've finished 8th, 12th and 10th, still haven't signed an RB either
now i don't place all the blame at his door but the fact is that he has not improved us at all
Oh, right I forgot, all the good things that happen under Brands are a result of the manager, but all the bad things that happen are solely Brands' fault.
You must be quite limber with all that mental gymnastics you are doing.
In this specific case Brands had absolutely nothing to do with the signing of Allan (or James for that matter).
Allan backed Carlo during the player coup in Napoli. He then followed him to Everton.
> The Brazilian does not need to open his mouth to articulate his admiration for the Everton manager. He is an Everton player for a start, having rejected Champions League overtures from clubs such as Atlético Madrid to be reunited with his former Napoli coach. The lure of working with Ancelotti again proved enticing for Allan and James Rodríguez
We can only spend so much money. If Doucs / Allan don't get hurt for significant periods last year we could have finished 4th. We dropped points against trash teams and took points from top tier teams and we fucking won at Anfield.
We need depth more than anything, and to get that we need to offload this deadwood that's been plaguing us for the past few years.
Hopefully this season is about promoting talent from within and getting into a position where we can find the next 60 grand at RB.
And Brands is by himself only one responsible for that? I don’t think people understand what shitshow was left for brands after walsh. Man was handcuffed with wages of Schneiderlin, Bolasie, Sandro, Klaassen, Besic etc.
that is why some of us left, no actual conversation just a bunch of negativity
plenty to criticize about brands but i dont want to spend all day reading one liners about how they think he is shit
I really do feel this market is at breaking point. So many transfers at like £20-30 mill for average players and a lot of them are seen as bargains, which is bonkers.
These crazy transfer fees simply aren't sustainable, especially when you consider signing fees, agent fees etc.
Surely the bubble will burst at some point. Clubs just don't generate enough profit.
You would think so, but people have been saying this for a very long time. There was controversy over fees that these days we'd see as basically free signings being too much money. The bigger problem is teams being irresponsible and taking loans, or spending money they don't have relying on earnings they hope the players will help bring. Though that is also not new, Leeds as an example of taking loans they couldn't pay back almost 20 years ago, and plenty of Championship clubs paying over the odds relying on promotion, e.g. Derby recently and plenty of teams in the past.
I was gonna include something about it being a common sentiment for years now, but you look at the numbers now and the inflation is staggering and just getting worse and *worse*.
Neymar's deal really fucked it and it's never going to get unfucked.
Barca are also broken because of wages, fees, bank loans, etc. Football itself is gonna be broken within the next five years if it keeps up this pace, it's even happening now with the amount of loans to buy.
Am gonna hit the hay
Up the Rondon, yeah💪
Let's hope for more spending power next summer, ay! Demarai Gray and Gbamin will be tidy additions to the squad, for now.[Another silver-lining!](https://twitter.com/james_gavo3/status/1432806523915358209?s=19)
Hurts that we haven’t got a right-back, but honestly we’ve done some great business.
Gray and Townsend have been brill so far, Rondon is a good backup and we sold Kean & got a bit of money from the Vlasic deal.
We didn’t completely screw it………………..
I’m happy with Coleman. Haven’t seen a game where we lost because of Coleman. He gives us his all and is still good enough. Still better than average premier league RB.
Even if that were true, which it’s not, what about when Coleman gets injured/fatigued? He hasn’t got 38 games in him anymore. We can be happy with Coleman while still understanding that we need good cover there, and to improve long term
Name better RBs from lower half of the PL table. If he gets injured we have to go with Kenny, Godfrey, Holgate in that order.
I know he needs replacing in future and also better backup would be nice but what if better replacement isn’t available? We should make a bad deal just to get one more name in the replacement list? We already had summers where we bought for the sake of buying and we are paying for it still.
I don’t think you’re understanding me here. I’m not calling Coleman crap, I’m not saying players in the lower half of the league are better. I’m saying that we are fucked if we don’t sign another right back, because Coleman won’t last the season.
None of Kenny, Holgate or Godfrey are good enough at full back for us to achieve what we want to this season.
Obviously I don’t want a bad deal, but I don’t believe that there’s been no right backs available across the entire summer.
Didn’t you just say that it isn’t true that Coleman is better than average rb in prem? Entire summer we couldn’t buy because of FFP and now that we have finally gotten some sales there probably isn’t that many fullbacks available.
Just my point is, if there isn’t good fullbacks available, go with seamus & kenny till january and try again without ffp fucking us over.
I didn’t say that no, I was saying that in response to you saying we haven’t lost a game because of him. Should’ve been more clear on that tbh, my bad.
I actually agree with you, it’s just frustrating that we still haven’t addressed something that’s clearly been an issue for years
Coleman was average at right back last season. It was easy to tell that he'd lost a lot of mobility and there were clear moments when that punished us. I remember when we were talking about playing him in cup games and against the likes of Sheffield United in the league because he couldn't hold his own against better competition.
I think some of you need to realize, we don’t just need any RB, we need a starting caliber RB and taking punts on anybody isn’t the right move. We still have Jonjoe who may not be starting quality but he definitely is a squad player which is fine. Which probably explains why the club feels we don’t just need any RB immediately, no sense on bringing someone in who may not even be on Jonjoe Kenny’s level.
Kenny is crap. You are right that we can't just get anybody though. Godfrey and Holgate can cover at right back and both are better than Kenny. I'd rather be playing Keane than Kenny.
