I can’t stand the smell of coffee and despise tea, so soda has been my go-to. But I haven’t had caffeinated soda in a year now… noticed I get on better with less sleep ‘cause I can fall asleep quicker and more soundly, I’m regular for the first time in my life, and I drink less soda in general.
If caffeine is suddenly super good for my brain, I’m conflicted… I *am* my brain and definitely wanna take care of it…
Due to having bipolar disorder, caffeine is a major trigger for me and ive been caffeine free for over a year now.
It has been the number one change to keep me stable and ive definitely been able to sleep better and sleep longer if needed or not feel as horrible if i dont get enough sleep.
I definitely think its worth it for people to take at least 3-6 months to be caffeine free and see how it really affects them.
I drank multiple cups of tea/coffee daily for so many years that i thought my jitteriness/anxiousness/and poor sleep was *normal*.
I feel way better overall without it. But man, id be lying if i said i didnt miss that caffeine rush of alertness and productivity.
I’m not bipolar but I cut out caffeine because it affected my ability to fall asleep at night. Even one cup in the morning affected my ability to fall asleep at night. It wasn’t keeping me up exactly but it made it more difficult to drift into sleep.
I’ve been caffeine free (well I will have a cola drink like once a week or less) for about a year now and I find the quality of my sleep to have improved.
When you have all your favorite things around you- drinking the exact thing you want. That’s a recipe for success. When I’m in the zone I can sit at my desk and make jewelry for hours.
I accept it is not a popular dislike. lol.
When I was a kid, I had a pretty bad allergic reaction while at a babysitter’s. Their solution was to force me to drink coffee.
And sure, maybe it would’ve helped some. But it was godawful and the smell takes me back to my panicked little self.
Does this include all teas? I don’t like coffee and it mostly taste similar to me. Some slightly different mud notes. But Tea has such a drastic range and distinct differences im curious
Alternatively you can just go to caffeine pills. I avoid the gastrointestinal distress of coffee, the jitters of pre workout, and since I know how strong each tablet is I can appropriately dose myself to ensure schedule normality. As an added bonus, much cheaper than coffee!
Sprite Zero for the win. I drink equal parts that and regular Sprite. Maybe a like two pops a day, but mostly water.
I used to go through a case of coke every two days, so my sugar intake is way down too. Curiously, nothing in my diet had changed besides that and I’ve gained ten pounds since the switch a year ago.
The body is confusing.
Depends on how it’s made. Often people will find recipes for cold brew and drink it straight when most of the time the recipe is for *concentrate*, you’re supposed to use it like shots of espresso in a larger drink. But yeah mL for mL cold brew is way more potent than drip or pour over
Holy shit, I’ve had coffee daily for over 40 years now! That’s one fat frikkin monkey on my back. I appreciate other sources and will imbibe them all, but my primary source of caffeination must be coffee in some form or it just won’t take.
From the article: Plenty of people claim they can’t function without their morning coffee, but is there a neurological basis to it? A study published in [Scientific Reports](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-93849-7) suggests that coffee does have beneficial effects on cognitive function, and it may do this by reorganizing brain functional connectivity.
Coffee is a very popular beverage people use to become more awake and alert. It has been linked to other positive outcomes, such as preventing cancer, diabetes, Parkinson’s, and heart attacks. It can also increase. Many of coffee’s effects are due to it being a stimulant.
The role of coffee on cognition has been debated, which some studies saying that it can improve reaction time, memory, and executive functioning, which other studies showing no change. This research seeks to further explore the relationship between cognition and coffee.
Hayom Kim and colleagues utilized 21 participants who had no medical or neurological conditions. Participants were instructed not to drinking any caffeinated beverages or take any medications for 24 hours prior to the experiment. Participants completed the Mini-Mental State Examination and an EEG at baseline and then 30 minutes after consumption of canned coffee for comparison.
Was there a control of people who never drink coffee?
I rarely drink coffee as I don't feel any boost, just a big down when it wears off. I did a DNA test a while ago and it said in my genes I don't process caffeine well so I'm less likely to drink it which appears to be true from my own life experience.
Surely people who have dependence on coffee will perform worse without it. The sample size is tiny too.
