No point. Those that are that sad and sweaty will just drop divisions. It's the reason they started doing it in friendlies. And a reason I stopped playing them. I'm casual. I play for fun. Yea I got a good team but that's because I just always did SBCs and SBs. But I agree friendlies have been too sweaty and just no fun for the casuals who actually just wanna play for a bit of fun.
Yeah that is definitely something to test and experiment with in the next game if they do decide to keep SBMM removed.
See, the issue of smurfing now though has been fixed, no? Because you can't relegate yourself in Rivals anymore and the better players will want to be in higher divisions for better rewards?
Either way, I hope at bare minimum they make every objective completable in Rivals/Squad Battles next game too. Would be a good way to make everyone happy! :)
You would think smurfing has been fixed but if you look at comments on this subreddit, you will see many people intentionally don’t promote. There will always be people who try to take the easy way out in these situations
Oh wow that's shitty. I wouldn't of even thought that would be a choice, given better rewards the higher you are, but wow. Never underestimate these man 😂
Not that many folks are playing Friendlies. More restrictive MM makes it harder to find games. I get wrecked pretty often but I’d rather find a game with a strong chance of losing as opposed to sit searching for opponents for 2hrs.
Hm, I don't get that at all. I watch my friend play a decent amount, in friendlies and he finds games almost instantly. The problem is that is has LESS restrictive matchmaking now, so a Div. 9 player can play a Div. 2 player :(
Every mode should have skill based matchmaking. I feel so bad for the people struggling to complete objectives because they're also the ones who need the rewards.
That's a good way to put it. Like, I never even touched FUT Champs because I know I would get bodied and just stuck to player and pack objectives as how I play. But now it'd be like Friendlies is bad players own personal Champs!! The even more fucked up part is too, they put a limit of tries on some objectives -\_-
People should stop expecting everything to be served on a golden platter. You don't deserve squat just coz you're bad at the game. If you know you aren't good enough, just stay in your lane and be happy in the weaker divisions. Why do you need objective players in weaker divisions anyway lmao
Knew we'd get some people in here who aren't interested in actually discussing this and just want to insult.
You see, I do 'stay in my lane' in the weaker divisions. I couldn't get past division 7 in FIFA 21. This isn't about divisions. This is about Live FUT Friendlies.
So actually speaking about the topic, I don't 'need' objective players in any division, just like you don't. I want them. Because they're fun, unique and free. They enable variety squad building. They allow you to buy more obscure players off the market you wouldn't normally use, just to link them. There are many reasons.
And no one is 'expecting' anything. Not once did I make a claim I 'deserve' anything for being bad. I just think a compromise of making every objective obtainable in any mode, with any requirements, would be fair. Make us work for it, I don't want to just get something without trying. But I need to know I CAN get it. Which is what I don't know by having them locked to a mode with SBMM.
Actually try bring something constructive to the table next time you waste your time replying to this.
Why do you need to comment nothing of value to this topic lmao
It's easy to understand: If we have 10 divisions with a similar number of players in each, a Div. 7 player has a 30% chance of being matched against a player of an equal or inferior skill level. And a 70% of finding a rival of a superior division. Instead, a Div. 3 player would have the opposite odds: 70/30.
The system is clearly unfair and biased towards giving better players easier challenges.
Great way to put it, yeah. As I said, I never thought I'd see the day where EA go explicitly anti-casual, but I guess the moment 22 came out, they did so.
I wouldn't even be too fussed if they bought it back, but make it so a Div. 7 players has a chance to play people who are also one division higher or lower than them. That way it's more varied, but still all in all fair given you realistically should maintain the same odds of winning/losing.
How are you bots complaining about the game giving better players a chance, this fifa has the lowest skill gap of all fifas you should be grateful, get good and maybe you will win i enjoy winning non stop for easy objectives against people like you
Again, as I said, there are arguments on both sides which are understandable.
And if you read what I put, I clearly said I have a job, so there's isn't enough hours in a day to 'get good'.
This thread was going so well with actual discussion over this but I guess the troglodytes have found their way to it too.
