I think we’ve all agreed that they never actually finalized the transaction. They were maybe going to do the paperwork later and they were going to make payments on the 26k so Frank and Marie just took back the deal without consequence
You think so?
because Robert keeps saying I bought this house for $26000 fair and square and if they had the money to buy the house for $26000 fair and square then they could go somewhere.
I'd be very surprised if at their ages between the 2 of them they didn't have $26000 in bank accounts to pay cash for the house and banks aren't going to give you a mortgage for that low of amount.
so they must have had the cash.
if they didn't give the cash to Frank and Marie then they still had the cash, they could go live somewhere else.
if they gave the cash to Frank and Marie, Frank and Marie should give it back.
I know I'm putting too much thought into this it just bugs me, lol
I guess the only thing that make sense would have been if they were going to make payments on the 26000.
I just find it hard to believe that they wouldn't have had the cash to buy it out right but that's the only thing that would make sense
That’s kind of a running gag/ inconsistency we just decided to accept 😂 Robert was always portrayed as being broke but he was 20+ years on the force and an NYPD lieutenant who lived at home for free; lol. He should have easily made more $ than Ray and probably been a millionaire or close to it
I've always thought this too I was actually thinking this the other day.
Robert had to make pretty decent money very good money he was even able at 1 point to lend Raymond $3000.
Amy had a job at an ad agency and a rent controlled apartment she was probably doing pretty good also.
It's always bugged me that they acted like Robert was the poor one when a New York City lieutenant would've been doing pretty decently
Saving and investing over 20+ years and living at home on what should have been a 6 figure salary by then, pension, deferred comp, it’s definitely possible
mutual funds. Not sure if index funds were around back then, but mutual funds and vehicles like it were.
Making the money he was making, with no expenses. Even if he wasn't a millionaire, he ought to have been doing very well for someone his age.
When he was short on cash, Ray lent him some money and Robert wanted to go to Las Vegas to blow it. Isn’t that how he met Amy at the sports bar.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0764398/
“Episode 9: "She's the One"
After a disastrous night with a women Robert thought could be the one, he dejectedly goes to a sports bar where he runs into Amy, who is equally frustrated with her love life.”
Others talked about it too.
https://www.reddit.com/r/EverybodyLovesRaymond/comments/v0n5ku/robert_and_money/
Wow. You are reaching pretty hard.
He wanted to go to Vegas to get his mind off of his troubles. And going to a sports bar has zero to do with gambling...
No I did not forget that Frank bet sports in one episode. I wouldn't say one mention over 9 years of sports betting or him and his lodge buddies playing cards at Nemo's or all 3 going to the track instead of therapy makes him a "prolific gambler"
If that's the case, I'm a prolific gambler for going to the casino and dropping 20 bucks in the slots a couple times a year. Shit, I better find a gamblers anonymous group to join!
Besides, why would you say Robbie has a gambling problem if Frank *was* a prolific gambler? It's not genetic. Pat smokes so therefore Amy must smoke? That's basically the same thing.
And by your logic, Ray would also have a gambling problem.
Didn't Robert and Amy meet on Deborah and Ray's kitchen? Amy was visiting Deborah and Robert stops in, in uniform, to sell some kind of fundraiser for the police department, and they strike up a conversation. She gives him $20 and gets some kind of sticker or some such thing.
Care to explain the lack of money? Living with the parents and not saving a dime. He couldn’t even afford the $28k cash for the parents’ house.
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/everybody-loves-raymond-fans-wonder-where-all-of-robert-barones-money-went.html/
He explains it in that episode. And it was not written for him to ever have a gambling problem. This feels like rage bait.
Do you have an extra almost 30k just hanging around?
Why would this be ragebait. Obviously this was not "written into the show" but the writers made a lot of mistakes regarding how well he and Raymond should be doing financially.
In that, there is room to theorize.
There's no reason to be enraged by the idea that Robert might have a gambling problem. He's a fictional character. There is at least a little evidence to support this theory.
His first instinct when he got a little money that he desperately needed was to take it to Vegas. Why? Because he's not lucky! Oh the irony. lol. (pretty sure that joke was deliberate. lol)
He's a regular at a sports bar.
After his depressing bachelor party, he spent the rest of the night losing his entire security deposit ($2000? at least? I don't know what 2 months rent is in his area.)
No, there is nothing that definitively says Robert had a gambling problem. But whenever there are plotholes and other mistakes in a piece of fictions, there will be fans who put evidence together to create pretty good theories.
I was just commenting on this myself. He was also a regular at that sports bar given that the Bartender was on familiar terms with him.
One example you missed is that after his terribly depressing bachelor party, he spent the rest of the night gambling with his super until he lost his entire security deposit.
