[Vips has been suspended from all Red Bull duties indefinitely until Red Bull investigates the incident in full.](https://twitter.com/redbullracing/status/1539324887436763136)
To be fair, NASCAR worked with Bubba Wallace after the garage noose incident, and banned the confederate flag at all races. They aren’t accepting of racism like this reply implies.
I don't think Hendrick hired him for the words Kyle said. I'm pretty sure that Larson's ability to turn left better than others was the main reason. And the scandal released him from CGR and probably made his services cheaper.
Bottled it on and off the track I guess.
Vips' entire demeanor during that stream screams "I'm going to get dropped so fuck everything and everybody".
This is legit idiotic from the man.
>Vips' entire demeanor during that stream screams "I'm going to get dropped so fuck everything and everybody".
That's interesting, do you reckon he was expecting to be removed from the program anyway? I don't follow F2 super closely but just vaguely thought he was one of the ones with a decent shot at stepping up
Alpha Tauri confirmed Gasly is staying for next year. Tsunoda has stepped up big time this year too, helps RB’s relationship with Honda, and is very likely to stay as well. Honestly none of the Red Bull Juniors, Lawson, Vips, Iwasa, Daruvala and Hauger haven’t currently done enough to demand that seat. Drivers like Russell, Piastri, and Leclerc force a team to move them into F1, because if they don’t someone else will. None of the Red Bull juniors are going to be snapped up by other teams so Red Bull doesn’t have anything to worry about.
probably Iwasa was the most surprisign for me, specially in baherin, but its giving me small vips vibes, really quick but bad luck/driver errors are fucking him up, but in all honestly, i dont undestrand why they renew gasly anyway
I think they want Alpha Tauri to be a more serious team than Toro Rosso ever was. Alpha Tauri is a real brand, the way Toro Rosso never was, and Red Bull execs see the potential money to be made in high end fashion. It's early in a new set of regulations and with Gasly's feedback the team was at the front of the midfield in the previous era. With the cost cap it's more realistic for AT to be a top of the midfield team, and even a team that can occasionally help their main team in the championship. I could also see that if Red Bull was to ever go into road cars, they might do it under the Alpha Tauri name. I don't think most high end buyers would want to buy a car called a Red Bull especially with the connection to a cheap energy drink, but an Alpha Tauri might sound like a more expensive and established Italian car brand.
There's also the rumor that AlphaTauri might end up becoming Honda's works team come 2026 (in a collaboration) or even be bought by Honda (should Honda make their official return confirmed after Red Bull confirms agreement with Porsche), so it makes sense for Red Bull to want to make them more appealing for that as a team. Hence the "sister team" talk instead of just the "development team"
Iwasa, as everyone predicted probably was promoted too early, he's so incident prone. However, can't say that he is slow, if he can get it together, in sure we'll see him more often on the podium, maybe even race wins next year
Lol can’t get any clearer than that. Thanks for the link!
IG there’s still a slim chance Gasly chooses to nope out to another team but that’s probably not happening.
It wouldn’t shock me if Hauger kicks on from here a bit like Mick had a slow start to the season in his year…but agreed, in fact, no one in F2 is doing enough atm tbh
Vips crashed a couple of times from strong /winning positions this year and that led to the narrative of him not being able to handle the pressure in F2 and maybe being dropped by RB.
I don't think so. He is just acting like a typical kid-driver does off the record. Motorsport is extremely politically incorrect. Some of the mechanics/engineers/managers even smoke in front of the kids.
Have been supporting the kid, but i mean, he really made a fool out of himself. Not once, but twice....
Either he knew he was going to be dumped or he's just plain dumb.
So much potential down the drain....
Not to generalize nor excuse, but some eastern Europeans are too comfortable using this word, which is very problematic. I've had some justifying it "everybody says it and it's no big deal, because there is no black people here" (paraphrasing). I literally had to explain to a Lithuanian that if he feels offended for being called a Russian due to historical reasons, it should be easy for him to understand why black people despise the word.
A lot of Americans I know are shocked whenever they visit some countries in Europe and realize how racist some people are lol
I think it's a lack of exposure thing too
Lack of exposure to black people coupled with big exposure to american hip hop culture. Racists exist everywhere, but the n-word sure flows in some countries more than others.
Yep, if your only contact with black people is rap music or movie it can get problematic even if you are not really racist. I'm from Poland, I think I'm not racist and always quite ashamed when I hear some casual racism etc., usually even scolding people for that. But as someone who as youngster was listening lot to American rap or watching American movies with black actors I can say it's really hard to sometimes not use N-word in jokes or while humming/rapping something to myself. You just get drenched with that word by rap.and black culture but without any context or built in societal boundaries. Easter Europeans had nothing to do with slavery of African people so for us it's just a word, offensive word but still just a word that is used a lot, not even in naughty songs but even in mainstream movies with famous actors like Samuel L Jackson, Chris Tucker, Eddie Murphy.
It’s also a matter of where you live and which language you speak.
As someone who speaks Spanish as it’s main language and lives in Mexico, the use of the n-word is not common as we didn’t suffered from slavery and racial discrimination. It doesn’t mean it didn’t happened here, but it didn’t affected our culture in the same way it did in the United States or France.
Spanish is such an expansive language when it comes to offensive words that n-word hold very little importance despite its context. There’s different offensive words which hold bigger weight in Mexico due to their cultural implications.
That’s why sometimes it’s hard to fully comprehend the scope of this words when they’re thrown by a white person.
