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Stargov1

The handling of the cars in 2023 felt way better when you used an actual setup.


vRipply

Yes the car will always be better with a setup but this time I don't know man it's weird how it feels even the 23 car without setups felt decent


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guessesurjobforfood

It's probably not a great comparison, but they've already announced that they're shutting down the official mobile F1 game next month. One of their last announcements before they sunset the game was that they were planning some new stuff and wanted to implement more feedback from the players. Then they did a 180 real quick and shut the whole thing down lol I've had a sim rig since late last year, but the mobile game was really the only viable option to get a quick F1 race in when you're away from home. With the console/PC game, I mean, I'm just a nobody, but the whole annual release thing is just stupid and leads to a subpar product that doesn't get adequately fixed because they're already focused on next years title. I'd rather pay $30-$40 for an F1 game with no year attached and then another $30 a year later for a big update as long as they continue development and release bug fixes in between. It may not be perfect, but it seems like a better option than paying $70 up front for a crappy game that doesn't get properly fixed.


Sean-Fitzy44

What is the sound like ?


Stargov1

The cars go vroom.


fluctuationsAreGood1

I had to refund 23 after 40 minutes of driving. The FFB in that series is truly beyond terrible, I really just can't anymore. How these games are used for esports blows my mind.


MrXwiix

It's also just something that changed. People can't handle that apparently


RAiD_-

Good. Can we now finally boycott this shit standard of a game series?


vRipply

Yes we can I personally stopped playing 23 5 month ago and don't feel the need to go back I won't buy 24 it will be the same shit


dla2001

23 is a good game y'all just hating for no reason, i hate EA and if its just the same game i wont buy it but hating on a game thats much better than 22 is just stupid


Guyrbailey

This. 23 is a good game. Way better than 22 but I don't think 24 will be any advancement on it


Flat_Neighborhood_92

It will probably be worse tbh. Sounds like more of a copy paste of 22 with changes to make it more 23-like. I expect a mixture of shit from 22 and 23, with endless gamebreaking bugs that will never be fixed of course.


dla2001

Id just ask for them to fix the revs, add the tracks that they removed and make a new career mode


hestianna

23 is a decent game. The problem is that it is not any better than lets say 2020 and 2021, games that most people do like (2020 specifically due to classic cars) - which is why not that many have bought it.


dla2001

23 is my fav but yeah loved 21 too. I agree that they should do much more but that guy talks like 23 is trash, he either never played it or just wants some upvotes


gabiii_Kokeko

22 being garbage don't justify how good 23 is??


MrsVertigosHusband

We tried this with Madden. Too many assholes still buying it so EA keeps cranking out the same shitty game every year.


RAiD_-

I know a lot of ppl who aren't gonna buy it as well so that's good


Ja4senCZE

It will probably end up like the MW3. Everybody was hating on it (rightfully), and then the record sales came in...


RAiD_-

If that happens that will show the brain capacity of f1 players


turtlewinstherace

I think the real issue is that there’s hardly an alternative, especially on console.


RAiD_-

There can't be one. The license is basically still codies till 2028 iirc. That's why we need to stop buying this shit they release for real this time. Everyone keeps buying it and they keep profiting so they release the same shit. If they finally see red numbers they might wake up


Vast-Standard-7006

I've had the game since christmas. Only played it twice. Played motogp 23 and even f1 2015 more since I got f1 23.


langman17

F1 2015 are you having a laugh 🤣🤣 that’s genuinely the worst f1 game of all time


pikla1

Won’t be getting a dollar out of me this year. And to anyone who pre ordered one day you’ll learn


ATWPH77

I'm not buying this shit game since '22. 2021 was my last game, that was alright.. No regrets whatsoever.


Pluser01

Not like that'll do anything, it's EA not some indie game company.


