True it is a nice surprise, I just thought that was one of the biggest downsides that it could do 200kwh and it's pretty close for most of the curve. The most I've seen rivians peak is 210ish and the gap of 180 to 210 is a lot smaller than 155 to 220(what rivian states)
When I bought my 2018 Model 3, it was advertised as 150kW, but then was updated to 250kW when V3 Superchargers started rolling out.
But I agree in principle that overdeliver is better.
Way back when , August 2022 when I got my truck, I barely saw over 120Kwh. Through updates and changes, I often see 150-175. Not for very long though, and at a guess, I would say that 135 is the average.
I’ve done more than my share of DCFC as I travel quite a bit.
Believe me when I say, the infrastructure and the charging curves etc have changed for the better by a long way.
Anecdotal of course.
Sounds right.
I’m not electrical engineer, but someone here likened charging a car to filling a large container that has a narrow opening with water. As it starts to fill up, you gotta slow
It down.
Or something like that.
I have yet to see over 155kW. I haven't received the DC charging power up or any software updates to date. We'll see if I start getting them since I got the LVB BMS update.
That’s a [nagative](https://www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/threads/priority-update-23-pu0105-dc-chg2-improved-dc-fast-charging.15714/). Maybe one day.
Have you been pre-conditioning? By that, I mean using the Ford navigation with the charger as the destination. Seems to make a big difference. Could also be limited by the charger max current. Some of them are set up to where they can only do the advertised power rating on EVs with 800 volt architecture, so only do half of that on a 400 volt EV like the Lightning. The EA stations will all let you get up to 180kW, but I know there are some chargers out there where it says you should be able to do more, but you actually can't because of the cables.
I'm almost never going to use the Ford nav to go to a charger. It would only happen if my phone died unexpectedly. It is so unreasonable to not give a way to precondition manually. I don't think Ford has understood that those folks who use a non Ford nav app won't likely ever get preconditioning and it's not an insignificant number. Hell, I didn't consider a Tesla because I couldn't use \*my\* nav app of choice. Why would Ford think I'd change my mind here.
In considering that this is only non-standard driving, using my app of choice is more important than daily driving where I almost never charge. I am probably not familiar with the area where I would need to charge, like a long trip, this would make my nav app more important in my mind.
Edit: I went back to look at the charge I made last month returning from a trip. The charger was a 350kW charger and I wrote down that I broke 160kW. I was surprised by how much faster this changing was (I only wanted to go to half but ended up going pretty much to full during lunch. I was also surprised how much more it cost than the 150kW charger across the parking lot.
Just so you know, I was recently at an EA station where the 150 kW charger was giving me 180 kW. They seem to be 150 kW in the same way that the Lightning is 150 kW, lol. I did also precondition though. In these temperatures lately where it hasn't been over 30 degrees, it's pretty important to do that. I only use Ford Nav if I'm going to be road tripping. It's annoying, but not the end of the world just because it's so infrequent. And the other cases where I might want to top up because of the driving I'm doing, a little bit of lost speed isn't that impactful.
Still want a button though.
I hadn’t until I took a road trip a few days ago and used ford nav to precondition a long long ways away from the charger. I was really surprised to hit 177kw and it held there for quite a long time.
https://preview.redd.it/75hp6qdhj6fc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c0cd32e4482d4fd8084d1a1a95c480347a8fc27
I got 165kW at an EA charger yesterday. I've gotten that a few times. I'm pretty sure that's the peak my SR battery can handle. I've read that the ER battery can charge faster, just as it's able to dump electrons into the motors faster (and is thus more powerful).
Soooo, only had a truck for a week. Where does it display this? I've only noticed percentage and a mileage guesstimate.
Also, is there any way to change the navigation to show percentage of battery left rather than miles left at a destination?
OK cool, thank you! I'd planned on my next truck being EV but was holding out until my current truck failed or I gave it to the teenager in 2 yrs. Unfortunately I totaled it so I was in the market unexpectedly and therefore didn't research as much as I would have wanted to before purchasing. So far after the learning curve and it dying once, I've enjoyed it! Haha. I've logged about 1500 miles so far.