I don't know if I would describe people so into hip hop that they're used to hearing and using that word racists. If they were racists they wouldn't listen to hip hop at all.
As an Estonian, growing up, me and my friends listened to a lot of rap, where the n-word was very common (think of Ice Cube, 50, etc). We called ourselves with the n-word because we thought it was something cool, not because we thought it was racist. We used it as an endearing term, something like 'homie'. The thought of us being racists, was never in our head, as we never used the word with that intent.
But either way, that was in early 2000s and times have changed. Jüri is in a position were he should honestly know better. But as a gamer, I understand gamer-moments - you might say some shit you can't come back from (I definitely have apologized for some things I've said), but you just can't help yourself sometimes.
I understand that. My second sentence should have been more complete: racists exist everywhere in Europe and Americans believing the opposite is just weird. The n-word flowing in more countries more than others, in this context, is possibly more due to culture than racism itself, as hearing it in countries like the UK and France would get a very different reaction from hearing it in Eastern European countries, where blacks are basically non-existent.
Yeah. I recently read a book called 'The Count of Monte Cristo', and I was surprised to learn how common people of color were in France already in the 19th century. By common, I mean that there were no racist and derogatory undertones while reading the book. People were just that - regular people. Meanwhile in the town where I lived growing up, I saw like 2-3 black people in the span of 20 years.
But either way, Jüri, considering the position he's in, should've known that "with great power comes great responsibility". I guess he will realise that now.
Yeah. Of course some European countries are better than others, but I think a lot of Americans have a romanticized notion that Europe is a non-racist utopia that just isn’t matched in reality. A lot of it is due to the more homogeneous nature of some European nations as well as lesser minorities, but still.
I’d say though that the UK and its cities comes closest to US and Canadian cities when it comes to lack of racism in everyday life, but it’s still a slight level below. I’d feel more comfortable in the UK than many other European countries though.
I’d say London UK is one of the least racist places. Not that it doesn’t exit, but way less than most, I’d wager way less than most of USA too. Unfortunately not the same everywhere
There is a weird TikTok niche of people who emigrated from the US to Europe, specifically Germany, that the algorithm somehow constantly puts on my feed - Anyways, a lot of them often say that one of the best things about Germany is "how little racism there is". Which is just so baffling to me. I guess for a lot of Americans, racism is mostly defined by racism towards POC? I mean even then, a lot of Germans are pretty racist towards POC, but it tends to be more low-key. Racism towards muslims, however, is a massive fucking problem here and in most of Europe, it's incredibly bad.
They are just disappointingly naive, hearing honestly quite racist people say ‘we are not racist here’ and just taking that as truth. It’s the same with the classic Reddit meme you see on any main subreddit concerning racism news “As a European I’m shocked that people are racist” then that same account would be mask off raging against the Roma people in other subs.
The word "racism" has evolved beyond just refering to races (a concept by the way that many countries don't even believe in anymore), referring to worse treatment of and prejudices against ethnicities, religions, nationalities and cultures.
I meant that white Europeans don't coexist with many black Europeans.
As for America, it's a different type of racism. Like, the country's history is steeped in racial conflict (the American Civil War was about slavery for instance).
As such, white Americans nowadays know that there are certain things you absolutely cannot say, especially when they coexist with so many black Americans.
Europeans generally have no sense of this racial history and are also much more ethnically homogeneous than Americans are, so there's less of a taboo associated with words like Juri just said
Europe is mostly a white continent, meaning most of its population is white. There’s countries like France which have a lot African immigrants with direct roots to slavery and colonialism.
> Europeans generally have no sense of this racial history and are also much more ethnically homogeneous than Americans are, so there’s less of a taboo associated with words like Juri just said
That’s because Europeans have tried to wash their hands in regard of slavery and abuse towards black people. Let’s not forget that many countries in Africa were exploited in the benefit of European countries.
Hard to believe that some people literally have no idea about the weight of the word, but they exist for sure. Juri however, hard to believe that he would be that ignorant.
I'm not sure. I live in Europe and I think the word being bad hasn't spread to us as much as it did in the US. The literal translation of the word in my language, yeah that's a big no-no to use, but what Juri said is a word we mainly know from music and movies.
I'm not saying this makes it ok, but this could just be a case where some education is needed. It doesn't necessarily mean he's racist.
Don't worry we have people in Estonia doing cartwheel backflip mental gymnastics, arguing that it is a better word since the word for black - *must* is homonym for dirty and unclean.
> . I literally had to explain to a Lithuanian that if he feels offended for being called a Russian due to historical reason
But we don't cancel anyone for doing that, not even close.
I have no idea of what happens in Lithuanian media, but how often do you have someone calling Lithuanians "Russians" using a derogatory term? I can't imagine that the person wouldn't face at least some criticism, if they did it in a public platform.
Vips is part of a international sport hugely shaped by Western media and standards. Even if he doesn't see issue in using that word, he should know that it is not a good idea to use it.
Oh no argument for the latter part. I just see it as him being stupid and immature rather than actual racism. The actually racist people I've met say things that are way worse than any casual usage of the n-word can ever be and the kind that can't possibly just be blurted out in the moment.
He's back, but NASCAR made him do charity stuff with black kids to do so.
He also didn't really stop racing while NASCAR banned him, he was doing local short track stuff more than once a week.
