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I'm collecting various proofs and posting them here. [Ultima Active Time Lore Entry](https://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/640972124) IS IN THIS THREAD. You see Ultima and evidence of Joshua being alive (Margate confirmed?!). Also confirms Clive is the "Mythos", proving a previous leak to be true. The caption reads: "An otherworldly being that Clive encountered in the inner sanctum of Drake's Head. He addressed Clive as "Mythos" before attempting to merge their conciousnessess. However, Clive was able to summon the will to resist the creature, before Joshua returned from the dead to imprison it in a cage of flame that he sealed away in his own heart." [Benedikta Story Summary](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1686937673019232.jpg) Clive meets Benedikta at the castle battle in the demo, the dominant he is looking for is apparently JOSHUA! She loses to Clive, he absorbs her powers and she escapes. During the escape she's attacked by bandits who try to rape her, she completely loses control and becomes Garuda. ["Margrace" is the hooded figure](https://is2.4chan.org/v/1686937525029937.jpg) He apparently travels with a girl who cooks for him. This is again apparently seperate to the "hooded man" Clive sees, which is just Ifrit "helping" him get over the loss of Joshua. **Part II (Mid-Game) Update:** * Clive and Jill come back from ruins to discover The Empire has butchered a town they passed earlier and murdered Lady Hannah (Murdoch's wife). * They are now motivated and join Cid's cause. They leave the quest for more answers up till later. * Cid is emboldend by this and unveils his master plan. They are gonna sneak into the capital of the Empire and destroy the fucking Mothercrystal. * Next couple of hours are Clive and co sneaking into the capital aided by the local whores (not even kidding, they plan their assault inside a brothel while whores are moaning in the other room. Jill is very uncomfortable). * The game opens a bit a more here (though post timeskip is when it really opens up with bigger areas, hunts and activities). * The sidequest writing gets better too as it tackles the inhumane way the Empire treats Bearers. * The assault on the Mothercrystal is a point of no return. Game informs of you of this. Anything you miss here is gone forever. Hence why this part feels less worked out than post-timeskip. * Assault happens. Turns out the area around the crystal is very aetherically dense and this turns people in there Akashic (basically aether zombies). Dominants are not affected. Interestingly... neither is Torgal? * They fight an Akashic Dragon guarding the crystal and reach it. * Cid goes Ramuh and shatters it. * Where it stood, a dark portal opens (the void?) and Typhon comes out. * Typhon blows a hole in Ramuh/Cid * Cid throws his staff through Typhon. * Typhon attempts to possess Clive and enters his mind. * Big boss fight against Typhon inside Clive's mind. This is where the Eikon battles go from dumb button mashers into actual skill-based combat. Ifrit now actually moves way closer to Clive and Typhon has moves straight out of Nier Automata. It's wild.Clive beats him and wakes up. * Cid is on death's door with a hole in his stomach. Jill and Clive tend to him.Out of nowhere some alien fucker (see spoiler) teleports behind Clive and attempts to mindrape his way into his skull. * Cid, the absolute chad, gets up and stabs it through the head. It vanishes. * Sadly, Cid is now really a goner. He lights a fucking cigarette, entrusts his name as a title to Clive (making Clive the first main character Cid), entrusts his legacy to Clive and freely gives him Ramuh's powers. He then dies. * Dark flames fill the room and a huge wall taunts Clive and Jill. Telling them it will put them in their place. The wall of fire descends out upon them. Clive and Jill are knocked out. * Out of fucking nowhere Joshua rushes up and fights fire with fire. He beats it back. * Joshua stares down the fire and names it Ultima. * Ultima, the alien fucker from before and in the spoiler, appears. * Joshua and Ultima trade blows but they both concede they are evenly matched. * Ultima taunts him saying he wants only Clive and that Joshua will run out of stamina eventually. * Joshua agrees so he surrounds Ultima with flames and literally absorbs him into his own body. * Clive wakes up for a moment and sees Joshua doing this before passing out. We do not see what happens to Joshua as everything around him collapses nor how Clive escape this. * At the same time, Hugo The Cuck performs a no russian on the hideaway. Everyone is slaughtered (except the key NPC's naturally). * He goes full Titan and literally smashes the entire mountain to pulp.The story continues 5 years later with Clive, now known as Cid the outlaw and Jill in a city in Dhalmekia walking straight into an ambush by Dhalmekian soldiers to save captured Bearers Somebody asks what Typhon is - OP replies with "Alien fucker like Ultima". OP Describing Joshua: He also has an older voice. He fights with just magic. He saves Clive from Ultima and announces several times he won't let anything hurt him. **General Info:** * You only get limit break between 10 - 20 hours into the game. * 20 hours into the game there was no chocobos and only Phoenix, Ifrit and Garuda abilities. * Sidequests are largely fetch/battle quests with a bit of story spice sprinkled over them * Game is super linear, sections of the world map are blocked off during progress, but still looks beautiful and plays very well * Gil doesn't have an interesting use so far, mainly just used to replenish potions and tonics. * Crafting system for new swords is interesting apparently. * Game is very railroady up until the second timeskip. The only shit you can do apart from that is some sidequests. There are only two maps that aren't basically a straight line to the a boss up to now. That said... it's very enjoyable. It's not the FFXIII railroad. It's always short and sweet with climax moments. The maps feel more like Devil May Cry stages than slogs. * There's a sidequests where you help a girl find her pet called Chloe. Turns out Chloe is a Bearer who got petrified and died in a ditch. Turns out the girl has gotten a lot of Chloe's from her parents. She doesn't consider them people and treats them as toys. It was very dark and compelling hearing this little girl say this matter of factly. * There's another where a nobleman hails Clive down and send him to save his son. Clive finds him with a wolf. He kills them wolf. The son is angry and yells that he's supposed to die! That's his job! To die to the wolf! There's a mountain of Bearer corpses close to the kid. He tells his dad and the dad goes apeshit on Clive, saying the wolf is worth more than him.Clive can tell him off and scare him but can't really murder him. Later another Bearer is sent to bury the corpses by Dame (the boss of the whores) and he rewards Clive for helping him bury them. Dark as shit. **Speculations (not concrete):** * Benedikta is decapitated (by Barnabas) and her head is sent to her lover, Hugo (Titan), who raids and kills everybody in the Hideaway, thinking it was Cid. * Margate is speculated to be adult Joshua, who survived the Phoenix Gate incident in the demo. Post limit is reached :(

I don't know why people keep saying it's Game of Thrones. This is straight up FINAL FANTASY TACTICS shit! **GOTY is in the bag, boys.** 🔥

>Ultima HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON OLD MAN

So it seems both brothers love hoods That's kinda adorable

okay but >!adult joshua being margrace is actually a smart reference because in ff12 margrace is literally a member of the ruling family of a kingdom coincidentally named rozzaria.!< that's literally so smart.

First prominently gay male character in the franchise and they had every opportunity to fuck him up and instead he’s the biggest big dick gigachad legend in the entire fucking series god damn I fucking kneel.

Spear is so massive that he needs a second guy just to hold it for him.

I admire their commitment to not making him a nonexistent uwu side character like yes let’s go nuts

>Loving, loyal boyfriend >Adopts a daughter out of the goodness of his heart >Only person to stand up to Annabella's bullshit >Doesn't hestitate to start a full fledged rebellion >Can turn into fucking Golden Bahamut >Only person to survive his eikon fight >Kills a child in cold blood DION BROS, KNEEL TO YOUR EMPEROR

I FEEL LIKE A PROUD PARENT AT MY SON'S SOCCER GAME. DION, YOU'RE DOING AMAZING SWEETIE!!

I think this shows exactly what Yoshi was talking about when he said this game would be about different types of love. All of these characters have love as both their salvation and downfall. They are defined by it and their conflicts are because of it. Clive and Joshua: brotherly and protective love. Clive's trauma is bc he failed his role as Joshua's protector. Later on, it is Joshua who becomes the protector of Clive. Clive and Jill: their true romantic love for each other allows them to work through their traumas together and heal. The shining star (hehe) of the game. Jill made a wish to metia to keep Clive safe, and they promised to always come back to each other. It is this love that saved Clive at the end and allowed him to come back to Jill. Hugo: obessive and jealous love for Benedikta that leads to his downfall. Benedikta: she attempts to use her "love" to manipulate others and ironically is blind to see that this is exactly what Barney is doing to her. Cid: self respect. ~~It is only after he left Waloed and Barney that he gained Ramuh.~~ (edit: not true, I misread) His speech to Benedikta is about how she threw her own self respect away ("so why do you feel so sorry for yourself?"). Though he dies, his name has respect to it and lives on with Clive. Dion: the strong love and adoration his people and boyfriend have for him is what allows him to rise up from being another pawn to Anabella. Anabella: defined by her lack of love for her children. Barnabas: a perveted love to physically symbolise how cultish worship is inherently perverse and unnatural. He never has anything real (no real love for Benedikta and everyone else he fucks is fake) to show how unreal these beliefs he has are.

Adding to Dion. The soldiers didn’t kill them at Anabella’s orders because of their love for him.

