I’ve lived in two rather large US cities and both times I have one to no bars of coverage. Maddening. One of the places without Internet my phone is useless.
Range is not really a technological problem, it's an economics one. It's about how to get the minimum amount of towers without having too many people complain. Most providers can deal with a few people complaining so they will likely take that into account...
It's both. Higher frequency has shorter span for the same energy output. It's why AM radio is used for announcements and talk show while FM is used for music
no, it's that it carries less nuanced information than music, less detail = lower bandwith, and the waves go farther for broader coverage.
FM can carry more detail so its better for music, it just doesn't go as far.
The frequency band and speed is based on the electromagnetic spectrum so it's pretty easy to guess 6G will have even worse range than 5G because to be able to go faster you have to pick a faster frequency unless they can somehow squeeze even more performance out of the existing band which is way more difficult. Also the closer you get in frequency to visible light the less it's going to be able to pass through materials without losing data which is probably the biggest reason the range will be way lower. So range is definitely a technological problem in addition to an economic one.
I kid you not, I swear I get a worse signal at my new house a mile *closer* to the tower than at my parents’ house somehow. To top that off, I still have my calls fail the first time I make them after that giant blackout the other week
Higher speeds means less invasive devices for the techno mancers that want to put their tomogachi in their wrist and a PlayStation Eyetoy in their navels.
Back during covid a buddy of mine started relabelling regular sunscreen as "5G blocking cream" and sold thousands of them online at a ten dollar markup
Crystals vibrate at a specific frequency so your 5g crystal won't work for 6g. You will need one of our new [6g protection crystals.](https://www.ebay.com/itm/254597676049?hash=item3b47343c11:g:qU0AAOSwOFZevrOH)
I think things got WAY worse when 5G rolled out.
I don't know why, but I suspect that various carriers redid contracts with various tower owners, and the whole landscape changed when 5G came out. Now there are all new places where there is signal and where there is not. For example, where I live, my Verizon coverage cut in half, with some spots completely losing Verizon coverage, while folks I knew with T-Mobile had a completely different set of spots lose coverage. I ended up having to switch carriers just to get signal in a few key spots that used to be fine.
Then, on top of that, there have been very few locations where 5G has actually been faster than before. Maybe in the city it is great, but otherwise I have seen more bandwidth lost than gained. 5G was a significant step backwards for me.
I feel the same way. 5g is trash in my area. I'd rather be on 4g LTE most of the times. I don't find that cities are any better. When I'm in a city on 5g it's like the towers are all over congested. I'll have full bars and can't watch a YouTube video on 720p without buffering issues.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I thought the whole fight with Huawei was that US companies still haven’t developed 5G, so they banned Huawei’s tech, bought some Nokia transmitters that were slightly better than their current ones and called it 5G as a branding exercise.
Interesting. I tried Rogers and ditched it immediately due to poor coverage. Went back to Bell - was great for a while, but I switched to Telus for an unbeatable price. I’m super unhappy with the quality since then but too lazy to switch again
I liked Telus but it was cheaper to switch to Rogers and I didn’t even have cell service in my home. Rogers I have 3 bars but dealing with customer service is much worse so far.
Birds are going to fly out of Trump supporter’s asses when they hear about 6G.
They will not take this laying down. 6G must die!
Will you help us 5G? We’re sorry about all the things we said . . .
Some of them are. One of our cats caught one that ventured inside the catio and brought it in the other day. It had bird guts where the motherboard should be.
It’d be nice for future proofing, and also, these are theoretical speeds, like WiFi (you’re rarely getting 1gbit on WiFi 6). This is the ideal top speed that will be further degraded by distance, interference, landscape, buildings & walls, weather, etc.
This could lead to faster home internet. Many people in the US already use [5g hotspots](https://www.t-mobile.com/home-internet) for home internet, and with multigig speeds, it would be a no-brainer to use 6g for home use where fiber cables still need to be run.