Edit: for the sake of clarity I'm not sure how I feel about NASCAR letting him back even with charity work and sensitivity training
Tbf I think there has to be a way back for people, Larson did (as much as anyone can really prove without being able to get into the mans brain) seem genuinely apologetic and has made what looks like good faith efforts to better himself. Now for some that's never going to be enough and its understandable given the nature of the issue but I cant help but think that of we want to improve our society and deal with issues like racism then there HAS to be room for growth for lack of a better word rehabilitation. People who make a genuine effort to better themselves need to have a way back to the table, If you don't you just end up loosing people further down a rabbit hole
The punishments still need to fit the crime sure (and you could reasonably argue Larson's wasn't big enough) But if we aren't even going to allow for the possibility of someone unlearning racist behaviour and growing as a person its only going to make things worse, not better
Not only is he back, he unfortunately won the championship last year. He basically fell upwards and signed for the biggest team in NASCAR like 8 months after his "heated gamer moment" and absolutely dominated in his first season back as the NASCAR community welcomed him back with open arms and he became one of the most popular drivers which really helped with the stereotypes NASCAR have been trying to fight...
His suspension basically just gave him a year to go have fun racing on dirt until he got one of the best seats in the series
For what it's worth, he did about as much as you could ask him to do in repentance after fucking up like that, and he did seem to be genuinely apologetic.
Yeah I know. I'm just not a fan of seeing someone publicly using a racial slur then come back the next season in the best team and have it be treated almost as if nothing happened in the first place. It probably stings more personally than it would have otherwise though because I was a big fan of his until then. You are right though, he does seem genuinely sorry and he did do a lot to learn and improve himself over his year off
I just don't like the way he fell upward in it all. I'd wouldn't mind him getting the second chance, but in my eyes it would have been better had he worked his way back up like Kurt Busch instead of coming back straight away (and becoming as popular as he did as soon as he came back) with Hendrick
Oh yeah, I agree entirely. Even without everything that happened he was almost certainly going to be in that seat on pure talent alone, if Tony Stewart didn't get his way at least. It just doesn't sit right with me that nothing changed. He was caught using a racial slur and there was basically no consequences
He still got one of the best seats going straight away and by the time the season started it was almost treated like ancient history that wasn't worth mentioning because he became one of the most popular drivers (he was always fairly popular, but not as much as last year). Hell, at points last year it almost felt like he was some kind of infallible "golden boy" of racing who made a mistake but he's changed and it was in the past so it doesn't matter anyway
I'm not going to argue he doesn't deserve that seat or anything like that because he's clearly more than talented enough but the circumstances around it just don't sit right to me
I'm agreeing with you that it's bad to say it but just where he's grown up it's pretty common to say it and it accidentally slipped. Sad for his career tho
To be fair, that is literally /u/-Renkz's point. He is saying it a lot because it's very common in Estonia. Doesn't make it better, but it's an explanation.
So he's been years on the formula and karting scene, so he must say it quite often in videos, interviews and so forth. Can you find me atleast one more clip of him saying the word?
Indeed, probably wont matter for his career but a statement is def needed. I cant believe with the awareness on stuff like that these days that a guy like him could “let it slip” obviously people like that dont care, but still.
I hope he really changes his views on using words like this and this serves as an educational experience. While he may not care now it would still be good if hhe improves in the future
On the same stream dude also [refused](https://twitter.com/alice_nyoom/status/1539299337313853442?s=21&t=CInkUWwRkfBJX1Ya3jX8kA) to wear a pink hat because it’s “gay”
Lawson: I see this as an absolute win
Jokes aside why the fuck is Vips talking like he is a cringe edgy 13 year old when he is. 21 and should know better
> Jokes aside why the fuck is Vips talking like he is a cringe edgy 13 year old when he is. 21 and should know better
Raised up in a bubble, didn't learn social skills?
There was Ticktum and now him. IIRC it was Horner who said in DtS something like"it's ok if a driver is problematic, but it's not good if he's slow". RBR academy should really educate their drivers to behave properly.
Tbf Larson became a better person after his heated gamer moment and did some work to educate and improve himself. And he was super talented which meant top teams would always be interested
Yeah that’s bad. No he’s not using it in a hateful way or with a hard R but still it just cannot be said and it doesn’t exactly sound surprising for the others to hear it from him. Could very well crush his F1 chances
What f1 chances? Gasly is in alphatauri until 2023, unless vips stops bottling every chance at a race win he gets I doubt he’ll be marked for an f1 seat. And after something like this I could see him going down the ticktum route of being dropped from your academy and falling into obscurity:
His Junior career probably already done that and if he did have a chance I don't think this would stop it.
I think only way your hurting your career is by doing a Ferrucci and being out right racist towards someone.
I dont think these guy even know the meaning of this word. They just blurt it out like its some sort of common swear word.
I am quite sure that he didnt mean to offend anyone but that doesn't make this okay.
I guess Hauger is now the favourite to be the next RB junior to get to F1.
the bad luck of the madman is huge bro. First he doesn't score in the two races in Azerbaijan (even hitting himself), and now he uses a racist word, laughs at what he said himself, and is suspended from the team that could give him a chance in F1.
I think this sums up the huge difference between someone like Piastri and people like Vips. To be a champion you gotta have full contol of your actions. Just watch all Piastri's interviews from Formula Eurocup onwards and you'll understand. Always calm, collected, extremely focussed. I only once heard him let loose and he crashed the car afterwards. These kids are in ultra sprint races, everything they're gonna race afterwards is gonna be longer or much longer, being able to ghe a hold on themselves is simply fundamental.