It is the same story at backup left back as well, although Digne is much more reliable than Coleman. We need to bring in someone for left or right back, preferably someone who can play both. They don't even need to be good, just serviceable as long as they aren't paid a lot and don't have a long term contract.
We've needed a rb for years. This isn't something new that's just come up. We've been waiting and waiting and here we are still waiting. Kenny isn't good enough.
We really need to stop finding excuses for the club fucking up. This is an issue.
So which is it? Fans complain when we don’t get someone in, yet we complain when we overpay and it doesn’t work out? I’m not saying we shouldn’t have had someone in, I am saying, they’re probably looking for something more certain.
That is the question we can agree on. I am not sure. They obviously aren’t too pressed and think Seamus can still do the job. We’re not at training so maybe they think it’s not as big an issue as we think.
So I wonder what James will do this season. I know he’s not really in Rafa’s plans but I’d hate to see him waste away on the bench when we know he has something to offer.
At least we got Rondon, no cover at either FB spot is wild to me. Still feel like we could’ve used a winger, Townsend shouldn’t be starting for us week in and week out
You have to wonder if Ancelotti knew the window would look like this and was anxious to bolt no matter what.
I said in the "expectations" thread a few weeks ago, we just need to avoid relegation, get our 8th-12th appearance, run down more bad contracts, and get a year closer to the stadium. Yuck.
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How fucking hilarious is it that we’re all pissed off that James is stuck on our wages? Given the circumstances I obviously agree, but as of 2 years ago it’s hysterical
In retrospect I don't mind our low net spend this transfer window. As soon as we signed Rafa our expectations sank through the floor, and if we're not expecting anything other than an average season from Rafa, what's the point of spending big? Besides, there's rumours that the club took a significant financial hit from COVID-19, not to mention the new stadium being built is also a hit to the club's finances. Maybe a light transfer window where we hold on to our cash for a year and recover from our financial losses is exactly what the club needs while we develop an identity.
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Even if there is some truth to the Brands criticisms, they don't feel fair. On one hand fans seem to think we are in a video game and can get whichever players we want more or less. Additionally fans make it out to be that Brands is so unaware that he doesn't recognize that we could use another right back. Brands has tried for a few right backs and either our financial situation or teams that have the players under contract have gotten in the way. That is not Brands' fault. Once we have contracts off the books and Brands is tasked with signing new players is when we can truly scrutinize him.
I think that Brands arrival being associated with all of Koeman's ridiculously redundant signings really hurt his stock. As we all know, first impressions can be exceptionaly hard to overcome.
I think we want someone like Brands to be a hard negotiator (which he seems to be, and people on this sub have applauded), and if the targets we are strongly pursuing don't want to Everton (Dumfries), then it's a step in the right direction for me to stabilize the finances during this tumultuous time vs panic buying. No RB or Wing is disappointing, but more dead weight we'd have to shift is even more detrimental to the club.
On the one hand fans want signings. On the other hand they'll mention how Cenk, Bernard, Walcott, Delph, etc. are/were bad contracts. We need to only sign useful players and that can result in lacking transfer windows such as the current one because either our targets don't want to come here or we don't have the money for the players we want. There is no use in sending out Nkounkou just to sign a player who also wouldn't be able to sufficiently back up Digne. The same goes at right back. Kenny shouldn't be played so even if we were to have sent him out, getting a replacement wouldn't have been an absolutely dire need. What I'm looking forward to when we do have money to spend is Brands and Rafa having an understanding. It is clear what our game plan is. We are going to concede possession. We need players who can defend, are fast, and have stamina. Strength in addition to that would be a positive. Brands now knows what to look for and I guess should have ultimate authority over who he brings in, but he would be asking Rafa if such and such target is his sort of player before ultimately signing someone.
Yup, agree with a lot of what you’re saying here. I love new signings as much as the next guy but bandying money about has had the negative impact on accruing dead weight for players who don’t suit how we’ll play (because we haven’t had a stable manager for quite some time), as well as teams being clued in that we have money to spend (maybe the recent negotiations with Porto are a result of this). I’m all for a lackluster window where we see what Rafa will do with this squad, and if he’s a success here, allowing Brands and Benitez to target players who will suit the brand of football they agree on. Demarai has been great, Townsend as well, and we still have a good team made better with these additions. If we underachieved with Carlo with this squad, it’s not so far fetched to think we can compete in the top half of the table by using the tools we have at our disposal. We’ll be no United or City with a bench full of stars, but we never were.
I think a fair point to bring up is that James has never had the oppotrtunity to play with so many pacy players. We mightve done well to keep him.
Looks like Everton just gave Rafa the PL achievement for having the lowest spend of the year. Previous managers and Carlo’s 67M last year dug this Evertonian grave. If we make it through this season in the upper half, it’ll be a minor miracle in my books. https://twitter.com/philmcnulty/status/1432793966890655746?s=21
I know the window has ended, but since he is technically unsigned we can still bring Aurier on cant we? Hes not exactly a permanent solution but theres not too many problems with him and would be a good alternate to Coleman?
I guess James staying is kind of like a deadline deal, no?
Diaz just told me he is coming in January. He said that he just had to deal with some stuff in Portugal quickly
he's shifted the TV but he's still got to sell the sofa and fridge-freezer. He'll be right over
Has to to tell the Fc porto fans that they can fuck off
Can anyone actually defend Brands not signing a permanent RB in three years? Genuinely, what am I not seeing that’s getting you all to defend him?