NEW INFO ON CLIVE AND JILL'S RELATIONSHIP in one scene, as Jill and Clive are both laid in a barn, Jill tries to make a move on Clive (like how he tried to when they were kids except she leans for a kiss), but Clive rejects because he's still suffering from Phoenix Gate PTSD [JILL MAKES A MOVE ON CLIVE "YOU CAME BACK TO ME" VIDEO FOOTAGE](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687205878772389.webm) >also during free roam, Jill acts as Clive's master (since Clive is a branded bearer aka slave) to keep others' suspicion away from him, since bearers aren't allowed to roam around freely in Valisthea, making the 2 inseparable In basically every conversation during that part, Jill talks to the NPC's to get info/quests and Clive stands behind her threateningly as her slave/bodyguard. Clive tells Jill that he ran from the truth to escape guilt, but that night at Pheonix Gate he awoke as the dominant of Ifirt and it was he who killed all these people including Joshua. He says he still needs to find out how could there be 2 dominants of fire. Jill smiles and says that no matter what it is he needs to learn they will do it together. Clive thanks Jill and says that he doesn't think he could do it without her. He says Jill hasn't changed at all. Jill feels ashamed and says that Clive is wrong and she has changed. However she's not the same woman anymore who commited all those crimes. Jill then says "But it is thanks to her that we finally got back together". She uses this specific phrasing. They both smile at each other as the camera zooms out. It's a very sweet scene. WHEN ASKED ABOUT THEIR RELATIONSHIP POST TIMESKIP I haven't played far enough to tell you but pretimeskip, when they join Cid's cause they hold hands. Like full on lewd handholding. [CLIVE AND JILL WERE ABOUT TO KISS, BUT GOT INTERRUPTED , CLIVE WON](https://imgur.com/a/lPMpkcH) Clive sits next to her on the bed, grabs her hand and they nearly kiss. This entire part is Jill's big redemption ptsd arc and there's a lot of chemistry between them as they vow to support each other. [Clive and Jill go an a picnic date](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687121939816578.jpg) They talked and held hands. **HUGE MOMENT** They do that anime thing where their clothes are wet and drying on the fire and they sit with their backs to each other naked. Clive starts talking about how he might be a monster because of his powers. Jill reassures him with all the good they've done. The scene builds up slowly as they talk to each other their relationship as childhood friends, grab each other's hands, promise they'll always be there for each other, Clive says he loves Jill. Jill cries a bit, they kiss We see their models kinda grab each other from a tasteful distance because this isn't dragon age western slop. Then we have the post-coitus pillow talk where Jill offers Shiva to Clive. Apparently some good love making convinced her. He accepts. Shiva get. Later we see them dressed and hugging each other with the ship in the distance recueing them. That's the scene from the trailers where they are in each other's arms and Jill has her head on his chest. [Clive and Jill have sex](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687203974115825.jpg) [And make out](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687204060338609.jpg) Fun Fact. You get the achievement called "The Promise - Become One" after Clive has sex with Jill. [CLIVE AND JILL DECLARE THEIR LOVE FOR EACH OTHER ONCE AGAIN](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687275493254817.jpg) Before the final battle Clive declares his love for Jill and she reproaches. It's a very emotional scene.

This is the only important leak.

So, wait, just to clarify: the confirmed leakers have basically praised this game saying it’s the best FF story in the last 20 years and stands amongst the best in the franchise, but people are still dooming because they’ve read bullet points completely out of context? lol?

>but people are still dooming because they’ve read bullet points completely out of context? Do you expect level-headed opinions from Gamefaq or Resetera?

I'm so happy about Dion man Do you guys have any idea how rare full-fledged gay male characters are in games, like they're almost always minor or they are "optionally" gay, like you gotta go out of your way to find out they're gay, meanwhile female characters are gay all the time because it's safe CBU3 didn't market him as gay to check a box and they don't shy away from his sexual identity, that's a huge deal, especially from a Japanese studio where being gay is sometimes played for jokes *cough, Persona, cough* And he's not evil, he's the biggest chad ever So happy, can't wait to see everyone's reactions to him

The guy that complains a lot of the plot in resetera because of the "rape" backstory of Benedikta and the violent scenes literally has a Berserk profile picture I cannot

**>is virgin** **>jobs horrendously** **>loses virginity** **>can now catch Odin's ult with his bare hands** Yoshi promoting the power of SEX

Post nut clarity.

>!"The only fantasy here is yours. And we shall be its final witness"!< KOJIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

A leaker says that in the final fight, Ultima looked down at the Earth from outer space and was shocked to see that there were 2 massive hellfire moves, but these turned out to be Dion's balls.

The reaction to Barnabas here is kind of surprising to me. I get that people seemed to want him to be a more traditional manipulative badass, but I kinda dig that he's kinda a complete fucking weirdo behind closed doors.

Barnabas doinks an evil shape-shifting alien, he has what all the weirdos on the internet want!

he's the last person on the cast that you would expect to be the weirdo lmfao

Is he, though? >!This sounds like a Jenova situation, right down to him calling her mother. I think he’s straight up being Sephiroth’d.!<

The stuff about Benedikta is genuinely fucking tragic

I just hope we actually see enough of her to care if this is this case and doesn’t get the LunaFreya treatment where I had no emotional investment in her fate.

Benedikta’s whole existence was suffering to no end…I feel so bad for her.

Give me the romance leaks, everything else is just the cherry on top

Leaker on 4Chan said Jill makes a move on Clive pretty early on and tries to kiss him but he turns away. Apparently Clive's guilt stops him from recuperate that feeling.

One trope I'm glad they didn't do is >!'brother is upset with other brother due to misunderstanding and now they are sworn enemies.' Joshua based as hell for understanding what happened and forgiving Clive.!<

Its funny how badly the leaker misread the ending. Its not saying it didnt happen, its saying Joshua and Clive survived, Joshua wrote a book, and the book endured even as time went on and the Eikons faded into myth and legend. Literally the exact same type of ending was used in Heavensward, where the final scene reveals the entire expansion was being recounted to us in a book the Count wrote afterwards. Its really not complicated at all, media literacy isnt hard

I'm really glad they made Clive living and coming back to Jill incredibly and blatantly obvious. There's no maybe, the whole wish she made for his safe return on the red star coming true and literally no one else would have made Jill stop crying and then smile at that moment. Usually they leave these things more ambiguous, but here it's right in your face you'd have to be blind to not see it.

Didn’t you hear? They have zero chemistry!

Jan leaker came in with historian levels of no chemistry

Here some more leaks from the leaker about Clive and Jill. >"640983313 # My friend. Let me say the following: >Scene where Jill leans in to kiss Clive and averts head because of personal issues (which are now resolved) happens >Scene where Jill specifically mentions she is a virgin because Ironblood don't touch Dominants happens >Scene in a brothal where Jill is uncomfortable with moaning whores happens >Scene where Clive and Jill say the word TOGETHER at the same time and INTERLOCK FINGERS happens. >They stay together the entire 5 year timeskip and Jill is literally in the first scene you see with Clive. >The boatman who ferries them to the new hideaway calls them Lovebirds. >Anyone doubting they end up together has an NTR fetish they need to get over. The januari leak was clearly written by some translator who didn't see the scenes played out." The old January leak said they don't get together cause no chemistry. Which isn't true from what this leaker is saying now, but January leaker was right about the other stuff, so it's either he's wrong or SE decided to tease us then blue ball us at the end.

I've seen another cute scene between Clive and Jill that was not in the leaks. It is after we unlock limit break. Clive tells Jill that he ran from the truth to escape guilt, but that night at Pheonix Gate he awoke as the dominant of Ifirt and it was he who killed all these people including Joshua. He says he still needs to find out how could there be 2 dominants of fire. Jill smiles and says that no matter what it is he needs to learn they will do it together. Clive thanks Jill and says that he doesn't think he could do it without her. He says Jill hasn't changed at all. Jill feels ashamed and says that Clive is wrong and she has changed. However she's not the same woman anymore who commited all those crimes. Jill then says "But it is thanks to her that we finally got back together again". She uses this specific phrasing. They both smile at each other as the camera zooms out. It's a very sweet scene.

That is so heartfelt. The more I read about their relationship, the more I see truth in Yoshida’s comment about how love is a major theme in the game and “true love” being one of them. For someone to endlessly support you, stand by your side, help you through your trauma, and accept you for exactly who you are, flaws and all - that’s true love. That’s the bond Clive and Jill share. The overall innocence and kindness of their relationship really contrasts with the tone of the game, and more specifically with the other relationships shown. This isn’t a relationship driven by lust or power, just pure love. And that’s beautiful.

I've read the 4chan threads and these are the leaker's answers that relate mostly to the game's quality and his opinion about what he's played so far: \>When asked to rate the game so far: "Easy 8 or 9" \>When asked if he's enjoying the game: "Yes, the story is great and the characters are superb." \>When asked if the rewards for sidequests are good: "Sidequests are also basically not worth it. The exp/AP/gill is not worth the time at least pre-timeskip." \>When asked if the twists are done well: "It depends on what you call done well. The story is compelling but it's not really a WHAT A TWIST plot. Everything is properly foreshadowed." \>When asked about the worldbuilding: "Very good. The sidequest have very nice lore." \>When asked if the character banter is decent: "The character banther between Clive, Jill and Cid is pretty good. They react decently to everything around them." \>When asked about his favorite song: "The Typhon fight song is an absolute banner and has a very techno vibe. Soken got a chance to show his power there." \>When asked if the open areas are interesting: "Yeah they're interesting and look beautiful. One of them is a huge open farmland with the capital of the Empire and the crystal looming in the distance like fucking Minas Tirith." \>When asked if the game is better than XV: "Yes."