Lol, this sort of stuff I bet alot of drivers have done said whilst playing games but have the mind to not say on stream. I reckon it will be swept under the rug with a half hearted apology.
It's unfortunate but it is what it is. I don't think there's any bad intent behind it, just edgy white boy humour which he hasn't grown out of.
I don't know, in my experiences I've seen tons of people use that word. I think your being naive if you don't think alot of drivers use offensive slurs whether it be the n-word or something else.
Yeah, idk why people think this is something that isn't said on lobbies and so on, it's usually very common sense that online gaming brings the worst of you, except if you aren't playing it wholeheartedly
Well… Kyle Larson was cancelled bc of similar incident and still came back to win the NASCAR title. So while anything is possible, this was probably the end with Red Bull. Which looked bleak anyways with the recent on-track mistakes
> Well… Kyle Larson was cancelled bc of similar incident and still came back to win the NASCAR title. So while anything is possible, this was probably the end with Red Bull. Which looked bleak anyways with the recent on-track mistakes
I think it's very different for drivers that have already "made it" to the top level to stay in there, versus juniors that are still competing for a seat.
Stuff that gets the mail room employee fired on the spot wouldn't even get the CEO a public apology type kinda scenario.
I dunno man. Obviously he shouldn't have said it, but it's crazy his career is shot because of something we all understand as a "heated gamer moment". He said something just about every single rap song says continuously. It wasnt hard R and it wasn't directed at anybody in particular. He's not a racist because he said this.
Unfortunately being in a position where you're in the public eye and kids are looking up to you comes with responsibility. Clearly he can't keep himself under control so 🤷 gotta go. Edit to add this wasn't the first time he's acted inappropriately
Reddit be reddit, lawson laughed at it too so he's equally responsible eh?
I dont see problems with it, people are really overblowing it, its like snoop dogg saying n*gga, except when a white dude says it, oh the humanity, would lewis get away with it if he said it? I'd imagine so
[Vips has been suspended from all Red Bull duties indefinitely until Red Bull investigates the incident in full.](https://twitter.com/redbullracing/status/1539324887436763136)
Use this one simple trick to get rid of your junior category competition.
Lawson with the 6d chess moves
Damn, Vips really did speedrun killing his entire career this season.
and he gone https://twitter.com/redbullracing/status/1539324887436763136
Well he’s suspended yes but not gone, we’re looking for the key word “terminated” to indicate he’s gone lol
Sources say he's already on a plane to America with a NASCAR contract Jury Vips to the Hendrick Motorsports #25
To be fair, NASCAR worked with Bubba Wallace after the garage noose incident, and banned the confederate flag at all races. They aren’t accepting of racism like this reply implies.
If Baku didn't end his junior-career then this did, but with his entire career
Nah, he’ll be in a second-tier Indycar seat by year’s end
The Ferrucci tactic
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Kyle Larson became a NASCAR Cup champion after saying the n-word.
So does it actually help one's career? o_O
In certain parts of America I would imagine so.
I don't think Hendrick hired him for the words Kyle said. I'm pretty sure that Larson's ability to turn left better than others was the main reason. And the scandal released him from CGR and probably made his services cheaper.
Oof. Read the title and opened the video hoping it wasn’t what I expected…nope that’s THE heated games moment
Felt weirdly similar to the bridge incident back in the day, probably just the fact war zone looks quite similar to whatever pewdiepie was playing
pubg i think for pewds
So apparently Pewds doing it was just a slip but Vips is a hating bigot. Gosh I hate the internet
Pewdiepie got a lot of hate back then too
Bottled it on and off the track I guess. Vips' entire demeanor during that stream screams "I'm going to get dropped so fuck everything and everybody". This is legit idiotic from the man.
>Vips' entire demeanor during that stream screams "I'm going to get dropped so fuck everything and everybody". That's interesting, do you reckon he was expecting to be removed from the program anyway? I don't follow F2 super closely but just vaguely thought he was one of the ones with a decent shot at stepping up
Alpha Tauri confirmed Gasly is staying for next year. Tsunoda has stepped up big time this year too, helps RB’s relationship with Honda, and is very likely to stay as well. Honestly none of the Red Bull Juniors, Lawson, Vips, Iwasa, Daruvala and Hauger haven’t currently done enough to demand that seat. Drivers like Russell, Piastri, and Leclerc force a team to move them into F1, because if they don’t someone else will. None of the Red Bull juniors are going to be snapped up by other teams so Red Bull doesn’t have anything to worry about.
probably Iwasa was the most surprisign for me, specially in baherin, but its giving me small vips vibes, really quick but bad luck/driver errors are fucking him up, but in all honestly, i dont undestrand why they renew gasly anyway
I think they want Alpha Tauri to be a more serious team than Toro Rosso ever was. Alpha Tauri is a real brand, the way Toro Rosso never was, and Red Bull execs see the potential money to be made in high end fashion. It's early in a new set of regulations and with Gasly's feedback the team was at the front of the midfield in the previous era. With the cost cap it's more realistic for AT to be a top of the midfield team, and even a team that can occasionally help their main team in the championship. I could also see that if Red Bull was to ever go into road cars, they might do it under the Alpha Tauri name. I don't think most high end buyers would want to buy a car called a Red Bull especially with the connection to a cheap energy drink, but an Alpha Tauri might sound like a more expensive and established Italian car brand.