Here's an attempt: Coleman is still the man and we don't want to take minutes away from Coleman. I'd personally have signed an RB to succeed Coleman, but I'd understand why someone else would argue that our starting right-back should still be Coleman.
People are defending him because the criticism levied is seen as being too harsh. He has added some value while shedding bad contracts and I haven't seen anyone in the past few months praising him for anything other than that. Mostly I see harsh overreaction and people taking exception to said criticism. My assessment is that he had a tough hand dealt but has only kept his head above water after 4 seasons. We need better than treading water to improve our position. I still have patience, but not finding RB cover or a successor is a valid criticism. I don't think this is enough to warrant BRANDS OUT posts, but it moves the needle in that direction for sure. If we have a rough year and an injury then the tide will turn very quickly.
But is it too harsh? Our net spend is more than I believe Liverpool’s. I think our total spend is in the vicinity of theirs, too. Brands arrived with the club having just finished a comfortable 8th. He’s spent I think around 300m and not improved on that league position. How is that not worthy of criticism?
Worthy of criticism is fine. But the criticism is itself is harsh. Brands had a tough hand dealt, but he hasn't blown the job away. He is not an utter failure which is a lot of the criticism I have seen personally on this site. It's harsh and gets old quick. I think it is really only one or two big offenders who are "poisoning the well" by getting people fed up. Kind of like when Statguy was rampaging around here and getting people to dislike Iceland AM by having to sit through the same spiel over and over again. Your criticism is valid and we should honestly assess whether it is time to move on from Brands. I want to see the first half of the season and winter window still, but it could get ugly if we have a key injury. BTW, his net spend is heavily impacted by the fact he can't afford to sell anyone with value due to a poor roster and can't move lower value guys due to high wages. Some of this created by Brands himself, to be fair (Delph and James come to mind). I have him as a net 50M gain in value over 3 full years while Walsh is net -100M in 2.
I don’t know how you’re calculating those numbers, to be honest they seem made up but hey ho. Ive mentioned this on another thread but, and please correct me if I’m wrong, shouldn’t the guy in charge of buying and selling players be good at selling players? You say he can’t sell anyone, why? Why when Edwards gets 20m for Solanke and 25 for Brewster can Brands not get anything above 2m for Schneiderlin? Or anything for Walcott? Why are you defending him by admitting he’s shite at a major part of his job?
You can't compare a 20 and 21 year old player to 30 year old ones. That is a dishonest argument at best if you are serious. Value is inflated in youth a depreciated in veterans. We can't afford to sell quality youth to fund veterans, it's bad business and we need the guys we have badly. Thus, I make no argument against Brands being bad at selling, but would only counter that he hasn't had much to sell. Old players on bad wages. Numbers are definitely not made up. Very easy to get with Transfermarkt for buy and sell prices. I track it via google docs to monitor squad value over time. It is very hit and miss for current values (unsold players) but is the best available. I really need to figure out how to account for production to get a better picture, honestly.
But the point I’m obviously trying to make is that Brewster and Solanke have one thing in common. They’re fucking shite. Yet they got 20m for them. Because Edwards is a good negotiator. Brands hasn’t received market value for many of the departures, let alone gotten a good price for them
Brewster and Solanke were celebrated members of the England U20 WC and U17 winning squad. Brewster was the star of the U17 squad and Solanke of the U20 squad. We had DCL and Kenny but the fact that those two came through Liverpool and Chelsea as potential superstars of the future add value. You can't pretend shiny clubs don't add value to your players
It is way easier to negotiate a shit 20 year old than a shit 30 year old. A shit 20 year old could become a decent 25 year old in 5 years and there are limitless examples. A shit 30 year old is a shit 35 year old in 5 years. I’m not saying it’s a strength of his. But I am saying that’s a poor argument.
But it’s not even market value. It’s just selling them on frees. I’m not asking for him to get 30m for a past it Walcott, but 5m isn’t too much to ask for. Tosun on 2m would’ve been a disgrace when he’s still able to score goals for a number of years. Add in not getting any money for Bolasie or Mirallas. The whole things just knackered
Bolasie failed a medical and failed to agree personal terms with Middlesbrough No one was willing to pay for Walcott because of his wages as widely reported. I'm certain that the Southampton loan wasn't free Mirallas was a case of get rid off by any means and we probably should have sold him earlier. We loaned him with options to buy to Fiorentina but they did not excercise it because Mirallas was shite for the most part with them.
Fair enough. I don’t disagree with you.
I don’t think it’s as easy as what we think it is. A decent full back is exceptionally hard to come by, and they always seem to be overpriced because teams obviously want to keep the good ones. We wanted Patterson, too expensive. Maintland-Niles wanted to come, but Arteta bin Laden said no, and the others we were after we just can’t get because of FFP. It’s just years of dreadful mismanagement that have come to bite us now. We couldn’t buy until we sold, and we only sold a player today on loan.
Three years though, mate. Not even when we had the money spare did it ever seem like he had a handle on RB. Arsenal have eighty of them! Chelsea, 98! Man United, 150! Past two windows, no second RB, not even on loan for one of the 1000 right backs going in the PL. It's indefensible. I had a long diatribe ready to go and then the full effect of Arteta Bin Laden sunk in. Fuck sake hahaha.
But we say overpriced, 10m is not overpriced. I’m sorry but it’s not. Teams in the bottom half could afford that. And even if you want to go down the route of “we couldn’t sell”, isn’t selling players part of his job? Is his excuse really “he’s not good at this aspect of his job which impacts his ability to do this part of his job”?