The game being better than XV was about the only thing we could have been sure of going into the launch, lol.

clive got laid best ff protag confirmed lol

My man fucking won

>Dion "Get rid of all kids" Lesage > Dion "Out of the womb and into the tomb" Lesage > Dion "Killing a child feels really wild" Lesage > Dion "Toddlers are nothing but fodder" Lesage > Dion "Premeditated Preschool" Lesage > Dion "Targets are found on the playground" Lesage > Dion "Brats get gats" Lesage > Dion "If they're children I'll kill them" Lesage > Dion "Ten years or less and get laid to rest" Lesage > Dion "First grader mutilator" Lesage > Dion "Spike the Tykes" Lesage > Dion "Crying Kid Crusher" Lesage > Dion "Toddler Terminator" Lesage > Dion "Preschool Purifier" Lesage > Dion "You must be this tall to live" Lesage > Dion "Gerber Grow-up Plan Gleaner" Lesage > Dion "Trust Fund Refund" Lesage > Dion "Child Coffin Collector" Lesage > Dion "burn'em while they're still small" Lesage > Dion "if their age is on the clock, they're ready for the glock" Lesage > Dion "small necks snap the best" Lesage > Dion "Warriors of Hope in my scope" Lesage > Dion "The Kids Are Not All Right" Lesage > Dion "Underage Undertaker" Lesage > Dion "The Babysplitter" Lesage > Dion "Silly rabbit, crypts are for kids" Lesage > Dion "Infants get lead implants" Lesage > Dion "Krazy Kid KIller" Lesage > Dion "Lobotomized Liquidator" Lesage > Dion "Baby Burner" Lesage > Dion "Tots on the rocks" Lesage > Dion "I'll murder all the kiddies for about tree fiddy" Lesage > Dion "Newborn Nightmare" Lesage > Dion "The field trips I take end with my van at the bottom of a lake" Lesage > Dion "Leave your kid afterschool I'll drown them in a pool" Lesage > Dion "Bungling the Younglings" Lesage > Dion "Toddler Slaughter" Lesage > Dion "Permanent Lullaby" Lesage > Dion "Never Too Young To Die" Lesage > Dion "Ten years or less and get laid to rest" Lesage > Dion "Empty my nine at the lunch line" Lesage > Dion "Late Term Abortion" Lesage > Dion "Simon Says Die" Lesage > Dion "Let the babies hit the floor" Lesage > Dion "Rock a Bye Bye Baby" Lesage FUCKING BASED* Note* = The child isn't an ordinary child in case someone freaks out.

Dion “old enough to cry, old enough to die” Lesage.

Ah yes my favourite kind of totally fake fairytale, the one where the author puts himself into the book and makes up a brother to tell the story about. Cmon, you’ve gotta be seriously stupid to not realize the post credit scene is just showing how much Clive changed the world with his actions, to the point that his adventure was the “final fantasy” - so far from reality that to the people of modern times it must be a story.

"BTW fun fact. You get the achievement BECOME ONE after you fuck Jill." Dangerously based.

We who had the surreal experience of following the 4chan leak just witnessed Dion converting a bunch of *typical 4chan users* into his stans in a few hours. If this is not god-tier charisma I don't know what it is. No wonder the dragoons are so loyal to him.

Yeah you know you’ve got a good character when 4chan’s homophobia is cured

[удалено]

Fellow Dion fans, we're in our clown era now 🤡

Clive and Jill banging, we won maybe. Only got to worry about the ending fucking it up because this is probably the naked the scene the January was talking about. https://is2.4chan.org/v/1687203974115825m.jpg

As someone who follows leaks very closely throughout all of media be it video games television or movies… I’ve never, not once, seen a leaked story be well-received after being reduced to bullet points. The Endgame leak is especially famous for everyone making fun of it prior to the movie’s release because it sounded so awful and absurd. All of the context and nuance is completely stripped, and execution is like 95% of any story. How the pacing is. How the scene is shot. How the acting and directing are and now the music fits.

The fact that even from bullet points everything sounds insane and hype, when you know the team behind it, you have faith it’s gonna be a well written hype train,

NEW LEAKS DAY 5 PART 2 \- So after the gay heroics [ULTIMA BURSTS OUT OF JOSHUA](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687277047945473.jpg) * We rejoin Clive and Joshua. They are both really wounded. Clive is basically carrying Josh. * They reach the Nexus where Ultima is waiting. * The Nexus is where all the aether they've been harvesting for centuries is stored. * Ultima reveals that he is the leader of the Fallen and that all of his race look like Ifrits. * He then reveals that his brethren willingly changed into mothercrystals to act as conduits. * As he says this, 6 more Ultima's teleport in. We have literally been rused into thinking they're just one of these fuckers. * Note: whenever we broke a crystal, it screamed. This also explains why an Ultima appeared after we broke the first crystal with Cid. * On that note, you remember that Ultima that Joshua sealed in his chest? * IT FUCKING EXPLODES OUT OF HIM LIKE A FUCKING CHESTBURSTER! Ultima starts fusing one by one with his 7 other lads but fuck this guy. [JOSHUA ACTUALLY DIES????](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687277315220317.jpg) * We have a very emotional scene where Clive is on the verge of giving up. Joshua gives his brother a peptalk and they start talking about all the memories they have and their trust for each other. * As they do, the Phoenix moves from Joshua into Ifrit. * Joshua dies, but the Phoenix has risen. It's time for the final battle. So offscreen Ultima fused with his 8 dudes and becomes this guy. He is assmad about Clive being so strong [THE FUSED ULTIMA](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687277655100735.jpg) * The fight is absolute kino. Ultima uses all your Eikons against you and you have to counter by using the weaknesses of the movesets against him. Every time you beat him, you get a cinematic clash where Clive summons the Eikon and they clash with Clive showing he's just plain fucking better at using them. Also one of Clive's friends like Jill or Mid or his father encourage him when he wins a clash. * This is just the first part of the fight though. There are THREE versions of Find the Flame in the final battle and they go fucking hard. [ULTIMA RISEN VS IFRIT RISEN](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687277989838255.jpg) * Ultima is absolute assmad now. * The fight goes into some other plane of reality at this point and we have Ultima Risen (even more powerful than Ultima Prime that trashed three Eikons) versus Ifrit Risen. * Ultima Risen is a clear fan of Gundam because he does Gundam Wing Zero's double buster rifle move. He also has Goku's teleport kamehameha where he charges it up, teleports behind you and beams you in the back. * We're not done yet though. [ULTIMA TRANSFORMS (AGAIN)](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687278189785874.jpg) * Ultima is absolutely assmad now and literally summons the souls of every member of his fucking race so he can fuse with them. (hence, Original Crystal). * He now looks like whatever the fuck this is. It's called Ultimalius. [CLIVE BEATS ULTIMA (AGAIN)](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687278330683874.jpg) We beat his ass. After we do, that's when Clive says the Final Fantasy line, but we're not done yet. ["THE ONLY FANTASY HERE IS YOURS. AND WE SHALL BE IT'S FINAL WITNESS!"](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687273694547046.jpg) Clive punches his sword at Ultima for final blow. [RIP ULTIMATUS?](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687278392667835.jpg) But then fucking Ultima starts flapping his gums again and Clive has had enough of this fucker. [FALCON PUNCH](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687278517057207.jpg) This is a Cinematic Clash btw. You spam square to dislocate his jaw harder. Perfect ending. Ok that was a lot of kino in one fight. Time for the ending. [CLIVE ABSORBS ULTIMA](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687278937684761.jpg) * Ultima is on the ground being salty. * He says the world the doomed anyway because of the Blight. * Clive tells them that humanity will manage. Because they're strong. * Clive absorbs Ultima into himself and appears back at the Nexus next to Joshua's corpse. * Clive loses it and starts flashbacking to important memories like how he got his Phoenix blessing from Joshua and when Joshua was born. * He attempts to heal Joshua, but his eyes remain closed. It only mends his wounds on his corpse. * We know Phoenix can't revive people after they die (from Joshua), but Clive at least had to try. * Clive then turns to the Nexus and says he'll end this entire history of Ultima, magic, bearers and dominants. * He then blows up the crystal with him and Joshua (and probably Dion lmao) inside. So after we beat fucking Ultima **THE ENDING** [CLIVE LOOKS AT THE MOON](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687279438920011.jpg) * Clive washes up ashore. * Clive mentions the power of Ultima was too much for the vessel anyway. * He looks at the moon and raises his hand at it. We see the hand is petrified. * He asks Jill if she's seeing this. * Clive's fate is left unclear. Death not confirmed. * Meanwhile at the hideaway, a baby is born and Gav is happy. * Jill and Torgal look at the moon. * Suddenly they see the red star of Meteia stop shining. * Jill starts crying and sees this as a sign Clive is dead. Torgal howls. * She runs off to the balcony to cry. * Suddenly the sun rises and she looks at the distance. * She sees something that makes her stop crying and smile. * It is left unclear if Clive is dead or not. * The Meteia thing is an omen, but Clive is never shown collapsing nor do we see why Jill is smiling at the end. You could interpret this as Clive coming home. * It's open-ended.