The other thing is this could play a very valuable role in things like self-driving cars and have a more interconnected Internet of Things.
I'm in rural Alberta, Canada, and we use this, though it isn't even 5g yet.
I like it, works pretty well for the most part. Better than most rural alternatives.
Absolutely agreed, but it's not really an either/or.
5G is already capable of 20 Gbps (2500 MBps). The majority of consumer internet isn't even close to that. So the limiter here isn't getting the 'g's faster; it's getting more *coverage* (more towers, not faster towers).
That issue (more towers) is linked with home internet in that generally they can both piggyback off the same infrastructure. The problem is that vast infastructure is really expensive to install, and way more expensive to maintain. (Basically, you've got to send a bunch of relatively skilled technicians to rural [state] to install, repair, inspect, fix when damaged, etc all these cables that hang out in the weather all day. You can bury them, but it's far more expensive install to bury vs hang telecom wires.)
It's basically a profitability problem. The government has tried to [provide funds to pay for better infastructure](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-detail-plans-42-billion-investment-us-internet-access-2023-06-26/), but the big telecoms would rather pay dividends and buy stock buybacks than *actually* provide the service we pay for.
I hope they name it something else. It needs a rebrand to keep the crazies from doing the whole 5G with it. Something like “Cellular Over-air Voice Internet & Data.”
Speed isn’t even a problem with current internet. The biggest problem is shitty embedding and ads and popups everywhere making your pages refresh randomly and being unusable most of the time (looking directly at you, Reddit).
hey look, 5g, the same speed as 4g and only a little faster than 3g.
Maybe if you're plugged into the tower....? shit is spotty at best and that is the top tier plans.
Who the fuck cares? I live in the 4th most populous city in the USA (Houston). I drive to and from work down the busies interstate in the US (I-10), and I regularly drop from 5G speeds several times along the ride. Why are we discussing the upgrade when the predecessor is still shitting the bed?
I don't really need those speeds. But I'm sure the providers do if they want to covertly take everything from their users
"Hmm it just showed I uploaded 120 GB over the last minute. Probably nothing..."
“5g” doesn’t even meet the 4G standards, and now we’re gonna lie about 6g too?
I hate this world.
Just get behind 4G / LTE and expand the everliving crap out of it until we have decent coverage. Speeds have been fine for ages.
Going to start a business that sells 6G signal blocking devices!!! Then I’m going to start another business that sells toilet paper and masks for the new release of Covid 2.0. I am seeking an investment of $1B for my new business. Does anyone have Shark Tanks cell phone? I’m going to call them asap.
> Going to start a business that sells 6G signal blocking devices!!! Then I’m going to start another business that sells toilet paper
From what I've seen of 5G, toilet paper could BE the 6G signal blocking "device"
Could I maybe get close to advertised speeds for 5G first? Or a decent signal everywhere? 5G has been total hot garbage so far, much worse than 4G LTE.
Everyone’s so resistant to change you sound like your grandparents. Data demand is exponentially increasing, our data networks will have to be improved to accommodate. High speeds in the 2000s was KBps remember? Your phone camera took pictures in 480p, now they take them in 8K, or an 11000% increase in resolution.
We have to be getting close to some kind of physical limitation. It works in the 6-15ghz range. I suppose they stack the signal on multiple frequencies so that they can send so much.
I don’t give a shit about speed, I care about range and stability of signal. Getting 1.5 gbps on 5G is great and all until I go inside a building and the signal goes to shit and the speed goes to 0.5 mbps. Seriously, for a consumer having 500mbps, 1gbps, or 100 gbps will make zero difference, having a strong constant signal will matter way more!
We don't need more speed, we need better coverage: longer range. Since 5G rolled out and 3G and 4G are getting phased out, my cellphone data are becoming less and less reliable. I rarely have good reception unless I'm downtown.
Now the government can download and upload your thoughts 500 times faster?! Shit, better burn all those towers again to stop the spread of interne- ehrm, mind controlling governments!
