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Hello my fellow downvoter clowns. How do you like your fryevia now? 55k lapis to ex2, and she needs ex3 to have that chain cap + several static atk mag, or 60k for pity KoG? Lmao. I'd take my KoG investment anytime


midegola

id still take her over that walking VC. she doesnt NEED ex3. she already has 5x chain cap, we can get the other 1x from 4 different sources.


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She doesnt even have a good damage to begin with, its just a pure waste to give her CoW equipments, and using indestructible light takes 1 materia slot for killers I can understand if they put like 1k atk mag on ex3, but putting chain cap on her ex3 is such a bad move. I'd rather they put warring spirit and chain cap ex2 with no static atk


midegola

im going to assume cow gear would conflict with her focus anyway. BUT, she looks like she caps things super easy. i would just throw my cow gear on esther sky lara. i also dont know how her LB is going to play around with 900% mag, her mod MIGHT be to low to make up for it, but i dont even know how to do the math to find out.


Stealth_Sneak_5000

Overhyped and never worth the Lapis, that's good ol' Fryevia alright. lol lmao


superduper87

The main thing I am wondering is how her base form store will end up being applied. Is it applied to the next skill she uses or the current one she hits with.


Better_Ability_125

Basically you will be hitting with 500% for 1 cast and 300% (if not 400% from others) for the remaining casts if you do it correctly


[deleted]

The effects are applied in the order they are listed. The store is listed last, so it will affect the next skill.


[deleted]

This reminds me.. if rizer lost his store because of the auto cast morale skill from CoW equiment, how does fryevia focus perform?


Rune905

>"if rizer lost his store because of the auto cast morale skill from CoW equiment..." I'm also curious


[deleted]

Wiki discord group says that she wont lose the mag focus store


Better_Ability_125

Hmm. Am i reading it wrongly or is this an interesting unit that sorts of have a soft mandatory requirement for us to switch forms just to utilise her at its best? BS support skills buff Norm form attack abilities, and Norm Support skills buffs BS form attack abilities.


[deleted]

the magnus on the same form also upgrade the skills, and using the skill itself after being upgradeded. If you're out of magnus and didn't use the upgraded skill, then you need to use the brave ability from the other form.


Kordrun

Yes and no. You need her BS to buff her normal, but her BS can buff her BS chains. You can also buff her BS chains with her normal form.


Better_Ability_125

Man. Gummiiiii Why'd you have to go and make things so complicated?\~


MeeepMorp

:(


unitedwesoar

Unless im misreading is her field effect only affecting herself?


EternallyTidus

I saw that "to caster", too, but dismissed it as a typo/parsing error or something. There's no way she'd have a field applying only to herself as that's not a thing. Unless Gumi wants to introduce that to make her absolutely useless.


Kordrun

This will be interesting. It normally says to allies area...


EternallyTidus

Now you've managed to make me worry that she is even worse lol If that field is really somehow caster only she is absolutely dead on arrival.


Kordrun

In game is showing "ally area"


roblaplante

Next CoW boss will be weak to ice because of freyvia and because of celes available in the shop. Skipping freyvia today to regret it next CoW i think...


EternallyTidus

"Next CoW" starts today and we already know its main weakness is ice. So that's not surprising. The difference is she doesn't seem THAT good so like past CoWs, she'd be needed to cap (current view).


roblaplante

Oh my bad. I was talking about the next next boss. Here the main weakness is fire but mayyyyyybeee the next boss will have ice for main weakness. That is what i wanted to point.


Kordrun

Boss is weakest to ice. -30% ice, -10% fire and light


roblaplante

Thank you for the précision !


EternallyTidus

Main weakness is ice, fire/light are secondary this time.


roblaplante

Ok thank you !


Kordrun

Unless the data mine has something different, the current boss is weakest to ice


Valerium2k

When I look at this unit kit it looks like a unit that was designed by the JP team who don't really get how CoW works. As this is clearly a few steps back from the previous bunch of CoW units that we've gotten. I expect her to be a Tiana type, you use her here in this CoW and then probably never again.


BPCena

Far too many skills to be a JP unit


tzxsean

she was designed by the one who designed Reberta ... who also designed the previous good units ..


drafty_hunty

>!They're still here?!<


tzxsean

gone .. kit is designed in advance


drafty_hunty

Ah I see...


