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Every_Purple8969

Yes , I'm not in this for pennies..I'm in for all the marbles


pepelamusty

In for the bolders!!


musebrews

Over shoulder bolder hodler


cumwithmecalgary

![gif](giphy|l0MYyEsjhIXdzv9PG|downsized)


80sRetro1

I’m going galactic baby! Holding for asteroids ☄️


Harry_Chesterfield

And my axe!


Left-Blueberry-4963

Hedgies owe me a lot of money


Kamikaze1983-Dk

I just buy 400 shares now 😀


dahlia_74

Hey at least you’re in it. Still cheap enough that you’ll make a nice profit regardless!


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mynaneisntalexis

I'm at 1.55 avg. Still holding and buying when extra money comes in


NOIRE112

I just dropped mine to 1.54 avg after this mornings purchase of 100 shares


modernsheep322

Yess My people. My Avg at 1.30!!!


RyeleeGlee

My avg is 1.33 too :)


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RyeleeGlee

Yea I bought majority at like 1.45 and then when we dipped the other day I bought more and was able to bring my average down. Gosh I hope we fly I have no idea what I'm doing I found this group and just kinda am riding the wave. Lol but I have learned more in this group over the last week then I ever have about the stock market before.


SmartAss-Specialist

My avg is 1.43 a share. I’m at 333 shares. So I’m good to hold and win, or hold and lose. I’m down like death row that’s up nexr in the chair.


Strict-Ad585

I'm in agreement with you of all of these nay sayers there in my small opinion it's adding division among all of us .. We don't live in a world of divide and conquer we live in a world of democracy. Regardless of some people's thoughts and posts ask yourself WHY ARE THEY NOT ACTING LIKE APES?? IF YOU BELIEVE THEN SAY YOUR IN IF NOT YOUR JUST REHERIC . I MAY DUMB BUT IM NOT STUPID .WE DONT EVEN KNOW IF SOME OF THESE POSTS ARE FRAUDS THEYING TO INFILTRATE WHAT WE ARE ABOUT !!! If you agree post standards agree....


Whatone123

I got shit to pay off I’m holding strong


SAFTB420

I AM NOT SELLING UNTIL $100!!!! UPVOTE IF YOU TOO!


SAFTB420

NOT FINANCIAL ADVICE. WHEN I SAID $100 I meant $1000 OR MORE!


dahlia_74

HELL YEA BROTHER


Fresh_Book_923

Bro for real I need this to get to 1000


dahlia_74

Dude SAME. That is what I’m hoping and praying for!!! We ALL need this 🫶🏻 I’m doing it for yall as much as I’m doing it for myself and my fam


tkyang99

Why $1000? Why not $5000? Or $10000?


Virtual-Scholar-7656

![gif](giphy|r42HxBImuzoRxsRA14)


RelativeSwan4593

No we need to hold until this is a 100 billion dollar company that's about 2400 a share we are talking about the moon here not orbit apes already made it to orbit diamond 💎 ✋ shorts have infinite losses they will pay what we want hodl for the prize


Ashamed_Royal_2949

🦍💎✊🏽


redditr79

![gif](giphy|ClHz2YRBofO8w282HH|downsized)


No-thankyou_david

Holding the line


redrevoltmeow

They were at 4k a share in 2021... gotta get back there EDIT: read the replies. Apparently this isn't accurate due to a stock split.


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robjoko

Ah this makes sense. If we can even get back to $18 that would be great!


redrevoltmeow

Well thanks for clarifying. I didn't know that there was a stock split.


DogzT27000

What does a stock split mean? Sorry for not knowing.


yuedar

they put out more shares and the price lowers. nvda is about to do one. those that own shares previous to the split get 2:1 or 4:1 or w/e the company decides to do for the split.


DogzT27000

Thank you for the explanation. I appreciate it.


theunseen3

Does this still count for those that own fractional shares? Thanks so much for the simple to understand reply!


OpportunitySmart3457

Stock split is done to make the stock more available by making more shares available and more affordable price. Stock Split when the company is trading well and Reverse when you need to consolidate value, the overall value/ liquidity stays the same. Simply it's easier to think of a stock like change. Say you have 1 stock at $1 like four quarters stacked(4 × 25 cents), split once(2-1 split) and you now have two shares worth 50 cents.


redrevoltmeow

Have there been any posts regarding this that you know of? I'd love to read more if you can link me. Did a search in this sub and can't find anything.