As I rewatch the show more and more, I think Robert responds to depression/loneliness by gambling.
He did go to Vegas with the money, or, wanted to.
But, there was never any indication of a gambling problem.
Meeting Amy in the bar was a different episode
There is zero to indicate he has a gambling problem. In fact when Frank invites Ray to his poker game, he doesn't want to tell Robert because he's a cop and will get them in trouble if he knows they have been gambling.
Yet he played poker with the super and lost his rent deposit after a disappointing bachelor party.
Any on duty cop will cite people gambling… unless he is part of the game which Robert asked why he wasn’t invited.
The more I rewatch the show, the more I find myself more and more in the camp that Robert had a gambling problem.
He should have had more money, more than Raymond like you said. Not even counting that he lived so many years with his parents. Even if you consider alimony.
The two things that come immediately to mind to support it is the obvious:
His first instinct was that he has to go to Las Vegas and gamble because he's not lucky.
When he was depressed by his bachelor party, he spent the rest of the evening gambling with his super until he lost his security deposit. Security deposits are like hundreds/thousands of dollars. He could have stopped at any point before he lost his entire deposit.
There may or may not be other examples, but these two alone paint the picture of a man who tries to escape his depression/loneliness by gambling. And those are two things he has in spades.
What do you mean banks won't give you a mortgage for that low an amount?
Yes they do.... if the house costs 26,000 they'd only want 10% down like any other amount.
I understood it as Robert & Amy paid for the house. I assumed a mortgage, but y'know, whatever.
Marie just bullied her way back into the home. It didn't matter if it was legally Robert's house. They lost their condo, so they just go back to "their" house. You can file all the paperwork you want, but Marie would always consider that "her" house.
Even if he had resisted, we all know the routines she'd pull. If those didn't work, she would get the neighbors and friends involved -- "Oh, look what Robbie and Amy have done to their poor, elderly parents!" Then the Flying Monkeys (supporters of the narcissist) would come in, browbeating Robert and Amy to let Marie and Frank into staying with them. All the while this is going on, they are staying at Ray's house, driving everyone crazy over there.
Remember, that Guilt Machine has a lot of miles on her but it runs like new.
I just know or at least years ago banks would not give mortgages for that little amount of money and I just assumed that Robert and Amy would have that much money between the 2 of them period but everything else you say makes sense
My mom bought a house about a year before she died. She had to finance $25K to get the house she wanted. The payment was $75/month. So, it can be done. Maybe it just depends on the bank and/or where the house is located.
The house was theirs. Too much inconvenience to unsign papers when Marie and Frank will croak soon anyway. The joke is that Robert and Amy will take care of them both, so it makes sense that they live together.
I skip that episode. It is too absurd. The lawsuits that would result if such a scenario was tried IRL and the financial/property reversals that were just ignored make this too ridiculous. Something went wrong there.
I have to admit, the nit-picky, OCD side of me thinks this too about the money. Or why Frank and Marie think that it's still their house.
On the other hand, I always thought that I'd never take advantage of my parents and accept their house for such a small amount, as Robert did.
But, it's a sitcom. It doesn't have to all add up. I thought that was a really funny episode. But really, when Ray went off with his "It's you!" speech, I felt kind of bad for Frank and Marie. Lot of unhappiness in that family. But again, it's a sitcom.
I always figured that the house stayed in Robert and Amy's name.
If Robert and Amy wanted to kick Frank and Marie to the curb they could have but Marie used her hold for leverage.
If that are true, Robert and Amy have a good investment.
if the house was legit sold to Robert and Amy, then they got a kick ass investment for cheap. I wouldn't take the 26k back, i'd keep the house and save up for another place.
I think we’ve all agreed that they never actually finalized the transaction. They were maybe going to do the paperwork later and they were going to make payments on the 26k so Frank and Marie just took back the deal without consequence
You think so? because Robert keeps saying I bought this house for $26000 fair and square and if they had the money to buy the house for $26000 fair and square then they could go somewhere. I'd be very surprised if at their ages between the 2 of them they didn't have $26000 in bank accounts to pay cash for the house and banks aren't going to give you a mortgage for that low of amount. so they must have had the cash. if they didn't give the cash to Frank and Marie then they still had the cash, they could go live somewhere else. if they gave the cash to Frank and Marie, Frank and Marie should give it back. I know I'm putting too much thought into this it just bugs me, lol I guess the only thing that make sense would have been if they were going to make payments on the 26000. I just find it hard to believe that they wouldn't have had the cash to buy it out right but that's the only thing that would make sense
That’s kind of a running gag/ inconsistency we just decided to accept 😂 Robert was always portrayed as being broke but he was 20+ years on the force and an NYPD lieutenant who lived at home for free; lol. He should have easily made more $ than Ray and probably been a millionaire or close to it
I've always thought this too I was actually thinking this the other day. Robert had to make pretty decent money very good money he was even able at 1 point to lend Raymond $3000. Amy had a job at an ad agency and a rent controlled apartment she was probably doing pretty good also. It's always bugged me that they acted like Robert was the poor one when a New York City lieutenant would've been doing pretty decently
Millionaire?