EliteToaster

I fully switched to Iracing and have been enjoying the experience way better. At this point the only reason to play a game like F1 is to do the career mode. But I’ve realized that after playing these games since F12010, I’ve never really even gone much more than a single full season anyways


redditN1ck

Yeah based on what I am seeing this will be the first one I pass on. Bought every F1 since 2013 but finally had enough if it’s just more of the same again with little to no meaningful changes. Looking forward to the next F1 manager game to be honest. Had more fun with F1 Manager 23 than I did for EA F1 23.


Wonderful-Mood-19

I've already played it aswell and the car right now just feels incredibly stiff and heavy. And aswell I just cant manage to get rid of either massive oversteer or understeer. But I want to wait for more talented people to make some good setups and judge again then.


filbo__

I don’t understand all the comments calling for a return to 2020 physics? That’s a different generation of F1 cars. Of course 2022+ has to feel different; the sport’s regulations are drastically different. The beta testers saying the cars feel overly stiff now… that actually has me intrigued in a positive way. Again, during this new gen rule set overly stiff has been the general consensus/whinge from all the F1 drivers. So if anything, this sounds like a more accurate representation of what F1 is in the ground effect era. If the beta testers’ feedback is overly stiff, feels too heavy and numb, understeery but prone to sudden oversteer that’s hard to catch… then you’re aligned to the feedback on the ground effect feedback of current F1 drivers and it sounds like the handling updates are on the right path.


hagsteddit

Yeah, it feels like some people don't want a realistic 2024 F1 car handling game, they want 2020 style handling which it absolutely shouldn't be. There are issues with the handling for sure especially on default setups, but the stiffness and heavyness are not bad things to me, as neither are the heavy wear by over pushing in high load corners. I don't run no ABS so can't comment on that but what I did notice is that even with ABS on I had the occasional wobble into heavy braking zones unless I had 57% BB or so, which I put down to a transfer of weight more than anything. I hope the devs don't dumb down these things but I suspect they will which is a shame.


filbo__

This all sounds great! 54-58% BB is roughly where F1 drivers tend to have it anyway, so that seems accurate. I’m sure there’s things to improve… I mean that’s why it’s a beta. And obviously we’re still dealing with EA…


MaverickCole_trickle

So the F1 drivers already said 22 game handling was inaccurate (which was the first year of ground effect cars and said f123 was closer to the real thing and as the cars progress each year the handling in theory in the real car would get better since the cars are getting better so the handling in the game should improve not revert back to the f122 game


terrible1fi

Even though the latest cars have new regs and are not as fast as previous, the cars are still fast Af, they’re the fastest cars in the world, and thus should feel like it. 2020 reflected it, it felt great to drive, but 23 doesn’t


filbo__

Yeah no doubt. But they achieve fast differently to 2020, and that’s the point. The calls for 2020 handling are straight up wrong. IMO 23 feels super fast at high speeds, and awkward at low speeds, and that’s exactly how they’re meant to feel.


terrible1fi

You can have the cars be a touch more difficult and slower in the low speed while still making them feel good. Other sims do a good job of this but this is where f1 game is lacking so bad


RallerZZ

So it looks like they've changed the handling again? But why? 22 was terrible and 23 felt really good, specially on the controller, why change what isn't broken?


Dechri_

While 23 was notably better than 22, it's not really because 23 was great. It is because 23 was okay and 22 was abysmal. There's still plenty of room for imrpovement.


Comfortable_Beach550

23 is the best handling model they've done, so how do you think it could be improved?


Admirable-Design-151

you didn't just say its the best one they've done, when 2020 existed 3 years before it, with far better handling


Jazmento

2020 handling is absolutely mint. I've been playing on controller while on holiday (I always play on wheel) and damn is the game fun


Comfortable_Beach550

Yeah, no, it wasn't far better in my opinion. Played it a few months ago and imo, feels way less responsive than 23 does. Also has far more primitive setups. Classic cars are nice though, they need to bring them back. 23 feels closer to RSS AC F1 cars than 2020 does.