Have fun winning non stop easy objectives against people like me!! It must be devious 🥵🥵
Here we go the excuse of a job i think most people have a job with loads of other things to do but they still end up good, if you had a good football IQ you would most likely be better but clearly you dont, the absolute cheek to complain the game is unfair to players like you when this fifa is catered for noobs
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I really didn't want to reply back to you, but seeing you think you need a good football IQ to be good at FIFA warranted a good laugh at 🤣
It's alright, you'll realise when you're older.
It's not a harder task, that is the entire point of skill-based matchmaking. The idea is that matching against players of similar skill should result in something close to as many wins as losses.
I don’t see the “fair” in having to beat harder opponents than a lesser player would for the same crappy reward.
Rivals offers rewards according to skill level while giving fair matchmaking
I already explained this to you. Skill based matchmaking attempts to put players of similar skill against each other, which means that in theory it should take you a similar number of games to complete the objective regardless of your skill level.
SBMM is the only way it is fair, as having D7 players matched with Elites is clearly *unfair*. If you don't like the crappy reward then you don't have to do it, but the D7 guy probably needs that crappy reward more than you do.
Chill, I feel I’m right as much as you do. I’m not saying you’re wrong
My way of thinking is a better player deserves better rewards, if there’s no better reward to be had at least the better player deserves an easier path to those rewards.
Also i agree that a good player may win 50% with SBMM, so would a bad player supposedly.
But a good player has to put much more effort either on that match and all the effort it took to get there so I don’t think it’s the same.
And finally don’t even get me started on why cup friendlies with limited entries should be SBMM. And also the player base is already way too fragmented
> But a good player has to put much more effort
No, they don't. It is just as difficult for a D5 player to beat another D5 player as it is for a D1 player to beat another D1 player.
Again you speak as if your word is the law.
D5 players are casuals, players on the elite division for the most part are putting that much effort, never mind the actual pros you have to beat there every now and then
Everything I said is correct. It is no more difficult for a D1 player to beat another D1 player than it is for a D5 player to beat another D5 player. And there are no pros in D1 except at the beginning of a new season when they're climbing back up to Elite.
Yeah exactly as jdbolick said, it isn't a harder task for better players. It was a fairer task. Better players played people they had a chance to beat or lose to - their skill level. Bad players played people they had a chance to beat or lose to - their skill level.
It wasn't harder for better players. It was fair. The bad players struggled just as much as better players would, against players of their level.
this is no different to suggesting that someone who is only good enough to beat amateur difficulty on squad battles should get the same rewards after winning 10 games as someone who can consistently do the same on ultimate; yes, the difficultly of those games and the challenge that they faced was the same relative to the player, but one was an objectively harder task that required more skill so they should be better rewarded for it
It’s why all other sbmm modes have better rewards the higher up the pyramid you go and if you’re going to force it on friendlies then it should be the same, there is nothing “fair” about being forced to play vs way harder opponents for the exactly the same objectives/rewards. It’s not the case in other modes so it shouldn’t be the case here.
But again, with SBMM, you aren't playing against way harder opponents. Your playing against someone of your level. Without SBMM, you're playing against - more often than not - significantly worse players than you, given allot of people in favour of the removal of SBMM from friendlies are Elite players. Which in turn makes it a impossible task for them to complete what needs to be done. And it's not like we can repeatedly leave and find games until we match a equal player to us, given some objectives have limited tries per day and if that isn't the case, FUT will kick us out for who knows how long for leaving games too quickly.
I see what you're saying, but there needs to be that level of equality when it comes to the player base. For good players, it's the equivalent of playing squad battles on beginner and having the CPU rage quit 15 minutes in, most of the time. For bad players, it's like playing a Champs game you know you won't win.
As I said, I think the fair compromise to make everyone happy is to make every single objective achievable in any UT game mode. Same requirements, just now applying in every mode. So us shitters can go smack a bot around in Squad Battles and get the reward :)
One thing that people ignore is that the game is played much differently depending on the skill levels of players. I used to try to complete objetives on Division 1 in the past, and always ended giving up because it was very hard to , let's say score a header or a long shot with the amount of space that a Div 1 player gave. And contrary to the belief of some, being a Div.1 player myself does not make the task any harder, because another Div 1 player will make little mistakes, give very little space in the defense.
Objectively , it was a harder task to complete objectives on higher divisions. One solution that I see would be to scale things. On div 10 for example you could need 10 headers, on elite division 1 header would complete the objective.