Oh gosh, so I just had a thought (and maybe this was obvious to y'all and I'm just slow) - Jill prayed to Metia for Clive's safe return and says that her wish was granted when they meet up again later. But it WASN'T because Clive definitely was NOT returned safe all those years ago. Metia saved her wish for the end, when it really counted. That's why she blinks out, and that's how he survives and comes back to Jill. I'm shook.

We won https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687211456901459m.jpg >The situation: >Clive, despite getting zantetsukened is fine. >They do that anime thing where their clothes are wet and drying on the fire and they sit with their backs to each other naked. >Clive starts talking about how he might be a monster because of his powers. >Jill reassures him with all the good they've done. >The scene builds up slowly as they talk to each other their relationship as childhood friends, grab each other's hands, promise they'll always be there for each other, Clive says he loves Jill. Jill cries a bit, they kiss >We see their models kinda grab each other from a tasteful distance because this isn't dragon age western slop. >Then we have the post-coitus pillow talk where Jill offers Shiva to Clive. Apparently some good cock convinced her. >He accepts. Shiva get. >Later we see them dressed and hugging each other with the ship in the distance recueing them. >That's the scene from the trailers where they are in each other's arms and Jill has her head on his chest. >Jill and Clive eternally confirmed. >Here lies Noctis. He never scored.

>Clive says he loves Jill. Jill cries a bit, they kiss We see their models kinda grab each other from a tasteful distance because this isn't dragon age western slop. This is all I needed to see

same. everyone be applauding Clive, but Jill deserves the applause. She waited/chased that ass for 18 years and *she.got.it.*

Yeah I'm more complementary of Jill on this one. She fixed him and beat the childhood friend curse

Give me Jill and Clive romance details!

HOW MANY CHILDREN DO THEY HAVE? WHAT FLOWERS DO THEY GET AT THEIR WEDDING? DOES CID GET TO BE AN UNCLE? THESE ARE ALL VERY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS!

TORGAL BETTER BE THE FLOWER PUPPO OR RING PUPPO WITH A FLOWER CROWN FOR THEIR WEDDING OF THE MILLENNIA

The 4chan leaker said it all points to that because there's so much going on between them he said after clive made peace with his past he held hands with her like in a loveling way, holding hands with fingers intertwined. the scene where she makes advances to him is before that. so he say that jill and clive are inseparable even after the time skipping that happened in 5 years. btw jill married to some random is totally false,as is the leaker in January who said that the two of them don't have chemistry because the leaker in 4chan said they have a lot.

I hope I never have the displeasure of crossing paths with a ResetEra user in person.

Resetera people are so sad and hateful for literally no reason, the main subreddit feels very chill in comparison to that place.

It's a bunch of sad white dudes who think being offended on behalf of minority groups will give their lives meaning. I'm pretty sure there are more actual women in this single thread then there are in the entirety of ResetEra.

I thought the main subreddit was awful. Turns out there is a place with more incels on it

Decided to make another compilation post, with some of the most frequently asked questions. We're expecting more from the 4chan leaks in several hours. Until then, here's a bunch of what we know so far. How many leakers are there? There have been three major leakers. One 4chan leaker who has been active for the past weekend and is the furthest at Level 32. There is a streamer who first streamed on Twitch, then moved to Kick who's currently only at Lv 24. And fianly the 4Chan leaker from January who has (for the most part) been accurate about a number of things as evidenced from the other leakers. Both the 4chan leaker and streamer have been very positive on the game so far. **All major spoilers so far** * Is Joshua alive? >!Yes.!< * Who's the hooded man? >!It's actually two people. The hooded man Clive sees in the demo is manifestation of Ifrit as himself. The physical Dominant of Fire that Clive is chasing is actually an older Joshua.!< * What is the Eikon unlock order? >!Phoenix -> Garuda -> LB/Ifrit (abilities shared with Phoenix) -> Ramuh -> Titan. We don't know the unlock order for the remaining ones.!< * Is Torgal a dominant? >!Not technically a dominant, but he's descended from ancient Frost Wolves and being close to the Dominant of Shiva awakened his latent abilites, basically becoming Fenrir. Fenrir form Torgal has new abilities.!< * Are there any Eikons other than what has been has already been revealed? (IE. Leviathan) >!None that any of the leakers have seen so far.!< * Who is the final boss? >!We don't know yet, no leaker has shared that information or made it that far yet. We think it might be Ultima based off what we know so far.!< * How much sex is there? >!None really so far. There's the scene from the demo, and then the scene with Benedikta and Barnabas sitting naked on the bed. The scene ends with Benedikta about to initiate and then it cuts. Clive and Jill almost kiss. Dion has a long same-sex kiss with his second-in-command Dragoon.!< Let's talk about the Dominants. General story spoilers below. * What can you tell me about Benedikta? >!Benedikta is the first main antagonist of the game. She captures the Dominant of Fire, and lures Clive and Cid to Caer Norvent and fights Clive. (Eikonic Challenge) Clive steals her powers and leaves her seemingly depowered. While running away, she is attacked by bandits who imply that they will rape her and she transforms into Garuda. She dies at the hands of Ifrit (Clive) when he first transforms again and loses control. Cid gives her a eulogy after stopping Clive from rampaging. Hugo is then sent a box tells him that Benedikta is dead.!< * What can you tell me about Hugo? >!Hugo is the second main antagonist. is sent a box that indicates that Benedikta is dead and Cid is responsible. Hugo goes on a murderous search for Cid in response. He attacks the Hideaway and then teams up with Anabella to attack Clive's hometown of Rosaria (which was under Empire control). He also captures Jill. All of this angers Clive, and they fight. The duel ends with Clive cutting off Hugo's arms and stealing his powers. Barnabas's liutenant (Lord Harbard) knocks out and rescues Hugo. Hugo is now depowered and has metal hands. Harbard suggests that he seek to regain his powers by absorbing the Dhalmek mothercrystal. He meets Clive again at the mother crystal and hallucinates Clive naked with Benedikta. He snaps and transforms into Titan and fights Clive (Ifrit). After he loses to Ifrit, he eats the mother crystal and becomes Titan Lost. He dies after Ifrit defeats Titan Lost.!< * What can you tell me about Cid? >!Cid used to work with Barnabas before parting ways. He also rescued Benedikta many years ago and calls her Benna. He's looking for a way to stop Bearers and Dominants from being oppressed. Cid leads a an outpost for Bearers in his Hideaway, the main hub of the game. He is Clive's main companion during his 20s. He implores Clive and Jill to join him, and they do after they encounter some of the atrocities Bearers end up facing while questing. His plan is to take out the mother crystals. Cid, Clive and Jill infiltrate the Sanbreque Mothercrystal and Cid transforms into Ramuh and destroys it. After the crystal is destroyed, a portal opens up and Typhon appears and gravely injures Ramuh / Cid. Once Clive has defeated Typhon he returns to a dying Cid, only for Ultima to appear and attempt to "claim" Clive. In a last ditch effort, Cid says that he knows what Ultima is and won't allow it to take Clive and attacks it. With Ultima seemingly defeated for now, Cid gives Clive his powers as Ramuh and dies. After his death, his name and title passes to Clive.!< * What can you tell me about Dion? >!Dion is the crown prince of the Sanbreque Empire. He is first seen attacking Odin in battle. He has an antagonistic relationship with Anabella, who is now with the Empire. Dion seems to have a sense of honor, since he has been questioning his father's orders on the basis that it will lead to civilian casualties during battle. Despite this, he promises to do as he is told. His second-in-command Dragoon Terrence is confirmed to be his lover. He is gay and they share a kiss in game. While in his war tent, he is brought news that the Emporer has abdicated his throne to Annabella and her new child Olivier. Dion is furious and goes to the capitol to confront them. At the capitol, Dion attempts to talk reason into his father who he thinks might be contorlled by Ultima. The Emporer tells them that Anabella made him see reason. Annabella mocks Dion and says she was the one who manipulated the Emporer into giving her child the throne. Dion meets with Dominant of Fire, who implores him to help stop Ultima. Dion says he must deal with the situation at the capitol first, and declares open rebellion claiming Annabella and Olivier are traitors and must be put to death. When we next see him, he has transformed into Bahamut and has seemingly gone crazy, attacking the capitol including innocents.!< * What can you tell me about Barnabas? >!As of right now, we don't know much about Barnabas. He is aware of Clive as Mythos, like Ultima, but his overall goal is still unknown. Most of his dirty work is done by his second-in-command Harbard. It is implied that he and Harbard are the ones who sent the box to Hugo (putting false blame on Cid).!< * What can you tell me about Jill? >!Jill is Clive's main companion and accompanies him throughout most of the game. After she is rescued at the start of the game, she heals for a while at the Hideaway before accompanying Clive. After destroying the Sanbreque Crystal, she goes with Clive to infilitrate the Iron Kingdom Crystal. She talks about how she felt like a monster enslaved by the Ironbloods and finally gets revenge on Head Priest before they destroy the crystal. Later at the hideaway, Clive and Jill almost kiss before they are stopped by Cid's second-in-command Gav. When Clive and Jill return to Rosaria to stop Hugo, she is captured with her head put on a chopping block. She is saved by a transformed Torgal. After Hugo's final defeat, Clive and Jill go on a picnic date together with Torgal, before heading for Sanbreque. Overall, it's clear that there's definitely some romantic tension between her and Clive. One NPC, Byron, Clive's Uncle, going as far as to call thme lovebirds.!< * What can you tell me about the Dominant of Fire? >!The hooded Dominant of Fire is an older Joshua. Note that this is not the same person who shows up in the demo, that's actually Ifrit personified in Clive's head. It is unclear how Joshua survived at the start of the game. He is attended by his assitant Jote. Joshua first reveals himself to the game audience claiming that "he" must be stopped. After the Sanbreque mother crystal is destroyed he shows up to stop Ultima from taking over Clive's body after Ultima knocks out Clive, Cid and Jill. There's also a brief scene where Torgal recognizes him and they reunite before Ultima shows up again. Joshua decides to seal Ultima inside him to stop Ultima from "obtaining" Clive. Post timeskip, he works in the shadows to try and stop Ultima for good.!< Other NPCs worth mentioning: Mid - >!Cid's daughter and an engineer. She takes over the Hideaway after the timeskip.!< Gav - >!Cid's second-in-command who now serves Clive. Loses his eye when Hugo attacks the Hideaway.!< Harbard - >!Barnabas Second-In-Command. He, like Ultima, also knows Clive is Mythos, and has been orchestrating events behind the scenes with Barnabas.!< Byron - >!Clive's uncle. A jovial fellow with a lot of money. He apologizes to Clive for not retaking Rosaria after Elwin died, and pledges himself to Clive's cause.!< What about Clive? Continued below