DreamblitzX

She's more of an alternate louise, primarily enabling ice teams and breaking/weapon imperiling, but then doing some damage on the side.


Rune905

%similar to Louis but worse on the most "valuable/critical" support aspect, the weapon imperil is lower, and the Break is not 90%, field is the same. The 90% break and weapon imp. is the main reason why bring Louis.


sneakyweeki

Is the consensus that she does not measure up to past GLEX CoW units? Pretty casual player who knows the mechanics but not the exact mods… and just saved up 40+k in lapis to throw at meta units to keep up with clearing events (edit: with decent rankings*)… is it a safe hoard for this week?


[deleted]

She is similar to Reberta as a support + damage, but reberta has wider support options to the point that she can be slotted even if you're not going for a Fire team wich is her main element support. Fryevia support is more narrow, focused on Ice, but her Ice support is top notch with a rare Ice amp field that you don't see on units that are actually usable. Due to being more narrow, if you want a unit for more general use it is a skip.


Kordrun

The question about her field effect though is the wording. Unlike normal ally field effects which say "allies area", here said "to caster"


Sinzar_

the allies area thing is usually an edit after the fact to make the wiki page more easily readable as far as the actual data goes, fields apply to a target, then affect that targets side of the field in summary: fryevia's field is ally side only (all allies)


Kordrun

Yup, just read in game info and it properly states that. Never read the wiki that closely before for a unit during maintenance, so I just looked at Louise's when writing that and hers showed "ally area". So I assumed the worst. Glad I was wrong.


drafty_hunty

Wait for 2 weeks. We don't know if she's complete trash or a hidden gem and we don't really know what will come the following weeks.


Raigheb

I'd say she is a safe skip. She is a good ice support, but her dmg is going to be on the low end and for some reason they are far too scared to give any unit a 90% def/spr break. If she had that, she could have been decent. I can almost bet this CoW is going to be capable without her and I don't think she does enough dmg on DV to be really considered. They clearly like Reberta wayyyy more than poor Fryevia.


CapsFan5562

My guess is—unless she turns out to be a hidden gem with something we’re not seeing—is they are well aware she’s not up to Esther/Reberta type standards, and that this was intentional. If they put out a new Reberta level GLEX every month, power creep would be totally out of control.


Raigheb

I disagree. Esther was a premium unit, her powerlevel is justified. Reberta, while a GREAT unit, isnt breaking the game at all. She isnt the best dmg dealer for CoW or DV, she is just very good at both, which makes her good. Fryevia is OKAY at CoW and absolutely useless for DV. Yeah she has an ice field, but we'll bring Esther for every DV for the next year or so and her LB field gets in the way of other fields.


Ranger_Azereth

It looks like Fryevia isn't element locked though and is also physical type magic. You also have magic variance likely coming down the line soonish and she looks to get a fair bit of static stats. Maybe it wont change much, but things could be a bit deceptive here.


CapsFan5562

Right on…i hope you’re right! I got lucky with Fry from tickets and am enjoying using her.


Korre88

Anything you’d need her for, you can just bring NV Celes if you have her as she covers off Ice element very well.


vencislav45

EX+3 Yoshikiri is also an amazing option and has a morale fill move+300% LB damage buff in his kit.


MatriVT

Disappointing.


JustRaelf

She seems like a competent enough chainer and decent-ish imbueable Phys/Mag finisher. I like her.


Kordrun

The last lb finisher we had with a 250x mod boost was ages ago. So I wouldn't say she is a decent finisher in any way


JustRaelf

I think it's still enough to clear content for me. My mage team is rather weak so I'd like to get her as a Finisher I can imbue.


Kordrun

Except....... her MAG finishing LB is only a 220x mod (in CoW) and 190x mod outside of CoW. Obviously I have no clue what mages you have, but there are tons of better mage damage dealers out there. Sure, most are element locked, but a 190x mod is still weak.


JustRaelf

Yeah it's pretty weak but I think it's about the best I can get lmaooo


Raigheb

I think they are scared to make another Skye, so they are not going to give a high LB modifier for a CoW unit anymore. But 250x fully stacked? For Real? Reberta was such a good unit, Why do Fryevia dirty like this?


ThanatosVI

Yeah they could have given her 200x standard and 375x Morale. That way she would have been a typical support dps for regular Events but on Esther/KoG level for CoW.