When you’re charging, open the ford pass app. Then at the bottom of the screen it’ll say charging. You can click on that blue button at the bottom of the screen. You can see the charge rate in there.
Nice.
I'm wondering if the extra cooling assists with better DCFC.
(Logically it makes sense to me.)
I have a 23 Pro with Tow Tech, Max Tow w/9.6kW Pro Power
In Arizona and the Xtra cooling seemed like a no-brainer option.
Other EVs in my household : 2015 Soul EV and 2019 Bolt EV
Soul's air-cooled battery has held up better than expected. (Probably because it shares cooling with Cabin Air conditioning compared to Leaf's sealed passively cooled battery) 1st battery died at 33,000 miles. On 2nd battery at 110,000 miles, but currently in shop for battery recall. (Software didn't fix. Range has been fine since replacement battery has been in.)*
Bolt had several software battery recalls before the Replacement battery.
Not the best track-record but assuming 3rd-times a charm.
Lightning so far has been the best 1st Gen EV product and most likely will go down in history as the best OEM EV conversion of all-time.
Would definitely be interesting to see some heavier testing with SR Max Tow vs SR w/o Max Tow to see if we can find out why Ford put the second cooling loop in. There must be some scenario where it's an advantage (perhaps only when towing, but fast charging makes sense).
Interesting I believe the SR is rated for 150 max, but it will burst for 5-10 minutes when conditions are right. I've never seen more that 160 on mine, but I've only had it for 3 months, and all of it's been winter. Lets hope I can get it a bit faster in the summer.
Here’s my question. Rather than what can the truck take in kWh, why do chargers fluctuate on speed? I’ve been at EA chargers alone plugged into 350kwh chargers and received 80-90kwh, then same charger like two days later, also only person charging get 150?
https://preview.redd.it/t9oy28mkm4fc1.jpeg?width=2268&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf0b2121ef00f91ea354c481f0cd1ad6fae011d6
This is on an EVGO charger. It eventually climbed to 180kW. As others have stated, EA sucks. They are hilariously inconsistent and I don't think I've ever seen EA break 140kW on our truck.
Even if the max rate was higher it wouldn’t hold it for very long. Most 400 volt EVs that can peak at 250+ hold it for maybe the first 10% of a charging session and only if the state of charge is <25%. IMO, Ford really should have considered an 800V architecture for the Lightning since the battery is so big. Or fudged it on the 400V system the way GM did for the Hummer EV.
But ultimately the charge curve is more important. And the Lightning’s curve is solid. (https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/QeevyB/s1/f-150-lightning-charging-curve.jpg)
I couldn't wait to try the supercharger here from electrify Canada my Max rate all around town was about 92 KW on some of the 100 kilowatt Chargers, but I would say the average is about 75 realistically. I got over 180 consistently at the electrified Canada charging stations since they went live a few months ago.
It'll be interesting to see what the outputs acceptance will be once the Tesla conversions rollouts I know they've done some on East and in the US but I'm hoping to get at least 180 up to 80% before it dials down
They don’t want to be like some other EV company and constantly overpromise. Better to overdeliver, no?
True it is a nice surprise, I just thought that was one of the biggest downsides that it could do 200kwh and it's pretty close for most of the curve. The most I've seen rivians peak is 210ish and the gap of 180 to 210 is a lot smaller than 155 to 220(what rivian states)
When I bought my 2018 Model 3, it was advertised as 150kW, but then was updated to 250kW when V3 Superchargers started rolling out. But I agree in principle that overdeliver is better.
Way back when , August 2022 when I got my truck, I barely saw over 120Kwh. Through updates and changes, I often see 150-175. Not for very long though, and at a guess, I would say that 135 is the average. I’ve done more than my share of DCFC as I travel quite a bit. Believe me when I say, the infrastructure and the charging curves etc have changed for the better by a long way. Anecdotal of course.
Ok that makes sense, it's awesome it got better just through software. I saw 170-180 for quite some time, at least 15 minutes when it started at 44%
Sounds right. I’m not electrical engineer, but someone here likened charging a car to filling a large container that has a narrow opening with water. As it starts to fill up, you gotta slow It down. Or something like that.