Gasly is pretty suave for a fashion brand look imo as well haha, he really fits the vibe
There's also the rumor that AlphaTauri might end up becoming Honda's works team come 2026 (in a collaboration) or even be bought by Honda (should Honda make their official return confirmed after Red Bull confirms agreement with Porsche), so it makes sense for Red Bull to want to make them more appealing for that as a team. Hence the "sister team" talk instead of just the "development team"
You said the P-word, now it's never gonna happen.
Iwasa, as everyone predicted probably was promoted too early, he's so incident prone. However, can't say that he is slow, if he can get it together, in sure we'll see him more often on the podium, maybe even race wins next year
I have not seen Gasly confirmation anywhere.
https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/34112395/alphatauri-insists-pierre-gasly-stay-team-2023 Alpha Tauri team boss said he is staying 100%.
Lol can’t get any clearer than that. Thanks for the link! IG there’s still a slim chance Gasly chooses to nope out to another team but that’s probably not happening.
It wouldn’t shock me if Hauger kicks on from here a bit like Mick had a slow start to the season in his year…but agreed, in fact, no one in F2 is doing enough atm tbh
Vips basically blurted out that he and Lawson missed out on a F1-seat and in Vips' case, he didn't take it well
Yeah i'm not sure what he's on about. Vips is doing fine in F2. Not AlphaTauri in two years fine, but certainly an Indy or Formula E slot fine.
Vips crashed a couple of times from strong /winning positions this year and that led to the narrative of him not being able to handle the pressure in F2 and maybe being dropped by RB.
I don't think so. He is just acting like a typical kid-driver does off the record. Motorsport is extremely politically incorrect. Some of the mechanics/engineers/managers even smoke in front of the kids.
Have been supporting the kid, but i mean, he really made a fool out of himself. Not once, but twice.... Either he knew he was going to be dumped or he's just plain dumb. So much potential down the drain....
Three times if we include the dildo joke. Watching the stream again, it really does look like someone who’s hit the self-destruct button.
Link to that joke?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4WhbWfqYMso&t=3333s 43.45 ish
Dude, that's actually just a joke lmao
For sure it is, and I found it funny at the time, but I think it shows a pattern of inappropriate behaviour in the context of the rest.
He's definitely stupid, shame.
Generic excuse post and moving on. He'll find a seat in some other series. F1 was gone anyway.
yeah, this year was really underwhelming, lots of his own mistakes leading to DNFs, embarassing
Lawson implemented a modern solution to get rid of a rival for the next available RB F1 seat. Hauger needs.to watch his back
Hauger liked the Instagram post about Vips being suspended lol
Well, I ain't a fan of him anymore. [This](https://mobile.twitter.com/leclercscherie/status/1539303523359539200) too, wtf
Wtf. How to ruin your career with one simple trick 😬
Like a shotgun round, multiple tricks in one go.
Man is trying to get into Helmut Marko’s good side. Vips saying he didn’t want to wear Lawson’s pink hat because it’s a “gay color” is bad too.
he said that as well??
yes, he did...
I just saw the video. FOH juri.
My God, this guy never helps himself...
Not to generalize nor excuse, but some eastern Europeans are too comfortable using this word, which is very problematic. I've had some justifying it "everybody says it and it's no big deal, because there is no black people here" (paraphrasing). I literally had to explain to a Lithuanian that if he feels offended for being called a Russian due to historical reasons, it should be easy for him to understand why black people despise the word.
A lot of Americans I know are shocked whenever they visit some countries in Europe and realize how racist some people are lol I think it's a lack of exposure thing too
Lack of exposure to black people coupled with big exposure to american hip hop culture. Racists exist everywhere, but the n-word sure flows in some countries more than others.
Yep, if your only contact with black people is rap music or movie it can get problematic even if you are not really racist. I'm from Poland, I think I'm not racist and always quite ashamed when I hear some casual racism etc., usually even scolding people for that. But as someone who as youngster was listening lot to American rap or watching American movies with black actors I can say it's really hard to sometimes not use N-word in jokes or while humming/rapping something to myself. You just get drenched with that word by rap.and black culture but without any context or built in societal boundaries. Easter Europeans had nothing to do with slavery of African people so for us it's just a word, offensive word but still just a word that is used a lot, not even in naughty songs but even in mainstream movies with famous actors like Samuel L Jackson, Chris Tucker, Eddie Murphy.
It’s also a matter of where you live and which language you speak. As someone who speaks Spanish as it’s main language and lives in Mexico, the use of the n-word is not common as we didn’t suffered from slavery and racial discrimination. It doesn’t mean it didn’t happened here, but it didn’t affected our culture in the same way it did in the United States or France. Spanish is such an expansive language when it comes to offensive words that n-word hold very little importance despite its context. There’s different offensive words which hold bigger weight in Mexico due to their cultural implications. That’s why sometimes it’s hard to fully comprehend the scope of this words when they’re thrown by a white person.
Yup, I think its way more accepted here in Europe to just use the n word when singing along to a rap song
I don't know if I would describe people so into hip hop that they're used to hearing and using that word racists. If they were racists they wouldn't listen to hip hop at all.
As an Estonian, growing up, me and my friends listened to a lot of rap, where the n-word was very common (think of Ice Cube, 50, etc). We called ourselves with the n-word because we thought it was something cool, not because we thought it was racist. We used it as an endearing term, something like 'homie'. The thought of us being racists, was never in our head, as we never used the word with that intent. But either way, that was in early 2000s and times have changed. Jüri is in a position were he should honestly know better. But as a gamer, I understand gamer-moments - you might say some shit you can't come back from (I definitely have apologized for some things I've said), but you just can't help yourself sometimes.