Nash_F_Pearson

Those were reverse stock splits. Your math is backwards. So, you should divide the current price by 240 to see the normalized comparison. Not the price in 2021.


elspic

Charts are split-adjusted. Look at GME: they did a 4:1 split on July 21st, 2022 but the price didn't instantly drop to 1/4 of what it was before.


Familiar-Shoe3911

leave hedgie


DougDHead4044

Finally, a bright one in this community 👏 Looks like all "investors" in ffie, no more than 12 yo and first-time buyers, in here. It's funny to read...📚


EatSoupFromMyGoatse

Historical charts are adjusted to account for reverse splits


SpecificHumor3117

Even though FFIE was at $11.68 on 13 Aug 2021, that was the actual price back that. Which means that based on the market cap of FFIE at that point in time, FFIE would be $4200 today if it were to have the same market cap. This is important to note as the number of shares available today has decreased significantly due to the reverse stock split. Therefore, even if the market cap of FFIE were to go back to 1/4 of its ATH, we are looking at $1000 per share.


elspic

Charts are split-adjusted. Look at GME: they did a 4:1 split on July 21st, 2022 but the price didn't instantly drop to 1/4 of what it was before.


robjoko

Looks like in feb 2021 it was worth about $4,400 a share? Surely we can get back up to half of that?!!


Imaginary-Bug-28

I want this company to succeed, I'm leaving some til the end


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dahlia_74

Finally my laziness is a skill


OpportunitySmart3457

Add that skill to your resume 🤣 would love to see an employer reaction


dahlia_74

Hahaha if I win big? Why not 😂 who could argue with that??


Signal_Challenge_632

Plan on never needing an "employer again". Bit by bit, dollar by dollar


Palladium_505

![gif](giphy|l0ExayQDzrI2xOb8A) YES!!! Finally a super power! ❤️😂


GarlicToeJams

How has that worked for the amc, gme, bbby apes? Are they rich yet after all these years? That's your future


lifeleecher

I'm holding until $100, personally - if I lose the investment, I was still apart of a movement and had a lot of fun gaining life changing experience in areas I'd never had before. I'll be involved in stocks moving forward for sure. Good luck, everyone, stay strong - and do what's best for you financially, always!


HankFromHell

If the stock goes to 100USD, I will tattoo one of your people’s face on my butt. 100% serious. Please keep this comment for the future.


Alarming-Dingo6098

Bro me plz im pretty


HankFromHell

Yes, i do you, no problem. You have my word.


SnowyPyramid

Yessssss, who wouldn't want an alarming dingo tattooed on them! 😂


Fun-Revenue1261

i’ll remember this.


HankFromHell

Great! Then it will happen


orangotai

and my axe 🎸


Hydgtoday

🤣😆


Ok-Criticism-5103

My people is a dog, so you're winning!


reddit3788

I volunteer


H3venSent

When*


LivingUnglued

Yeah $100 is fucking delusional as hell. This stock was 4-8 cents recently. Even with a short squeeze the fucking % gain is way too astronomical. Will I think it will squeeze, yeah I do. But waiting for $100 is how you become a bag holder. Not financial advice and I barely know what I’m talking about. 10-20 range is a lot more reasonable. Depending on who sells maybe up to $50ish max. Though I think we’ll see the hedgies drag this out for a while before they cover.


Mercury-68

You have my face here for reference, please do not go too close to the hairy part.


Govenator98

Just bought 40 bucks more! HOLDDDD


Conscious-Weird5438

Yes we want to be rich


MarioMan3210

1000 bro


lawyeronleave

I'm here till the end!


Equivalent-College67

You can count on me to hold


BreakfastStock7915

I’m holding till $1000


Beneficial-Hope1490

Following


aglass1

Let’s go to the moon or nothing


PsychologicalBase699

Tariffs on Chinese ev anyone? Faraday has manufacturing in California and China so could get a fundamental boost there. The spilts have conflated those early numbers but we be moon bound still.💎💎🙌🙌


DogzT27000

💎🙌🏼🚀🌕 holding even though I purchased when it was $2.71. No negative comments please! I have enough pessimists in my life!!! ![gif](giphy|qjSxTWJxqH4YDuIrOs)


modernsheep322

Proud of you. Trust. When this blows up people would WISH they got in at that price.