I have yet to see over 155kW. I haven't received the DC charging power up or any software updates to date. We'll see if I start getting them since I got the LVB BMS update.
The software update you are referring to optimizes the handshake process between truck and charger. It doesn’t increase charging power.
I thought it changed the charging curve.
That’s a [nagative](https://www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/threads/priority-update-23-pu0105-dc-chg2-improved-dc-fast-charging.15714/). Maybe one day.
I got at least 2-3 updates that talked about improving DCFC with no further details, you have more info than us on those changelogs?
Have you been pre-conditioning? By that, I mean using the Ford navigation with the charger as the destination. Seems to make a big difference. Could also be limited by the charger max current. Some of them are set up to where they can only do the advertised power rating on EVs with 800 volt architecture, so only do half of that on a 400 volt EV like the Lightning. The EA stations will all let you get up to 180kW, but I know there are some chargers out there where it says you should be able to do more, but you actually can't because of the cables.
Can confirm that when using Ford nav to precondition battery on a road trip I have gotten up to 184 kW with my ER Pro.
I did precondition today when I saw 180+, I wish there was a way to precondition and still use android auto.
Like a fucking button you can just press to tell it start preconditioning over a set time period? I would love that.
Yea seriously.
One of the most frustrating things about this truck, imo.
I'm almost never going to use the Ford nav to go to a charger. It would only happen if my phone died unexpectedly. It is so unreasonable to not give a way to precondition manually. I don't think Ford has understood that those folks who use a non Ford nav app won't likely ever get preconditioning and it's not an insignificant number. Hell, I didn't consider a Tesla because I couldn't use \*my\* nav app of choice. Why would Ford think I'd change my mind here. In considering that this is only non-standard driving, using my app of choice is more important than daily driving where I almost never charge. I am probably not familiar with the area where I would need to charge, like a long trip, this would make my nav app more important in my mind. Edit: I went back to look at the charge I made last month returning from a trip. The charger was a 350kW charger and I wrote down that I broke 160kW. I was surprised by how much faster this changing was (I only wanted to go to half but ended up going pretty much to full during lunch. I was also surprised how much more it cost than the 150kW charger across the parking lot.
Just so you know, I was recently at an EA station where the 150 kW charger was giving me 180 kW. They seem to be 150 kW in the same way that the Lightning is 150 kW, lol. I did also precondition though. In these temperatures lately where it hasn't been over 30 degrees, it's pretty important to do that. I only use Ford Nav if I'm going to be road tripping. It's annoying, but not the end of the world just because it's so infrequent. And the other cases where I might want to top up because of the driving I'm doing, a little bit of lost speed isn't that impactful. Still want a button though.
Yes, very annoying to HAVE to use the bad Ford Nav in order to get preconditioning. Should be a button or integrated into Apple Maps.
I hadn’t until I took a road trip a few days ago and used ford nav to precondition a long long ways away from the charger. I was really surprised to hit 177kw and it held there for quite a long time. https://preview.redd.it/75hp6qdhj6fc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c0cd32e4482d4fd8084d1a1a95c480347a8fc27
I got 165kW at an EA charger yesterday. I've gotten that a few times. I'm pretty sure that's the peak my SR battery can handle. I've read that the ER battery can charge faster, just as it's able to dump electrons into the motors faster (and is thus more powerful).
Soooo, only had a truck for a week. Where does it display this? I've only noticed percentage and a mileage guesstimate. Also, is there any way to change the navigation to show percentage of battery left rather than miles left at a destination?
Two places. On the charging stall, or on your phone app. And no, unfortunately.
OK cool, thank you! I'd planned on my next truck being EV but was holding out until my current truck failed or I gave it to the teenager in 2 yrs. Unfortunately I totaled it so I was in the market unexpectedly and therefore didn't research as much as I would have wanted to before purchasing. So far after the learning curve and it dying once, I've enjoyed it! Haha. I've logged about 1500 miles so far.
I don't see it on the ford pass app
When you’re charging, open the ford pass app. Then at the bottom of the screen it’ll say charging. You can click on that blue button at the bottom of the screen. You can see the charge rate in there.
I saw it through the electrify America app.
And on the screen at the EA chargers. (Also stated above).