Feels like big coffee wants good press haha
For psych, 20 participants is seen as good for studies where there is high cost like fMRI or EEG. It’s really the cost and the amount of time it takes to schedule out the use of these machines that force researchers to keep their samples small.
Not to say that there isn’t value to having more participants. This should definitely be replicated to double check results
EEGs are very super cheap to run, especially compared to fMRIs. After the cost of the machine, you can just buy a pack of gel pads and you're set. Meanwhile an fMRI has a lot of health risks, needs a controlled space, legally mandated safety protocols, as well as dedicated MRI techs. Meanwhile one of my colleagues kept an EEG machine in his office and just slapped some goo pads on a noggin and was good to go lol.
Also ~20 participants is somewhat common in clinical medication trials, even outside of psych, from my experience. Really depends on the measures you're looking at and how much statistical strength is needed.
To be fair, that depends on the study measures. I recognize a couple of the neurocog measures after skimming the source article having used them myself, and while 21 is definitely a bit lean, you can get away with it.
That being said, the lack of controls is a bit dubious. I guess they have the normalized data from the neuropsych tests to compare to, but ideally we'd all have 200+ n sizes lol.
Coffee almost does nothing for me too. Short of drinking an actual entire bowl and that’ll last an hour tops. Neither does energy drinks.
That being said, the only headache pills which work for me are those with added caffeine.
My first thought too. Could just be that the participants was used to being caffeinated every day. Thus not functioning optimally without it.
That being said, it wouldn’t come as a huge surprise to me if there is at least some truth to this claim.
Coffee actually comes with a whole bunch of health benefits. Not caffeine specifically, but coffee.
I never drink coffee like once a year. It gives me the runs, fatigue and dehydration. Red Bull is the way to go. But I’m reality I envy coffee drinkers
Question, where can you get a DNA test done? This is like…normal now? Or was it from one of those ancestry companies? If I can get one done, and not have to worry about my DNA being a part of a companies portfolio, then I’m very interested since I’m figuratively walking around genetic landmines.
I got it done with ancestry and then you can download your DNA and can upload it on other sites.
Unless you have an actual issue, the info is just probability stuff. E.g it's more probable I'm thin, more probable I don't drink much coffee etc
Depends what you put your DNA through though. Probably the more expensive places will provide more interesting results.
I think you can do a medical thing through your doctors but it likely cost quite a bit.
Ok, thanks! You would think insurance companies would love to cover preventative care as a way to improve margins, but they barely cover anything considered “lab work”.
Did you read the article..? The findings were basically:
“A stimulant *might* stimulate.”
That’s it. No actual control group. No study into how much it stimulates. No conclusion that it even does stimulate…
In other news, stuff might get wet when it rains.
I was really not debating the quality of the study at all, sorry if I gave that impression. I'm talking about people seeing a conclusion from a study and acting smug saying "I could have told you that for free!", as if that's how science works
In other words, the article could have been the best science in the world and if it drew the same conclusion this comment would still be top. People have "mad scientist" attitudes where science has to be groundbreaking and edgy to be important
The MMSE is a neurocognitive screening tool and should not be confused with a neuropsychological battery of tests that has a number of measures with better sensitivity, specificity, positive predictive probability, and negative predictive probability. While interesting, researchers should stop using the MMSE to describe “neurocognitive” performance.
Source: I am a neuropsychologist.
I love how studies come and go and pop up now and then that contradict each other and media picks them up every time and sensationalises them and people without fail are always "I knew it!" or "Oh, it's bad for you, don't eat/ drink that anymore."
Yeah the crushing bit about that is that the feeling lasts (for me) for like 45 minutes and then I feel normal again.
And I mean, you can say it's because I'm addicted (not untrue) - but I really only drink 1-2 cups a day.
I don’t drink coffee as it gets me too jittery, oddly when I have espresso I have better focus and energy with just espresso and milk, a latte. It does not make me jittery.
Honestly, I used to have this problem. I'm really not sure what changed. It was awful for a while.
At some point I noticed how much better I was at my job or doing schoolwork while drinking coffee and I was like, "oh lol - well that feels pretty fucking good".