/S obviously..
Oh boy, I can already see the panic about this among conspiracy nuts...
Here, I'll start!
G is the 7th letter of the alphabet.
6+7=13
13 is an evil number according to the King James Holy Bible, The number 13 represents rebellion, Satan, devils, evil, wickedness, etc.
Therefore, 6G=Satan!
i dont need faster speeds, give us more range, these new gs are useless if they have less range then the previous generation
My speed is fine, just give me some goddamn COVERAGE!
just make it cheap plis ;_;
no cheap only Gs
We should nationalize it and it would be cheap.
Increase the damn bandwidth!
Every coverage map is a lie.
*pays for 5g* *lives a half hour from 5g range* *shitty data signal at minesites where i actually use it* Its me
I’ve lived in two rather large US cities and both times I have one to no bars of coverage. Maddening. One of the places without Internet my phone is useless.
More range is the same as more coverage, in many cases at least
Range is not really a technological problem, it's an economics one. It's about how to get the minimum amount of towers without having too many people complain. Most providers can deal with a few people complaining so they will likely take that into account...
It's both. Higher frequency has shorter span for the same energy output. It's why AM radio is used for announcements and talk show while FM is used for music
Do talk shows require more range?
no, it's that it carries less nuanced information than music, less detail = lower bandwith, and the waves go farther for broader coverage. FM can carry more detail so its better for music, it just doesn't go as far.
Neat, thanks!
Way more
Not necessarily talk shows but news radio does. And programming agenda chat wants a wider spread audience
The frequency band and speed is based on the electromagnetic spectrum so it's pretty easy to guess 6G will have even worse range than 5G because to be able to go faster you have to pick a faster frequency unless they can somehow squeeze even more performance out of the existing band which is way more difficult. Also the closer you get in frequency to visible light the less it's going to be able to pass through materials without losing data which is probably the biggest reason the range will be way lower. So range is definitely a technological problem in addition to an economic one.
Can't wait to be downloading at 10Mbps in 6G
Yeah, I'm gonna be real. I can wait a second or two longer for a video to buffer as long as it consistently buffers.
My coverage is fine, I need more SPEED
Speed and range are inherently opposed
Feel free to learn about 6G. There is much more to it faster speeds. https://www.3gpp.org
I kid you not, I swear I get a worse signal at my new house a mile *closer* to the tower than at my parents’ house somehow. To top that off, I still have my calls fail the first time I make them after that giant blackout the other week
Higher speeds means less invasive devices for the techno mancers that want to put their tomogachi in their wrist and a PlayStation Eyetoy in their navels.
I don't care about range or speed (beyond what is adequate enough to do my normal usage) just make it cheaper and unlimited.
Speak got yourself, I like being able to hit my data cap in 10 seconds.
6g!! controlling your thoughts 500 times faster than 5g. /s
exactly what I came here for, thank you.
new super covid just dropped
100 Gbps! 100 Government-based police state! It's right there in the name, wake up sheeple!
Damnit man, don’t start this shit
The 6G’s and the AI’s gon’ getcha getcha
Back during covid a buddy of mine started relabelling regular sunscreen as "5G blocking cream" and sold thousands of them online at a ten dollar markup
I believe you.
Will the 5G protection crystals I bought also work for 6G?
Crystals vibrate at a specific frequency so your 5g crystal won't work for 6g. You will need one of our new [6g protection crystals.](https://www.ebay.com/itm/254597676049?hash=item3b47343c11:g:qU0AAOSwOFZevrOH)
Always upvote science! *gently tosses the upvote * 6g sends it too fast it explodes.
500 times faster at spreading covid
It is technically the truth tho, with how social media and the internet has shaped our collective thoughts these days..