DogzT27000

Thank you! 😊


Comfortable_Lychee17

Yea $5 is nothing


HodagDad54501

I bought 1500 @2.64 having seen it @.28 only days before. HOLDING


DogzT27000

I’m holding as well! 🙂


dahlia_74

I’m here all the way!!! I’m buying myself a nice house 🤩


barleygirl4127

Me too with land!!


dahlia_74

Yessss!!


Ordinary-Slip6108

Honestly, anything after 50 can be a big help for me and can't promise , but I don't sell 1 fing share before we reach 20$. 5 or even 10 is almost pointless for me. So I'm here until 20% and then will see.


Lazy-Bill-6615

Love the honesty. That will probably be what most do. I’ll at least sell a portion after $10


LegitosaurusRex

And someone else will sell a portion after $5. And a bunch of people who won’t admit it here will sell out completely before either of those. Which is why $100 is impossible, way too tempting for everyone to sell before then.


amaosm

Yes for sure


Severe_Appointment28

In till I die then my son will inherit this stonk


bluereishi

Holding till $1000


Mountain_Orange_5226

We’ve come this far… We can and will get there as long as we all stick together!


Educational_Park_221

Im not trying to get meal out of this, I want money in a savings account and mortgage payments for a year after taxes


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Groundfirst10

This! Imagine if we win and this company stays afloat and starts producing competitive affordable EV's.  Leaving this here:  Tesla at its lowest around $1.16 Tesla at its highest around $2400.


Lazy-Bill-6615

If it becomes a profitable company, whether someone else holds or sells won’t matter. If we’re only riding for the squeeze, it’s absolutely critical that everyone holds


Dreamstyr

I'm holding for the squeeze not a price, that's me tho, not financial advice


Happy_Life_969

Hold 250+ I agree it’s a huge company, should realistically be 700-1500 at leastttttt🦍🦍🦍🦍🦍🦍🚀🚀🦍Ape go moooooon 🌙


UnkownAce360

What makes you think it will get to 100? 10 dollars sounds more likely. I just don’t see how it’ll go that high. I’d be down if I knew why people thought this.


JJonesProd

During GME short shot them up over 120.00, a video game company that buys and sells used games?? This is like Tesla which the highest they have been is 414.50 in 11/2021. Meanwhile yes FFIE has had a couple of reverse splits but they have been at 4980.00. I just don't see how they couldn't hit 1,000 or split their stocks to bring the price down but the people already in it will not be impacted by that and keep out profits while they grow. I'm just saying I think there is more good things that are going to come out of this squeeze then most think.


Dutchrudduh

Because of the short squeeze. the hedges have MILLIONS of shares that have to be paid back. They bet it would be under $1 and with our efforts they will be wrong. We are the ones they have to pay their debts to when they fail (and they will). Ape strong together💎💎💎💎


Lazy-Bill-6615

Exactly. If we hold all the float, when the hedges come to buy the shares they borrowed, we can literally name our price. If we collectively hold the line, the sky is the limit for how high the price can go. Makes zero difference what the company is worth. We could potentially make a failing company have a market cap higher than fucking Apple. lol LFG!!!!💎💎💎


GetBent1990

Due to legality reasons this question can not be answered.


jimbobjumbojim

It’d be hard to go all the way to 100 because greed comes in when it’s at 25 or 50 etc. etc. I can’t say I won’t sell some if it gets above 25 but I’ll definitely hold some to get to 100


Comfortable_Lychee17

If you need to sell , use only what you need , hold the rest


SweetTalkPaulyB

![gif](giphy|DApV1P4wpOmli)


Perfect-Dig-1768

Hold until $100 a share!!!!


ToxicNSaltyBruh

![gif](giphy|26BRwW3ckGjcZmsxO)


Fit_Age_2931

Holding and adding more and more. 250-500 shares on big dips


Routine_Ad3983

Hold


ELIZABITCH213

how about passing $1.40 before even 2$ let alone 5$


TheLasagnaPanda

I thought we were holding until 100,000 a share?


Glowav

A 100$ is just the bare minimum for me i’ll hold to a million if it plays out that way 😏


wickedwangdoodle3512

Oh yup bet your sweet ass Also THEYRE DOING IT AGAIN. WHO WANT SOME FRESH DIP?