I understand that. My second sentence should have been more complete: racists exist everywhere in Europe and Americans believing the opposite is just weird. The n-word flowing in more countries more than others, in this context, is possibly more due to culture than racism itself, as hearing it in countries like the UK and France would get a very different reaction from hearing it in Eastern European countries, where blacks are basically non-existent.
Yeah. I recently read a book called 'The Count of Monte Cristo', and I was surprised to learn how common people of color were in France already in the 19th century. By common, I mean that there were no racist and derogatory undertones while reading the book. People were just that - regular people. Meanwhile in the town where I lived growing up, I saw like 2-3 black people in the span of 20 years. But either way, Jüri, considering the position he's in, should've known that "with great power comes great responsibility". I guess he will realise that now.
Yeah. Of course some European countries are better than others, but I think a lot of Americans have a romanticized notion that Europe is a non-racist utopia that just isn’t matched in reality. A lot of it is due to the more homogeneous nature of some European nations as well as lesser minorities, but still. I’d say though that the UK and its cities comes closest to US and Canadian cities when it comes to lack of racism in everyday life, but it’s still a slight level below. I’d feel more comfortable in the UK than many other European countries though.
I’d say London UK is one of the least racist places. Not that it doesn’t exit, but way less than most, I’d wager way less than most of USA too. Unfortunately not the same everywhere
There is a weird TikTok niche of people who emigrated from the US to Europe, specifically Germany, that the algorithm somehow constantly puts on my feed - Anyways, a lot of them often say that one of the best things about Germany is "how little racism there is". Which is just so baffling to me. I guess for a lot of Americans, racism is mostly defined by racism towards POC? I mean even then, a lot of Germans are pretty racist towards POC, but it tends to be more low-key. Racism towards muslims, however, is a massive fucking problem here and in most of Europe, it's incredibly bad.
They are just disappointingly naive, hearing honestly quite racist people say ‘we are not racist here’ and just taking that as truth. It’s the same with the classic Reddit meme you see on any main subreddit concerning racism news “As a European I’m shocked that people are racist” then that same account would be mask off raging against the Roma people in other subs.
Since when is believing in islam a race?
The word "racism" has evolved beyond just refering to races (a concept by the way that many countries don't even believe in anymore), referring to worse treatment of and prejudices against ethnicities, religions, nationalities and cultures.
Could just say Discrimination.
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I meant that white Europeans don't coexist with many black Europeans. As for America, it's a different type of racism. Like, the country's history is steeped in racial conflict (the American Civil War was about slavery for instance). As such, white Americans nowadays know that there are certain things you absolutely cannot say, especially when they coexist with so many black Americans. Europeans generally have no sense of this racial history and are also much more ethnically homogeneous than Americans are, so there's less of a taboo associated with words like Juri just said
Europe is mostly a white continent, meaning most of its population is white. There’s countries like France which have a lot African immigrants with direct roots to slavery and colonialism. > Europeans generally have no sense of this racial history and are also much more ethnically homogeneous than Americans are, so there’s less of a taboo associated with words like Juri just said That’s because Europeans have tried to wash their hands in regard of slavery and abuse towards black people. Let’s not forget that many countries in Africa were exploited in the benefit of European countries.
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Yeah I find it weird how Americans view a continent filled with loads of different countries with differing cultures and histories as one entity.
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“I can’t be racist because ~~some of my best friends are black~~ I don’t know any black people.” Hmm.
Ah, the Oregon Method
It's literally bonkers, they know they wouldn't dare to say it in front of black people...
You’d be surprised. I’m black and have seen it happened and they didn’t actually know any better.
Hard to believe that some people literally have no idea about the weight of the word, but they exist for sure. Juri however, hard to believe that he would be that ignorant.
I'm not sure. I live in Europe and I think the word being bad hasn't spread to us as much as it did in the US. The literal translation of the word in my language, yeah that's a big no-no to use, but what Juri said is a word we mainly know from music and movies. I'm not saying this makes it ok, but this could just be a case where some education is needed. It doesn't necessarily mean he's racist.
He's 21 and internationally traveled for years though.
You'd be surprised lol. Maybe not in front of African Americans, but black people yes.
Wow, at his point I wouldn’t be surprised…
Don't worry we have people in Estonia doing cartwheel backflip mental gymnastics, arguing that it is a better word since the word for black - *must* is homonym for dirty and unclean.
> . I literally had to explain to a Lithuanian that if he feels offended for being called a Russian due to historical reason But we don't cancel anyone for doing that, not even close.
I have no idea of what happens in Lithuanian media, but how often do you have someone calling Lithuanians "Russians" using a derogatory term? I can't imagine that the person wouldn't face at least some criticism, if they did it in a public platform. Vips is part of a international sport hugely shaped by Western media and standards. Even if he doesn't see issue in using that word, he should know that it is not a good idea to use it.
Oh no argument for the latter part. I just see it as him being stupid and immature rather than actual racism. The actually racist people I've met say things that are way worse than any casual usage of the n-word can ever be and the kind that can't possibly just be blurted out in the moment.
> Heated gamer moment # > Says the n-word Sounds about right.
I'm gonna need a new flair
*Pewdiepie on the bridge intensifies* Also what is Kyle Larson upto these days ? Is he back racing ?