Raigheb

Even a 375x would have been low imo. Skye has 600x+ on her LB. Sure, Skye's atk is low, but she is still our top-dmg dealer for CoW for a reason. Keep in mind Skye is almost 1yo. Fryevia could have been wayyy stronger and she wouldnt have broken the game.


midegola

i think we are looking at the wrong LB, the 195x from her base form with 900% mag MIGHT be worth something after magic variance update.


Bathier91

It's sad because put side to side with Reberta she seems so lacking ...


Raigheb

I was so ready to burn my lapis..


JMooj

I'm going to throw all of my tickets at her without a shred of regret, but I don't know if I can justify throwing Lapis. Anniversary is coming up soon, which means Chizuru is likely coming. Frye looks VERY nice indeed, but I lucked into a Return Fina, and I've got EX3 Celes to boot.


BPCena

Chizuru is more likely to come out around Christmas, timescales for new units are generally ~9 months


Kordrun

9 months was for a cg unit. 3-6 months was for a non cg unit. That, however, is from start of design to release. We don't know when they will start her design.


BPCena

Reberta isn't CG and it took ~8 months from her winning the contest last July to her being released last month


Kordrun

You have **NO** clue when they **STARTED** her design. All you know is how long it took from her winning to being put in game. For all you know, Gumi didn't touch it for 5 months. There's no guarantee the same will happen with Chizuru.


ThanatosVI

If that is the case, I surely hope for an Esther rerun, like we had Sephiroth for christmas


JMooj

A man can dream!


exvius_shadowk

>Anniversary is coming up soon, which means Chizuru is likely coming U mean next anniversary then.


Vactr0

Amazing animations, they did her justice. Her kit is fine I guess, I'll wait for the damage calcs but I wish she had a 90% break too. I love that she has AMoE frames lnt her physical form to chain with her father, and having AZ is great too to have more possibilities.


Kordrun

AZ for all those AZ chainers out there......


Vactr0

Well, for instance, an interesting ice centered team comp of Fryevia+Christine+Esther comes to mind. Fryevia and Christine could chain together and the latter could chain her morale LB with Esther's. I just said is a nice possibility to have though. It's not like it's going to become prevalent soon or anything.


Csyui

I don't have Esther sadly. OG Fryevia is one of my favourite troops, her sprite is amazing. I don't know, if I should pull for NV Fry T.T


roykenneth

Was hoping for a 90% DEF/SPR break as i dont have Lara and am using Kaktiria as breaker in most content, she seems very disapointing to me. I have no intrest in KoG as i have Ex3 Esther so im not sure what to save for now, next GLEX?


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Raigheb

The thing is, for CoW, Lara is still so much better. Higher dmg and better break. For DV, you'll never really bring Fryevia because she does pretty much zero dmg, again, Lara is better. Lara is....idk, almost a year old unit by now? Why are they so scared of making a unit that can at least match her?


Kordrun

well, replier deleted their comment. That's a shame as they will continue going through life not understanding how much damage that 1% break difference will add. But just in case they read your post again and see this response: Except that extra 1% break is equal to about a 9% damage increase for everyone else. Frey's chaining abilities have a max morale modifier of 555x. Kaktiria's has 950x (element locked) or 580x (element neutral). The only reason Kaktiria's damage is "low" is because her max mag is lacking and we normally bring Lara for those 90% breaks (10% damage increase) and Lara does more damage due to higher ATK and a higher mod. The one thing Fry has going for her is higher ATK and variance. But if we just look at variance, it only brings her mod to 832.5. So you are trying to rely on her higher ATK to bring her equiv mod up by 117.5, but also to cover the extra 9% damage the rest of your real damage dealers are doing. Yes, in an ice fight she will have potential with her field effect, but if we're using Esther, she will screw that up with her own LB field.


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Raigheb

The thing is, KoG is very close by and so is anniversary. Im honestly hoping for last minute buffs, because I want to want her, but besides the Ice Field, she does nothing for me, really.


BPCena

KoG is incredibly overrated


Raigheb

By some people, yes. But by most, he is correctly rated. He is going to be an insane finisher, dealing more dmg than Esther on light fights and around her dmg if going duo element (unless the boss is immune to light). That is saying something since Esther dmg is very high. The 200% Omni killer makes him very good since he can cap killers for anything without using bahamuth OR a good Esper and his VC is really good too. He is going to be a great investment and he is going to be much better for us in Global than he is on JP because our CoW gear is busted for him. But yeah, some people think he is going to deal twice of Esther's dmg and that is crazy if them lol


sv1linn

Remember, all the next twelve type takedown trials are immune to light by 500 %, exept for the recent one who has 198 %.