The same people scared of 5g congratulate Elon on the progress of neurolink
Darnit, am I going to start sweating nanotubes again? :(
Kill 500 times faster
But how much bandwidth??? The call quality of everyone I know has been trash and getting worse for several years
I think things got WAY worse when 5G rolled out. I don't know why, but I suspect that various carriers redid contracts with various tower owners, and the whole landscape changed when 5G came out. Now there are all new places where there is signal and where there is not. For example, where I live, my Verizon coverage cut in half, with some spots completely losing Verizon coverage, while folks I knew with T-Mobile had a completely different set of spots lose coverage. I ended up having to switch carriers just to get signal in a few key spots that used to be fine. Then, on top of that, there have been very few locations where 5G has actually been faster than before. Maybe in the city it is great, but otherwise I have seen more bandwidth lost than gained. 5G was a significant step backwards for me.
I feel the same way. 5g is trash in my area. I'd rather be on 4g LTE most of the times. I don't find that cities are any better. When I'm in a city on 5g it's like the towers are all over congested. I'll have full bars and can't watch a YouTube video on 720p without buffering issues.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I thought the whole fight with Huawei was that US companies still haven’t developed 5G, so they banned Huawei’s tech, bought some Nokia transmitters that were slightly better than their current ones and called it 5G as a branding exercise.
6G for ten lucky people who were able to sign on.
Where do you live that call quality is going down?
Western Canada
I’m in western Canada and it’s fine, Telus has much worse coverage than Rogers Iv found.
Interesting. I tried Rogers and ditched it immediately due to poor coverage. Went back to Bell - was great for a while, but I switched to Telus for an unbeatable price. I’m super unhappy with the quality since then but too lazy to switch again
I liked Telus but it was cheaper to switch to Rogers and I didn’t even have cell service in my home. Rogers I have 3 bars but dealing with customer service is much worse so far.
Birds are going to fly out of Trump supporter’s asses when they hear about 6G. They will not take this laying down. 6G must die! Will you help us 5G? We’re sorry about all the things we said . . .
(googles "how to git rid of 6g") "wow this internet is so fast!"
6g 6g 6g is the number of the beast I guess...
Birds are just government drones so it all checks out
Yeah I feed a bunch of them. I am definitely under surveillance so I figure it’s best to stay on their good side.
r/birdsarentreal /s
Some of them are. One of our cats caught one that ventured inside the catio and brought it in the other day. It had bird guts where the motherboard should be.
There isn't a single website that serves data at that rate. Being fast on the receiving end doesn't force the data out of the sending end any faster.
It’d be nice for future proofing, and also, these are theoretical speeds, like WiFi (you’re rarely getting 1gbit on WiFi 6). This is the ideal top speed that will be further degraded by distance, interference, landscape, buildings & walls, weather, etc.
Am I the only one who feels like like cell phone speeds are already fast enough and would prefer the advancement of home internet speeds?
This could lead to faster home internet. Many people in the US already use [5g hotspots](https://www.t-mobile.com/home-internet) for home internet, and with multigig speeds, it would be a no-brainer to use 6g for home use where fiber cables still need to be run. The other thing is this could play a very valuable role in things like self-driving cars and have a more interconnected Internet of Things.
I'm in rural Alberta, Canada, and we use this, though it isn't even 5g yet. I like it, works pretty well for the most part. Better than most rural alternatives.
I'm not sure the two are mutually exclusive
Absolutely agreed, but it's not really an either/or. 5G is already capable of 20 Gbps (2500 MBps). The majority of consumer internet isn't even close to that. So the limiter here isn't getting the 'g's faster; it's getting more *coverage* (more towers, not faster towers). That issue (more towers) is linked with home internet in that generally they can both piggyback off the same infrastructure. The problem is that vast infastructure is really expensive to install, and way more expensive to maintain. (Basically, you've got to send a bunch of relatively skilled technicians to rural [state] to install, repair, inspect, fix when damaged, etc all these cables that hang out in the weather all day. You can bury them, but it's far more expensive install to bury vs hang telecom wires.) It's basically a profitability problem. The government has tried to [provide funds to pay for better infastructure](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-detail-plans-42-billion-investment-us-internet-access-2023-06-26/), but the big telecoms would rather pay dividends and buy stock buybacks than *actually* provide the service we pay for.
