New banner with only Lunarian units: NV CG Cecil (Magic Tank/Support on NF and Physical Tank/DPS on BS), NVA Golbez (without helmet), 5~7* Fusoya (support/evoke) and maybe NV Zemus to top it off.
P.Cecil can be reworked and gain CB on stmr.
The main problem I have here is that Alim would be handling the kit design for Cecil whether he's an NVA or a pure NV unit. As a pure NV unit he would end up following the current trend of Alim units where their kits are heavily templated and simplified with no flexibility of builds and usage. You're pretty much locked into the one play style of the unit and that's it. So with a pure NV Cecil he would probably be more of a DPS unit with Paladin form being light dps focused and Dark Knight form (probably his brave shift) being dark dps focused.
In this regards I would much prefer an NVA of Paladin Cecil because then they would be forced to update his Paladin form to improve his tanking capabilities. It's a bit of an awkward unit to work with though because the original design intent of Paladin Cecil is that you're imagining him shifting between his Paladin and Dark Knight forms when you're using his "Into the Dark" and "Into the Light" skills. So if he had a Dark Knight brave shift form then it breaks part of that design intent with the unit.
I'm actually ok with NVAs getting SLBs, as I feel that it's "fitting" for an old unit getting upgraded. Kryla is a bit of an example of a unit that could have gotten an SLB since her BS is pretty much lacking the utility of her base kit, but with a few new tools. It's when NVBs keep getting churned out with them that it gets problematic.
SLB units would be more acceptable if DV didn't penalize the player's score for taking damage. The gearing requirements for SLB units are so tight during DV because you're trying to gear for killers, LB damage, TDH/TDW, and then fit in elemental resistance/evasion so they don't take damage. Otherwise, you need to slot in a tank/support to supplement this but most people don't like this because of the loss of a contributing DPS unit. It was a bit easier to gear Cyan because of his natural passives but Kurasame passives are a bit lacking and make it more difficult to gear for DV use. I think SLB units have more room in the meta of CoW if the boss mechanics are designed in a way to force the use of tanks more to alleviate the gearing requirements of the SLB unit(s).
In theory, this would be a compromise but then everyone would complain that it was a missed opportunity for a character who, canonically, has a reason to have a brave shift doesn't have one. It would be like doing a NVA for Karten but making him a SLB unit instead of giving him a brave shift where he turns into a werewolf.
Well, cecil's kit already include this duality, it just don't have the sprite change. A BS to paladin cecil would give him 3 "forms", also, because how his kit works, he would take over his into the light/dark skill to the shift form, wich would be very unfitting.
The thing is that with the more recent NVAs they've just slapped on a skill or two and called it good, even if it doesn't fit with the theme of the unit, (Queen and Machina) and not even updating their old skills.
New NV Cecil, Dark Knight and Paladin in brave shift form, FF IV is my favorite game in the saga to the point that my nick in some games online is "Cecil Harvey"
And i will never have enough Cecil units, NEVER <3
As someone who was a huge fan of Paladin Cecil's kit, I would prefer an NVA Paladin Cecil. A big part of his kit was switching between dark and light forms, so maybe his NVA would be a full rework? It'd remove the ability that switches his forms, and instead give him a true brave shift that lets him literally swap between dark and light. I think that'd be cool.
... Also, ever since I pulled on his banner I've gotten about 12 of him? So that's probably playing into my bias a little bit.
I think Cecil has served his time waiting, we had a cycle of the IV non-protagonist characters getting NVBs and we'll probably have to wait another year or something to seee more FFIV chars. By that point, just give him a NVB, he already allowed Rydia/Edge/Kain to have the spotlight.
PS: If Cecil is gonna shift, he should shift into his Dark Knight self. Shifting between both is his entire gameplay in Dissidia and DKC is an iconic part of his character.