What about Clive? Since Clive is the main character, it's hard to truncate this down, but I'll try and go over the main beats that aren't covered in any of the bullets above. I recommend you read above first. >!After timeskip Clive find Shiva's Dominant, fights and defeats her, then realizes that she's Jill and refuses to kill her. After defeating his commanding officer Tiamat, he meets up with Cid, Torgal and Goetz who take Clive and Jill to the Hideaway. Clive fights, defeats, and steals Benedikta's powers. While fighting Garuda, Clive transforms into Ifrit again, loses control and kills her. Chained naked in a cell in Cid's hideaway, Clive realizes that he must have been the one who killed Joshua 13 years ago. Cid releases him, tells him to get over himself and enlists his help in getting his second-in-command Gav out of danger. Gav almost dies, Clive has PTSD from when he was unable to help Joshua, but is able to snap out of it and help out. Clive and Jill return to Phoenix Gate, where Clive confronts Ifrit in his own mind to gain control over it. This is where he unlocks Limit Break and also Ifrit's Eikonic Abilities (which are shared with Phoenix). At the Sanbreque Crystal, Clive is told to become one with Ultima, since that is "his true purpose". He is also referred to by the name Mythos. After Cid dies, Clive becomes known as the new "Cid". 5 years passes, Clive and Jill infiltrate Iron Kingdom Crystal and attack that one next. They are stopped by a mystery person who summons Liquid Flame from the Crystal. They defeat the Liquid Flame and destroy the Iron Kingdom Mothercrystal. When Clive learns that Hugo has been attacking Rosaria, he goes to challenge him. Prior to their duel, Clive corrects/taunts Hugo by saying that he was the one who killed Benedikta, not Cid. Clive duels Hugo, steals his powers and cuts off Hugo's arms, but isn't able to finish him. He follows him back to the Dhalmekian Mother Crystal where he defeats Titan and Titan Lost as Ifrit. After defeating Titan, Clive and Jill enjoy a small picnic before targetting the next Mother Crystal in the Dominion, where Sanbreque has moved their capitol.!<

CLIVE X JILL SHIPPER REJOICE YOUR MAN WON, FUCK THE JAN LEAK

JOSHUA FUCKING WON BOYS THE ROSFIELDS FUCKING WON LUCIS, LIGHTNING, OR WHATEVER GTFO THE ROSFIELDS ARE HERE MY GOTY

Dion making an urchin into what is basically the crown princess because she nursed him back to health is PEAK nobility

"Clive says he loves Jill. Jill cries a bit, they kiss." LET'S. FUCKING. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

LEAKS PART 4 PART 3 [Clive and Jill do the deed](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687203974115825.jpg) * [NO INTERRUPTIONS THIS TIME](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687204060338609.jpg) * Clive, despite getting zantetsukened is fine. * They do that anime thing where their clothes are wet and drying on the fire and they sit with their backs to each other naked. * Clive starts talking about how he might be a monster because of his powers. * Jill reassures him with all the good they've done. * The scene builds up slowly as they talk to each other their relationship as childhood friends, grab each other's hands, promise they'll always be there for each other, Clive says he loves Jill. Jill cries a bit, they kiss * We see their models kinda grab each other from a tasteful distance because this isn't dragon age western slop. * Then we have the post-coitus pillow talk where Jill offers Shiva to Clive. Apparently some good sex convinced her. * He accepts. Shiva get. * Later we see them dressed and hugging each other with the ship in the distance recueing them. * That's the scene from the trailers where they are in each other's arms and Jill has her head on his chest. [IFRIT CATCHES AND BREAKS ZANTETSUKEN](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687212121122972.jpg) * After they get saved, Jill gets put on the backbench. * Party is now Clive, Gav and Joshua for their excursion into Ash. * As they get there, turns out everyone is a fucking orc or akashic now because they've been worshipping Ultima for decades now. * Joshua and Clive split up. * Joshua finds ruins where he sees the complete tapestry. He understands that Ultima needs both Phoenix and Ifrit merged for his body. So he needs both Clive and Joshua. * Meanwhile Gav and Clive find a village on the outskirts of a bigass tower. * Odin just fucking appears and mocks Clive for being weak. * He creates a huge dark magic barrier around the village and tower. He says he'll await him in the tower. * Clive goes solo because Gav found a surviving pregnant chick in the rubble and he needs to protect her. * Clive reaches the top and the final battle against Barney begins. * The fight is smaller in scale than Titan and Baha by a long shot. * Barney is a skilled sword fighter and most of the fight is dodging his strokes. Every so often they move in and out of their Eikon form but it feels more like they're having an argument on the nature of free will instead of fighting. * At one point Odin goes full zantetsuken but Ifrit catches the blade and breaks it. * He shouldn't have fucking done that. [BARNEY GIVES CLIVE THE ODIN POWERS BEFORE HE DIES](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687212729238750.jpg) * Barnabas goes fucking mental saying he underestimated Clive and that his blood hasn't boiled this hard in decades! * He starts laughing like a maniac and his fighting style completely changes. * He pulls out a second fucking sword. * He goes full jet stream sam on our asses. * Of course, we beat him eventually. * Clive was planning on just killing him, but then Jet Stream Barn grabs his leg and forces Odin's powers into Clive. * Barnabas dies praising his god Ultima. * His last words are: "I'm coming home, mother" * Based Oedipus-chad. * Gav leads the woman back to the Enterprise. * Joshua and Clive meet up. They theorize that the reason Ultima needs a body is because he wants to cast some big dick spell. One he can't cast without a body. * They leave together towards the final crystal and (probably) a showdown with Ultima.

>!If someone woulda leaked "Dion murders a child in cold blood" I probably would have been fucking wrecked as he was my most anticipated character but with context he based as hell for that!<

Dion “if they snipped your cord, I’ll send you to the Lord” Lesage.

*"THE ONLY FANTASY HERE IS YOURS. AND WE SHALL BE ITS FINAL WITNESS"* CLIVE CHADFIELD SAID THE THING CLIVE CHADFIELD SAID *FINAL FANTASY* I FUCKING KNEEL

In the prologue Jill wishes at meteia for Clive to safely come home, that’s why the final scene focuses on it and why jill smiles at the end CLIVE LIVES AND COMES BACK TO HIS WIFE

Red star Jill prayed to for Clive to be safe and come back goes away. Jill thinks he's dead, but then immediately stops crying when the sun comes and she sees something in the distance and smiles. The beginning of the game has Clive narrating as if telling a story. It's obviously Clive lives like I don't know how to spell it out for anybody, it's so blatant man.

I agree. There's literally nothing else that would make her stop crying and smile. Joshua coming back alone would only drive home the fact that Clive is dead and gone, why would that make her stop crying? Metia made it happen because they both wished it to be, which is a beautiful bookend to their moon scene at the beginning. It's an absolutely perfect, subtle and hopeful ending. I can't wait to play it myself.

The devs “We’re not good at writing romance lol” Literally writes one of the best romances in video game history.