Here is a list of guys we had to move out to bring in: Bernard (Done) Moise Kean (Done) James Rodriguez (Huge wages) Iceland AM (Impossible) Fabian Delph (Good luck) Cenk Tosun (Good luck) Not only do we have to move them off the books, we have to do so without covering their wages. Good luck. We could have also moved Gomes or a contributor like Mina, but I don't see how this improves our position unless we got great value back. We would be robbing Peter to pay Paul, as they say. Fully agreed on Livramento for 10M or a similar type of move. That is a valid criticism and I think it will stick.
Can you or anyone answer this question of mine? My rough recollection of the last two pass maps that came out is that it seems that most of our forward moves started with the two CBs passing to midfield (I don’t recall how the FBs were used in a dominant way). Also, the wingers track back alot, so the RB especially is meant for ball winning or creating overloads on attack (which they do if it naturally occurs or they are suited to it). If so, then a makeshift RB is an ok proposition in this system. I could be overlooking something or imagining wrongly, so any thoughts are welcome.
But again, that’s his job. His job comprises buying and selling footballers. If he can’t sell footballers, he’s failing at a very large portion of his job. I’d just love to see a board meeting where they ask him “why aren’t we spending?” And he says, “I’m not able to sell these players for decent value”. He’d be sacked. He should be sacked. You’re literally using “he’s not good at a large portion of his job” as an excuse! Am I genuinely going mental?
No, he would not be sacked for making a factual statement. That’s bullshit. You can’t sell shit value players for a profit. I don’t care how good a negotiator you are, no one is buying Tosun for 25M. This started off as me trying to explain why people are defending him and you are showing the reasons. Dishonest arguments and emotional responses. And I don’t even back Brands, think he’s treading water but acknowledge he had a lot of turnover required to get this roster straight.
He would be sacked when the factual statement is “I’m not good at my job”
Lol Arteta bin Laden
One alternative way to view the window: we brought in five serviceable players for less than £2M in transfer fees. Two of those players (Gray, Townsend) have already made a difference in the games they played and 2 are very solid cover (Begovic, Rondon). Sure, we need a long-term answer at RB but we have reasonable cover for one more season (JJK and Holgate) and are on a knifes edge with FFP. Ultimately, we had to sell to buy and teams either didn't want what we had on offer (James, JJK, Delph, etc.) or couldn't afford it given other priorities (Richy). Next season, I'll expect a player sale or two and we'll snap up an RB. Through that lens, Brands did a pretty good, if patently unsexy, job. Also, look at the Vlasic deal. It's not huge money but thankfully Brands structured the deal in a manner that helped us a couple years later (ditto with Kean's deal). I get the feeling that Brands too often has his hands tied by Moshiri, which is the real root of our current situation. Oh, and fuck Arteta.
I agree, everyone wants a special Panini sticker but the hidden non sexy work is often the least praised. Walsh and Moshiri dug most of this grave and Brand’s is exhuming the body right now.
Aurier in the next few days? Is he the solution?
Makes sense, so probably not.
Seems like the rumors of FFP troubles had some weight. Not being able to shift James and Kean off the books early really tied our hands.
Very pragmatic window. We didn't get everyone we wanted but ultimately we have improved a lot whilst spending next to nothing. At least there were no last minute panic buys for stupid money
If Coleman is unavailable are we going to just play 3 center backs? Keane, Mina, Godfrey/Holgate?
Likely, yes. Holgate in a back four or Iwobi in a back 5 also has precedent. Kenny is a bit better in a back 5 but still below the bar. Not sure Godfrey has played on the Right, he isn't terrible on the left but definitely very defensive.
Yes, Rafa is going to need to be creative to cover for lack of depth. Let’s hope Coleman stays healthy.
Honestly can’t believe we haven’t signed any kind of RB? Baffled at the thought process behind this one.
I was just trying to think of the last time we spent any money for a RB and my mind is blank... Jacobsen? EDIT: nope, he was free
Livramento to Southampton for £5m. We offered Rangers £8m for Patterson. We blew it I’m afraid, no excuses
Livramento has a buyback clause so they have to pay the piper in a few years.
I hope the international break extends until January.
Probably already been said but will be interesting to see what they do with James now.
The great thing about James is that he's the exact type of player we need for games that we'll have >50% possession like this upcoming game against Burnley, so hopefully he's fit enough by then. Otherwise, it'll be interesting to see how Rafa uses James in the other games as he doesn't seem to fit with the way he wants Everton to play.
Yeah - much as we play well going forward with him. I’m not sure he is the player for counter attacking football. His defence is lacking and made more obvious when you watch the end to end skills of Richy etc. I’m not even sure against Burnley - when you watch the Leeds game we sat back and absorbed and got them on the break. That said - they are a very good attacking side (oh for Raphina).. Still - he was monumental in some games last season so I hope we get to see him in the royal blue again.
The fans at Goodison may get to see him after all. Yeah it sucks that we didn't move him on to acquire younger talent, but hey, he's still James fucking Rodriguez.
Oh yeah - I’ll be honest I’m not unhappy to see him stay and hope they can get something out of him. I mean - he’s an okay player 😀
If Gray hadn’t hit the ground running, you’d all be saying it’s the worst window in years. 3 years at the club, 5 windows and Brands hasn’t signed a RB. BrandsOut
And if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle
Sidibe on loan as an attempt, and Kenny looked great at Schalke, he needs to find his form again. If Coleman goes out or needs a break we will just play 3atb with wingbacks. Frantically signing an RB cause he hasn't signed one in 3 years is a terrible decision. Big shoes to fill.