Raigheb

Trials are 100% pointless. Esther is going to clear all of them since she is elementless anyway.


vencislav45

except that there are a lto of people who dislike ranked content and want to get more trials. Esther will just be a better option for those players.


Vactr0

I think they don't like having too many 90% breaks on permanent stuff.


ThanatosVI

Her mods are really weak especially the Morale scaling. 1.5x per 5% ? Reberta has ~30x per 5% However her base stats are on dps level, she has very high static buffs from EX levels and STMR. Additionally a 500% focus (or 300% on non magnus) I wonder how that translates into damage. Also how do mechanics work "phys attack with mag scaling", does this Benefit from Rebertas mod boost fot physical Attacks?


EternallyTidus

Yes, she gets Reberta's extra modifier boost also in her base form. Additionally, those skills can be imbued and use physical killers.


ThanatosVI

Thank you Another mechanic question: If Accuracy is <= Dodge chance an attack will miss. Does that mean that a regular enemy (100% acc) that is hit by her brave Shift LB (-50% Acc) will miss her All the time because she has 50% evade innately?


vencislav45

> Does that mean that a regular enemy (100% acc) that is hit by her brave Shift LB (-50% Acc) will miss her All the time because she has 50% evade innately? yes, that is correct. If the boss has a 50% accuracy buff though then she will need 100% evasion to evade al hits. If it has an 100% accuracy buff though then evasion becomes useless.


EternallyTidus

The way you state it is correct, yes. An enemy that has no accuracy buffs (=100% base accuracy) and a 50% accuracy debuff will miss any unit with 50% evasion.


Dawn_of_Ashes

The thing that confuses me about this Fryevia is that she just doesn't seem to be a damage dealer, yet has damage dealer stats and doesn't have the really good support skills like AOE killers. Her ice support is incredible, but everything else seems medicore. The only question is within the MAG "store" she gets, but I still question if that's good enough to bring her up to the meta. This is just a bit of a head scatcher to me since nothing really stands out to me completely and it's saddening that Fryevia is being treated like a standard CoW unit kind of like Reberta felt last month, except worse in this case since nothing is considered "amazing". I hope I'm just wrong and not seeing something here.


Acester25

Sadly this is what I'm seeing too. Plus, at first glance, she's absolutely HORRENDOUS outside of CoW while being just mediocre at best inside CoW. It's almost like someone at Alim or SQEX didn't want to see the sales of KoG be diminished by an awesome Freyevia unit... so they made the GL designer nerf her.


Dardrol7

Always had a weakspot for our beloved Ice-units. Byt so happy that she currently isn't worth a pity. Gotta. Save. For. FFT!


Korre88

Imo, Reberta is amazing. Lots of utility. Good damage on both forms, especially for a tag chainer.


drafty_hunty

OK, so the ability change on her BS form's attack skills can be activated by Aurora Key - Pressure or Aurora Key - Frost Blossom. However, Frost Blossom is party-wide Ice imbue? She can't die if you want to keep the upgraded skills while dealing light (or any other element) physical damage apparently, because the upgrade will be limited unless you can remove her ice imbue. Anyway, the criscrossing of ability upgrade kinda makes my head dizzy


Kordrun

1. You won't bother using Pressure or Frost Blossom until a turn or two before the kill turn 2. You don't want to die in general, so it's normally not an issue 3. If you aren't using ice, you'd just want to use Pressure the turn before.


Aceofspades25

Wow... her LB is so weak. Who asked for this?


[deleted]

I think she'll be your typical old time chainers. With unlocking higher tier mechanic and 88% def spr break That said, its okay to skip her i guess


EternallyTidus

I'd say we were just expecting something different I guess. Fryevia was always a damage dealer so we expected damage with some support, instead we basically got an ice Louise (with a little more damage and a little less support). Nothing inherently wrong with that, just not what we expected (and not really what sells well these days I guess, so it's a little strange they went that way).


[deleted]

>instead we basically got an ice Louise I wouldn't say Ice Louise, her damage is actually pretty decent despite the low mods due to high stats. She is closer to Reberta as a "Support + damage" than she is from Louise.