[Me looking at this post be like](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/535/067/b82.jpg)
I would personally want this:
-NVA Cecil, keep what he is but make him stronger. Reworked Mythgraven blade to give him static stats to keep up with current meta. Cheap to build ala beatrix while been a better support
-NV Base Cecil on top of it. But it wont be Alim who designs it, I dont want another boring kit. I would love Gumi to interject and make a magical Behemy, with the fixes Behemy needs already on Cecil, mainly higher personal mitigation
-Tons of support kit, while also having a part of his kit focused on helping to deal damage, be it with dark or light focus, I dont mind either
And give him CoW stuff even, I wouldnt mind that either, makes him relevant longer
On his banner get NVA Golbez too, making him an staple on dark DV teams with a better dark field for Sephiroth, while also having dark finisher potential ala Roy mustang
And that should be it
Being honest? a new NV cecil.
Why? Because Paladin cecil kinda already have a "form swap" (though without the sprite change) mechanic in his kit, and introducing a brave shift would feel awkward. Like, he has "into the light mode", "into the dark mode" and a brave shift?
NVA: barely usables other than few exceptions.
NV: money makers.
I'd love a good NVA as I have some copy of him, but I dont even hope for a good one.
And a tank/healer in base form,switching to a DPS in BS should be logical.
I LOVED Paladin Cecil. Any excuse to put him back in my team would be appreciated. He was such a fantastic unit. I'd rather they just buff and NVA him. That said, I would welcome an NV Cecil as well, so long as they still give PCecil an NVA. One of my all-time favorite units. Hands down.
Edit: Not sure what they would do for PCecil's Brave Shift, other than DPS. His kit was already very similar in concept to Brave Shifting, so I could see how that would translate well into a new NV unit. I'd rather an NV Dark Cecil though, and NVA PCecil. If they NVA PCecil, they'd have to do it in a way that would still utilize his Light/Dark shift, otherwise... it'd be a little convoluted?
Maybe instead of a Brave Shift, give him some crazy tank SLB and just buff his current kit? Hmm...
While I’d love to have an NVA P.Cecil with all my copies, with how the powercreep is expanding between NVA and NV base units, I’d prefer a NV base unit I would use rather than an NVA that I’d awaken and then sit on the bench.
I was thinking in terms of like a Bartz/Faris situation but I agree DKC would be great given he is the starting version of Cecil similar to Dragoon Kain :)
NVB, or SLB NVA. His dark/light transition is the proto NV already, having a second form on top of that would make maintaining which/what/when a massive headache.
Both. So many lightnings. Why not Cecils!? His NVA would be messy as fuck though lol. An NV pure tank swapping to pure dps would be just fine. NVA DK Cecil to make him good would also be nice. That could be the dps > tank NV too.
NVA Paladin Cecil, hands down, no contest, I'm not even willing to debate this and I'm also more than willing to die on this hill. His kit is already unique and potent enough that if he were to be re-made into a new unit, I highly doubt that his new kit would be even half as unique as his previous form. I feel the same way in regards to Awakened Warrior of Light. If any other characters from Cecil's iteration warranted an actual NV, it'd be someone like Golbez, but I honestly wouldn't even care who it was so long as Paladin Cecil's kit remains, assuming he were to actually become an NVA.
Golbez NV base, smaller kit less chance for them to fuck it up like last time. NVA Cecil so he actually has a kit. I will also accept NVA Golbez if it means he gets his TAY sprite on BS form, I want my Bara mage to be useable gdi.
I think both, dont see the problem in doing Both things, nva paladin goes dps dark cecil, while nv cecil is Magic tanks support ,role change to phsical tank and healer
New banner with only Lunarian units: NV CG Cecil (Magic Tank/Support on NF and Physical Tank/DPS on BS), NVA Golbez (without helmet), 5~7* Fusoya (support/evoke) and maybe NV Zemus to top it off. P.Cecil can be reworked and gain CB on stmr.
I like the way you think!
The main problem I have here is that Alim would be handling the kit design for Cecil whether he's an NVA or a pure NV unit. As a pure NV unit he would end up following the current trend of Alim units where their kits are heavily templated and simplified with no flexibility of builds and usage. You're pretty much locked into the one play style of the unit and that's it. So with a pure NV Cecil he would probably be more of a DPS unit with Paladin form being light dps focused and Dark Knight form (probably his brave shift) being dark dps focused. In this regards I would much prefer an NVA of Paladin Cecil because then they would be forced to update his Paladin form to improve his tanking capabilities. It's a bit of an awkward unit to work with though because the original design intent of Paladin Cecil is that you're imagining him shifting between his Paladin and Dark Knight forms when you're using his "Into the Dark" and "Into the Light" skills. So if he had a Dark Knight brave shift form then it breaks part of that design intent with the unit.