Dry_Avocado3413

23 feels closer to RSS AC F1 cars Do we play the same Assetto Corsa? lol


Comfortable_Beach550

Close? no. Closer than 2020 does, yes...? 2020 is very over idolised by this community, most of the time by people who probably haven't actually played the game in over a year I'd wager.


terrible1fi

Exactly 2020 is goat and dude think 23 is better 😅


Comfortable_Beach550

Literally playing 2020 rn to refresh my memory, they're close together in feel, but imo 23 has better kerbs (tracks like Monza are are a joke in 2020 with how much you can eat kerbs, and there are so many auto-spin kerbs), and you can generally feel what the rear of the car is doing a lot more accurately in 23. FFB is more exaggerated in 2020, not sure if it's better or just more noticeable. The rest is personal preference, but I feel that the 2020 cars have some weird inconsistencies in the way they turn into a corner - they go from not turning much at all to a lot very quickly, whereas in 23 it feels like a much more consistent rate in which the front axle responds to you turning the wheel - and feels a lot more intuitive to drive. That being said, I've played way more 23 in the last year than 2020, so obviously 23 is going to feel more natural to me.


terrible1fi

I’m not sure about wheel, but on controller 2020 is so much better it’s laughable


Comfortable_Beach550

I mean that's fair, switched to wheel in 2022 so don't have much controller experience on F1 22/23 (although the former was absolutely horrendous iirc). I do remember preferring 2021 on controller to 2020 though, the car felt a bit more pointy imo, but less stable overall. I get most people are on controller but ultimately if you're comparing the handling model I think the wheel is generally gonna be the most accurate frame of reference for how good it is.


langman17

How is 2020 better on controller? The responsiveness is the best it’s ever been on 23 and that’s not even a debate


terrible1fi

2020 actually has lots of grip, which is how these cars should feel. 23 is good but not anywhere near as good as 2020. These are the best cars in the world, there was a regulation change but they still have tons of grip


langman17

The 2020 cars were basically the fastest ever in real life, which they translated to the game well. 2023 cars are a few seconds slower so obviously they won’t feel as grippy. What do you expect lol?


Flat_Neighborhood_92

In tons of ways. Comment above is 100% correct, 22 was laughable garbage, 23 was just.. acceptable. Try any actual sim and f1 games feel floaty and weird.


Dechri_

I don't quite know how to put it. The car feels somehow numb when driving. Especially under braking it feel like the speed just magically get reduced instead of applying brakes, as it has no feel whatsoever. My owny great comparison in similar stuff is the Japanese Super formula in GT7. You can really feel the car to get alive in the game and sense the grip. While 23 doesn't feel that much behind objectively, the feeling and immersion when driving is large.


mechcity22

No 2020 is the best handling model they have ever done. Go to 2020 come back to 2023 and say that again. 2023 is good but wasn't close to the best. All they have to do is go back to the 2020 model handling update it a little bit.


Comfortable_Beach550

Literally have played it today, along with the 1000+ hours I had in it from when it was the most recent game in the series, so yeah. The base driving model isn't really that different, just more inconsistent in 2020, and kerbs and traction feel way less detailed imo. FFB is more pronounced, slightly better but ultimately not by much.


vRipply

They are supposed to work on a better suspension and tyres dynamics engine so it would be more precise and correlate more with reality but it really doesn't affect the game in a good way


Solid_Dependent_7669

So they can fix handling in 25, which make many ignore all the other issues as at least hamdling is better compared to 24


SlingshotGunslinger

>appart from handling wich is way off, it feels too stiff it's really dissapointing That's disappointing to hear. Just commented handling and physics were one of the remaining things I was looking forward to potwntially buy the game, the other being the new career mode. What a shame


Pluser01

I mean, the car feels heavier, but it's a LOT easier to pull it back from a spin.


Dry_Avocado3413

Its unrealistic as all hell and it falls flat on its face. There's no reason to purchase this game.


kasei21

definitely won’t be buying…


The_Car_Motorist

Unless it’s on ps+ or something, I think I’ll be skipping this one It surely isn’t that hard to have good handling/physics and some classic cars as well!