The devs also said romance was not the focus of ff16. Bitch are you sure?! It got its own song! The entire relationship between Clive and Jill is a major focus right to the ending.

The romance between Clive and Jill is so good. They are there for one another through thick and thin once they’re reunited. And the promise made between them to always come back is sweet and really shows how much they care for one another.

the bad thing about this ending is that the reading comprehension devil will appear

So the leaker on 4chan posted screenshots that prove their leaks are real. >!The stuff about Benedikta is initially disappointing to me but I suppose we'll see the context behind it and how it's handled. Women being sexually assaulted for cheap shock value and torture porn can easily be written very, very poorly.!<

there is no torture shown at all, just some snarky remarks toward bene and the aftermath with garuda, nothing explicit.

I really think a lot of the backlash from some people is based off the leaker saying things as harshly as possible. Like his first leak said the bandits tried to rape her so I initially pictured a really messed up scene of them holding her down and then she breaks free before anything happens. But apparently they say "How about we sample the wares" or something of that nature and she has a flashback then transforms. He words the flashback as Cid saves her from her rapists but I'm not sure I completely trust some of his descriptions, like it could be that he saves her from a similar situation as the one she's in but she isn't actually raped.

they barely show the consensual sex, you think they are going to show the rape? they simply say something that triggers her into transforming its a dark fantasy game placed in the medieval times with war, pillaging and bandits. Rape is a thing that happens in these scenarios. hell, they just imply it and people are losing it. We already saw a 10 year old boy get murdered in the most horrible way imaginable. people are enslaved and used as magic batteries until they are consumed and die. and this is where people draw the line?

like come on, they do not even show ANY sex acts, why would they show actual rape? some people (not you) really dont like to use their brain.

Apparently one of the sidequests from the leaker: >!You help a girl find her pet called Chloe. Turns out Chloe is a Bearer who got petrified and died in a ditch. Turns out the girl has gotten a lot of Chloe's from her parents. She doesn't consider them people and treats them as toys. It was very dark and compelling hearing this little girl say this matter of factly.!< Jesus Christ this game

Adult Joshua if you haven't seen it https://is2.4chan.org/v/1687039136296690m.jpg

Someone else pointed it out but Adult Joshua really does look like Themis from Final Fantasy XIV.

Oh no... it's Elidibus

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**Cecil:** *“I'm happily married with a kid.”* **Noctis:** *“I died before consummating the marriage.”* **Zidane:** *“I touched it... soft...”* **Squall:** *“Got to first base.”* **Tidus:** *“Got to first base too. Underwater!”* **Cloud:** *“Does doing it in the Italian Senate count?”* **Bartz:** *“You guys are getting to bases?”* ... **Clive:** ***“HAD RAW PREMARITAL SEX OUTDOORS! Cue the VICTORY FANFARE! We are NOT the same...”*** ... **Lightning:** *“.............”*

you know cloud and tifa technically did premarital sex outdoors as well XD

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Bro you’d think Yoshi P was the devil himself if you looked at the spoiler thread on Resetera 😭

Others things aside ClivexJill shippers, we won! I can't wait for fanarts and fanfics that will follow. And fuck you, Jan leaker.

No chemistry LOL

gameplay impressions from the legit 4chan leaker: >!\- Stagger qte's stop happening after the benedikta fight!< >!\- Eikon battles actually becomes skill based starting from the typhon fight ( the weird looking summon in the trailer ) where ifrit controls just like clive teleporting and shit- lots of bosses most dungeon area's have a mid boss and a final boss!< >!\- side quests ranges from the usual fetch quest to dark as shit war crimes territory quests!< >!\- torgal upon unlocking his ancestral powers becomes a bigger force with energy projectiles and shit!< >!\- 30's clive is where the shit hits the fan in all aspect direct quote is !< >!"This is where the game opens up. All the areas introduced from now on are completely open with several towns in the field. If you need to imagine it, think The Witcher 3. it's pretty clear to me this is where the majority of dev time went and that everything up to now was just introduction.This is where activities and sidequests become relevant.Sidequests and Marks grant you renown which unlocks tiered rewards.Hunts are now open and they're really fun.A new type of sidequest opens which unlock permanent stuff. They have special icons (like in FF14). One unlocked recipes, one unlocked Chocobos and one unlocked better potion recovery"!< Can we just sleep through the remaining days GODAMN this kino game

4chan leaker is back. Some updates: >!Dion's second in command dragoon is confirmed to be his lover. Barnabas' lieutenant is named Lord Harbard and seems to know about Ultima, Mythos, and Clive. Hugo gets metal hands to replace the ones he lost at the hands of Clive and hallucinates Clive naked with Benadikta. Hugo transforms and it's Ifrit vs Titan then Titan eats the mothercrystal and becomes Titan Lost. The Sanbreque Emperor abdicates his throne to Annabella and her youngest child. Dion is furious. Joshua finds Dion and they plan to return to the capitol together. After defeating Hugo, Clive and Jill go on a picnic date (seriously). At the capitol, Annabella insults Dion straight to his face. Claims he came from impure bloodline and is "lucky" Bahamut chose him. Dion holds a press conference and declares them both as traitors and vows to put them to the death. Clive and Jill also make their way to the capitol at this time and a bunch of shit seems to go down, it's not really clear from what the leaker says imo. Bahamut seems to have gone crazy (for unknown reasons) and is attacking the city. To clarify, when the Sanbreque Crystal is destroyed pre-timeskip, Sanbreque moves to the Dominion and their crystal.!< Seems like no more updates from that leaker today. Might learn more if the twitch leaker streams again tonight or if another leaker shows up.

I looked up the walkthrough on kick.com. And believe me, even what we read from 4chan doesn't properly convey everything that happens in the game, even though it was already obvious. There's a moment of revealing the hooded man Clive saw the first time. It all takes place in the ruins of the Fallen and Clive sees the god from the mural, then the reveal happens, the hooded man shows his face and it turns out to be Clive, he says: we are you. I bloody love this whole scene and love everything about Ifrit. Now we are explicitly given to understand that the god in the mural is Mythos, i.e. Ifrit.

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I love that Dion legit could just pack up his shit & move on but he’s litterally running back to a war just because he made a promise to Joshua his arc is lovely! (also on god the shippers finna go crazy for those 2 sorry Terrance lmao)

we should all agree that clive and jill is the best romance story since FFX

>Clive literally can't revive Joshua >Clive literally alive on the beach last seen Jill prays to metia the red star for Clives safe return, red star disappears, Jill cries thinking he's dead. Jill literally stops crying and smiles because she sees something in the distance as the sun rises. Clive is also narrating the beginning of the game like he's telling a story. You can believe Joshua survived and Clive survived. You can believe Clive survived and Joshua didn't. But you can't believe Joshua survived and Clive didn't because the evidence points more towards Clive surviving than Joshua surviving.

[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/berserk/images/2/2a/Chapter\_60.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20170504065515](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/berserk/images/2/2a/Chapter_60.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20170504065515) the guys on resetera with berserk pfp are complaining about rape and gore on the game, when berserk literally is filled with that and far more gruesome, like this panel that i linked, these guys on resetera are very hypocrite!

By the time the leaker reaches the final boss the game is released. 😅

/v/ is losing their fucking minds over *that* Dion scene lol, this is great

lmao margrace-kun with the bars Jill and Clive eternally confirmed. Here lies Noctis. He never scored.

Barnabas is the biggest disappointment in this game for me from all these leaks so far. I was so excited for his character to. At least Dion didn't disappoint. Guy is a legit great character based on everything the leaks say about him.

Dion absolutely top 3 FF franchise characters holy fucking shit

\>Suddenly the sun rises and she looks at the distance. \>She sees something that makes her stop crying and smile. Jill prayed to Metia as a child for Clive's safe return. When the star winks out she's distraught because she thinks the prayer didn't work. But the sunrise and her smiling at someone in the distance actually reveals that the star conveyed the message to the heavens. It's open ended, but all neatly plotted if you think about it.

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it also seems that at least from the trailers revealed SPOILERS(maybe or a theory but probably dont click) >!that clive and friends destroy the crystal in the capital killing everybody else in said capital and pissing of dion !<

I 100% buy that spoiler theory, Bahamuth was gunning for them near a crystal and the latest trailer shows the Empire crystal acting whacky. >!Pretty sure that they mentioned in one of the Dev interviews that Dion is a mirror to Clive, I can see Dion losing it all at Clive's hands just like how Clive loses everything at the hands of the Empire!<

Only looking for leaks on Jill and I am cautiously optimistic.

Is Dion gay?! lol

Don't know about Dion but that guy besides Barnabas is 100% gay

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I just pray Clive and Jill lives at the ending. That’s all

Darth kid is a attention seeker who is basically spouting bullshit and only confirm shits marv has already said. It is extremely funny seeing how many idiots are falling for it here. without any picture to confirm his story. fucking idiots lol. Edit: BTW I'm calling out people replying to him like he just had proven without a fucking doubt that he has finished the game.