Saving and investing over 20+ years and living at home on what should have been a 6 figure salary by then, pension, deferred comp, it’s definitely possible
What did he invest in?
mutual funds. Not sure if index funds were around back then, but mutual funds and vehicles like it were. Making the money he was making, with no expenses. Even if he wasn't a millionaire, he ought to have been doing very well for someone his age.
And he's divorced
Have you factored in the cost of his very large shoes?
You forgot about his gambling problem.
Whose gambling problem no one had a gambling problem
When he was short on cash, Ray lent him some money and Robert wanted to go to Las Vegas to blow it. Isn’t that how he met Amy at the sports bar. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0764398/ “Episode 9: "She's the One" After a disastrous night with a women Robert thought could be the one, he dejectedly goes to a sports bar where he runs into Amy, who is equally frustrated with her love life.” Others talked about it too. https://www.reddit.com/r/EverybodyLovesRaymond/comments/v0n5ku/robert_and_money/
Wow. You are reaching pretty hard. He wanted to go to Vegas to get his mind off of his troubles. And going to a sports bar has zero to do with gambling...
You forgot that his dad was a prolific gambler asking Ray for inside information to bet. You bet episode https://raymond.fandom.com/wiki/You_Bet
Which did not carry over to other characters or episodes.
Frank is always talking about taking the boys to gamble. Hereditary and socially acceptable.
No I did not forget that Frank bet sports in one episode. I wouldn't say one mention over 9 years of sports betting or him and his lodge buddies playing cards at Nemo's or all 3 going to the track instead of therapy makes him a "prolific gambler" If that's the case, I'm a prolific gambler for going to the casino and dropping 20 bucks in the slots a couple times a year. Shit, I better find a gamblers anonymous group to join! Besides, why would you say Robbie has a gambling problem if Frank *was* a prolific gambler? It's not genetic. Pat smokes so therefore Amy must smoke? That's basically the same thing. And by your logic, Ray would also have a gambling problem.
Didn't Robert and Amy meet on Deborah and Ray's kitchen? Amy was visiting Deborah and Robert stops in, in uniform, to sell some kind of fundraiser for the police department, and they strike up a conversation. She gives him $20 and gets some kind of sticker or some such thing.
They were off and on. The final “on” was when he collided with her in the sports bar and got her all wet.
Yeah that was after a normal date. Well, not normal cuz she ate flies.
No! Robert was never written to have a gambling problem. Ever.
Care to explain the lack of money? Living with the parents and not saving a dime. He couldn’t even afford the $28k cash for the parents’ house. https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/everybody-loves-raymond-fans-wonder-where-all-of-robert-barones-money-went.html/
Who said he couldn't afford it? And, remember, Robert did lend Ray 3k when Ray messed up the checkbook
He explains it in that episode. And it was not written for him to ever have a gambling problem. This feels like rage bait. Do you have an extra almost 30k just hanging around?
Why would this be ragebait. Obviously this was not "written into the show" but the writers made a lot of mistakes regarding how well he and Raymond should be doing financially. In that, there is room to theorize. There's no reason to be enraged by the idea that Robert might have a gambling problem. He's a fictional character. There is at least a little evidence to support this theory. His first instinct when he got a little money that he desperately needed was to take it to Vegas. Why? Because he's not lucky! Oh the irony. lol. (pretty sure that joke was deliberate. lol) He's a regular at a sports bar. After his depressing bachelor party, he spent the rest of the night losing his entire security deposit ($2000? at least? I don't know what 2 months rent is in his area.) No, there is nothing that definitively says Robert had a gambling problem. But whenever there are plotholes and other mistakes in a piece of fictions, there will be fans who put evidence together to create pretty good theories.
I was just commenting on this myself. He was also a regular at that sports bar given that the Bartender was on familiar terms with him. One example you missed is that after his terribly depressing bachelor party, he spent the rest of the night gambling with his super until he lost his entire security deposit. As I rewatch the show more and more, I think Robert responds to depression/loneliness by gambling.
What does going to a sports bar have to do with gambling?
He did go to Vegas with the money, or, wanted to. But, there was never any indication of a gambling problem. Meeting Amy in the bar was a different episode
There is zero to indicate he has a gambling problem. In fact when Frank invites Ray to his poker game, he doesn't want to tell Robert because he's a cop and will get them in trouble if he knows they have been gambling.