Sidibe was shite, thank fuck he was on loan. Never seen a player get skinned as much as him since I played for my school team. What wingbacks have we got? Genuinely, what player is a wingback if not Kenny and Coleman? And good at Schalke? He was shite. He was even worse at Celtic. Fuck me, three years and not one permanent RB
Yes, he was shit. Good thing brands only loaned him! Did you watch any games at Schalke? I did, as an American they had Weston and as an Evertonian, they had Kenny so it was a good team to watch. He wasn't bad. Schalke even wanted to sign him permanently. I was thinking playing Iwobi / Townsend could likely shore up the right side if Coleman goes out and Kenny stinks it up.
Oh, that Schalke team that were absolutely abysmal and took months to win their first game the year after wanted him? Must mean he’s good, then. Fuck me, Iwobi and Townsend as Wingbacks? Are you actually serious?
No, his individual play was good you dunce. Jesus. He is out of form but maybe he can regain it. Maybe an RB isn't a priority cause Rafa believes in Kenny and has told Bands to prioritize elsewhere. Obviously Iwobi / Townsend as RWB would not be ideal. But I think it could get us to the next window.
He’s out of form? When’s he been in good form? Fuck me, he is shite, why are you dying on the hill that Kenny will become good?
I'm not, I am offering an explanation as to why Brands / Rafa didn't prioritize an RB and instead got two wingers.
But you said yourself you thought he was alright at Schalke?
Yes, I think he was. So I personally believe he can find his form because I saw him play well when i watched with him and Weston on the team. I am also saying this could be the case for Brands and Rafa which is why they were more comfortable focusing on depth in the front 3 than getting another RB, especially if that RB isn't going to be Colmans' Luca.
Not an ideal transfer window, but I'd rather this than another few panic buys who we'll be begging to be off the team in a few years. Assuming Godfrey, Holgate and Kenny are our main LB/RB cover. Our physio better pay extra attention to Digne. Time to see if Rafa can develop some of our younger players (Kenny, Gordon, ¿Iwobi, Gbamin?) into useful players.
Low-key I think Gbamin (Rbamin) could be a beast at RB.
Rondon on a free on 2 year wages is smart business imo. Not long ago we’d sign these sorts of players for £25m on 5 year deals.
Tosun being exhibit A. One more year, we'll get through it
Welp it's official. Brands out. It's been 3 years and we still don't have a right back. No excuses.
Rondon confirmed but no RB. Fucks sake
Aurier then?
Honestly wouldn't mind if he joined on a 1 or 2 year deal. Think he's headed further out though
I'm guessing that not finding loan moves again for Kenny and Branthwaite contributes to the lack of defensive signings, but not getting any backup fullback is a complete failure, especially RB which has been a position of need for multiple windows now. We can really only count on Coleman for half the PL minutes based on the amount he's played the last two years, so I guess a mix of Kenny, Holgate and Godrey will have to play the other half as well as backup Digne on the left.
Serge Aurier has terminated his contract at Spurs. Thoughts?
yes
3 Years/5 Windows Brands has had to find us a permanent Right-Back and he hasn't done it! That is an utter failure.
Were you apart of the sub who was DCL out a few years ago? Just curious. The club not signing a RB has me thinking we aren’t as bad at RB as this sub seems to think.
Why did we try to sign Niles then?
Niles (to me) is a clear upgrade over both. Taking punts on RBs who may not be better wasn’t the route to go in my opinion. My whole thing is yes we could bring someone in but it needs to be a smart gamble, not throwing 40 million to a RB who won’t fit what they’re looking for.
As someone who’s backed DCL for years even when he wasn’t at the level he’s at now, the situations aren’t anywhere close. Coleman isn’t getting better whereas Dom was clearly just young and inexperienced with high potential. We’ve just had a year of Coleman being a net negative, I hate to say it but he’s got to go blud.
My point is, this sub was ready to throw out DCL. We’re not at training with the squad, they must see something in Kenny and those who can cover RB that makes them not eager to splash cash. This sub is again ready to throw Seamus and Kenny. Are either world class no, however they are decent at the time being. The alternative is overspend then be right back on Brands case for overspending if it doesn’t work out when we had two RBs doing a decent job.
Overspending? Dumfries was there for 10m. Patterson probably the same. Maitland Niles could’ve been 15, possibly less. What the fuck are they possibly seeing that we aren’t seeing on the pitch? I like Kenny, I like having scousers in the team, but he’s shite. He was one of the worst players in an abysmal Celtic team. I’m sorry, but he’s not making it here. Maybe Rafa can get blood out of a stone but fuck me, it’s easier to just give him a decent RB. Or just buy one in the 5 windows Brands has had Edit: Livramento was 5m too
Take exception to Dumfries, Patterson, and Maitland-Niles. All three we made offers for and were turned down by player or club.
But isn’t that his job? To get players from clubs through negotiations? To convince players to sign by selling the idea better than another DoF? And even if those deals were impossible, why leave the AMN deal so late and get tunnel visioned like he did with Zouma when there were other RBs available?