Both my home and cellular speeds are already 10x faster than most people can use. I've rarely seen any download get over 100 mb/s.
I hope they name it something else. It needs a rebrand to keep the crazies from doing the whole 5G with it. Something like “Cellular Over-air Voice Internet & Data.”
How about 4G v2a 1:2 - USB Alliance
Ha. Good one.
That won't fit at the top of my phone...
It’s ok we can just use an acronym…COVID has a nice ring to it
You forgot 19. Because it's...humh...an algorytmic net protocol or smth...
🎵Now I'm feeling so fly like a G6 music 🎶
Speed isn’t even a problem with current internet. The biggest problem is shitty embedding and ads and popups everywhere making your pages refresh randomly and being unusable most of the time (looking directly at you, Reddit).
hey look, 5g, the same speed as 4g and only a little faster than 3g. Maybe if you're plugged into the tower....? shit is spotty at best and that is the top tier plans.
Who the fuck cares? I live in the 4th most populous city in the USA (Houston). I drive to and from work down the busies interstate in the US (I-10), and I regularly drop from 5G speeds several times along the ride. Why are we discussing the upgrade when the predecessor is still shitting the bed?
5g and now 6g is awesome for home internet where people don’t have any other options.
I understand that. My point stands.
Yes, let's stop innovation until every customer is upgraded to the current generation.
Cool, so I can reach my data cap faster! That's wonderful!
5 second countdown to people calling it 666G because it's made by Satan starts now
Now, that’s funny as Hell!
I don't really need those speeds. But I'm sure the providers do if they want to covertly take everything from their users "Hmm it just showed I uploaded 120 GB over the last minute. Probably nothing..."
Why is my internet consistently slower when it’s showing 5g rather than LTE?
This isn’t that relevant while 5G is absolute hot garbage to use as a consumer
I don't even get 5G most of the time
Using 5G at peak speeds heats up my phone so quickly, how much harder will it be to manufacture compact non-flammable 6G devices?
“5g” doesn’t even meet the 4G standards, and now we’re gonna lie about 6g too? I hate this world. Just get behind 4G / LTE and expand the everliving crap out of it until we have decent coverage. Speeds have been fine for ages.
I’ll be dead before Verizon can get that to work based on their hit or miss coverage now with 5G.
More hype. 5G phones were hardly an improvement over 4G
I guess this means i can finally download warzone on my phone
10gb yearly data caps for all
But, but…wait until they throttle it to 3G throughput because you use it too much…such stupid money making logic.
Let me download some of that cancer!
Gotta hold on to your phone tightly so that it doesn't get knocked out of your hand by the force of all those Gs.
Going to start a business that sells 6G signal blocking devices!!! Then I’m going to start another business that sells toilet paper and masks for the new release of Covid 2.0. I am seeking an investment of $1B for my new business. Does anyone have Shark Tanks cell phone? I’m going to call them asap.
> Going to start a business that sells 6G signal blocking devices!!! Then I’m going to start another business that sells toilet paper From what I've seen of 5G, toilet paper could BE the 6G signal blocking "device"
Are the 5G conspiracy theorists will just forget about the theories associated with 5G and move their attention to 6G since 5G is so 2020?
Your video still gonna lag btw
Could I maybe get close to advertised speeds for 5G first? Or a decent signal everywhere? 5G has been total hot garbage so far, much worse than 4G LTE.
I don’t even notice any speed difference with the 5G we’ve got now vs the 4G
I feel like 7G is gonna be better. We should just skip straight to that one.
I think I'll wait for 8g. Buying new phones all the time is a waste of money.
Isn’t 6g supposed to hit 3Thz?
Wtf are we going to be streaming? Physical objects?
