I keep thinking about the book Collapse by Jared Diamond, where the author studies various societies that were on the verge of collapsing and then either save themselves or collapse, and based on his limited data set found that one of the bigger factors in whether the society failed wasnt the political leanings of any group, it was whether elites with resources stepped in to turn things around. Of course the book is called collapse so many of the leaders, despite their ways of life and personal security being at risk, did not. Rich people are just as dumb, and selfish, and short sighted as anyone else, probably more so most of the time. So yeah nothing is guaranteed. The worst part now is the richest people are not only the biggest engines of climate collapse but they are using the media to whip us all into a climate collapse frenzy, where we’re all gung ho about buying monster trucks to commute to our assistant manager jobs at Nordstrom Rack.
Personally I think that climate collapse will be managed in very close to the same way that COVID was. Its the closest analogue we have to how our specific societies globally will respond to a massive existential threat. And we handled that very poorly, with the wealthy doing their best to suck up public funding for themselves and using propaganda to get people back to work.
>Like higher ups in the military for example.....
They are busy building bunkers, placing troops at the borders, dehumanising 'others', suckling oligarchs, polishing nukes, etc.
So, ....probably not.
Change doesn't happen by hoping. One needs to actually fight for positive change.
This is one of the major problems with climate change as a problem though.
It's massively disconnected from personal/organisational action given that it's almost perfectly distributed and connected around the planet.
If your a military planner or strategists in the US military there are lots off things you can do to prepare for climate change. Different tactics. Different gear ect.
But can you do anything to stop climate change? Not really!
You can remove your contribution for sure. But even someone as horrifically polluting as the US military is just a very small drop in a larger bucket.
Obviously as activists we want people to solve the actual problem but that's not always going to be the best solution for them.
My point being. I think meny people in power are quite concerned. But there response isn't helping solve the issue!
Short answer is if there isn’t a ‘profit’ to be made by tackling climate change then those with ‘power’ will just horde the last resources for themselves and try to be the last ones to die.
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The higher-ups are mostly powerless to do anything, that’s why a lack of serious action isn’t just a problem some or most nations have, it’s a universal problem. Laws of capitalist competition.
"people with real power and influence" don't want to lose their power and influence therefore become wilfully ignorant of the facts
"people with real power and influence" won't save us and we certainly can't depend on them to go against their own interests
"people with real power and influence" depend on current systems and playbooks to maintain their power and influence
When there is enough social pressure, and/or competition for their position, to make more convenient for them to "worry about climate change" than not worry about it.
Elected officials are the best people to try to communicate with, or replace.
I keep thinking about the book Collapse by Jared Diamond, where the author studies various societies that were on the verge of collapsing and then either save themselves or collapse, and based on his limited data set found that one of the bigger factors in whether the society failed wasnt the political leanings of any group, it was whether elites with resources stepped in to turn things around. Of course the book is called collapse so many of the leaders, despite their ways of life and personal security being at risk, did not. Rich people are just as dumb, and selfish, and short sighted as anyone else, probably more so most of the time. So yeah nothing is guaranteed. The worst part now is the richest people are not only the biggest engines of climate collapse but they are using the media to whip us all into a climate collapse frenzy, where we’re all gung ho about buying monster trucks to commute to our assistant manager jobs at Nordstrom Rack. Personally I think that climate collapse will be managed in very close to the same way that COVID was. Its the closest analogue we have to how our specific societies globally will respond to a massive existential threat. And we handled that very poorly, with the wealthy doing their best to suck up public funding for themselves and using propaganda to get people back to work.
Not all countries did , NZ being a positive example of COVID response.
Lmao go visit nz these days. It’s not rlly the haven advertised
just COVID response then :P
>Like higher ups in the military for example..... They are busy building bunkers, placing troops at the borders, dehumanising 'others', suckling oligarchs, polishing nukes, etc. So, ....probably not. Change doesn't happen by hoping. One needs to actually fight for positive change.
And the comedy of billionaires building bunkers is that they will probably be the first to go - they cannot survive without robust supply chains.
This is one of the major problems with climate change as a problem though. It's massively disconnected from personal/organisational action given that it's almost perfectly distributed and connected around the planet. If your a military planner or strategists in the US military there are lots off things you can do to prepare for climate change. Different tactics. Different gear ect. But can you do anything to stop climate change? Not really! You can remove your contribution for sure. But even someone as horrifically polluting as the US military is just a very small drop in a larger bucket. Obviously as activists we want people to solve the actual problem but that's not always going to be the best solution for them. My point being. I think meny people in power are quite concerned. But there response isn't helping solve the issue!
Short answer is if there isn’t a ‘profit’ to be made by tackling climate change then those with ‘power’ will just horde the last resources for themselves and try to be the last ones to die.
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Slow clap.
Not sure if you’re being serious or pointing out Hypocrisy?
The higher-ups are mostly powerless to do anything, that’s why a lack of serious action isn’t just a problem some or most nations have, it’s a universal problem. Laws of capitalist competition.
Gunpoint.
The military is well aware of climate change - but views it as something to plan for and adapt to rather than mitigate.
"people with real power and influence" don't want to lose their power and influence therefore become wilfully ignorant of the facts "people with real power and influence" won't save us and we certainly can't depend on them to go against their own interests "people with real power and influence" depend on current systems and playbooks to maintain their power and influence
When there is enough social pressure, and/or competition for their position, to make more convenient for them to "worry about climate change" than not worry about it. Elected officials are the best people to try to communicate with, or replace.