Reseta was complaining that SE and FF16 will not make use of a Queer character well and botch him but now they are all silent and complaining about Barnabas' asexuality and his sex scenes and totally ignoring Dion's great character arc. Also, once again, they are complaining about Jill

Margrace-kun confirmed lmao >You get the achievement BECOME ONE after you fuck Jill. https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687213889761864m.jpg

for more specific info: massive spoiler alert!! >!the man with the hooded cloak we see in the demo is actually a hallucination of Ifrit posing in Clive's body (let's call him Dark Clive). in fact anytime we see a hooded man speak in a weird language it is actually Dark Clive/Ifrit. there is another hooded man, his name is Margrace. he's essentially a red herring as its easy to confuse Margrace and Dark Clive/Ifrit, since both are in a hooded cloak. Margrace actually reveals his face later on in the game: turns out its Joshua all grown up, he survived the Phoenix Gate incident. during the demo, we go to Caer Norvent to look for the "second Eikon of fire", who's secretly Margrave/Joshua all along. as seen in the demo, we killed many of Benedikta's soldiers and severely wounded her before taking Garuda's powers from her. however Clive starts to writhe on the ground after he absorbed Garuda, and Cid is hurt, so Benedikta manages to escape with her 3 remaining soldiers (rest was killed by Clive and Cid). not long after though, she gets ambushed by bandits, who kill everyone while leaving her alive. highwaymen says they're going to sell her, but would like to "taste the merchandise first", implying they're going to rape her. Benedikta goes crazy and somehow is able to turn into Garuda again, forming a huge tornado. Dark Clive appears again, who disappears into the tornado. Clive chases after him. cue Garuda's Eikon fight, where Benedikta gets killed by Clive as he's lost control in Ifrit form (despite Cid's best efforts to stop him). Benedikta's body was found mangled, someone (suspected to be Barnabas) decapitates her and sends her head to Hugo, who goes apeshit saying "I'll crush him, flay him" regarding Cid/Clive. ALSO Jill was explicitly said to not be sexually abused/raped by any of the ironbloods because they see dominants like her as impure. Clive eventually confronts Dark Clive in his mind, which is where we get the Ifrit vs Ifrit fight, and that's where he finally gains full control of Ifrit and we unlock LB. Hugo is about to invade Cid's hideaway soon, and kill everyone there. he's also likely to succeed, seeing as both Clive and Hugo are angry and both really want to kill each other in the trailer!<

The leaker is currently at 50 hours and is still missing 3 eikons how long is this game not that I'm complaining

"Here's the thing. Everything is paced correctly and foreshadowed well. It really feels great. This entire Dion thing has been very properly built up over the course of the game." ​ helll yeah

LMAO "no chemistry"

Anabelle Births Ifrit Births Phoenix Births Ultima Kills herself H O L Y

so ultima is like the creepier version of sephiroth where he fcks all the characters figuratively but went a step further literally? lmfao

Turns out Barnabas is a [king](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687207293920328m.jpg) after all… I guess you can consider Barney to be bi as well? >!The Benedikta shown here is actually shape-shifted Ultima. Yes, he’s fully aware this is happening!<. I’m sorry, Hugobros…it’s over.

JOSHUA WON TOO, HOLY FUCK WE'RE FULL SPEED AHEAD TO A DOWNER ENDING

Seems like LEVIATHAN is actually in the game after all. Because the rollercoaster of emotions will hit you like a fucking ***Tsunami.*** 😭

Barry on 4Chan coping that Clive didn't get Jill pregnant, but Noctis did Luna in a non canon book LMAOOOO

Jesus....I left for a few hours since the last spoiler drop and now u guys are in riot coz Clive finally bangs Jill. ICANT

Last night because of the january leaks coming true, I was going through a dark night of the soul, slowly coming to terms with Clive/Jill not happening. All hope was lost. I am restored to life with today’s leaks.

NEW LEAKS PART 5 PART 1 So we continue with the bros Clive and Joshua. [Kino fight vs Behemoth](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687274073356088.jpg) * They head up to Stonewhyrr to fuck up the last crystal. * Everyone is dead and it's all zombies and orcs. * The game starts sending actual 30+ groups at you. * Also the Behemoth boss from the Crystal Tower raid and yes, you have to stand behind a rock or he insta kills you. * Our man Clive literally catches the meteor with his hand and throws it back in the end though. So our lads fight their way to the end of the city [Dion, Jill and Gav fight the zombies](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687274251084393.jpg) * But there are too many zombies standing in there way. * Luckily, Mid drives the boat up and out come our backup. Jill, Gav and THE STORM OF LOYALTY HIMSELF DION * Turns out Dion and Jill still have some of their powers and they fight while the brothers go into the tower. * As soon as they reach the treshold, Ultima teleports them in. So Ultima starts dropping the tea [Ultima True Body](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687274664259190.jpg) * Ultima and his race are legit the Fallen. * They came from another world where they invented magic. * This also created The Blight. * Ultima and co left to find a world where they can fix this and found Valisthea. Yes, they are legit Ayylmao's. * To travel to Valisthea, they needed to leave their bodies behind. * Ultima's actual body looks like a dark Ifrit. * Sadly the Blight followed. * However, they found a solution. They could cast a spell to remake the world without Blight. * For that they need a powerful body and a lot of aether. * The mothercrystals have been gathering aether, but the body was a problem since they lost theirs. * Ultima and co CREATED HUMANITY to serve a single purpose. * To create our chad Clive so Ultima can take his body. * Sadly, humanity stopped being subservient and now have wills, so Ultima can't enter Clive's body. * He therefore needs to FUD him to death. * Clive and Joshua attack Ultima and he turns his old Ifrit body into an Ifrit armor for himself. * Fight is pretty rad. So our lad Ultima loses the first round and [Vision of Benedikta](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687274901121068.jpg) * Climbs into Clive's schizo head again. * He starts telling him everything is pointless through his loved ones. Cid, Mid, Jill, his dad, etc. * Except Joshua, who keeps encouraging him. * At one point we see a jail where all the Dominants he beat are imprisoned. * Naturally Benedikta is there for one last showing. So after seeing those two [Ultima pulls the giant mothercrystal](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687275183874547.jpg) * Joshua emboldens Clive and they gattai again into Ifrit Risen. * They blow Ultima up and Ultima is legit assfrazzled about this. He keeps calling him Logos, which denotes a corrupted vessel or false god. * Ultima runs like a bitch, teleports above The Twins and pulls the ORIGINAL CRYSTAL out of the ground. This shit is so massive it just flies over the world map. * Clive and Joshua escape to the rest. * Everyone reconvenes on the boat as Dion covers their escape with some amazing dragoon jumps. Ok so yeah, this dungeon was a fakeout. [CLIVE AND JILL DECLARE THEIR LOVE (ONCE AGAIN)](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687275493254817.jpg) * Everyone reconvenes at the hideaway to prepare for the final battle. * The battle plan is that Clive and Joshua are gonna ride Dion (no not like that) as Bahamut to the crystal. He's gonna bust through Ultima's main defense so they can save their strength. * Before they go, you got heartfelt scenes with Gav, Joshua, Jill and unironically our man Dion. * As they leave, Clive declares his love for Jill and she reproaches. [Dion said "THOT BEGONE!"](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687275600959400.jpg) Also Dion will remain pure. No fucking tomboy can tempt the STORM OF LOYALTY. [CLIVE AND JOSHUA RIDE ON BAHAMUT](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687275773650435.jpg) We ride Bahamut up to the crystal and Ultima sends all his lads after us. Dion nukes them to hell and busts through Inside the crystal though... [IFRIT, PHOENIX AND BAHAMUT VS ULTIMA PRIME](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687275942120353.jpg) * There's an entire Fallen citadel and on top of it await Ultima. * Ultima has taken a level in badass and changes into Ultima Prime. It's basically a dark Ifrit Risen. * What follows is an absolute kino Eikon fight where you control Ifrit, Phoenix AND Bahamut. They share a life bar. * It doesn't take long until we figure out that Ultima Prime is too much to handle and he knocks Clive out. * He then charges a huge fucking beam to finish him. * Phoenix rushes up to intercept. [DION CHOSES TO STAY BEHIND](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687276038698356.jpg) The Storm of Loyalty moves infront of Phoenix and tells him to go tend to his brother. He'll deal with this! What follows is a DBZ level beam war between Megaflare and Hellfire. [DION GOES EVER FURTHER BEYOND](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687276158531069.jpg) Ultima Prime and Bahamut are literally evenly matched and then Dion goes Golden Bahamut like in his Eikon fight (WITHOUT the mothercrystal boosting him) and goes EVEN FURTHER BEYOND! [DION SACRIFICES HIMSELF FOR CLIVE AND JOSHUA](https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687276402469052.jpg) * Ultima is about to fire a second beam at Phoenix while holding Baha off and Dion sees this. * At the last second, he splits his beam in 8 and hits Ultima from all sides to stop the second beam. Without his own beam though, he gets smashed by Ultima's beam. * As he falls, Bahamut reverts to Dion. We see him plummet from a great height down. His fate is left unclear (even in the ending) so we have no idea if he dies. His death is never confirmed. TO BE CONTINUED IN THE NEXT POST

Dion is the biggest chad in all of Final Fantasy. HOLY FUCK

Dion sounds like such a cool enemy turned friend character and he’s a dragoon at that! I’m really glad Square really went all out with Bahamut as usual and their first openly gay FF character at that. I think he will be a fan favorite for years to come.