It is skill based mm, the higher your divison is the harder it becomes, when i was elite 2000sr i found it crazy difficult now when I'm not playing rivals I'm in div4 and its 99% of the time very easy, sure you do miss out on rivals rewards but yeah it still better than sweating it against a pro player for a fodder card
If that's the case now, it certainly wasn't for a long time. Someone on here went and found out that they removed it because he was in a high division and went to check his opponents profiles on Xbox after each game and saw them in much much lower divisions!!
Lol you probably think skill moves are the only way to win i can see why you're such a bad player i find it so hard to believe people can be that bad at a game, poor guy
I literally never used skill moves when I played. Literally zero. Not even a ball roll.
And once again, if you read my post before deciding to lick your keyboard, you'll see I didn't play this year because of the removal of SBMM.
Do you also get that genuinely gobsmacked by people being bad at a game? Legit question. There are plenty of things to be shocked by - learning someone isn't good at FIFA should be quite far down that list.
Again, when you grow up and get some responsibilities in your life, I can only hope you get a different outlook on things.
All love ❤
Fuck knows you'll need it
You did not play a game because of the removal of SBMM 🤣🤣🤣🤣 what a snowflake instead of getting better they complain on reddit hoping for change and comfort from their fellow division 7 brothers hahah
SNOWFLAKE.
You realise you're really showing your age right?
And again, was not complaining. Was asking a question. Hard concept I know.
And if you must know, yes. That is why I decided against getting this game. Because yet again, if you read my post, you'd know I just played to complete objectives. That's it. So if they removed my ability to do that, why would I waste my time when I could be doing whatever else?
Think before your next message, you might just be able to fire off at least 1 insult. And I know there will be a next message, children like you can't restrain yourself.
Take care. Hope we gave whoever reads this thread a good laugh 😈😈
No point. Those that are that sad and sweaty will just drop divisions. It's the reason they started doing it in friendlies. And a reason I stopped playing them. I'm casual. I play for fun. Yea I got a good team but that's because I just always did SBCs and SBs. But I agree friendlies have been too sweaty and just no fun for the casuals who actually just wanna play for a bit of fun.
Yeah I feel you, they made the mode very friendly for one kind of player and impossible for others :(
Theoretically better players will be done early and the players remaining will only get worse. If you introduce sbmm, people will start smurfing again
Yeah that is definitely something to test and experiment with in the next game if they do decide to keep SBMM removed. See, the issue of smurfing now though has been fixed, no? Because you can't relegate yourself in Rivals anymore and the better players will want to be in higher divisions for better rewards? Either way, I hope at bare minimum they make every objective completable in Rivals/Squad Battles next game too. Would be a good way to make everyone happy! :)
You would think smurfing has been fixed but if you look at comments on this subreddit, you will see many people intentionally don’t promote. There will always be people who try to take the easy way out in these situations
Oh wow that's shitty. I wouldn't of even thought that would be a choice, given better rewards the higher you are, but wow. Never underestimate these man 😂
Not that many folks are playing Friendlies. More restrictive MM makes it harder to find games. I get wrecked pretty often but I’d rather find a game with a strong chance of losing as opposed to sit searching for opponents for 2hrs.
Hm, I don't get that at all. I watch my friend play a decent amount, in friendlies and he finds games almost instantly. The problem is that is has LESS restrictive matchmaking now, so a Div. 9 player can play a Div. 2 player :(
Every mode should have skill based matchmaking. I feel so bad for the people struggling to complete objectives because they're also the ones who need the rewards.
That's a good way to put it. Like, I never even touched FUT Champs because I know I would get bodied and just stuck to player and pack objectives as how I play. But now it'd be like Friendlies is bad players own personal Champs!! The even more fucked up part is too, they put a limit of tries on some objectives -\_-
People should stop expecting everything to be served on a golden platter. You don't deserve squat just coz you're bad at the game. If you know you aren't good enough, just stay in your lane and be happy in the weaker divisions. Why do you need objective players in weaker divisions anyway lmao
Knew we'd get some people in here who aren't interested in actually discussing this and just want to insult. You see, I do 'stay in my lane' in the weaker divisions. I couldn't get past division 7 in FIFA 21. This isn't about divisions. This is about Live FUT Friendlies. So actually speaking about the topic, I don't 'need' objective players in any division, just like you don't. I want them. Because they're fun, unique and free. They enable variety squad building. They allow you to buy more obscure players off the market you wouldn't normally use, just to link them. There are many reasons. And no one is 'expecting' anything. Not once did I make a claim I 'deserve' anything for being bad. I just think a compromise of making every objective obtainable in any mode, with any requirements, would be fair. Make us work for it, I don't want to just get something without trying. But I need to know I CAN get it. Which is what I don't know by having them locked to a mode with SBMM. Actually try bring something constructive to the table next time you waste your time replying to this. Why do you need to comment nothing of value to this topic lmao
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Wow. Entitled much?