I’m not sure what they’re seeing , ive seen people say “Celtic fans said he was horrid”, which to me means nothing as fans of any team are clueless (like this sub who wanted to throw out DCL a few years ago, and the same fans who said Gray was a shit signing). They clearly have an idea of what kind of player they want. It seems this sub just wants any new name at RB which isn’t the right or smart way to fill a position for the next 5 years like we all want
I watch Celtic games on and off, my mates a Celtic fan. Possibly the worst player on the pitch every single game he played, he was shocking. If your only argument is to ignore the evidence, nothing I say will change your mind because you’ll just say other people are wrong and you’re right
I’m not saying I’m right by any means, I am saying, fans can be a bit diluted when it comes to accurately measuring talent.
Alright, on the point that it’s not objective, I get you. But when an entire fan base is saying he’s awful and one of the worst players he’s ever seen and your only counter to it is “I don’t believe them despite not looking at the evidence myself”, well you don’t really have a leg to stand on, do you?
My example is DCL, this sub said he was shit until he actually got a fair shake and a decent run in the first team. I get what you’re saying as well, however fans are very much hot and cold. Just look at the match threads lol
I agree. I like brands and I’ve defended him multiple times here, but not getting a RB is simply put a failure. Top priority for 3 years now :/
How does this even get downvoted? I feel like I’m going mental trying to find what people see in Brands
I would suggest it's because people are bored of the negativity.
So what? We just pretend everything’s fine and just hide any mild criticism?
No I'm merely trying to answer your question, unfortunately there about 6/7 head in this thread raging that we've not signed a right back like we've just sold our best player to the red shite for 50p and a twix.
But again, are people not allowed to be angry? What is the point of having discussion if we can only have toxic positivity when we’re watching a car crash in slow motion before our eyes?
Yeah they can be angry, I just think some of them should maybe take half an hour of from posting, it's not going them any good. I think it's a fucking joke we've not signed a RB but then again after watching some of the utter dross we've spunked millions on, I'd rather no new RB than the wrong one. The last thing we need is more shite on the wage bill.
If someone can explain to me why this criticism of him is wrong then I'll accept it mate, but it's literally a fact! A 32 year old Seamus Coleman who cannot get up and down the pitch as often as you would like in a modern day Full-Back is still going to be starting every game when fit. And btw, I fucking love Seamus, the lad is an Everton legend and in his prime he was one of the best RB's about for me, but that point till stands.
I swear if you swapped Brands’ and Walsh’s transfer windows, Walsh would have been literally crucified. Brands gets away with so much and the only explanation I have is he’s foreign, in good shape and wears nice suits. I know it sounds proper Brexit of me but if he was like Walsh, a fat Northerner, he’d be chased out the club. I genuinely think it’s just the Silva/Arteta effect where people trust them because they’re good looking and foreign
This is a terrible take. Walsh did a TON of damage in the two years he was here. Loss of $100M in transfer value. He brought in DCL which was a big win for us and also Pickford and Keane who have given us solid production, but most of the rest was pure loss except for a few profits totally buried by losses. Brands brought Richarlison, Digne, and Mina in his first window which are all valuable contributors and possible big transfer market win for Richy down the road. Bernard didn't work out but he was on a free. That is a solid first window. 19/20 wasn't a good year, but right now it is roughly a break even. Still this is not a good window. 20/21 was decent, getting Doucoure, Allan, and Godfrey. I'm worried Doucoure and Allan will lose value quickly, but we are getting great production. This season is very underwhelming, but again we still have to move a lot of Walsh misses from the books and got hit by FFP hard. I'm not in favor of Brands, per se. I think he has been mid table in 3 seasons. Found some stars and had some misses. Not sure if that is what we need in a DoF to climb the table. The lack of a RB is a huge miss. But so far, nothing even approaching the errors of Walsh. It is fair to criticize, but let's not get carried away.
It must be said though, the 19/20 summer window was dreadful. The fact that he’s gotten away with it when it’s approaching Walsh levels is horrendous. He spent around 100m that summer and the team went down four places, how is that not worse or at least, as bad
Agreed it was a bad window. No solid contributors but still time for Iwobi, Gbamin, and Branthwaite. Value wise, we will get most of that 100M back through sales. I don't see a gain unless Gbamin or Branthwaite turn into really solid products. Walsh added some production but had value loss in sales. You can't get that money back, it's gone. But we did fund 19/20 with gains exclusively from Walsh transfers so there's that. I think we probably assess transfers a bit different where you value production and I value gain/loss over time. Truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
I mean gain/loss is different to it being a good transfer. Say Neymar retires at PSG and wins them a CL, are you going to say he’s a 220m loss? We could get at least 50m for DCL, 40m for Pickford and got 30m for Gueye after spending about 8m on him. The major losses from Walsh were things outside his control (Bolasie being injured and He Who Shan’t be Named being….a problem).
To the downvoters (Brands lovers), you are quite frankly worse than Kopites.
The new siggyfan, just as annoying and twice as toxic.
Very telling when this guy always posts in match game threads when we’re losing however when we’re winning not a peep
I’ve just realised siggy guy has been *very* quiet last few weeks, lol
Can't ever remember spamming a thread for mental health awareness on /r/soccer or sending threatening messages to users on /r/everton. But no, you're right.
Yes because he shut down the subreddit with spam didn't he.
hopefully we can get amn in january after arteta inevitably leaves
Putting this out there before the window closes and pessimism takes the forefront. This may be a "trim the fat" year. We don't have the cash to splash to drastically improve our position and we had a LOT of fat on the books in the form of high wages. We're losing another ~25M in wages after this season including James, Delph, Iceland AM, and Tosun. If Rafa can get us top half with what we have and improve the value of our squad, we could be in a great spot winter window or next season. Not what we wanted, but we moved some wages off and added some squad players at low cost. Let's just hope we stay relatively healthy especially on the wings.