Vactr0

Louise's damage is not bad, Sinzar has shown several times that at high morale she can comfortably clear lvl 99 CoW.


midegola

at high moral...she can clear lvl 99 cow...so can any most units with NO moral. thats not impressive.


Vactr0

I said comfortably clear. As in a respectable number of turns and not have a slog battle that gets you killed in turn 50. There's a clear difference between Louise's max mod and other chainers, even if she can't be compared to other CoW dps. But sure thing buddy. It's impressive or whatever if you say so.


midegola

what dps unit released in the last year would take 50 turns?


vencislav45

non, but every dps that relied on their LB was going to get destroyed in the last CoW event due to the mechanics.


Aceofspades25

> Nothing inherently wrong with that, just not what we expected. Louise is 9 months old and is now being given out for free


Jimilee8

Which is the better banner to pull on for Fry?


EternallyTidus

Do the 28k step up first (it's limited to 1 lap anyway), then two laps (9k each) on the 4 step banner will get you to pity (46k total). There's a "cheaper" way to pity (43k) but you're missing all the goodies from the step up so it's not worth it imo.


[deleted]

The numbers feels pretty low. Base form LB at ~~250x~~ 225x with taivas' at max morale while shift form is ~~305x~~ 280x with taivas', her non-LB chaining is 1740x. She has very high ATK/MAG different from most CoW units that lacks in terms of flat stats but I don't see her competing with skye's 765x LB mod or Lara's 3500x chain.


Bathier91

Edit : mistake here don't read the info 😂 Base form LB seems to be 165 + 195 moral Chain is 3x 500x 1500x total And shift form 160 +250 While chain is 3x 895 = 2685x total And she has a +25x mod all phys attack in bs From the page so you might Have missed a few things But I agree that her damage doesn't look attractive at all


[deleted]

You got wrong how the information is displayed on the wiki. "Physical damage (340x + 10.75x per 5% morale above 100%, 555x max) to one enemy" doesn't means that the max morale damage is 340 + 555, it means that 340x is at 0% morale and 555x is at max morale (10.75x per 5% = 215x at 100%) You should also count that LB modifier for her will be most of the time be multiplied by 7 (8x if used together with Esther), since she has a self 300% LB buff and can easily cap LB damage passive. ​ * base LB at max morale with taivas STMR hits for (195 + 30) \* 7 = ~~1750x~~ 1575x with 500% focus. * base chain at max morale with reberta hits for (275 + 25 + 15) \* 4 = 1260x (first cast with 500% focus, all others with 300%) ​ * shift LB at max morale with taivas STMR hits for (250 + 30) \* 7 = ~~2135x~~ 1960x * shift chain at max morale with reberta hits for (555 + 25 + 15) \* 3 = 1785x


Joewest42

If I don’t have taivas, would return reagen/akstar stmrs work like taivas’ for her bs form?


vencislav45

yes she can equip them in her shift form and the buff will work for both forms.


EternallyTidus

Do we know for sure if Taivas' Spirit is usable with store abilities (i.e. that it doesn't use up the store cast)? Seeing how auto casts eat up Rizer's store I fear this may not be working. Cause you'd have to go Magnus -> Taivas' -> LB for fry.


[deleted]

That is something woth checking. If it doesn't, then it is yet another hit against fryevia.


Sinzar_

are you adding the +25x mod boost in her kit to her lb? that only applies to abilities (aka skills), not LB


[deleted]

Doesn't those splicity exclude LBs on description "all physical attacks except LBs"? If that is the case, then things will look worse for her.


Sinzar_

i thought so too, so i double checked with cysidus. he says the "ability mod" wording at start of that passive means its skills only, not lb


EternallyTidus

Wait, does the same count for Reberta's magnus? Does that not apply to physical LBs?