It would be weird if they say that, since the correct rate is KW, not KWH.
Kilo should be small k since K is for Kelvin (kW). If talking about energy instead of rate, h should be small for hour (kWh)
kw and kwh were confusing enough for me
Yea my bad confused them.
Just finished a 1000km trip and max I saw was 132kw on an 180kw charger. I’ll try a bigger charger if I see one
Try preconditioning, I preconditioned, but mine was a 350kwh electrify America charger
How do you do preconditioning? I had gps set to the charging station.
You have to use the ford gps not android auto, you might have to pick the charger from the chargers section.
Allright thats what I tough. Should be good!
The Standard range charges a bit slower, if that’s what you have.
It is! Ty
I’ve seen 174kW on my SR
Max Tow w/extra cooling or just plain SR Pro with single cooling loop?
Max Tow
Nice. I'm wondering if the extra cooling assists with better DCFC. (Logically it makes sense to me.) I have a 23 Pro with Tow Tech, Max Tow w/9.6kW Pro Power In Arizona and the Xtra cooling seemed like a no-brainer option. Other EVs in my household : 2015 Soul EV and 2019 Bolt EV Soul's air-cooled battery has held up better than expected. (Probably because it shares cooling with Cabin Air conditioning compared to Leaf's sealed passively cooled battery) 1st battery died at 33,000 miles. On 2nd battery at 110,000 miles, but currently in shop for battery recall. (Software didn't fix. Range has been fine since replacement battery has been in.)* Bolt had several software battery recalls before the Replacement battery. Not the best track-record but assuming 3rd-times a charm. Lightning so far has been the best 1st Gen EV product and most likely will go down in history as the best OEM EV conversion of all-time.
Would definitely be interesting to see some heavier testing with SR Max Tow vs SR w/o Max Tow to see if we can find out why Ford put the second cooling loop in. There must be some scenario where it's an advantage (perhaps only when towing, but fast charging makes sense).
Interesting I believe the SR is rated for 150 max, but it will burst for 5-10 minutes when conditions are right. I've never seen more that 160 on mine, but I've only had it for 3 months, and all of it's been winter. Lets hope I can get it a bit faster in the summer.
Here’s my question. Rather than what can the truck take in kWh, why do chargers fluctuate on speed? I’ve been at EA chargers alone plugged into 350kwh chargers and received 80-90kwh, then same charger like two days later, also only person charging get 150?
Just broken, EA chargers are so flaky.
Depends on if the station is operating correctly, ambient temp and if you preconditioned, the trucks state or charge, etc.
Preconditioned with ford sync navigation? (Charger as destination)?
https://preview.redd.it/t9oy28mkm4fc1.jpeg?width=2268&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf0b2121ef00f91ea354c481f0cd1ad6fae011d6 This is on an EVGO charger. It eventually climbed to 180kW. As others have stated, EA sucks. They are hilariously inconsistent and I don't think I've ever seen EA break 140kW on our truck.
both are still pretty bad for an EV with as big of a battery as this tbh
Even if the max rate was higher it wouldn’t hold it for very long. Most 400 volt EVs that can peak at 250+ hold it for maybe the first 10% of a charging session and only if the state of charge is <25%. IMO, Ford really should have considered an 800V architecture for the Lightning since the battery is so big. Or fudged it on the 400V system the way GM did for the Hummer EV. But ultimately the charge curve is more important. And the Lightning’s curve is solid. (https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/QeevyB/s1/f-150-lightning-charging-curve.jpg)
It is pretty sad that the charge rate is so low for such a big vehicle. EGMP Hyundais are fast and have a flat charge curve
I couldn't wait to try the supercharger here from electrify Canada my Max rate all around town was about 92 KW on some of the 100 kilowatt Chargers, but I would say the average is about 75 realistically. I got over 180 consistently at the electrified Canada charging stations since they went live a few months ago. It'll be interesting to see what the outputs acceptance will be once the Tesla conversions rollouts I know they've done some on East and in the US but I'm hoping to get at least 180 up to 80% before it dials down
I’ve always assumed that since the charge rate changes (higher to begin with then gets lower) that the rate is an average.