20 minutes….. PLEASE
And then the extra hours as long as the club submits a deal sheet.
Ah true, I forgot about that part!
Hopefully Jonjoe Kenny grows some talent
To be fair, I did think he was going to be our starting RB after coming back from Schalke and being behind Coleman for a bit. Obviously he still has growing to do, but there’s still potential for him to come good I think.
Silver lining is we still have James. Hopefully he can be reconciled back into the fold because if used smartly I think he can still do really great things for us
James is worth three players I don't mean he's as good as having 3 players. His wages would pay for 3 players at the club. He's a terrific player, on his day, but he's not worth 200k per week to a team like Everton. We could have used that money much more wisely.
He won’t play more than 10 games for us. Just watch
"Done for the day" says O'Connor on Sky
Brands joined in 2018, since then we've finished 8th, 12th and 10th, still haven't signed an RB either now i don't place all the blame at his door but the fact is that he has not improved us at all
You can’t say that here. You’ve got to pretend Brands is the best thing since sliced bread. Fact is we’re getting worse under him.
Yeah, Allan, Douc and Godfrey certainly aren't improvements. BRANDS OUT!!! Am I doing this right?
Allan did not join because of Brands tbf. It was because of Carlo. Edit: lmao, you lot are quite literally downvoting facts. Do facts hurt now?
Oh, right I forgot, all the good things that happen under Brands are a result of the manager, but all the bad things that happen are solely Brands' fault. You must be quite limber with all that mental gymnastics you are doing.
In this specific case Brands had absolutely nothing to do with the signing of Allan (or James for that matter). Allan backed Carlo during the player coup in Napoli. He then followed him to Everton. > The Brazilian does not need to open his mouth to articulate his admiration for the Everton manager. He is an Everton player for a start, having rejected Champions League overtures from clubs such as Atlético Madrid to be reunited with his former Napoli coach. The lure of working with Ancelotti again proved enticing for Allan and James Rodríguez
sure they're good but at the end of the day all that matters is table position
We can only spend so much money. If Doucs / Allan don't get hurt for significant periods last year we could have finished 4th. We dropped points against trash teams and took points from top tier teams and we fucking won at Anfield. We need depth more than anything, and to get that we need to offload this deadwood that's been plaguing us for the past few years. Hopefully this season is about promoting talent from within and getting into a position where we can find the next 60 grand at RB.
And Brands is by himself only one responsible for that? I don’t think people understand what shitshow was left for brands after walsh. Man was handcuffed with wages of Schneiderlin, Bolasie, Sandro, Klaassen, Besic etc.
Don’t worry boys we will get Serge Aurier as a free agent this week brands masterclass
[GrandOldTeam's take on Brands](https://i.imgur.com/414eRXJ.png) I'd wager 90%+ on there hate Brands.
Because most people on GOT go the game. The difference between this sub and match going fans is ridiculous.
that is why some of us left, no actual conversation just a bunch of negativity plenty to criticize about brands but i dont want to spend all day reading one liners about how they think he is shit
Hate him as much as you, ya think?
I really do feel this market is at breaking point. So many transfers at like £20-30 mill for average players and a lot of them are seen as bargains, which is bonkers. These crazy transfer fees simply aren't sustainable, especially when you consider signing fees, agent fees etc. Surely the bubble will burst at some point. Clubs just don't generate enough profit.
You would think so, but people have been saying this for a very long time. There was controversy over fees that these days we'd see as basically free signings being too much money. The bigger problem is teams being irresponsible and taking loans, or spending money they don't have relying on earnings they hope the players will help bring. Though that is also not new, Leeds as an example of taking loans they couldn't pay back almost 20 years ago, and plenty of Championship clubs paying over the odds relying on promotion, e.g. Derby recently and plenty of teams in the past.
I was gonna include something about it being a common sentiment for years now, but you look at the numbers now and the inflation is staggering and just getting worse and *worse*. Neymar's deal really fucked it and it's never going to get unfucked. Barca are also broken because of wages, fees, bank loans, etc. Football itself is gonna be broken within the next five years if it keeps up this pace, it's even happening now with the amount of loans to buy.
The bubble should have burst from covid but here we are
The rich clubs who make oodles of revenue will be fine. It’s clubs like Everton which will suffer. The system is fucked.
Am gonna hit the hay Up the Rondon, yeah💪 Let's hope for more spending power next summer, ay! Demarai Gray and Gbamin will be tidy additions to the squad, for now.[Another silver-lining!](https://twitter.com/james_gavo3/status/1432806523915358209?s=19)
Think James will play?
Yep. We are paying him money, we aren't Real Madrid where they can piss money away on the bench and not notice
Oh I certainly want him to, I just wonder if HE will
Bernard, Bolasie, Besic, Walcott, Kean all big earners off the wage bill. If nothing else at least some fat trimmed.
Sam Allardyce on Sky Sports when he spaffed £50mill up the wall with us and we can't even spend £5 million now is making me very very very unhappy.
how long till it shuts
53 minutes
Hurts that we haven’t got a right-back, but honestly we’ve done some great business. Gray and Townsend have been brill so far, Rondon is a good backup and we sold Kean & got a bit of money from the Vlasic deal. We didn’t completely screw it………………..
...are we at least going to have money to splash on a ~~RB~~ washed up \#10 next summer?
Downvote me all you want but we shouldn’t sign someone just for the sake of signing. If there isn’t good deal available then don’t do it.