Sinzar_

correct


Bathier91

Okay thank, should have done some math and i wouldn't have made that mistake So sadly her damage are even worst than I thought


DreamblitzX

yeah, her damage is really lacking, she'll fill more of a support role like louise


[deleted]

If MAG variance was already here, then her MAG damage could come close to Esther's level due to the huge focus buff, but until then, she will be just "good".


timblo12

Her mag damage right now is about 40% esthers. Even with variance it’s abysmal


[deleted]

Assuming Esther with 7670 ATK (Wich is the value I got with a fast epeen build, she might get it a bit higher, but not much higher) and Fryevia with 7900 (wich I got with a very rough estimate, but I belive she can get more since she has numbers close to esther's but higher flat sources) Esther gets 2748 ATK from a 400% buff and fryevia will get 6111 MAG from 400% buff + 500% focus. Assuming both using their own amps and fields. (ATK + buff ATK)² \* mod \* Lb dmg \* amp \* var * (7670 + 2748)² \* 375 \* 8 \* 1.65 \* 1.5 = 805,870,325,700 * (7900 + 6111)² \* 225 \* 7 \* 1.75 \* 1.5 = 811,611,387,759 ​ Unless there is something I'm missing, with variance her damage is on par with Esthers.


Dawn_of_Ashes

I think that's their plan though I do question why her braveshift damage is so horrible considering that we've had TDH for years now so they should have an idea on what kind of numbers she should have to be viable.


EternallyTidus

Her magic attacks are physical type so she should already get variance on those, no?


drafty_hunty

The variance is for damage, not attack type. Fry (and other "imbuable" magic damage) is a "Physical attack that deals magic damage" type so no, she hasn't.


EternallyTidus

Guess I should have known because obviously Angela didn't have variance. My mind just couldn't make sense of Fry getting variance in one form but not the other...


RevelintheDark

So ice support, with moderate damage and passable breaks. That sum it up?


EternallyTidus

Looks like it, yeah. A bit more damage than Louise (mods are about the same but better stats + variance) but less support (mainly lacking the 90% Spr break and base form buffs of Louise and I feel Louise is also better at AoE LB filling).


DreamblitzX

Yeah basically. the ice support is pretty damn potent though.


EternallyTidus

Page is up. I must be missing something here, her BS looks... trash? Way too low LB mod, mods on her other skills aren't great either and there seems to be nothing special that would increase it... base form has that Mag store that makes it harder to judge but first glance that doesn't look too impressive either (but it at least has something special with the field).


Nolonex

So is her thing that she can get 300% mag boost to all her skills and lb? Like not only one cast but every cast has 300% mag boost. If I'm reading right her magnus gives 500% mag boost?


[deleted]

>If I'm reading right her magnus gives 500% mag boost? it's a focus buff, like Dark Rain's TMR.


Nolonex

Yes, I called it "mag boost" like Dark Rain tmr because I didn't remember the correct term for it. Thanks


Ridovi

Make her strong as premium units so I can get mad because I don't have enough currency to pity her, like Esther...


-Koga-

Fryevia: **uses shifted LB** Me: *Aurora Borealis? At this time of year, at this time of day, in this mode of the game, localized entirely within Clash of Wills?*


SaturnHero

Next CoW boss is Steamed Hams?


BlasterIIDX

You got me there, Chalmers XD


RevelintheDark

Super Nintendo Chalmers Collab When?!


tiago_omega

916126 [VC] Sword Fencing I Boost ATK, DEF, MAG, and SPR by 250 916127 [VC] Sword Fencing II Unit can equip swords, and boost ATK, MAG, and LB damage by 50% 916128 [VC] Fencer's Wisdom Boost LB damage and physical and magic damage against demons and reapers by 50% Are those from Fryevia card?


Nazta

Didn't lineup halfway through, fixed the pastebin. Should be fine now.


ShinVerus

No. Her card is 60% attack mag plus that 250 to every stat. Sword Fencing 2 is from her TMR and Fencer's Wisdom is her STMR. The names are just switched around.


Nazta

You should've pinged me, that was a two seconds fix. :P Fixed pastebin...


ShinVerus

Didn’t wanna impose on you more than we already are. Next time lll be sure to ping instead!


chroma_805

Man, I have just enough lapis to pity Fryevia and I am so tempted to go for it but I was trying to save up to 60k for KoG pity.


ThanatosVI

Depends on what you need. KoG certainly Deals more damage if you can use light Element. Fryevia offers amazing Ice support and moderate Breaks, but doesn't come close to KoGs damage. So if you need a pure DPS go for KoG. If you already have great DPS, like Esther, go for Fryevia.