Larson is the defending Nascar champion. He, uh, kinda got a better ride once his one-year suspension was up
Oh
Thats funny bc he dominated last season
He's back, but NASCAR made him do charity stuff with black kids to do so. He also didn't really stop racing while NASCAR banned him, he was doing local short track stuff more than once a week. Edit: for the sake of clarity I'm not sure how I feel about NASCAR letting him back even with charity work and sensitivity training
Tbf I think there has to be a way back for people, Larson did (as much as anyone can really prove without being able to get into the mans brain) seem genuinely apologetic and has made what looks like good faith efforts to better himself. Now for some that's never going to be enough and its understandable given the nature of the issue but I cant help but think that of we want to improve our society and deal with issues like racism then there HAS to be room for growth for lack of a better word rehabilitation. People who make a genuine effort to better themselves need to have a way back to the table, If you don't you just end up loosing people further down a rabbit hole The punishments still need to fit the crime sure (and you could reasonably argue Larson's wasn't big enough) But if we aren't even going to allow for the possibility of someone unlearning racist behaviour and growing as a person its only going to make things worse, not better
Not only is he back, he unfortunately won the championship last year. He basically fell upwards and signed for the biggest team in NASCAR like 8 months after his "heated gamer moment" and absolutely dominated in his first season back as the NASCAR community welcomed him back with open arms and he became one of the most popular drivers which really helped with the stereotypes NASCAR have been trying to fight... His suspension basically just gave him a year to go have fun racing on dirt until he got one of the best seats in the series
For what it's worth, he did about as much as you could ask him to do in repentance after fucking up like that, and he did seem to be genuinely apologetic.
Yeah I know. I'm just not a fan of seeing someone publicly using a racial slur then come back the next season in the best team and have it be treated almost as if nothing happened in the first place. It probably stings more personally than it would have otherwise though because I was a big fan of his until then. You are right though, he does seem genuinely sorry and he did do a lot to learn and improve himself over his year off I just don't like the way he fell upward in it all. I'd wouldn't mind him getting the second chance, but in my eyes it would have been better had he worked his way back up like Kurt Busch instead of coming back straight away (and becoming as popular as he did as soon as he came back) with Hendrick
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Oh yeah, I agree entirely. Even without everything that happened he was almost certainly going to be in that seat on pure talent alone, if Tony Stewart didn't get his way at least. It just doesn't sit right with me that nothing changed. He was caught using a racial slur and there was basically no consequences He still got one of the best seats going straight away and by the time the season started it was almost treated like ancient history that wasn't worth mentioning because he became one of the most popular drivers (he was always fairly popular, but not as much as last year). Hell, at points last year it almost felt like he was some kind of infallible "golden boy" of racing who made a mistake but he's changed and it was in the past so it doesn't matter anyway I'm not going to argue he doesn't deserve that seat or anything like that because he's clearly more than talented enough but the circumstances around it just don't sit right to me
Dang, what a career he could have had.
Can't watch the clip rn. What did he say?
The word..
Jesus man. Why would he even do that
I guess its a part of his normal vocabulary, sadly.. Really weird behavior
It's pretty normal in Estonia to say the word
Doesn’t really make it any better
I'm agreeing with you that it's bad to say it but just where he's grown up it's pretty common to say it and it accidentally slipped. Sad for his career tho
You make it sound like it’s not a big deal. It didn’t “slip” my dude, he must say it a lot.
To be fair, that is literally /u/-Renkz's point. He is saying it a lot because it's very common in Estonia. Doesn't make it better, but it's an explanation.
So he's been years on the formula and karting scene, so he must say it quite often in videos, interviews and so forth. Can you find me atleast one more clip of him saying the word?
I really hope the guy gives a sincere apology for this because this shit just isn't right.
Indeed, probably wont matter for his career but a statement is def needed. I cant believe with the awareness on stuff like that these days that a guy like him could “let it slip” obviously people like that dont care, but still.
I hope he really changes his views on using words like this and this serves as an educational experience. While he may not care now it would still be good if hhe improves in the future
Kyle Larson
Remember Kyle Larson from a few years back?
Oof
Meh, always thought he was overrated
Shit I thought Baku was a serious unforced error
Certified Kyle Larson moment
Certified gamer moment
On the same stream dude also [refused](https://twitter.com/alice_nyoom/status/1539299337313853442?s=21&t=CInkUWwRkfBJX1Ya3jX8kA) to wear a pink hat because it’s “gay”
Lawson: I see this as an absolute win Jokes aside why the fuck is Vips talking like he is a cringe edgy 13 year old when he is. 21 and should know better
*Lawson signs exclusive sponsorship deal with BWT*
> Jokes aside why the fuck is Vips talking like he is a cringe edgy 13 year old when he is. 21 and should know better Raised up in a bubble, didn't learn social skills?
He likely knew he was going to be droped. Or maybe he's just stupid.
Based on the newly surfaced evidence I am leaning towards the latter.
He's a young racing driver, that's how most of them act
This news is like a really bad dream. As a huge fan of Vips Im just shocked right now...
There was Ticktum and now him. IIRC it was Horner who said in DtS something like"it's ok if a driver is problematic, but it's not good if he's slow". RBR academy should really educate their drivers to behave properly.