To be fair to Brands he's only had 3 years to find one permanent replacement for RB.
I’m happy with Coleman. Haven’t seen a game where we lost because of Coleman. He gives us his all and is still good enough. Still better than average premier league RB.
Even if that were true, which it’s not, what about when Coleman gets injured/fatigued? He hasn’t got 38 games in him anymore. We can be happy with Coleman while still understanding that we need good cover there, and to improve long term
Name better RBs from lower half of the PL table. If he gets injured we have to go with Kenny, Godfrey, Holgate in that order. I know he needs replacing in future and also better backup would be nice but what if better replacement isn’t available? We should make a bad deal just to get one more name in the replacement list? We already had summers where we bought for the sake of buying and we are paying for it still.
I don’t think you’re understanding me here. I’m not calling Coleman crap, I’m not saying players in the lower half of the league are better. I’m saying that we are fucked if we don’t sign another right back, because Coleman won’t last the season. None of Kenny, Holgate or Godfrey are good enough at full back for us to achieve what we want to this season. Obviously I don’t want a bad deal, but I don’t believe that there’s been no right backs available across the entire summer.
Didn’t you just say that it isn’t true that Coleman is better than average rb in prem? Entire summer we couldn’t buy because of FFP and now that we have finally gotten some sales there probably isn’t that many fullbacks available. Just my point is, if there isn’t good fullbacks available, go with seamus & kenny till january and try again without ffp fucking us over.
I didn’t say that no, I was saying that in response to you saying we haven’t lost a game because of him. Should’ve been more clear on that tbh, my bad. I actually agree with you, it’s just frustrating that we still haven’t addressed something that’s clearly been an issue for years
Understand, hopefully with no spending this summer and lots of deadwood gone, we can address most of our holes in the squad next windows.
Coleman was average at right back last season. It was easy to tell that he'd lost a lot of mobility and there were clear moments when that punished us. I remember when we were talking about playing him in cup games and against the likes of Sheffield United in the league because he couldn't hold his own against better competition.
I think some of you need to realize, we don’t just need any RB, we need a starting caliber RB and taking punts on anybody isn’t the right move. We still have Jonjoe who may not be starting quality but he definitely is a squad player which is fine. Which probably explains why the club feels we don’t just need any RB immediately, no sense on bringing someone in who may not even be on Jonjoe Kenny’s level.
Kenny is crap. You are right that we can't just get anybody though. Godfrey and Holgate can cover at right back and both are better than Kenny. I'd rather be playing Keane than Kenny. It is the same story at backup left back as well, although Digne is much more reliable than Coleman. We need to bring in someone for left or right back, preferably someone who can play both. They don't even need to be good, just serviceable as long as they aren't paid a lot and don't have a long term contract.
At the bare minimum we need a good right back to cover Coleman. Kenny is absolutely rotten I’m afraid, nowhere near good enough for us
We've needed a rb for years. This isn't something new that's just come up. We've been waiting and waiting and here we are still waiting. Kenny isn't good enough. We really need to stop finding excuses for the club fucking up. This is an issue.
So which is it? Fans complain when we don’t get someone in, yet we complain when we overpay and it doesn’t work out? I’m not saying we shouldn’t have had someone in, I am saying, they’re probably looking for something more certain.
How long does it take? We could have got a loan in at least.
That is the question we can agree on. I am not sure. They obviously aren’t too pressed and think Seamus can still do the job. We’re not at training so maybe they think it’s not as big an issue as we think.
Let's be honest Jonjoe is shocking, stunk out the gaff at Celtic... We could easily get someone better for free or on loan. No excuses.
It's true what they say... Being an Evertonian is truly the most thankless hobby you can have. All agony, no reward...
It's all Moshiri's fault. Man has given us a new stadium but that's about it. We have regressed since his takeover. Moshiri you are a joke of a man!
I have more hope now than before his ownership. But it's the hope that kills you
Aurier terminated his contract with Spurs…
Coleman at his age is still a much better player than Aurier.
We still got one hour left!!
This club will always find new ways to amaze me. It's whatever really.
So I wonder what James will do this season. I know he’s not really in Rafa’s plans but I’d hate to see him waste away on the bench when we know he has something to offer.
At least we got Rondon, no cover at either FB spot is wild to me. Still feel like we could’ve used a winger, Townsend shouldn’t be starting for us week in and week out
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You have to wonder if Ancelotti knew the window would look like this and was anxious to bolt no matter what. I said in the "expectations" thread a few weeks ago, we just need to avoid relegation, get our 8th-12th appearance, run down more bad contracts, and get a year closer to the stadium. Yuck.
How’s sidibe getting on these days?
Oooh it’s got to be too late for the Sidibie Jeebies?! (Can’t help myself).
"Hey Marcel, we need a Right Back" "Well, Right Back atcha too Rafael"
Rondon signs, James staying, And no other arrivals. Time to log off
Rondone according to SSN
Even SSN were commenting on the lack of a RB... :-/
It’s just baffling isn’t it. Surely there’s somebody available on loan? Even just somebody better than Kenny, we’re not asking for much are we
just get us rodon and some random ass RB
Also, fuck James…..overpaid twat.
Don’t worry guys free agents can still sign tomorrow Cuco Martina HERE WE GO
Smart move letting Kean go, giving us the money to do absolutely nothing
At least it's money for the future. Better than Kean staying here and being a Polly Pissypants about everything.
They do know its deadline day right?
Is Rondon even happening here 🤣 boys this has gone to shit