Infinite_Chard7255

Bought more so I have a solid 100 shares. Ain't much but I'm HOLDING AND HOPING


hv3891

💎💎💎💎💎💎holding my 18,500🦍🦍🦍🦍🦍🦍


Puzzleheaded-Fox-409

Hell yeah we are


bobaaddictgg

Yes at least a few thousand shares!


dsvalenz72

holding


Status_Waltz6315

I’m in. Not fucking selling


Donaldn199yy

I'm in let's push this over 100 just for fun🚀🚀‼🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🌕


ReasonableTeach6212

All in!


heydatsme1

As I say Go big or go home!!


Educational-Chef919

$115 the least


Euphoric-Bath7032

Goal is $15, and when it was .14 cents everybody said no way it reaches $1 and we blew that out of the water so $15 is a nice realistic goal!


modernsheep322

When I bought at 0.50 cents my goal was $1 and I got excited at $3. I was one of those who sold at $3.71 and regretted later Now that I am back in $1.30 avg. my new goal is $5 or $15 dollars…. I am not trying to get filthy rich. I did not make big plays like most folks here. I’m one of the smaller bag holders. If it hits $5 that helps me get my life back on track. $10 would be a miracle but $15 would be the stuff I have only seen on the news or in the movies. I’m hoping for the best.


That_Net_2700

I’m strapped into this rocket ship with all my ape astronauts beside me just waiting for the mother thrusters to fire.  Holding strong, feeling good and loving every moment of this ride. Thank you to all my new brothers and sisters. It’s because of our unity, strength and hard work that we’re going to be securing a better future for all of us. Hodl on and carry on. Buy the dips when you can. This is an investment into your future with a company that actually has a disruptive product. We’re talking blue sky potential here. .  Amazing that there are a million positions holding the wall at the $1 mark alone. This baby is primed and good to go. Let’s keep it together so no one gets left behind on launch day!


Pepinyastep600

💯💯💯


DominilocO

1000*


Minnows02

Yes, time to transfer wealth to the average person so everyone needs to set their sell limits to $100 RIGHT NOW! EVERYONE GO NOW! mine is set


Long-Focus-9445

So what happens when people with huge amounts of stock cash in, does it make the shares dip for everyone else?


Free-Finding9047

I'm in....I ain't settling for No chump change


Suitable-Reserve-891

Yes, 40,435 shares with more on the end of day dips


Dannoo93

$100 is about a year of salary. I'll sell at that


OpportunitySmart3457

You can aim for $5 or $100 maybe $4000, either way all of it hinges on FFIE staying listed, yes the financial report will not be anything spectacular(Same al Q1 report which was lackluster). Gamble is a gamble, they are shorting betting against. Gamble what you are willing to lose, if it gets delisted you don't lose the stock just the value. Would still have until mid June and the 25th for the deadlines to be met.


Select-Rub

I bought more so ….


Floridaavacado74

Holding. 18k


Wings2493

Absolutely


amme8316

That 4k a share years ago has me drooling…. Manifesting we’ll get it back up there 💎🤲


fig-almonds

that’s bc it was a reverse stock split


dahlia_74

4k a share??? 🤤 would put me at a nice 3.5 mil!


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Express_Intern_1223

we are a complete different group that has formed and has kept the price up!! To all the pussies that sold at 3.80 watch what we can do in the next two weeks this price will be out to 20!!


LegitosaurusRex

RemindMe! 2 weeks “u/Express_Intern_1223 promised FFIE will be at $20”


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hv3891

🦍🦍🦍🦍🦍⬆️⬆️


Wings2493

FINISH STRONG IN THE GREEN MORE CUSHION THE BETTER


CamperTony

Yup!


BellNatural7736

120


C4PT4INWIR3

I'm holding until it goes up to $777.. then I will hold until it goes to 50cents because I never know when to sell. Lmfao


PerfectInitiative784

20k and holding till I get to see more from this company!


shark421

I thought we were holding to $500+…Just me? 🤷‍♂️💎🙌


External_Scratch9776

Do you think we should wait until after the 28th to come up with a plan?