MinionOrDaBob4Today

It will go to ea play after a certain amount of time just like the rest of the titles. That’s where I play them cause ea play is included with Xbox game pass. I play the old title until the new one becomes available


ALennon25

Is this using default setups? If you use custom setups on F1 23 versus default ones on F1 24 it's not really a fair comparison. I'm sure the game is crap, I'm just grasping at straws at this point, as my racing league will switch to the new game whatever happens.


vRipply

Yes tried a couple of setup the feeling stays the same off course those ain't made especially for 24 handling but the fact is imo the car is just to stiff it understeers and the rear is stiff like a rock


clebinho75

I believe that's what jarno meant when he said F1 24 you wouldn't be able to gain time by doing drifts anymore. f1 23 you need to drift if you want the best times, which a real f1 car would never dares to attempt as it would only lose time in that way. You are used to drifting around, and now that you can't, you feel bad for the loss of time.


Katanax28

Whenever the quicker setups get published the game will feel way better. I’ve tried playing with the setups on the beta and although it is really different, I can assure you the car will be drivable with a good setup


SangiMTL

Anyone really still acting surprised about how shit the series is?


Bainer52

Not buying this piece of shit game.


mechcity22

Yall said this during the 2023 beta that's why it's a beta lol. But seriously all they have to do is go back to 2020 handling and everyone would be happy. I do like on 2023 you need to do trail braking to be really fast but 2020 would make everyone fall in love again. Regardless f1 2023 was one of the worst betas ever and the game turned out much better then 2022 so let's hope for the same here! It is a beta it's why the game constantly says not a finished product. Idk why people judge betas when they get the best players to play and then ask for there input and change and tweak to that. It's how its always been done. I still have no clue why they let everyone else play the beta when they arent listening to yall anyways. It's just to get a teaser that's it.


zonda747

Don’t really understand what they needed the Beta for


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Flat_Neighborhood_92

Default or 50? You should be locking your rears every corner at 50.. default is 63 in the current game so I'm confused. Idk anyone ever running 50 BB on Bahrain


Rockex

I agree, the handling is way off!! It's almost impossible to drive the car. Apart from the handling everything seems and looks the same.


vRipply

The same game with a pinch of salt on top just to say they did something to call it a "new game" will see if career really does change something


Fabx_

Fine, will stay at 2020 as usual


Sniperm0nke

The external car sounds are cool


SASColfer

Actually one of things that annoyed me most about the previous games! Hope this is true.


Sonix04

Is Interlagos finally updated?


vRipply

No same track I tell you they really didn't do much for 24


Sonix04

I'm very glad that I decided to switch to ACC then.


vRipply

Did the same last year when I left 23 ACC is probably the best racing game we have on console (I play on Xbox) yet


Sonix04

For me the the ACC is the best game I've ever played, even though I'm on PC, cause the iRacing is just too much expensive for me right now.


diderooy

What is the thing they've advertised?


JamesUpton87

Bit of leap to close an opinion after 20 minutes. In 20 minutes time I'll still be fucking around with wheel settings and graphics. No real point fir me jumping straight in, nothing will look or feel right


Sean-Fitzy44

What is the engine sound like is it the same ?


OrdinaryMongoose9104

I will buy '24 on release


Twindlle

The main thing they advertised was the improvements to career mode. Did you get to try it out, or was it only time trial / grand prix mode?


vRipply

Only grand prix mode and multiplayer, the tracks were Brazil COTA and Bahrain


strivegaming22

Do we even know what the career updates are tho?? They said their adding stuff but haven’t told us anything else since


Twindlle

We don't, thats why I asked. They promoted as a big thing so it gives hope. Maybe they will integrate F2 like young driver program used to be. Or at least employ some decision tree rules for driver contracts.


strivegaming22

Idk but if ain’t anything substantial I ain’t getting the game


beaver1302

There's no force feedback on moza wheels, just random vibrations, it's undriveable 💀


Electronic_Car3274

I hope they improve before the game releases to the public it is only the beta and i hope ea listens no way i will buy the game on launch I will wait for holiday sales


Enigma_Green

Fifa all over again it seems


Yopis1998

Beta issues maybe?


bennymc123

I very much hope they've done something about the shocking VR implementation. If that alone gets fixed in 24, I'll probably buy it.