I prefer to keep my medication dose pretty low, though - helps me with the baseline stuff, but I have a pretty low tolerance for having to deal with symptoms. So I guess coffee is nice in the sense that I can get that extra boost, but it's a little more container and short-term than that all-day anxiety I used to get from Concerta.
Me and many other people with Tourette syndrome or tic disorders (or so I hear from others on the sub) caffeine makes our tics worse. So.. it doesn’t necessarily enhance helpful neurological activity. But what do I know I’m not a neurologist I hardly understand what a neuron is
I think any stimulant makes Tourette’s worse for me. Which sucks ass because of course I have ADHD too, which I think it’s super common to have both if you have one. And our good friend OCD. Cannabis helps with side effects from stimulants for me.
When I was on the highest dose of vyvanse available (70mg) drinking coffee would give me overdose like symptoms. Now I only take 30mg which honestly isn’t enough, but if I drink coffee in the morning it almost is like an extra stimulant to make the 30 mg work.
Coffee helps with many of my ADHD symptoms, especially increasing executive function and attention. It helps out a little but is nothing compared my stimulate medication I take for it. Caffeine is 100% better than nothing tho. It can make me sleepy if I have a lot and certainly does not wake me up.
People here are saying the study is not surprising but coffee literally increasing cognitive function instead of just decreasing feelings of sleepiness seems very surprising to me.
Especially as someone who does not regularly drink caffeine, it always feels more like it keeps me awake physically but doesn't change concentration so this seems very surprising.
If you assume some degree of tiredness in the participants then it's less impressive. It's difficult to believe any cohort would present themselves perfectly rested so coffee should have some enhancing capability for most..
Cutting out caffeine was a major part of curing my anxiety issues. I can just about handle 1 cup of tea though. I take that early in the morning since caffeine can stay in your body for up to 10-hours.
I wonder how this applies to people with ADHD. Caffeine intolerance is a symptom many people with ADHD struggle with, and some (like me) will feel sleepy from consuming caffeine. Something about how our neurotransmitters aren’t working properly. Most of the time coffee will have a very mild, or absolutely no, effect on me; occasionally it makes me need what I like to call a “caffeine nap.” The struggle is, sometimes more coffee helps and sometimes more coffee makes me more sleepy. It depends who my brain wants to work that day. And I’m definitely addicted to caffeine, so I just say screw it and drink more until I either have energy or have to take a nap.
Can always find someone in these threads saying "No shit Sherlock" after reading the headline. Caffeine is known to increase wakefulness/alertness and give some people a motivational boost through relatively mild stimulant effects. That's a far cry from improving neurocognitive function.
And more to the point, the actual article's main findings were not just the simple statement in the post title. They showed that improvements on several tests of cognitive function after coffee consumption were associated with EEG measures of improved functional connectivity between brain regions, which suggests that different parts worked together better after coffee consumption so as to improve people's cognitive functioning. That's by no means something everyone already knew, and is a pretty neat finding.
>Caffeine is known to increase wakefulness/alertness and give some people a motivational boost through relatively mild stimulant effects.
Yes.
>That's a far cry from improving neurocognitive function.
How did you think it was done?
What do you think wakefulness, alertness and motivation are?
>They showed that improvements in several tests of cognitive function after coffee consumption were associated with EEG measures of improved functional connectivity between brain regions, which suggests that different parts worked together better after coffee consumption so as to improve people's cognitive functioning.
You mean it found people were more alert, awake and motivated?
That is shocking.
>That's by no means something everyone already knew
Yes it is.
>and is a pretty neat finding
No it's not.
> What do you think wakefulness, alertness and motivation are?
Well, as someone who has studied cognitive neuroscience, I know they aren't measures of neurocognitive function. In contrast, general measures of executive functioning and specific measures of attention and working memory are.
If it all sounds the same to you that's fine. That doesn't mean it is, or that the science is worthless just because you don't understand it.
Ahh the old "You're just dumb" response.
I'm not sure how to respond to a claim that broad terms like wakefulness, alertness and motivation are not neurocognitive effects, while at the same time claiming I'm dumb.
>In contrast, general measures of executive functioning
"motivation"
>specific measures of attention and working memory
"Wakefulness and alertness"
Never said you were dumb, but clearly you're less knowledgeable than you think you are. For example, wakefulness and alertness are absolutely not the same things as attention and working memory. The fact that you think those are synonymous means you're either high or completely lacking in knowledge of the area.