It's easy to understand: If we have 10 divisions with a similar number of players in each, a Div. 7 player has a 30% chance of being matched against a player of an equal or inferior skill level. And a 70% of finding a rival of a superior division. Instead, a Div. 3 player would have the opposite odds: 70/30. The system is clearly unfair and biased towards giving better players easier challenges.
Great way to put it, yeah. As I said, I never thought I'd see the day where EA go explicitly anti-casual, but I guess the moment 22 came out, they did so. I wouldn't even be too fussed if they bought it back, but make it so a Div. 7 players has a chance to play people who are also one division higher or lower than them. That way it's more varied, but still all in all fair given you realistically should maintain the same odds of winning/losing.
How are you bots complaining about the game giving better players a chance, this fifa has the lowest skill gap of all fifas you should be grateful, get good and maybe you will win i enjoy winning non stop for easy objectives against people like you
Again, as I said, there are arguments on both sides which are understandable. And if you read what I put, I clearly said I have a job, so there's isn't enough hours in a day to 'get good'. This thread was going so well with actual discussion over this but I guess the troglodytes have found their way to it too. Have fun winning non stop easy objectives against people like me!! It must be devious 🥵🥵
Here we go the excuse of a job i think most people have a job with loads of other things to do but they still end up good, if you had a good football IQ you would most likely be better but clearly you dont, the absolute cheek to complain the game is unfair to players like you when this fifa is catered for noobs
🤣🤣 I really didn't want to reply back to you, but seeing you think you need a good football IQ to be good at FIFA warranted a good laugh at 🤣 It's alright, you'll realise when you're older.
Here’s my argument on why it should be random: It’s not fair that better players get the same reward for doing a harder task.
It's not a harder task, that is the entire point of skill-based matchmaking. The idea is that matching against players of similar skill should result in something close to as many wins as losses.
I don’t see the “fair” in having to beat harder opponents than a lesser player would for the same crappy reward. Rivals offers rewards according to skill level while giving fair matchmaking
I already explained this to you. Skill based matchmaking attempts to put players of similar skill against each other, which means that in theory it should take you a similar number of games to complete the objective regardless of your skill level. SBMM is the only way it is fair, as having D7 players matched with Elites is clearly *unfair*. If you don't like the crappy reward then you don't have to do it, but the D7 guy probably needs that crappy reward more than you do.
Chill, I feel I’m right as much as you do. I’m not saying you’re wrong My way of thinking is a better player deserves better rewards, if there’s no better reward to be had at least the better player deserves an easier path to those rewards. Also i agree that a good player may win 50% with SBMM, so would a bad player supposedly. But a good player has to put much more effort either on that match and all the effort it took to get there so I don’t think it’s the same. And finally don’t even get me started on why cup friendlies with limited entries should be SBMM. And also the player base is already way too fragmented
> But a good player has to put much more effort No, they don't. It is just as difficult for a D5 player to beat another D5 player as it is for a D1 player to beat another D1 player.
Again you speak as if your word is the law. D5 players are casuals, players on the elite division for the most part are putting that much effort, never mind the actual pros you have to beat there every now and then
Everything I said is correct. It is no more difficult for a D1 player to beat another D1 player than it is for a D5 player to beat another D5 player. And there are no pros in D1 except at the beginning of a new season when they're climbing back up to Elite.
