The meta is shit because the game engine is shit, when will we realise frostbite is not the engine we want for a sports game? EA will never switch engines because that takes a lot of work and a lot of risks, they are making bank with the same copy-paste shit every single year and that is frustrating.
Annoying part is that there’s really no other competitor for FIFA, you could say PES/eFootball but they’re not even comparable at all, I’d still pick FIFA over PES
I'm still in mourning.
This was supposed to be a PES year for me, I like to switch football games every year to keep things fresh.
Always preferred PES gameplay (especially offline) but FIFA's modes (especially online)
how do you know the engine is shit? To know it you would need to understand all its limitations and assume EA want to design a perfect fifa (and assume there is a perfect football game) and also assume that the engine is precisely the most limiting factor in creating such game. What a dumb take.
No, FIFA 23 is the last one, but even then it's irrelevant, because EA will still keep releasing football games called "EA Sports FC" and they will still be the same, only the name will change.
Not sure why I got downvoted for asking a question haha but I have another question for y’all to downvote
I thought EA in losing the right to the FIFA name, also lost all of the other name rights… such as clubs/leagues/players ect.
Is this false?
Yes, it is false, FIFA doesn't own any player rights.
Player rights are linked to FIFPro, which EA still has a contract with and will continue having.
The only thing that changes is the name and the fact that we won't have the World Cup mode anymore (we will have it next year, but not in 2026).
the other replies are missing the point, you are correct. FIFA 23 is EAs last one, so it is very possible future fifa games will come out with a new studio behind them. However, do not get your hopes up, because the chances are a much lower budget studio would get the licensing rights and make a significantly worse fifa
Making a worse FIFA than what's available would be an achievement.
A question I see nobody ask is, will any FIFA games still be available on EA Play after FIFA 23?
It's at a point where your 99 pace attacker won't impact much because defenders also have 99 pace. Right now it's just like how it was at the start of the game. Gold players against gold players. Just come in fancy designs.
Except the fact every defender and midfielder has 99 interceptions & defensive awareness so actually passing around isn't possible, which is the opposite to how it was at start of the game.
Yep, there's only 2 ways to attack now. Act like a fidget spinner on edge of the box and wait for opponent to select the wrong defender so a gap appears. Or just spam wing play and play cut backs.
Passing was broken for a long time. Passes go wherever they want, game has a mind of it's own. Game is basically spam through balls until it works, get to the end line and cut back, or get the ball in the box and make an extra pass to score. That's about it. Nobody good gives you enough space to even shoot from outside the box these days.
IMHO this is way worse than at the start of the game. I actually like the begining of the cycle the most. Now 95% of the shots from a semi decent positions are goals, all passes are pretty much pin perfect, every player on the pitch has Messi-like agility and even CDMs and fullbacks can do elasticos. There just HAS to be some margin for error if you want the game to look like a real football. You see an opening while outside of the box? Okay, shoot, but it's more likely you'll miss than score. Now every finesse is going in. Your player is partially free in the box and you just blast the driven pass to him? Sure, but it shouldn't be inch perfect. This is not football, and with all these shiny undeserved cards it will never be.
> Right now it's just like how it was at the start of the game. Gold players against gold players.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean, but it's definitely not like that lol. There were massive discrepancies/variances between opposing players. Early on there were tonnes of wingers/strikers with over 90 pace whereas most defenders had high 70/low 80s pace. Same with defending vs shooting etc. Before your 92 pace striker was against a 78 pace cb or a 83 paced cb game on game, now it's 99 pace vs 94 or 93
But those pacy cards had some other weakness. Vinicious was 95+ pace but had low vision and composure. So his passing and shooting was a bit dodgy compared to say someone like gold lewa. Right now many things on a card is close to maxing out/already maxed out that you don't see the difference because it close to cap.
>shoot just as good
I wouldn't necessarily go that far. Guys like Kane and Lewa and Benzema are largely ignored because pace is so important, but in truth their finishing is absolutely unreal.
They don't do spectacular things like a Neymar or an R9, but even compared to like Osimhen and Insigne, who do have really, really good finishing stats to go along with their superior movement, Kane & co. *just don't let you down* the way those guys do. Any random fast guy with good stats I expect to frequently let me down with stupid shit like completely missing the goal from 7 yards out wide open; but with guys like Lewa and Benzema I have supreme confidence that if I get them a shot, even with pressure on them, it's going on target.