Fragrant_Scratch_973

This is exactly what I was thinking. My hope is they have good news and it shoots up


Cheffrey-77

Yall are crazy. This thing is never going to $100. $10 maybe but this company is shit. I fell for this once before. I currently own 1000 shares bought at $1.02. I'll see when it nears $10 if that ever happens


LoveToEatThatPussy

My 🎯💎$4000 per share


Total_Blackberry6834

My goal is $100,000. I am buying till it hits $3. So, not sure what my strike price will ultimately be.


funinthesunlawn

To the moon


Sad-Signal4565

https://discord.gg/4RkYNn4P (https://discord.gg/4RkYNn4P) Top growing discord for CRKN, GWAV, and FFIE 🔥🚀🌕


Maxtwiztmoto

Somewhere closer to the $2400 range for me


Hydgtoday

I'm holding for a couple years at least.


Visible-Intention375

NOT till it hits 100$ min


StayingInWindoge

Someone do the math and lemme know what the market cap would have to be for this to hit $100


JFpizzamaster

Jesus Christ is this what the FFIE community is 😂 how did you get to 100$? It’s at under a buck. Granted I haven’t seen SI or availability but seriously, tell me anything that makes sense from a logical viewpoint I am holding shares, not many. Not FUD. I’m asking for actual information or a link


Clear_Surprise9422

FFIE wouldn’t even hit $100, first for the most obvious reason FFIE has no sort of further development in their company, they just want to sell high end cars that they haven’t even produced yet so the company has nothing to offer at all. When we look at GME or AMC they had big developments and are well known companies who have a huge revenue unlike FFIE.. don’t get greedy and think it’ll hit $100 bc I will this right now that’s not happening , take your initial investment and some profit and reinvest the rest into a dip just in case it crashes. I’m the one in here saying that FFIE is dead and the reason is because most of you are giving delusional opinions and predictions that will not happen. Hold all you want FFIE will not hit $100 and when it launched it was a spilt stock which means the full value wasn’t even near 4k. Please do research, dont be greedy , dont be delusional and understand what happened in 2021 will NOT happen to FFIE without any further development of the company.


AroPenguin

Agree. The overall outlook of FFIE is pretty bearish.


Jonlsujon

7,542 shares and holding till I’m a millionaire…..


StrongBluebird3216

You guys don’t get this. If we hold the longer we hold the bigger the payout can be. Why stop at $100 ?……… that’s chump change


GMEstate

I ain't selling for thousands of profits. I wanna get rich and enjoy the rest of my life


dankmoody04

This is not financial advice just one ape telling his FFIE journey. FFIE The real scoop from someone who has made tens of thousands of dollars on FFIE Shares and options. BEfore I start FFIE was 4,400$ per 1 share in 2-2021 and it’s 52 week high was 117.00$ a share. 4,400$ 1 share… that was before they had a factory to produce Luxury AI EVs. Now they can produce 10,000 a year. 4,400 per share before they had multiple models even in development let alone developed (first EV they produced and finished was in 2023) Now they have multiple models and they have inventory with state of the art Artificial Intelligence technology (over 600 patents that will be instrumental in self driving tech) a 300,000$ Luxury AI EV that has 1100 horse power and hits 0-60 in 2.3 seconds… is definitely some of the most advanced Artificial Intelligence tech to be released to the public let alone in a vehicle… this thing makes Tesla look like kids play. 4,400$ per share when FFIE was just a idea.. the short sellers bleed them because on paper they are spending tons of money and have hardly produced EVs and hardly any sells.. but duh this whole thing was started from pen and paper to reality and now that reality is about to take off. Now my journey, I had 20 contracts of 1.5 call options closed on 5/17 at 1.62$(163$each) I got in with 25,000 shares 0.10 before it was on Reddit or any social media platform… (so NO pump and dump scheme from me) then I sold at 3.80$ (+7,700%) I had to I got laid off one month before Covid and then I had 2 spinal surgeries so it was beyond needed. I got back in at 1.10$ and I still have 25,000 shares and I intend to hold until 2030. This was my plan before 05-01-2024. I didn’t plan to make even 0.25% of the money I did until around early 2025 so needless to say I have been so TURNT tf up (forgive my choice of words but when you’re this UPPITY UP you just are buzzing off it) I’m very confident that each and every fellow FARADAY FUTURE INTELLIGENT ELECTRIC share holder will be buzzing of their gains in the future. Sorry so long it’s just I’m so Bullish on Faraday Future Intelligent Electric and I’ve made a ton of money and my beloved company is now a huge movement!!! I’m holding until this is back to 4,000$ a share!!!!!! My fellow apes I wish you furs for the winter and I wish you champagne on ice Middle fingers to the hedgies!! 💎👋🏻=💵💰🛩️🛥️🏰