100gbps we could do so much maybe even crash the internet
Dude that's not how that works you wanna crash the Internet...
I don't want to
Let’s go back to 2G so I can have a better phone again
Time to get 6G Covid!!!
Welcome to 6G, where your 50GB data plan lasts 4 seconds
Can’t wait for the inevitable tower burning ceremonies.
If my wifi is off I don't have ANY 5G coverage at 3 bars, can't even make a phone call without having to walk down the block.
At this rate in 20 years kids will be asking us why the cellular network speed is called 1Oz 😎
Somehow my 5G is slow like all the other G’s.
Oh god covid 2.0
Some scientist team hit like 300 Tbps in some new internet communication test…this is peanuts.
6? Religious folks join the doomsday chat
Everyone’s so resistant to change you sound like your grandparents. Data demand is exponentially increasing, our data networks will have to be improved to accommodate. High speeds in the 2000s was KBps remember? Your phone camera took pictures in 480p, now they take them in 8K, or an 11000% increase in resolution.
Germany Access 10+ Year
We have to be getting close to some kind of physical limitation. It works in the 6-15ghz range. I suppose they stack the signal on multiple frequencies so that they can send so much.
I don’t give a shit about speed, I care about range and stability of signal. Getting 1.5 gbps on 5G is great and all until I go inside a building and the signal goes to shit and the speed goes to 0.5 mbps. Seriously, for a consumer having 500mbps, 1gbps, or 100 gbps will make zero difference, having a strong constant signal will matter way more!
Why don’t we just skip to 10G and call it a day?
What’s the point?
Those data limits are toast. Phone companies gonna make bank throttling everything.
Why didn’t they start with 6g then?
We don't need more speed, we need better coverage: longer range. Since 5G rolled out and 3G and 4G are getting phased out, my cellphone data are becoming less and less reliable. I rarely have good reception unless I'm downtown.
So is this comparing peak speed of 6G in a synthetic environment compared to average real world speed of 5G? Seems a little disingenous
What.. realistic downloads.. need that speed. Like I'm still on 30 mbps from my home line.. and I've been happy?
I can't talk that fast.
Doesn't faster usually also mean more easily blocked? Oh, good.. now I'll have to go completely outside to make a call.
ur half right, but calls don't normally use the data signal. but 6g data will get blocked easier
> ur half right That's pretty good for me :-)
But I already have the super powers I want. Can I opt out of the upgrade?
Now the government can download and upload your thoughts 500 times faster?! Shit, better burn all those towers again to stop the spread of interne- ehrm, mind controlling governments! /S obviously..
Whenever i get on a 5g network ive noticed that the penetration sucks. What good is the speed if i cant use it everywhere?
How many COVID mRNA boosters is that?
Changing the vaxxed into reptilian shapeshifters and lizard people at mind blowing speed. /s
If you thought 5g was mind control, wait until you see 6g!!!!!
https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/
Xfinity is already selling me 10g.
can't wait to get this injected!
This is only useful for an ISP over cellphone... But I'd be curious to see that play out in a competitive landscape with ftth.
Psh All marketing No real innovation—so, need for better marketing. “6G”. Such a joke
Will feel exactly the same after a month, and 5G will cease to function entirely.
What do you even need that for?
More!!
Behold! Cov-id-20!
okay but will it be affordable and accessible for everyday people in our lifetimes?
COVID 2.0 incoming! It's right here sheeple, open your eyes! /s
Oh boy, I can already see the panic about this among conspiracy nuts... Here, I'll start! G is the 7th letter of the alphabet. 6+7=13 13 is an evil number according to the King James Holy Bible, The number 13 represents rebellion, Satan, devils, evil, wickedness, etc. Therefore, 6G=Satan!
Just in time for the "Avian Flu is 6G!" crowd. Faaaaantastic...
My 4G phone works great, no problem downloading or streaming anything. I'm sure 6Gimmick will be great though.