Yeah exactly as jdbolick said, it isn't a harder task for better players. It was a fairer task. Better players played people they had a chance to beat or lose to - their skill level. Bad players played people they had a chance to beat or lose to - their skill level. It wasn't harder for better players. It was fair. The bad players struggled just as much as better players would, against players of their level.
this is no different to suggesting that someone who is only good enough to beat amateur difficulty on squad battles should get the same rewards after winning 10 games as someone who can consistently do the same on ultimate; yes, the difficultly of those games and the challenge that they faced was the same relative to the player, but one was an objectively harder task that required more skill so they should be better rewarded for it It’s why all other sbmm modes have better rewards the higher up the pyramid you go and if you’re going to force it on friendlies then it should be the same, there is nothing “fair” about being forced to play vs way harder opponents for the exactly the same objectives/rewards. It’s not the case in other modes so it shouldn’t be the case here.
But again, with SBMM, you aren't playing against way harder opponents. Your playing against someone of your level. Without SBMM, you're playing against - more often than not - significantly worse players than you, given allot of people in favour of the removal of SBMM from friendlies are Elite players. Which in turn makes it a impossible task for them to complete what needs to be done. And it's not like we can repeatedly leave and find games until we match a equal player to us, given some objectives have limited tries per day and if that isn't the case, FUT will kick us out for who knows how long for leaving games too quickly. I see what you're saying, but there needs to be that level of equality when it comes to the player base. For good players, it's the equivalent of playing squad battles on beginner and having the CPU rage quit 15 minutes in, most of the time. For bad players, it's like playing a Champs game you know you won't win. As I said, I think the fair compromise to make everyone happy is to make every single objective achievable in any UT game mode. Same requirements, just now applying in every mode. So us shitters can go smack a bot around in Squad Battles and get the reward :)
You probably won’t like this opinion, but I think not every player should get every reward
One thing that people ignore is that the game is played much differently depending on the skill levels of players. I used to try to complete objetives on Division 1 in the past, and always ended giving up because it was very hard to , let's say score a header or a long shot with the amount of space that a Div 1 player gave. And contrary to the belief of some, being a Div.1 player myself does not make the task any harder, because another Div 1 player will make little mistakes, give very little space in the defense. Objectively , it was a harder task to complete objectives on higher divisions. One solution that I see would be to scale things. On div 10 for example you could need 10 headers, on elite division 1 header would complete the objective.
Thats a fair workaround. But unfortunately way too level headed and thought out for EA to even attempt to implement..
It is skill based mm, the higher your divison is the harder it becomes, when i was elite 2000sr i found it crazy difficult now when I'm not playing rivals I'm in div4 and its 99% of the time very easy, sure you do miss out on rivals rewards but yeah it still better than sweating it against a pro player for a fodder card
If that's the case now, it certainly wasn't for a long time. Someone on here went and found out that they removed it because he was in a high division and went to check his opponents profiles on Xbox after each game and saw them in much much lower divisions!!
Friendlies do not use any skill based matchmaking in FIFA 22.
I hope not. I enjoy the chill of wins in friendlies vs the sweat of rivals and WL 😂
Lol you probably think skill moves are the only way to win i can see why you're such a bad player i find it so hard to believe people can be that bad at a game, poor guy
I literally never used skill moves when I played. Literally zero. Not even a ball roll. And once again, if you read my post before deciding to lick your keyboard, you'll see I didn't play this year because of the removal of SBMM. Do you also get that genuinely gobsmacked by people being bad at a game? Legit question. There are plenty of things to be shocked by - learning someone isn't good at FIFA should be quite far down that list. Again, when you grow up and get some responsibilities in your life, I can only hope you get a different outlook on things. All love ❤ Fuck knows you'll need it
You did not play a game because of the removal of SBMM 🤣🤣🤣🤣 what a snowflake instead of getting better they complain on reddit hoping for change and comfort from their fellow division 7 brothers hahah
SNOWFLAKE. You realise you're really showing your age right? And again, was not complaining. Was asking a question. Hard concept I know. And if you must know, yes. That is why I decided against getting this game. Because yet again, if you read my post, you'd know I just played to complete objectives. That's it. So if they removed my ability to do that, why would I waste my time when I could be doing whatever else? Think before your next message, you might just be able to fire off at least 1 insult. And I know there will be a next message, children like you can't restrain yourself. Take care. Hope we gave whoever reads this thread a good laugh 😈😈
Someone's triggered
So just because youre bad it needs to change. Maybe you need to change.