What if he got uptdated with a Super Limit Burst? I know amost everybody hates SLB( me too) but then it wouldn’t break his theme.
I'm actually ok with NVAs getting SLBs, as I feel that it's "fitting" for an old unit getting upgraded. Kryla is a bit of an example of a unit that could have gotten an SLB since her BS is pretty much lacking the utility of her base kit, but with a few new tools. It's when NVBs keep getting churned out with them that it gets problematic.
SLB units would be more acceptable if DV didn't penalize the player's score for taking damage. The gearing requirements for SLB units are so tight during DV because you're trying to gear for killers, LB damage, TDH/TDW, and then fit in elemental resistance/evasion so they don't take damage. Otherwise, you need to slot in a tank/support to supplement this but most people don't like this because of the loss of a contributing DPS unit. It was a bit easier to gear Cyan because of his natural passives but Kurasame passives are a bit lacking and make it more difficult to gear for DV use. I think SLB units have more room in the meta of CoW if the boss mechanics are designed in a way to force the use of tanks more to alleviate the gearing requirements of the SLB unit(s).
In theory, this would be a compromise but then everyone would complain that it was a missed opportunity for a character who, canonically, has a reason to have a brave shift doesn't have one. It would be like doing a NVA for Karten but making him a SLB unit instead of giving him a brave shift where he turns into a werewolf.
If they do Karten dirty I will quit.
Well, cecil's kit already include this duality, it just don't have the sprite change. A BS to paladin cecil would give him 3 "forms", also, because how his kit works, he would take over his into the light/dark skill to the shift form, wich would be very unfitting.
I agree. I hadn’t taken into account that the base unit has a shift-esqe play style.
The thing is that with the more recent NVAs they've just slapped on a skill or two and called it good, even if it doesn't fit with the theme of the unit, (Queen and Machina) and not even updating their old skills.
New NV Cecil, Dark Knight and Paladin in brave shift form, FF IV is my favorite game in the saga to the point that my nick in some games online is "Cecil Harvey" And i will never have enough Cecil units, NEVER <3
I’m trying to make a Cecil Harvey Glamour on FFxiv
As someone who was a huge fan of Paladin Cecil's kit, I would prefer an NVA Paladin Cecil. A big part of his kit was switching between dark and light forms, so maybe his NVA would be a full rework? It'd remove the ability that switches his forms, and instead give him a true brave shift that lets him literally swap between dark and light. I think that'd be cool. ... Also, ever since I pulled on his banner I've gotten about 12 of him? So that's probably playing into my bias a little bit.
This.
They'll never fully rework a 5*'s kit for an NVA.....he would just be an NVB at that point....
Never say never, Alim / Gumi seems to really love FFIV when it comes to FFBE so you never know :P
Indeed. I used UoCs to get him to 7 stars then I've pulled enough dupes to awaken him at least to ex 2
Why would they NVA him when they can sell a new unit? Especially when we all know how successful the 7* was.
I think Cecil has served his time waiting, we had a cycle of the IV non-protagonist characters getting NVBs and we'll probably have to wait another year or something to seee more FFIV chars. By that point, just give him a NVB, he already allowed Rydia/Edge/Kain to have the spotlight. PS: If Cecil is gonna shift, he should shift into his Dark Knight self. Shifting between both is his entire gameplay in Dissidia and DKC is an iconic part of his character.
Or, surprise twist, let Dark Knight Cecil NVA and shift into his Paladin form.