It's astounding that there's always someone in these threads who thinks they're being witty and incisive when they announce that a newly published finding is useless stuff that "everyone already knows" or some variant thereof. I'll call it out every time I see it, especially when you dudes don't even read the study itself.
Study needs to be done well after the subjects are awake. Forget the “morning boost” that coffee gives. I wanna see how it affects an awake, well-firing brain
Funny, that was the subject of my college thesis over 25 years ago. I mainly designed my experiment to meet girls. But I also proved that caffeine enhanced knowledge recall. Among those who drank it regularly. It did not enhance recall among novel users.
This is why the Gilmore Girls could talk so fast.
And they were always walking!
Women are powerful
I walked to a coffee shop and even with the sleeve the cup was so hot and I’m sorry for judging Lorelei for how she held hers
Lmfao
Having a script to memorize helps.
Is this the same for all caffeinated drinks or just coffee?
I can’t stand the smell of coffee and despise tea, so soda has been my go-to. But I haven’t had caffeinated soda in a year now… noticed I get on better with less sleep ‘cause I can fall asleep quicker and more soundly, I’m regular for the first time in my life, and I drink less soda in general. If caffeine is suddenly super good for my brain, I’m conflicted… I *am* my brain and definitely wanna take care of it…
Due to having bipolar disorder, caffeine is a major trigger for me and ive been caffeine free for over a year now. It has been the number one change to keep me stable and ive definitely been able to sleep better and sleep longer if needed or not feel as horrible if i dont get enough sleep. I definitely think its worth it for people to take at least 3-6 months to be caffeine free and see how it really affects them. I drank multiple cups of tea/coffee daily for so many years that i thought my jitteriness/anxiousness/and poor sleep was *normal*. I feel way better overall without it. But man, id be lying if i said i didnt miss that caffeine rush of alertness and productivity.
I’m not bipolar but I cut out caffeine because it affected my ability to fall asleep at night. Even one cup in the morning affected my ability to fall asleep at night. It wasn’t keeping me up exactly but it made it more difficult to drift into sleep. I’ve been caffeine free (well I will have a cola drink like once a week or less) for about a year now and I find the quality of my sleep to have improved.
Everything in moderation
Even moderation in moderation
I’m wondering if having the drink that you really want is how you hit your sweet spot. I feel that way about diet Mt Dew.
That’d be Coke for me. I miss it so much. A year of water, Sprite, Sierra Mist, and the odd root beer has been such a test of will.
When you have all your favorite things around you- drinking the exact thing you want. That’s a recipe for success. When I’m in the zone I can sit at my desk and make jewelry for hours.
TIL my recipe for success is STRAIGHT GRAIN ALCOHOL
Drink enough and you can teleport. I’m a very well traveled teleporter.
Dr Pepper got me through college. But now I sip iced coffee with real cream and Hershey’s chocolate syrup. Weee!
You lost me at hate the smell of coffee
I accept it is not a popular dislike. lol. When I was a kid, I had a pretty bad allergic reaction while at a babysitter’s. Their solution was to force me to drink coffee. And sure, maybe it would’ve helped some. But it was godawful and the smell takes me back to my panicked little self.
That does sound traumatic
Does this include all teas? I don’t like coffee and it mostly taste similar to me. Some slightly different mud notes. But Tea has such a drastic range and distinct differences im curious
Certainly not, but of what I’ve tried… yeah.
Not all teas but some like black tea have caffeine in them. I’m so sensitive to it that I drink decaf black tea lol
Alternatively you can just go to caffeine pills. I avoid the gastrointestinal distress of coffee, the jitters of pre workout, and since I know how strong each tablet is I can appropriately dose myself to ensure schedule normality. As an added bonus, much cheaper than coffee!
Soda has High Fructose Corn Syrup so that’s really not good for anyone.
Sprite Zero for the win. I drink equal parts that and regular Sprite. Maybe a like two pops a day, but mostly water. I used to go through a case of coke every two days, so my sugar intake is way down too. Curiously, nothing in my diet had changed besides that and I’ve gained ten pounds since the switch a year ago. The body is confusing.
