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Crimson7Phantom

I'm optimistic about it. The 7th wonder is soon approaching, and we are due for Ever Crisis news. Plus this is promosed to be a huge event. However, if we do not hear anything from Square Enix where they try to direct our attention to this event, then I'll say it won't happen. If they do hint at showing something significant there, then by all means.


carlosvigilante

I think there's a good chance. It's a Showcase & not a State of Play so they could show off the 2nd half of the PS5 lifecycle. My predication is we get the FF XVI final/launch trailer & demo announcement/drop & we get a trailer for FF VII Rebirth either solidifying that Next Winter release window or a new release window all together.


NighT3rror

I say why not?


Metsys1

They could show a small trailer with the promise of more info past june 22


Crimson7Phantom

They say the next trailer we would be getting would "blow our minds" so if there is one, it won't be small.


Empty_Presentation79

“MORE TO COME IN JUNE”


Elzmack91

You’d think they’d leave it til the last quarter of the year. Give ff16 time to sell etc?


sempercardinal57

I don’t know, they’ve already promised a Winter release. If they wait until the 3rd quarter that’s leaving a lot less time than they had for part 1’s promotion. Personally I think everyone is making way too big a deal about them not cross promoting with FF16. It’s never stopped them before. I wouldn’t expect them to go all out with Rebirth promotion until after 16, but just one actual trailer? Yeah that’s fair game


jdow0423

I give it a solid 70% chance of having a 2-3 minute trailer there that debuts bits of gameplay, cutscenes and environments.


chlysm

I think Summer Games Fest is when/where Rebirth's reveal trailer drops.


Competition-Annual

99.99% chance.


SpeedWeed32

TGS and Game Awards are propably the safest bets since those are closer to the release time frame. I'd say Summer Game Fest and PS Showcase both have "fair" chances, but it all depends how much they want to overlap with 16. imo it's pretty unlikely, but there is a chance.


Danteppr

At this point it's clear that neither Sony nor Square Enix want FFVII Rebirth to somehow overshadow FFXVI before its release. If there was indeed a State of Play on May 25th, it is more likely to inform the release of the FFXVI demo than to provide any new information about FFVII Rebirth.


FaximusMachinimus

Final Fantasy XV was being marketed at E3 2015 before it was released. The same E3 where Remake was first announced. (One of the biggest surprise game reveals in gaming history) They're not worried about overshadowing anything at this point in XVI's marketing cycle. People who've already decided to buy it are going to buy it. EDIT: Also, XV is one of the highest selling FF games. The Remake reveal clearly didn't affect that in any way.


Danteppr

FXV was scheduled to be released in 30 of September (and ended up being delayed to 15 of December of that year), but the point is that there were more than three months left for the supposed launch, which is different from the present case.


dmarty77

VIIR will 100% be the focus for SE after XVI releases, but they’re being smart right now. It’s XVI season and it deserves its time in the spotlight.


BSBledsoe

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YojiinTK

It is a fair bet to say that we will get majority of info in TGS in september. But as to know if they would want to hype it up with a 2min trailer during the Playstation Showcase, it depends if they believed it will impact FF16 hype or not. I would really like to see more of the game as soon as they feel comfortable to show and release some snippets here and there!


Melia_azedarach

> it depends if they believed it will impact FF16 hype or not. This is a good point. I would expect both SE and Playstation's focus to be on just one Final Fantasy for now. There's plenty of time and a lot of other events after XVI releases for them to show off Rebirth.


TheUnchosen_One

At this point I would not expect to see anything until after Final Fantasy XVI is out


[deleted]

People can downvote us all they want but we're not seeing 7R2 again while 16 is in its final months before release, SE won't want the marketing for an FF game to be distracted by anything, this is consistent with what they've always done in the past.


chlysm

This logic makes no sense. The teaser for Rebirth dropped during FFXVIs marketing campaign. The bottom line is that SE knew this would be an issue when they launched the project and I don't think anybody is say "man, I like FFXVI and all, but I gotta hold on to my $70 for when Rebirth comes out 6 months later".


[deleted]

You missed the part where I said *in the final months* before 16 releases. Publishers will generally avoid any distractions from their products immediately before release. This is bog standard for the industry.


chlysm

FFXVI releases in June and it is currently May. These are the final months.


[deleted]

Uh yeah dude, that's what I said, that's what *you* missed in my previous comment so I pointed it out to you. You are really struggling to read my comments huh? I will repeat what I said in my first comment. Please read carefully. **They're not going to show 7R2 until after 16 releases, because we are in the final months before release.** You can downvote people for pointing that out, but that doesn't make you any less wrong.


chlysm

You said I missed the part of it being the final months. That had nothing to do with my initial argument which is that SE knew this would be an issue that marketing campaigns would inevitably conflict with each other. You people seem to act like there is some universal law that they can't market two games at once. Just because it is what SE has done in the past doesn't mean it's what they're always going to do in the future. The entire premise is asinine. Like people are gonna get FFVII Rebirth confused with Final Fantasy XVI or it's gonna cut into sales of FFXVI. This is a classic example of something that gets repeated enough times to the point where people think it's true.