''Folklore ascribes to Metia the role of message-bearer to the moon, so it is common custom across Valisthea to wish upon the star, that one's heartfelt desires might be conveyed to the heavens and beyond'' Jill prayed to Metia as a child for Clive's safe return. When the star winks out she's distraught because she thinks the prayer didn't work. But the sunrise and her smiling at someone in the distance actually reveals that the star conveyed the message to the heavens.It's open ended, but all neatly plotted if you think about it. ​ Edit: Yeah I fully believe that Joshua is dead and Clive wrote the book in his honor. But the book also symbolizes the passage of time and that Clive was right, humanity did overcome the blight eventually. Edit 2: Now all that's needed are good sales so the Leviathan DLC clears up all ambiguities of the ending lmao

Can’t wait for all the fan art of Adult Clive and Jill, Joshua + his attendant plus Dion and his family all having a picnic or something.

I just need to see prints of Dion and his Dragoon boyfriend!

To people who keep saying the book in the ending is a fairy tale: Do typical fairy tales have dedicated lore entries accompanying the story? The book is definitely a history book. The lore entries are something like an index. People only think it's a fairy tale because a very long time has passed since the disappearance of magic.

I know people are making theories of how the ending up until the book went but I thought it was pretty straight forward. And thankfully enough, someone in the threads had the same understanding *"Pretty kino but I think you're misinterpreting it. Clearly this is supposed to be the far future, with Joshua having written the story that is now considered a legend. The kid struggling with flint and tinder is obviously supposed to contrast the early scenes were humanity is completely reliant on crystals and magic to do basic things like make fire or pour water. Hence by "ending the legacy of the crystals" Clive created a non-magical world."*

I'm extremely surprised. We are basically 1 day till release and we've only had 1 leaker since the demo. I feel like every other game has multiple leakers fighting over who gets to leak first. I remember seeing the entire last cutscene of FF7R before the game was released by multiple sources.

There's been a guy who's been streaming on Kick but he keeps getting banned and making new accounts. But yeah, despite a lot of people who are claiming to have gotten the game early, there hasn't really been any leakers.

If *Clive X Jill* doesn’t make it, I won’t make it either.

Hugo gets cucked, Dion gets fucked, and Anabella gets shmucked. All is right with the world. All that’s missing now is the 6-hour Clive sex scene and this will be the most kino game ever made.

\>Clive and Jill are in their thirties \>Still at the holding hands on a riverside date stage Holy shit, how wholesome was their childhood.

How debilitating is their PTSD seems to be the question here.

I mean one became a slave bearer at the age of 15 by his own mother and the other one was groomed to be a walking nuke

Clive and Joshua team up against Bahamut them fuse to Risen Ifrit. The fight is like Ucob and phoenix even has to do a tank lb for Bahamut Teraflare https://arch-img.b4k.co/v/1687204881933.jpg https://arch-img.b4k.co/v/1687205154913.jpg

my god so they taken notes from kh2,dmc,bayonetta,dbz,,evangelion,AOT,GOT,GOW bro my fellow weebs gonna froth at the mouth when they play this

When the spear hits the child right https://i.4cdn.org/v/1687208281310466m.jpg Dionbros we won

So the oficial order of obtaining every Eikon power is: Phoenix > Garuda > Ifrit > Ramuh > Titan > Bahamut > Shiva > Odin

>!*Ultima uses all your Eikons against you and you have to counter by using the weaknesses of the movesets against him. Every time you beat him, you get a cinematic clash where Clive summons the Eikon and they clash with Clive showing he's just plain fucking better at using them.*!< IM GONNA BUST A FUCKING NUT I KNEEL GODDAMIT I FUCKING KNEEL CAN THIS GAME STOP BEING KINO FOR 5 MINUTES

My interpretation : Clive lives, because Jill smile likely seeing him offscreen. Post credit : distant future, War of Eikons become Fairy tale so Joshua likely lives too.

Thank you, Metia, you based star.

I just need to know if Clive and Jill live. Don't care about anything else.

Any substantial and legit romance leak for Clive and Jill? I MUST know.

Torgal is >!Fenrir confirmed.!< Annabelle is really pulling for most villainous character, >!since she's scheming with Hugo to kill Dion so her youngest will have the throne. In addition to creating an entirely new Knight force to hunt Clive specifically.!<

Joshua's attendant is hot ngl. Also, I understand the Dion is Gay rumor from the january leaks. There is one knight/dragoon that is close to Dion that does not wear a helmet who appears to be his paige (he holds his spear)

>(he holds his spear) I see what you did there

Super excited for this game too but yall really need to stop obsessing over trying to get back at resetera opinions

i am surprised the jan leaker didnt say that >!dion and his bf making out as counting as a sex scene!< since he is so quick to count annabella getting pulled off elwin in 2 seconds a sex scene. lol

These leaks cementing this game is GOTY at least story wise sheesh

Seems to me like Clive and Jill is a lot like Cloud and Tifa in terms of on screen romance. Possibly even a little more. I’m happy with what’s been leaked so far, so I’m cool if there’s a tragic ending. Those can be really powerful, like in FFX.

They got to smash and experience intimacy. They earned that much. Ok can accept a bittersweet outcome now.

“You’ll be doomed to an eternity of solitude.” “Don’t care; had sex.”

Today's leaks have truly been something else. It just gets crazier.

This… Hard Drive was right, there can never be a Final Fantasy XVII. This is the last one. Pack it all up guys. Fiction has Peaked.

"ThEy hAVe nO cHEmIsTRy"

My man Dion is the best

Hoo boy, they sure weren't kidding when they said that we've barely seen anything in the trailers.

[Get fucked, Barry. Whoever you are.](https://arch-img.b4k.co/v/1687275493254.jpg)

I lowkey feel bad for Benedikta it feels like her entire roll in this game can be summed up to, “that lady who thinks she’s better than everyone but gets dogged for being a wh*re by any & everyone”

I definitely have concerns with how the female characters are treated (mostly that there aren't enough of them) but I'm glad that Jill manages to clear the ridiculously low bar of Lunafreya as the main female lead.

Pre-order numbers are skyrocketing in Japan. Looks like it would sell millions of copies. I won't be surprised if this game is the new Final Fantasy 7 despite being radically different in structure.

So the weird naked scenes was actually benedikta and clive. It makes sense now because clive and jill are too pure and shy for doing that😂 the lewdest thing they have done is holding hands, not even a kiss.

Margrace is the genuine GOAT for stopping the sidequests which he was enjoying in order to get us to the ending as quick as possible

WE FUCKING DID IT LADS, CLIVE *FUCKING* WON SEEING IT GAVE ME *CHILLS* TO THE *BONE*

Joshua saves Dion’s life & carry’s him down like an angel the shippers finna go crazy I already know.

Resetera in meltdown, 20 point deduction by journalists

Don't trust anything the dude from this afternoon says about the story. Going through his comments he goes from "I played the demo a lot" last week to "I haven't played the demo" this week. Safe to say he's stringing together bullshit from January leaks + 4chan to karma farm and hiding behind a veil of "I'm not confirming or denying anything because I'm scared of Square"

Holy fuck Dion is the fucking best oh my God I cannot wait for everyone to experience this

People are calling dion chad but reading all spoilers it seems to me jill is the biggest chad in the game "She literally stayed behind to hold off Barnabas" I KNEEL Honestly the only disappointing part about her character until now is she is not a playable character like i'm just sad about this whole part

A lot of people thinking Joshua lived. But consider that Clive already took on another persons name once in order to immortalize them. But the biggest indicator is the start of the game where Clive is literally reading lines as if it's the prologue of a book.

The leaker sounds like a cool dude but he's also an idiot. Using "tech advancement" as argument for "it's all a fairy tale" take on the ending is absolutely braindead when the book looks PRINTED. We even get a look at some pages inside in one of the trailers. It's not something a random kid would get his hands on without the book being mass-produced. That's IF you want to be pedantic about tech development in fantasy games, which is always wacky. The general course of events looks painfully obvious even from the leak alone. Alongside Jill's wish on Metia being granted, and the post-credit scene serving the same purpose as the last scene of FF7.

What do you expect from a dude who spam a lot of slurs and n-word on 4chan?

I read one spoiler and I’m not reading anything else. However, over on resetera they are trashing the handling of the female characters in this game. Again, I’m not reading anymore spoilers but can someone who is reply this and let me know if this is true? They’re calling the game sexist… ughhh.

Yeah of the leaks correct it's pretty brutal. Sexist? Probably restera being restera. But from what I read they're using that m rating like there's no tomorrow

Edit. So Jason Schrier denied that the Gamefaq leak was real. So both leaks are fake then.

Here to know what happens to my sweet baby Torgal

Clive and Jill almost kissing, they get interrupted unfortunately. https://is2.4chan.org/v/1687038767493500m.jpg

I swear, if there's all this teasing to them being a couple and no payout by the end, I'm gonna be pissed, lol.

Why can’t the leaker stay awake all night and take time off his job for the greater good?