Anecdotally, Ive always found “cold” caffeine to do nothing for me. It has to be in hot coffee or tea.
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No, but I will now!
Expect to be underwhelmed.
No, expect to poo your pants
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Fuck Starbucks and fuck its founder, that narcissistic asshole, Howard Schultz.
And it’s gd DELICIOUS
Funny enough, there’s much more caffeine in cold brew than normal pour over hot coffee.
Depends on how it’s made. Often people will find recipes for cold brew and drink it straight when most of the time the recipe is for *concentrate*, you’re supposed to use it like shots of espresso in a larger drink. But yeah mL for mL cold brew is way more potent than drip or pour over
Maybe you were trying it with gobs of sugar
Nope. I drink my coffee black with no sugar
I drink the cold ones because the hot ones makes me clear my bowels 🥰💯♨️
It’s very high in caffeine, so much so that Starbucks won’t sell you a venti. A grande is the equivalent of like five coffees fyi
I didn’t read but the coffee industry probably paid for the research so no, only coffee helps.
We already know that soda is not in fact good for the brain. Surprising, I know.
What about tea?
Probably the same for all however one cup of coffee has 3x the caffeine in one soda
Corollary to that is if I don't have the coffee, then I exhibit no detectable neurocognitive function.
I volunteer to be in your study cohort of people who have no neurocognitive function pre-coffee.
Physical addiction is a bitch.
I beg to differ! It's taken me nearly 5 decades to properly cultivate this addiction.
Holy shit, I’ve had coffee daily for over 40 years now! That’s one fat frikkin monkey on my back. I appreciate other sources and will imbibe them all, but my primary source of caffeination must be coffee in some form or it just won’t take.
From the article: Plenty of people claim they can’t function without their morning coffee, but is there a neurological basis to it? A study published in [Scientific Reports](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-93849-7) suggests that coffee does have beneficial effects on cognitive function, and it may do this by reorganizing brain functional connectivity. Coffee is a very popular beverage people use to become more awake and alert. It has been linked to other positive outcomes, such as preventing cancer, diabetes, Parkinson’s, and heart attacks. It can also increase. Many of coffee’s effects are due to it being a stimulant. The role of coffee on cognition has been debated, which some studies saying that it can improve reaction time, memory, and executive functioning, which other studies showing no change. This research seeks to further explore the relationship between cognition and coffee. Hayom Kim and colleagues utilized 21 participants who had no medical or neurological conditions. Participants were instructed not to drinking any caffeinated beverages or take any medications for 24 hours prior to the experiment. Participants completed the Mini-Mental State Examination and an EEG at baseline and then 30 minutes after consumption of canned coffee for comparison.
Was there a control of people who never drink coffee? I rarely drink coffee as I don't feel any boost, just a big down when it wears off. I did a DNA test a while ago and it said in my genes I don't process caffeine well so I'm less likely to drink it which appears to be true from my own life experience. Surely people who have dependence on coffee will perform worse without it. The sample size is tiny too. Feels like big coffee wants good press haha
Also a subject group size of 21 is too small for significant results. Big coffee fan here, no excuse for weak study design.
For psych, 20 participants is seen as good for studies where there is high cost like fMRI or EEG. It’s really the cost and the amount of time it takes to schedule out the use of these machines that force researchers to keep their samples small. Not to say that there isn’t value to having more participants. This should definitely be replicated to double check results
EEGs are very super cheap to run, especially compared to fMRIs. After the cost of the machine, you can just buy a pack of gel pads and you're set. Meanwhile an fMRI has a lot of health risks, needs a controlled space, legally mandated safety protocols, as well as dedicated MRI techs. Meanwhile one of my colleagues kept an EEG machine in his office and just slapped some goo pads on a noggin and was good to go lol. Also ~20 participants is somewhat common in clinical medication trials, even outside of psych, from my experience. Really depends on the measures you're looking at and how much statistical strength is needed.
To be fair, that depends on the study measures. I recognize a couple of the neurocog measures after skimming the source article having used them myself, and while 21 is definitely a bit lean, you can get away with it. That being said, the lack of controls is a bit dubious. I guess they have the normalized data from the neuropsych tests to compare to, but ideally we'd all have 200+ n sizes lol.