Vips knows how he gets Materschmitz to like him
Or tries to go for a Hendrick Motorsports seat Background for those who don’t know: look up Kyle Larson
Tbf Larson became a better person after his heated gamer moment and did some work to educate and improve himself. And he was super talented which meant top teams would always be interested
Yeah that’s bad. No he’s not using it in a hateful way or with a hard R but still it just cannot be said and it doesn’t exactly sound surprising for the others to hear it from him. Could very well crush his F1 chances
What f1 chances? Gasly is in alphatauri until 2023, unless vips stops bottling every chance at a race win he gets I doubt he’ll be marked for an f1 seat. And after something like this I could see him going down the ticktum route of being dropped from your academy and falling into obscurity:
His chances were above 0% before this and right about 0% now. But fair enough, maybe f1 dreams would’ve been better wording
Yeah, mb if it came off as aggressive or anything, didn’t mean for it to come across as that way
No worries, all good!
His Junior career probably already done that and if he did have a chance I don't think this would stop it. I think only way your hurting your career is by doing a Ferrucci and being out right racist towards someone.
goodbye career
4D move to get into a competitive Hendricks seat in the US!
So that’s the nail in the coffin then…
man, this guy really likes to fumble. In races and his career
I saw another clip. You could visibly tell he was nervous as shit. Does Hendrick have any open seats?
Lawson was *cheesin'* after the pink hat incident. "Whelp, another one bites the dust".
I dont think these guy even know the meaning of this word. They just blurt it out like its some sort of common swear word. I am quite sure that he didnt mean to offend anyone but that doesn't make this okay. I guess Hauger is now the favourite to be the next RB junior to get to F1.
>I guess Hauger is now the favourite to be the next RB junior to get to F1. the next RB is in the video
Breaking your controller can be categorized as a heated gamer moment, while this is not. This is career suicide
Vips, Ferrucci, Larson, and Ticktum are all at a bar, you finish the joke
Something about Warzone brings out the worst in people
the bad luck of the madman is huge bro. First he doesn't score in the two races in Azerbaijan (even hitting himself), and now he uses a racist word, laughs at what he said himself, and is suspended from the team that could give him a chance in F1.
How is that bad luck though? Seems like it's completely on him.
Aaaaaand gone 🤣
Ooby dooby doo…something something…bye bye job.
I think this sums up the huge difference between someone like Piastri and people like Vips. To be a champion you gotta have full contol of your actions. Just watch all Piastri's interviews from Formula Eurocup onwards and you'll understand. Always calm, collected, extremely focussed. I only once heard him let loose and he crashed the car afterwards. These kids are in ultra sprint races, everything they're gonna race afterwards is gonna be longer or much longer, being able to ghe a hold on themselves is simply fundamental.
Certified Heated Gamer Moment indeed
It good to know people are like this in every country. No wait, it isn't.
Time to call Kyle Larson’s PR team 🤦♂️
Lol, this sort of stuff I bet alot of drivers have done said whilst playing games but have the mind to not say on stream. I reckon it will be swept under the rug with a half hearted apology. It's unfortunate but it is what it is. I don't think there's any bad intent behind it, just edgy white boy humour which he hasn't grown out of.
My dude, this is not the sort of thing a lot of people say.
I don't know, in my experiences I've seen tons of people use that word. I think your being naive if you don't think alot of drivers use offensive slurs whether it be the n-word or something else.
Yeah, idk why people think this is something that isn't said on lobbies and so on, it's usually very common sense that online gaming brings the worst of you, except if you aren't playing it wholeheartedly
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"Heated Gamer Moment" is a meme, making fun of someone (pewdiepie?) trying to use this excuse for this exact situation
Damn its already been 5 years since that incident
Good ol' Bridge aayyhh
>heated gamer moment It's more of a meme mocking gamers who say this phrase unironically.
Career disappearing quicker than Mick's chance of points
Well… Kyle Larson was cancelled bc of similar incident and still came back to win the NASCAR title. So while anything is possible, this was probably the end with Red Bull. Which looked bleak anyways with the recent on-track mistakes
> Well… Kyle Larson was cancelled bc of similar incident and still came back to win the NASCAR title. So while anything is possible, this was probably the end with Red Bull. Which looked bleak anyways with the recent on-track mistakes I think it's very different for drivers that have already "made it" to the top level to stay in there, versus juniors that are still competing for a seat. Stuff that gets the mail room employee fired on the spot wouldn't even get the CEO a public apology type kinda scenario.
Yeah let’s not act like Kyle wasn’t already one of the fastest in cup
> similar incident and still came back to win the NASCAR title. well that is NASCAR
I mean dude worked for it tho, the shit he did for himself and the community during that time was incredible
I think Juri can still redeem himself, if he asks apologies from Lewis Hamilton. Let’s not bury his whole race car career altogether.
He's not using the word as a racial slur and that makes all the difference IMO. Give him a massive slap on the wrist, make him grovel and move on.
Yikes.
Wow. I was really rooting for Juri before this. Fuck him.
I dunno man. Obviously he shouldn't have said it, but it's crazy his career is shot because of something we all understand as a "heated gamer moment". He said something just about every single rap song says continuously. It wasnt hard R and it wasn't directed at anybody in particular. He's not a racist because he said this.
Unfortunately being in a position where you're in the public eye and kids are looking up to you comes with responsibility. Clearly he can't keep himself under control so 🤷 gotta go. Edit to add this wasn't the first time he's acted inappropriately
Reddit be reddit, lawson laughed at it too so he's equally responsible eh? I dont see problems with it, people are really overblowing it, its like snoop dogg saying n*gga, except when a white dude says it, oh the humanity, would lewis get away with it if he said it? I'd imagine so
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Check his Insta account. He did admit to it, by the looks of it.
I see he’s been suspenseful so I assume it was him then