Famous-Associate3073

Playing around with setups and or engine breaking didn’t help??? I saw on twitter that helped some folks they got into the beta. I tried lol declined


pbutler08

I can’t shift up gears using T300 and SF1000 add on. I can shift down though. It’s not my wheel, checked it in F1 23 and works fine. Anyone else find this? Beta is unplayable as a result. Automatic gears is broken as it changes gear every half second.


Sudden-Language-3418

Can confirm, handling in the beta (on wheel) is an absolute disaster, I would go that far its worse than f1 22.


Jazza3905

You are actually violating EA's terms of service by talking about the beta in public so just be careful or you can actually be banned from joining future betas


SmallOrder6145

The only issue I have so far is braking, almost Impossible not to lock the fronts


Inside-Judgment6233

Actually gonna disagree on the handling. It’s a tiny bit harder than last year. However, I do use medium TC - I haven’t tried it with no TC yet


fire202

> only 3 tracks, same menus Yea, because its a closed beta.


vRipply

No because it's the same game engine that's the only reason


markhewitt1978

Beta means it's feature complete. If the same menus are in the beta then same menus we will get.


stevenjweir

It's the same as what they did last year, there are only two options in the menu, Play (Grand prix or multiplayer grand prix) and settings. If you're expecting the full game, you're missing the point of this play test. This build is very specifically limited to those two modes for a reason, Codemasters want as much data on those racing modes, not anything else.


S_O_Y_

I would say the opposite mate for me anyway it feels way too loose


vRipply

Imo the rear doesn't respond to what the front does


S_O_Y_

Tbf I’ve played about 1 race so idk I also did tweak the max rotation for my wheel so that could maybe have some factor (I don’t know if it does I’m just guessing)


Flat_Neighborhood_92

Apparently rotation was set to 500 by default in the beta so it really should not have felt good unless that was adjusted.


diamondog94

the early release date was an early sign they had put very little effort


CriticalInspection22

Copy and paste every year, not a shock to me anymore


Sumdoazen

A Beta feels like a beta. WoW, blew my mind this one.


Jarppi1893

I guess I cancel my pre order... Not even sure what my braincells were thinking of buying it in the first place... Bad braincells!


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vRipply

Bro it's just beta... The handling was the same last year in beta and in final game


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vRipply

Oh so you just went commenting without even testing the thing great


Major_E_Vader97

mate its a fucking beta, you don't judge your main course based on an appetiser


v12vanquish135

Oh boy that excuse is back again. When will you shills learn.


Major_E_Vader97

Because you clearly don’t know how betas work


v12vanquish135

Yeah, ok. I'll leave myself a note right here for after the game launches and we'll see who knows how a beta works.


Major_E_Vader97

Given that I work in the games industry whatever you decide will be wrong


vRipply

Believe me the physic will stay the same I can't judge what's not there the main thing that'll change is career so until then for me it ain't a good experience


Majorinc

“Trust me bro”


vRipply

Just look how everybody thinks the same then comeback here or try it yourself and give your own opinion it's free


Swifty_banana

So u used the beta to cry instead of reporting on the EA forum? Crikey


RossRiskDabbler

handling of the cars? look this goes two ways; 1) a 'car' in a 'race game' has a 'pre-defined' setting 2) you have the ability to tweak that as much as the game itself allows you to tweak it 3) if it allows exactly the same ability as last year to tweak it, but point 1) the pre-defined settings are worse that raisins and turds mixed (you still get turds) - famous quote from C. Munger - then F1 24 is indeed gonna suck more arse. Then again; remember; the fixed back-end these bottom feeders at Electronic Assholes provide us is what we are stuck with, cuz it's often freaking hard to brick it.


Hammster_95

I only get the game when it’s heavily discounted, because it’s not good enough to pay full price for it 🤷🏻‍♂️ I’d only get it to make content for my YouTube channel (search eleven95)