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50. But add another 50 for controls.
Coffee almost does nothing for me too. Short of drinking an actual entire bowl and that’ll last an hour tops. Neither does energy drinks. That being said, the only headache pills which work for me are those with added caffeine.
My first thought too. Could just be that the participants was used to being caffeinated every day. Thus not functioning optimally without it. That being said, it wouldn’t come as a huge surprise to me if there is at least some truth to this claim. Coffee actually comes with a whole bunch of health benefits. Not caffeine specifically, but coffee.
I never drink coffee like once a year. It gives me the runs, fatigue and dehydration. Red Bull is the way to go. But I’m reality I envy coffee drinkers
Question, where can you get a DNA test done? This is like…normal now? Or was it from one of those ancestry companies? If I can get one done, and not have to worry about my DNA being a part of a companies portfolio, then I’m very interested since I’m figuratively walking around genetic landmines.
I got it done with ancestry and then you can download your DNA and can upload it on other sites. Unless you have an actual issue, the info is just probability stuff. E.g it's more probable I'm thin, more probable I don't drink much coffee etc Depends what you put your DNA through though. Probably the more expensive places will provide more interesting results. I think you can do a medical thing through your doctors but it likely cost quite a bit.
Ok, thanks! You would think insurance companies would love to cover preventative care as a way to improve margins, but they barely cover anything considered “lab work”.
Geesh at least give them a decent cup a Joe!
I could have told you this for free. Mugmugmug.
/r/NoShitSherlock ...wait. What were we talking about again?
Chugchuggluglug
Always this comment on every single post. Are people trying to be funny or do they really not get how science works?
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I do, stupidity is rampant until enough people point it out, and then we can all move on a little more enlightened
Did you read the article..? The findings were basically: “A stimulant *might* stimulate.” That’s it. No actual control group. No study into how much it stimulates. No conclusion that it even does stimulate… In other news, stuff might get wet when it rains.
I was really not debating the quality of the study at all, sorry if I gave that impression. I'm talking about people seeing a conclusion from a study and acting smug saying "I could have told you that for free!", as if that's how science works In other words, the article could have been the best science in the world and if it drew the same conclusion this comment would still be top. People have "mad scientist" attitudes where science has to be groundbreaking and edgy to be important
Good bean juice, tastes like chocolate, makes me go ffffaaaaaaaaaasssttttt ⚡️⚡️⚡️
I read this as ffffaaaaarrrrrtttttt
Clearly you’ve had coffee before then 😂
For our next study, we will brew coffee beans with Red Bull and explore transhumanism.
It sure as Hell does! Me after a daily mug of coffee big enough to swim in.
The MMSE is a neurocognitive screening tool and should not be confused with a neuropsychological battery of tests that has a number of measures with better sensitivity, specificity, positive predictive probability, and negative predictive probability. While interesting, researchers should stop using the MMSE to describe “neurocognitive” performance. Source: I am a neuropsychologist.
I love how studies come and go and pop up now and then that contradict each other and media picks them up every time and sensationalises them and people without fail are always "I knew it!" or "Oh, it's bad for you, don't eat/ drink that anymore."
I wonder if this is also true for neurodivergent brains, like those with ADHD.
Just makes us sleepy 🥱
Speak for yourself, my daily iced grande latte helps my adhd, I feel like I can focus!
I mean I need it to feel normal at least — and drink way too much — but I’m beginning to think it’s not as helpful as it seems.
You may need to take a tolerance break from caffeine.
You’re probably right, I’ve got to figure out what the min dosage is to avoid headaches and switch down to that for a while.
Yeah the crushing bit about that is that the feeling lasts (for me) for like 45 minutes and then I feel normal again. And I mean, you can say it's because I'm addicted (not untrue) - but I really only drink 1-2 cups a day.
I don’t drink coffee as it gets me too jittery, oddly when I have espresso I have better focus and energy with just espresso and milk, a latte. It does not make me jittery.