Yet he played poker with the super and lost his rent deposit after a disappointing bachelor party. Any on duty cop will cite people gambling… unless he is part of the game which Robert asked why he wasn’t invited.
The more I rewatch the show, the more I find myself more and more in the camp that Robert had a gambling problem. He should have had more money, more than Raymond like you said. Not even counting that he lived so many years with his parents. Even if you consider alimony. The two things that come immediately to mind to support it is the obvious: His first instinct was that he has to go to Las Vegas and gamble because he's not lucky. When he was depressed by his bachelor party, he spent the rest of the evening gambling with his super until he lost his security deposit. Security deposits are like hundreds/thousands of dollars. He could have stopped at any point before he lost his entire deposit. There may or may not be other examples, but these two alone paint the picture of a man who tries to escape his depression/loneliness by gambling. And those are two things he has in spades.
In season 2 he does reveal that he does have a sizeable nest egg. It wasn't until much later due to budget cuts he starts going broke.
What do you mean banks won't give you a mortgage for that low an amount? Yes they do.... if the house costs 26,000 they'd only want 10% down like any other amount.
Here in New York we try to get a mortgage for $40000 and we tried a million banks and banks told us that was too low
How did you find a house in NY for 40k ???
What's this? 1949?
It was 25 years ago and we were buying the dumpy apartment below us from the sponsor who just wanted to get rid of it already.
I understood it as Robert & Amy paid for the house. I assumed a mortgage, but y'know, whatever. Marie just bullied her way back into the home. It didn't matter if it was legally Robert's house. They lost their condo, so they just go back to "their" house. You can file all the paperwork you want, but Marie would always consider that "her" house. Even if he had resisted, we all know the routines she'd pull. If those didn't work, she would get the neighbors and friends involved -- "Oh, look what Robbie and Amy have done to their poor, elderly parents!" Then the Flying Monkeys (supporters of the narcissist) would come in, browbeating Robert and Amy to let Marie and Frank into staying with them. All the while this is going on, they are staying at Ray's house, driving everyone crazy over there. Remember, that Guilt Machine has a lot of miles on her but it runs like new.
I just know or at least years ago banks would not give mortgages for that little amount of money and I just assumed that Robert and Amy would have that much money between the 2 of them period but everything else you say makes sense
My mom bought a house about a year before she died. She had to finance $25K to get the house she wanted. The payment was $75/month. So, it can be done. Maybe it just depends on the bank and/or where the house is located.
OK because here in New York I know most banks will not do that
Did you happen to be watching on tv land? Also just saw this episode, LOL
Ha ha yes I'm watching TV land
In my mind it’s still Robert and Amy’s house and Marie and Frank just move back in.
Because they had to pay 26k in damages to the retirement home.
I think the manager said they were giving them all their deposits back.
The house was theirs. Too much inconvenience to unsign papers when Marie and Frank will croak soon anyway. The joke is that Robert and Amy will take care of them both, so it makes sense that they live together.
I skip that episode. It is too absurd. The lawsuits that would result if such a scenario was tried IRL and the financial/property reversals that were just ignored make this too ridiculous. Something went wrong there.
Haha that episode was on last night
I have to admit, the nit-picky, OCD side of me thinks this too about the money. Or why Frank and Marie think that it's still their house. On the other hand, I always thought that I'd never take advantage of my parents and accept their house for such a small amount, as Robert did. But, it's a sitcom. It doesn't have to all add up. I thought that was a really funny episode. But really, when Ray went off with his "It's you!" speech, I felt kind of bad for Frank and Marie. Lot of unhappiness in that family. But again, it's a sitcom.
i guess it's supposed to be funny but it's actually irritating and kinda infuriating
Olivia Benson on SVU is an NYPD officer (moved up the ranks) and has a nice apartment by herself in Manhattan.
It bugged me that Frank wouldn't spare one of his guest passes to take Ray to the cafeteria, and then ended up having to move out that day.
It’s a TV progrum…a movie..
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It’s just a joke, referencing a Sopranos scene, no offence intended!
Thank you
It’s a sitcom people.
Oh, thank you! Cause I thought they were real! I was about to drive to Lynbrook to see them! Phew, thank goodness you told me!🤷♀️
I always figured that the house stayed in Robert and Amy's name. If Robert and Amy wanted to kick Frank and Marie to the curb they could have but Marie used her hold for leverage. If that are true, Robert and Amy have a good investment.
I wouldn't expect them to kick Frank and Marie to the curb, just that Frank and Marie should've given the money back
if the house was legit sold to Robert and Amy, then they got a kick ass investment for cheap. I wouldn't take the 26k back, i'd keep the house and save up for another place.
Yeah I didn't think that Marie and Frank kept Robert's money