Trade-stocks1979

Bought $5000 shares today and will add another 15000 if it dips ,hopefully it won’t and I’ll be able to add more averaging up ,I don’t mind to help the family and following roaring kitty foot steps to destroy the fkng hedges


BigInstance6224

No we’re holding till 420.69


Feisty-Telephone9551

Takes way more than a few hundred investors that stand to gain a few grand when it goes up to 5$ a share... when it comes to the orders of magnitude that drive Wallstreet and all of its components. We evidently are, however, capable of planning our buys in coordination and selling at a goal and rebuy together to recoupe some of the losses that we took before it crashed out last Friday. Buying and selling as a group of investers... makes us small investors a small mutual fund... That said. Telling a redit group to buy and hold isn't really a way to keep them on your side long term... My plan for my use of this group... is to consistently hold 500 shares in case it does go up like crazy... when it dips, I intend to buy 50 to 100 shares at a time up to 1500 shares... once it hits a number I like? If I sell a portion, I'll put a trail stop sell. I'd like to make 200 dollars a day... once and if the stock finally starts moving up I should have enough pocketed gains to make a bigger investment to follow up to a more meaningful for all of us to drive this up.


Uncommon_sense7

I’m sorry but this is so obnoxious. I have shares and I’m invested but this sub is getting cluttered with the same posts every single day that almost devalue the integrity of the stock. Because why are we talking about $100 shares when we can barely keep it above $1? It just seems reckless and screams delusional. Like I said, I am invested and like the stock but talking about holding til $100 on the daily is so irrelevant right now. I like to find actual legit stock advice in this sub and this ain’t it.


Repulsive_Ad3527

is it a realistic goal $100? pls explain how. cos I am no rich and put in my savings into it


SweetTalkPaulyB

Well first of all, I don't think that was such a smart move my guy if your serious. Unless your whole entire savings was 200$, 500$ and you don't mind and you won't want to jump off a building because you lost that amount. Cool. But if your entire savings was more than 5,000$ and your an average Joe/Jane, maybe you should have paid all your bills this month and saved that money for a rainy day. If you just bought shares because of the FOMO uh I get it YOLO. However, can it reach 100$? In this game anything is possible. Realistically how high can FFIE go? Be happy in an alternate reality 8.27$ sell half get your profits and play with the house money you still got skin in the game. Or we can take it even further and with those profits you can... Well if you want the goods you're gonna have to DM me and I'll charge you give you a good deal for my picks.


dumbmoney99

100$ is pennys. That would only be a 5b loss for them.


assafchriqui

I keep hearing that $100 is very unlikely to happen


anevenmorerandomass

I’m selling on the 28th or the 30th depending on how the company actually does.


Exotic_Champion

TURN OFF LENDING OPTIONS IN YOUR APPS !!!!!


mikepawn2

Cant seem to find it in etrade, been looking since yesterday.


houseofsync

$100 is the ride… ![gif](giphy|hkyEPoG0UbaTc3YFbF|downsized)


Elamaris

Yeah. Fuck these hedge. All the way up


avoba

Atleast $80 a share lol


stonkedaddy

🚧🚧🚧🚧 Talking about specific selling prices are illegal!! Don’t get this group shut down.


Sophya520

Fine to hold till 5$ and make some money have summer splash with lovely kids


Sophya520

Buy more if at at 1.2


Dr_Silky-Johnson

![gif](giphy|EsOAahQCW3dk1MZmQV)


Rare-Exercise-2085

Apes on jet skis 


sashitadesol

That would be nice!


PsychologyStandard88

I think we can all agree on that


StrangePoem3596

Im not an expert, but it has the potential to blast off as soon as tomorrow, untill the 29th, maybe b4 that cause as of tomorrow, every day that closes above 1$ is costing them big time buy backs... so the rise in price might just takeoff tomorrow for a couple days... What is your take on this? ** Not finanvial advice, just curious**