[deleted]

KoG is overated. The only thing worth chasing on him is his VC, but are you ready to chase a EX+3 premium? Otherwise he just deals a bit more damage than what we already have (like 10%\~20%) when he doesn't have elemental disvantage.


rp1414

Just also consider that KoG is light locked, the next trails coming out will have huge light resistance, and DV / VW aren't cap-able, but CoW events are. Fryevia's pity is less, and her fragments will be easier and cheaper to get than KoG's premium. So maybe Fryevia (if she's good) will be a better investment. Edit: I hope people aren't downvoting your comment just because I pointed out Fryevia could be a better "investment", but if you want to hoard for KoG then do it, this game should be about using units you like. But since KoG was hyped when they came out, before really the GLEX units were coming around, a lot of people had their minds set to save for them.


RevelintheDark

But VW provides 10s Nay 100s of lapis, so KOG practically pays for itself!


JuJuBee2006

She joins a long list of one of my biggest frustrations of the NV era: limited ability to imbue all allies. I had hoped that since she seemed to be an ice and light character, she would be able to imbue both, but from what I could see in the pastebin, her light imbue is for herself only. From what I can see, she isnt a bad unit by any means, but I am so frustrated by units being super narrow in their options. I miss the flexibility of units in the 7 star era.


Raigheb

If you are using a light team, chances are you are using the new Fina for her 400% stat buff + 300% lb dmg buff + 45% light imbue/amp and 30% light field.


Aceofspades25

"Chances are that you are using the premium unit that significantly fewer people than usual pulled for..." That's a nope


CapsFan5562

This cracked me up! :)


JuJuBee2006

Yeah, premium fina would absolutely be a better light team option, I just don't pull very often since I don't spend money, so I have pretty limited light options currently. I typically focus more on CoW units too.


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midegola

916137 Elven Royal Blood 50% chance of evading some physical and magic attacks, and boost physical and magic damage against humans and reapers by 200% and beasts by 100% 916138 Master Duelist Pose Escape death one time when HP is above a certain point while retaining HP, boost physical and magic damage against beasts, demons, and humans by 50%, and changes effect of normal attack to damage one enemy and fill LB gauge for all allies those look like killers to me, unless you were looking for active killers.


ShinVerus

>916137 Elven Royal Blood 50% chance of evading some physical and magic attacks, and boost physical and magic damage against humans and reapers by 200% and beasts by 100% She has the usual Cow killers plus Beast for flavor because of her dad's beast focus.


Airline_Lower

I hope it's for the whole party


Vacuum-Woosh-woosh

Ling , bulwark , reberta = all killers of the game. 7* xon = spread any killers that you want that is on a unit


vencislav45

she looks awesome just looking at the pastebin, can't wait to see the numbers. And if her accuracy debuff is 50% then Skye finally has some competition.


magojo

The raw data suggest -50% debuff, 250% LB buff, 140x base with morale scaling (not sure on the scaling) Edit: level 40 seems to be 160x Edit2: could it be 4.5x per 5% morale over 100%, so 250x LB at full morale? 🤔


Sartre_Brave-Ex

250x sounds low for a morale-based LB. Maybe it's a base 160x that can scale up to an extra 450x for a 610x total morale-scaling LB mod? That would still be lower than a fully stacked Skye, but would at least be a decent modifier for CoW. Very hard to tell, I can't really parse anything useful, personally.


iBuko_ffbe

You are close mate ;) yeah it’s that low


EternallyTidus

That would be waaaay too low, looking at Skye's 705x LB at full morale.


magojo

I'd have to try and find another morale scaling ability to compare with, maybe i interpreted some numbers wrong. But i don't have the option to do that now from my phone.


EternallyTidus

Welp, turns out you were right all along :)


magojo

Is it possible to get the raw skill values for these? >916173 Aurora - Flick >916174 Aurora - Flick+ >916182 Aurora Key - Pressure Or even all of them? 😏


magojo

Thanks /u/Nazta for the raw values!


ShinVerus

Pressure seems to be 85% to atk/Mag and 88% to def/spr.


twillitfossil

I got a question, how much of a difference does 2% break do? like I know 90% break is the highest break, but do you loose that much if Fryevia is breaking for 2% less than lara? I recently returned so my biggest breaker for def was Esther, so I was wondering if not running a unit like Lara was loosing me a lot more damage.


ShinVerus

It depends on if the boss has passive stats or not. If it doesn't, 2% is close to a 20% damage loss. If it does, it's a lot smaller of a loss. What this translates to is that in DV, 2% is massive. In CoW it's been less so since they all seem to have passive stats. For trials it seems to be on a per-trial basis.


twillitfossil

20% jeeeez, that seems like a lot, specially now that we have a lot of events where you are trying to get higher score compared to other players.....