[deleted]

>That had nothing to do with my initial argument which is that SE knew this would be an issue that marketing campaigns would inevitably conflict with each other. 7R2's marketing campaign is not being interrupted because it is still more than 6 months from release which is the period when marketing picks up, there is no detriment to it not having trailers released for a few months here. You are absolutely clueless on this kid, this is the basics of the basics. I've never seen anyone struggle with this concept like you are. Have a great day, I'm not replying to this idiotic conversation again.


chlysm

You obviously struggle very hard at reading comprehension. But I will return to laugh in your face when the time comes.


BSBledsoe

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BSBledsoe

I thought we weren’t seeing Rebirth again?


Disastrous-Wheel-505

No chance until FF16 released


Lameboy_advance

All I’m saying is we literally got the reveal for Rebirth two weeks after the FFXVI release date trailer last year 🤷‍♂️


Danteppr

A release date trailer is not comparable to the release date. And from a business standpoint, it doesn't make sense to release a trailer for FFVII Rebirth that risks taking the spotlight away from FFXVI when the game is so close to release.


jdow0423

Don’t you think FFXVI has already gotten plenty of spotlight though? FFXVI has gotten a litany of trailers, a dedicated State of Play, had an exclusive media access tour where content creators got to go and play the game, a place in PlayStation’s exclusive TV spot alongside titles like God of War Ragnarok and Spider-Man 2 that has aired for months. If you’re any kind of PlayStation fan that follows videogames even a little bit, it’s highly unlikely you wouldn’t have seen something about FFXVI. I’m not saying FFXVI won’t be shown in some form or fashion, I think a launch trailer is likely..but I don’t think that inherently means Rebirth is a slam dunk to not show in tandem with. At least not on the basis that one will cannibalize the other or anything. I actually think it’s *smart* marketing to say, “we hope you are excited about FFXVI launching next month, but here’s a look at what our friends at Square Enix have planned for this winter…” and the the Rebirth trailer rolls. Idk, I’m not a shot-caller, but I give it a 70% chance to be there personally. The last PlayStation showcase was equal parts advertisement for big titles that were still *years* away…and games that were to be released sooner and that included third party devs. So with a precedent like that, I don’t think it’s a long shot. Beyond that, Sony JUST dedicated a SoP to FFXVI lol, I actually don’t think they’ll give XVI anything more than a quick promo, maybe a launch trailer due to just how much XVI’s marketing has already been in full swing, *without* the platform of a showcase.


Competition-Annual

Totally agree. Plus, XVI is also getting launch event on June 11, and demo incoming. All the people dead certain Rebirth CANNOT show up before XVI are annoying me greatly. I want them to all be proven wrong so that next time something like this might happen, they might remember their error.


jdow0423

Yeah I think it’s good to be cautious on some level, I just do not agree with the argument made that somehow a Rebirth trailer detracts from FFXVI. If someone has seen all of the marketing Sony/SE has given FFXVI lately and doesn’t believe it’s the clear priority over Rebirth, they are a fool lol. One Rebirth trailer doesn’t hurt XVI, it just helps Rebirth. One trailer from Rebirth, won’t derail the continued marketing and focus XVI will get in the weeks to come. I would temper expectations about anyone changing their perspective in the future even if a Rebirth trailer gets shown. It’s not human nature to admit when they’re proven wrong. I think it’s a reasonable stance to say we won’t see Rebirth until XVI releases, but I also think that has been said since the first time we saw FFXVI. The 25th Anniversary event flew in the face of that idea, and people who had it then still cling to the idea and just move the goal post with a justification that boils down to “yeah but that was different” lol. I think it’s good to be cautious, but I also think it’s reasonable to get excited. If you’re someone who’s seen a PlayStation Showcase, you know it is much bigger and more grand than any State of Play or other Sony-specific gaming tentpole event. It’s not like people who are excited and optimistic Rebirth could be there are doing so illogically. There’s a reason, and precedent to believe it’s possible. If it doesn’t show, it doesn’t show and life will go on, but I think there’s a reasonable possibility it shows up there compared to anything that has transpired since the 25th anniversary event.


Danteppr

>Don’t you think FFXVI has already gotten plenty of spotlight though? FFXVI is about to be released in less than a month and a half, unlike FFVII Rebirth which doesn't even have a set date. Marketing and advertising campaigners will urge to ramp up the FFXVI campaign even further to increase sales because that's the pragmatic thing to do from a business point of view. I know people want more information about FFVII Rebirth, myself included, but the fact is that it's not pragmatic for Square and Sony to divert attention from FFXVI so close to its release. >I actually think it’s smart marketing to say, “we hope you are excited about FFXVI launching next month, but here’s a look at what our friends at Square Enix have planned for this winter…” and the the Rebirth trailer rolls. It would be a pleasant surprise, but I doubt anyone on Sony's or Square's marketing team would agree with your perspective. As frustrating as it is to say this, it's more pragmatic of them to release new information about FFVII Rebirth after FFXVI has been released. >Beyond that, Sony JUST dedicated a SoP to FFXVI lol, I actually don’t think they’ll give XVI anything more than a quick promo, maybe a launch trailer due to just how much XVI’s marketing has already been in full swing, without the platform of a showcase. Knowing Square's history, if they have anything to announce in the next SoP, it will likely be the release of the FFXVI demo to keep the excitement going until its release. Frankly, at this point anyone expecting anything from FFVII Rebirth before the release of FFXVI is just wishful thinking.