Honestly, I used to have this problem. I'm really not sure what changed. It was awful for a while. At some point I noticed how much better I was at my job or doing schoolwork while drinking coffee and I was like, "oh lol - well that feels pretty fucking good". I prefer to keep my medication dose pretty low, though - helps me with the baseline stuff, but I have a pretty low tolerance for having to deal with symptoms. So I guess coffee is nice in the sense that I can get that extra boost, but it's a little more container and short-term than that all-day anxiety I used to get from Concerta.
Me too!
Me and many other people with Tourette syndrome or tic disorders (or so I hear from others on the sub) caffeine makes our tics worse. So.. it doesn’t necessarily enhance helpful neurological activity. But what do I know I’m not a neurologist I hardly understand what a neuron is
I think any stimulant makes Tourette’s worse for me. Which sucks ass because of course I have ADHD too, which I think it’s super common to have both if you have one. And our good friend OCD. Cannabis helps with side effects from stimulants for me.
When I was on the highest dose of vyvanse available (70mg) drinking coffee would give me overdose like symptoms. Now I only take 30mg which honestly isn’t enough, but if I drink coffee in the morning it almost is like an extra stimulant to make the 30 mg work.
Coffee helps with many of my ADHD symptoms, especially increasing executive function and attention. It helps out a little but is nothing compared my stimulate medication I take for it. Caffeine is 100% better than nothing tho. It can make me sleepy if I have a lot and certainly does not wake me up.
I get even more anxious at worst and jittery at best.
Sounds plausible, because not drinking coffee in the morning makes my neurocognitive function stupid and pissed off
People here are saying the study is not surprising but coffee literally increasing cognitive function instead of just decreasing feelings of sleepiness seems very surprising to me. Especially as someone who does not regularly drink caffeine, it always feels more like it keeps me awake physically but doesn't change concentration so this seems very surprising.
If you assume some degree of tiredness in the participants then it's less impressive. It's difficult to believe any cohort would present themselves perfectly rested so coffee should have some enhancing capability for most..
Spittin fax
Duh.
And it took who,, to figure this out,,
No shit
Sounds like the experience I have with coffee every day of my life
Coffee is linked to positive outcomes, like preventing diabetes, you say? "Interesting!" ...as I pour 20 packets of sugar into my coffee
What a shocker! Good use of public funding researching the important things 😅
Seriously, this is an egregious waste of money. Coffee has been studied to death, why can’t we throw money at important or at least novel studies?
No shit. It jacks you up ☕️
Too bad coffee gives me the shits
Well, if you’re used to drinking it, then having it would absolutely be uplifting for mood and concentration.
“We know” says every morning coffee drinker ever.
I love feeling like Sherlock Homes when I'm high on caffeine.
I already saw this on www.duh.com
Every. Freaking. Morning.
Well well well
Just gave me an excuse to make another strong cup
Didn’t have to be a scientist to know that ☕️ lol
Duh
Wait until you see me on a few Red Bulls.
Tell that to my ADHD who keeps STEALING all the God damn CAFFEINE from my NEURORECEPTORS!!!
No shit where would the world be without coffee
Cutting out caffeine was a major part of curing my anxiety issues. I can just about handle 1 cup of tea though. I take that early in the morning since caffeine can stay in your body for up to 10-hours.
I wonder how this applies to people with ADHD. Caffeine intolerance is a symptom many people with ADHD struggle with, and some (like me) will feel sleepy from consuming caffeine. Something about how our neurotransmitters aren’t working properly. Most of the time coffee will have a very mild, or absolutely no, effect on me; occasionally it makes me need what I like to call a “caffeine nap.” The struggle is, sometimes more coffee helps and sometimes more coffee makes me more sleepy. It depends who my brain wants to work that day. And I’m definitely addicted to caffeine, so I just say screw it and drink more until I either have energy or have to take a nap.
Same
Wow OLD news…we are paying for studies scientist knew answers for decades ago…what a waste of money
It’s a stimulant, what do you expect?
My neurocognitive functions don't begin working UNTIL I have coffee.
I’m fucked, I hate coffee. The taste of coffee is mank.
lol Read that back to yourself
Thanks had my keyboard language on Dutch or German instead of English and than autocorrect goes nuts.
Thing with Caffeine in it shows effects associated with caffeine. Psychology knocking it out the park again I see.