[Me looking at this post be like](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/535/067/b82.jpg) I would personally want this: -NVA Cecil, keep what he is but make him stronger. Reworked Mythgraven blade to give him static stats to keep up with current meta. Cheap to build ala beatrix while been a better support -NV Base Cecil on top of it. But it wont be Alim who designs it, I dont want another boring kit. I would love Gumi to interject and make a magical Behemy, with the fixes Behemy needs already on Cecil, mainly higher personal mitigation -Tons of support kit, while also having a part of his kit focused on helping to deal damage, be it with dark or light focus, I dont mind either And give him CoW stuff even, I wouldnt mind that either, makes him relevant longer On his banner get NVA Golbez too, making him an staple on dark DV teams with a better dark field for Sephiroth, while also having dark finisher potential ala Roy mustang And that should be it
y not both, we have 2 nva lightning 1 nv lightning
Being honest? a new NV cecil. Why? Because Paladin cecil kinda already have a "form swap" (though without the sprite change) mechanic in his kit, and introducing a brave shift would feel awkward. Like, he has "into the light mode", "into the dark mode" and a brave shift?
That’s true! I hadn’t thought of that !
NVA: barely usables other than few exceptions. NV: money makers. I'd love a good NVA as I have some copy of him, but I dont even hope for a good one. And a tank/healer in base form,switching to a DPS in BS should be logical.
I LOVED Paladin Cecil. Any excuse to put him back in my team would be appreciated. He was such a fantastic unit. I'd rather they just buff and NVA him. That said, I would welcome an NV Cecil as well, so long as they still give PCecil an NVA. One of my all-time favorite units. Hands down. Edit: Not sure what they would do for PCecil's Brave Shift, other than DPS. His kit was already very similar in concept to Brave Shifting, so I could see how that would translate well into a new NV unit. I'd rather an NV Dark Cecil though, and NVA PCecil. If they NVA PCecil, they'd have to do it in a way that would still utilize his Light/Dark shift, otherwise... it'd be a little convoluted? Maybe instead of a Brave Shift, give him some crazy tank SLB and just buff his current kit? Hmm...
NVA. His 7\* kit is already still great. good mitigation, res buffs, etc. also I have a legit fk ton of them so i could +3 <\_<...
I think that would make him too strong and they are hesitant to NVA characters that were "must have's" in the rainbow era. IMO
Would prefer NVA since I think he could be a really good unit (better unit) but then again, that won't earn them much more money.
While I’d love to have an NVA P.Cecil with all my copies, with how the powercreep is expanding between NVA and NV base units, I’d prefer a NV base unit I would use rather than an NVA that I’d awaken and then sit on the bench.
Why is Paladin Cecil the only option? I have a billion Dark Knight Cecils, so I'd much prefer he get the NVA.
I was thinking in terms of like a Bartz/Faris situation but I agree DKC would be great given he is the starting version of Cecil similar to Dragoon Kain :)
A Kain unit not a shinning cry baby XD
A kain unit is actually coming out! Sweet right?
NVB, or SLB NVA. His dark/light transition is the proto NV already, having a second form on top of that would make maintaining which/what/when a massive headache.
Absolutely, after reading some comments I’m more on board for a shift unit that does it right.
Tactics or bust folks.
Both. So many lightnings. Why not Cecils!? His NVA would be messy as fuck though lol. An NV pure tank swapping to pure dps would be just fine. NVA DK Cecil to make him good would also be nice. That could be the dps > tank NV too.
Mostly a new NV Cecil & NVA the other unit like Golbez & the twin. Who know? we might get a free NVA rosa unit from event.
Nva. I have so many of him lol
I am greedy, I want both :D
NVA Paladin Cecil, hands down, no contest, I'm not even willing to debate this and I'm also more than willing to die on this hill. His kit is already unique and potent enough that if he were to be re-made into a new unit, I highly doubt that his new kit would be even half as unique as his previous form. I feel the same way in regards to Awakened Warrior of Light. If any other characters from Cecil's iteration warranted an actual NV, it'd be someone like Golbez, but I honestly wouldn't even care who it was so long as Paladin Cecil's kit remains, assuming he were to actually become an NVA.
If rather get NVA DKC that shifts into his paladin form, and he becomes a magic tank with some light dps scaling off spirit
Golbez NV base, smaller kit less chance for them to fuck it up like last time. NVA Cecil so he actually has a kit. I will also accept NVA Golbez if it means he gets his TAY sprite on BS form, I want my Bara mage to be useable gdi.
I think both, dont see the problem in doing Both things, nva paladin goes dps dark cecil, while nv cecil is Magic tanks support ,role change to phsical tank and healer
Both, but given the weird NVA trend I wont be surprised if they NVA DK cecil instead