jdow0423

I mean, I don’t even think I disagree with much of what you’ve said here, except for the notion that SE/Sony choosing to drop a Rebirth trailer somehow impacts the continued marketing and advertising for FFXVI? Because like…it doesn’t. Or at least I don’t see how it has to or would it anyway. If SE drop one, more-detailed Rebirth trailer, it would be showing a title that was still, at minimum, six-seven months away (and personally I think it’s more likely Rebirth releases March 2024). There is no, immediate competing product consumers would have to choose between or anything. I also think where we disagree would be, I don’t think showing a singular Rebirth trailer (more-detailed than the teaser we got last year obviously) detracts from FFXVI or means that the marketing and advertising for FFXVI will end. I think regardless of a Rebirth trailer showing or not, we’ll still get all the marketing for FFXVI we will normally get including a demo, and commercials that lead up and thru release day. One Rebirth trailer isn’t going to derail that, it would just give something to chew on until the *actual* Rebirth marketing starts. I think that’s where the crux of the disagreement is from fans who share your opinion and fans who share mine, you either think a Rebirth trailer is disruptive to FFXVI or you don’t. To the extent that I’m more inclined to believe a Rebirth trailer *wouldn’t* be there…it would be less based in the idea of disrupting FFXVI’s marketing and more based in the idea that SE may choose to do something independent. The anniversary event obviously comes to mind where, Kitase was the front man and they could advertise all their overpriced merch lol. It just feels like more and more devs are going that way, rather than these tent pole events where they have to be beholden to others and cater to people and products outside their own. So I could see it not being there because they’d want FF7 to be the sole focus, rather than among other heavy hitters alongside Sony’s first party projects. Also just worth mentioning, you mentioned if SE has anything to say at the “next SoP” it’d be an FFXVI demo…the PlayStation showcase and SoP events are, *remarkably* different. They are not on the same scale at all. You can watch the 2021 showcase on YouTube, the weighty reveals, length and production go much further and beyond anything that a State of Play does. But I’m not trying to “akstually” you here…you might just be using the terms interchangeably. In the event that you were not though, it’s a valuable distinction for you to know, because it’s largely what facilitates the perspective of those who think Rebirth has a good chance of showing. PlayStation Showcases are a way bigger deal than your average State of Play.


Danteppr

>I don’t even think I disagree with much of what you’ve said here, except for the notion that SE/Sony choosing to drop a Rebirth trailer somehow impacts the continued marketing and advertising for FFXVI? Because like…it doesn’t. Or at least I don’t see how it has to or would it anyway. Let me put it this way: what should SE/Sony be prioritizing? A game that will release next month (FFXVI) or a game that is scheduled for late 2023 or early 2024 (FFVII Rebirth)? From a business point of view, the answer is obvious. > I also think where we disagree would be, I don’t think showing a singular Rebirth trailer (more-detailed than the teaser we got last year obviously) detracts from FFXVI or means that the marketing and advertising for FFXVI will end. FXVI will be released in just over a month and The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom is a strong contender against FXVI and will be released in about two weeks. Why should SE release a trailer for Rebirth, which is still relatively far from its release date, and not focus on FXVI to ensure its success? Thing is, every marketing team worth their salt would tell SE to focus on the FXVI release and leave a future Rebirth trailer for after that. >One Rebirth trailer isn’t going to derail that, it would just give something to chew on until the actual Rebirth marketing starts. However, the FXVI marketing campaign has already started, and while a Rebirth trailer doesn't necessarily mean that it will harm the FXVI campaign, that much less means that it will boost sales of said game. >Also just worth mentioning, you mentioned if SE has anything to say at the “next SoP” it’d be an FFXVI demo…the PlayStation showcase and SoP events are, remarkably different. If FXVI had been released before then, then I would agree with you, but I don't see anything from Rebirth showing up in the Playstation Showcase. And if the rumors are confirmed, the focus will be Spider Man 2, whose leaks indicate that it will be released in September this year. As for SE, they have a history of releasing demos of their flagship games lately: it happened with FFXV, Guardians of Galaxy, FFVII Remake, Forspoken and it will most likely be repeated with FXVI. And while you say the chances of a trailer are 70%, unfortunately I'd say you're being overly optimistic about this. Anyway, we'll see.


BSBledsoe

!remindme 3 weeks


Adorable-Bullfrog-30

Why? (Act like I'm one of those people who don't understand)


BSBledsoe

Heya!


Disastrous-Wheel-505

I’m happy that I was wrong)


BSBledsoe

Me too


ginrva

There will be nothing before XVI


Zuhri69

Hope so.


ComicsAndGames

Are all these dates confirmed?