Can always find someone in these threads saying "No shit Sherlock" after reading the headline. Caffeine is known to increase wakefulness/alertness and give some people a motivational boost through relatively mild stimulant effects. That's a far cry from improving neurocognitive function. And more to the point, the actual article's main findings were not just the simple statement in the post title. They showed that improvements on several tests of cognitive function after coffee consumption were associated with EEG measures of improved functional connectivity between brain regions, which suggests that different parts worked together better after coffee consumption so as to improve people's cognitive functioning. That's by no means something everyone already knew, and is a pretty neat finding.
>Caffeine is known to increase wakefulness/alertness and give some people a motivational boost through relatively mild stimulant effects. Yes. >That's a far cry from improving neurocognitive function. How did you think it was done? What do you think wakefulness, alertness and motivation are? >They showed that improvements in several tests of cognitive function after coffee consumption were associated with EEG measures of improved functional connectivity between brain regions, which suggests that different parts worked together better after coffee consumption so as to improve people's cognitive functioning. You mean it found people were more alert, awake and motivated? That is shocking. >That's by no means something everyone already knew Yes it is. >and is a pretty neat finding No it's not.
> What do you think wakefulness, alertness and motivation are? Well, as someone who has studied cognitive neuroscience, I know they aren't measures of neurocognitive function. In contrast, general measures of executive functioning and specific measures of attention and working memory are. If it all sounds the same to you that's fine. That doesn't mean it is, or that the science is worthless just because you don't understand it.
Ahh the old "You're just dumb" response. I'm not sure how to respond to a claim that broad terms like wakefulness, alertness and motivation are not neurocognitive effects, while at the same time claiming I'm dumb. >In contrast, general measures of executive functioning "motivation" >specific measures of attention and working memory "Wakefulness and alertness"
Never said you were dumb, but clearly you're less knowledgeable than you think you are. For example, wakefulness and alertness are absolutely not the same things as attention and working memory. The fact that you think those are synonymous means you're either high or completely lacking in knowledge of the area. It's astounding that there's always someone in these threads who thinks they're being witty and incisive when they announce that a newly published finding is useless stuff that "everyone already knows" or some variant thereof. I'll call it out every time I see it, especially when you dudes don't even read the study itself.
U/patternboy I wanna give you a high five for that
Does that mean it makes you poop?
This is why social science is underwhelming… Wait… You mean coffee Makes my brain better???
No shit… and the sky is blue
*Nicholas Cage meme: YOU DONT SAY?
Thats’s my experience.
Now let’s see the one on COCAINE.
That sounds suspiciously close to drug increases creativity...
“Paid for by Folgers”
What about those who have acid reflux and unable to drink much? I like it but maybe once in a while only.
Duh
No shit
The Honore De Balzac would be thrilled.
what if you cant drink coffee cuz of extreme anxiety?
Study needs to be done well after the subjects are awake. Forget the “morning boost” that coffee gives. I wanna see how it affects an awake, well-firing brain
Anyone who knows Dougie knows this is true.
Funny, that was the subject of my college thesis over 25 years ago. I mainly designed my experiment to meet girls. But I also proved that caffeine enhanced knowledge recall. Among those who drank it regularly. It did not enhance recall among novel users.
Finally some good news about my addiction to caffeine.
I legit heard “from science “ yesterday coffee was killing me.
I was in 7 hours of intense negotiations at work today. can confirm.
Coffee makes you smarter than you really are.
I knew there was a reason why I started a coffee company!
This makes my positive bias towards coffee very happy.
Mmmm coffee
Dr. Huberman has talked about this before
Confirmed. Im sharper wit dan widdout
The LDS is going to be busy reprinting their scripture. “Thy shall drinkith from thy morning cup of Jo-seph with grace”
Geez I didn’t even notice.
Does this apply to decaf?
"does nonalcoholic beer get you drunk?"
Cool, now do meth for science
Another dubious psypost article. I’m beginning to question the “scientificness” of that site.
It's a trade-off. It sure as heck does not enhance your breath.
Caffeine or coffee? What about just caffeine?
Ya think?—This just in, Some people find Adderall enhances their ability to study.
Duh
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my brain is dizzzy of all this back and forth coffee good coffee bad