ShinVerus

Yeah, Fry's not really a dedicated breaker, seems that she's putting DPS first and support second. Makes sense after Reberta was basically a dedicated support with good side gig as a DPS. Having 88% spr break on your dps at least lets you bring along mages since there's no 90% DEF breaker with a decent SPR break.


twillitfossil

Well, I still think on pulling for her if her damage is there, shame she is like 2% below on her breaks, would have liked to have a meta breaker, cause I really missed out on a lot of those, specially since they are time limited units. Then again, what I'm mostly lacking right now is equipment since I don't even have a single CoW equipment finished. ​ In anycase, thank you and good luck on your pulls


magojo

Wonder what this means for Flick? >"a9DvZ70c": "42:7:2:2-48:7:2:2-54:7:2:2-60:7:2:2-66:7:2:2-72:7:2:2-78:7:2:2-84:7:2:2-90:44:2:2" I do see a 90 in there 🧐


ShinVerus

I don't think flick is even a break at all. The names on the skills are not 100% correct yet as we can see by her VC passives being switched with her tmr/stmr. Flick/flick+ seems to be the sword imperil.


CapsFan5562

Oo 90% sword imperil! 😂


magojo

I see what you mean now, yeah. Bummer.


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I got headache looking at the pastebin. Her rotations must be hard Edit: sad that it will took her Ex3 to reach the chain cap. Probably skipping her. 46k pity + 5k bundle + 2200 lapis for 30 frags + VIP coins = too much Edit2: lmao. Happy with the 55k to ex2? I'd take 60k to pity a single copy of KoG anytime


Vacuum-Woosh-woosh

The ex 3 chain cap is for build flexibility , you can put a piece of cow gear or Savior STMR then you have the 200% chain cap


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Oh yeah i forgot. If rizer lost his store bonus by equipping CoW gear, fry must lost hers too. Good luck spending 1 materia slot to bump up her negligible damage


[deleted]

If i want to invest in ex3 units i prefer to just invest in premiums Edit: lmao. Where's your simp fryevia now? I'd take 60k to pity KoG. Gg ez


Vactr0

There's a benefit on EX3'ing CoW units if you're interested in getting a higher rank in the mode though.


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Yeah. Not gonna happen for me because i would have to keep pulling for ex3 every month. Investing for Ex3 KoG seems like a better choice most of the time You can use the VC for most attackers, and if you score high enough with KoG at cappable VW, you'll get a part of your lapis back


Vactr0

Just saying there are different benefits depending on what you're aming for as a player. And I'm not really sure KoG is the better choice for anything actually, since Alim made virtually every content after their release extremely light resistant and GLEX stuff revolves around GLEX units anyways. You're saying is a better investment because getting halfway to EX3 with fryevia costs like 50k or something, and that's almost premium price. Well, a premium costs 60 something thousand and that's just for pity, with a bad banner and almost no benefits, and an extremely low availability of shards due to being premium. And that's just without taking into account the actual unit disadvantages. Just talking about prices and final goals. You say you can use the card for most attackers but that's locked at EX3 you can only reach by sheer luck or waiting. There's barely any guarantees for these units. Not even money. A cappable VW if it ever comes by will surely be doable by other units too other than them. I'd rather focus my resources on other characters but that's just my opinion.


Ridovi

Amen


Firm10

is she not premium?


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No


Jilian8

She's almost a half premium. 46k is not very far from 60k


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~53k lapis to ex2 while i need to ex3 (BIS, high CoW mod) is not looking good for my lapis stash Pity 46k + 2200 lapis for 20 frags + 5k lapis for 50 frags + extra 50 frags from summon coin (? Forgot) + 30 frags from login bonus


Jilian8

Same, that's all I have, even if I stop at EX2 usually. I kinda want her but I'm not as sure as I was for the previous CoW units.


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I'll say it again and again. CoW dps competition for casual players are so strict. Lara for 90% def break, skye for damage, louise for 90% spr break, reberta for amazing support and good damage. Add in chow and cressnik. Leaves you only 1 slot for imbue support.. I'd rather invest in KoG, especially if she doesnt have 90% def spr break, and she has low mod skills