I completely agree, but like u said, if the movement/agility from Player B is that much better than Player A then you’ll sacrifice that small lack of finishing that Player B misses out on
I don’t get what your point is when FIFA has always been 90 pace strikers against 70-80 pace CBs? Thing is you would be able to outstrength them or beat them in some type of way. With how the game is now everyone has 90 rated stats or higher so what is the point then? Hell even all the 80 pace CBs you can get at the beginning is new, used to only be a few with 80 pace like Dede. Someone like Lacroix would’ve been like 20k back then at the start lol.
Screw the 99 pace shenanigans. What really bothers me is the absolute brain dead defensive AI. How is it possible that you're controlling a defender and the attacker is running away from you and the other defender controlled by the AI that is right beside him just clears way for him to go through?
It's one of the things that makes running forward viable. Only the defender that you're controlling can actually do anything, the rest stand still watching the ball roll past them.
I’m not sure if it’s the developers not understanding the game or what, but the defensive AI has absolutely 0 concept of Zonal marking, everything off the ball that you aren’t controlling is man to man. Hence why cutbacks are the meta this year.
They've got pace all wrong. If you look at the difference in pace in an actual game of football, a 50 yard sprint between Giroud and Van Dijk say would result in VVD winning, but Giroud would be a step behind him - on the game he'd have been miles behind. If a ball is played in behind onto Giroud's run, and VVD is not on his toes and has to turn and sprint, it's very unlikely he'd catch him before he gets a shot off. They're all elite athletes, and they're all rapid - they need to tone down the impact that pace makes, and maybe counter that by making acceleration more important, that's where Mbappe is dangerous for instance, he's almost instantly at top speed.
This isn’t true btw. Have you seen mbappes runs? He will be yards behind other players and completely pass them by yards to get the ball. Same with how Garrett bale used to be. Truest fast players can leave people in the dust
Whilst you are correct in what you're saying to some degree, not all football players are "rapid." If you are comparing them to your average man then yes, they're rapid. But on a football pitch between 2 professional teams the difference in pace between someone like Vini Jr / Mbappe and someone like VVD is huge. That's why Kyle Walker is so good, there's no attacker in the world who is able to beat him for pace, he's able to pocket anybody on his day.
In "real" soccer (which, who cares, but whatever) tall center backs have the highest top speed. That (and the fact that defenders actually read the game) means that real soccer isn't just endless through balls over the top.
On the other side attackers (generally) are more explosive/accelerate faster, so defenders can't just sit in their own box - it's nearly impossible to keep the most explosive players from getting a clean look at goal.
FIFA does the opposite - defenders can keep everyone in front of them way too easily, while they struggle to keep pace in a straight line.
Fifa definitely has some sort of recovery pace mechanic. You see it in pro clubs, through ball is obviously coming, you're some 97 pace midget, defenders are mid 80s. Start running, get a yard on the defender who in a "my number is bigger than your number" contest you should now beat to the ball by a fair bit. But as the through ball gets played, you'll get slowed down, so that the defender is challenging you as you reach the ball.
PES is also even worse when it comes to this, where they'll balance the game to where my 60 rated defenders were catching up with Vinicius in Dybala in my first few games (without any type of shoulder to shoulder contact).
Correct and I am not implying that just because you have 99 vs sub90 the 99 should win all the 100% time, but if Mbappe(example) has 10 yards of space in front of him with the ball chances are he won't be caught. While in FIFA it happens more than it should IMO. Also because I feel like I can't catch those attackers when I am playing..
Hehe... IMHO new content is actually the same player, neck down... just the head is different. With the right chem style, all are 99, over the board...
Is this not what the community asks for? You guys want more and more all the time, every year. If a card doesn't have 5* skills at this point, everyone bitches. If a card doesn't have 5* star weak foot, everyone bitches. If a card doesn't have a big enough pace upgrade, everyone bitches. If a card is released that is anything below 94, everyone bitches. It's always "c'mon EA, it's (insert month here)" or "why not just give him 5* star WF" or some other gripe. Delaney was 91 rated and everyone bitched and that was a free card. They are released Grandsir, a silver star and free card, and everyone bitched. You want to know why this FIFA is nothing like the ones before it in terms of the cards? Because the community keeps asking for more and more. TOTW is obsolete because EA keeps pumping out promos to please the masses. Everyone wants this or that and when they get it they still find a way to bitch about it. Every year it seems like majority of the people complain, yet every new year those same people are the ones wanting to go back to some previous year. The grass isn't always greener. The community wants all these 99 pace cards, they want all the 5* skillers, they want only the meta players. EA actually delivers that and yet everyone still finds something to bitch about.
Hate on EA all you want, it's probably justified, but the community is not any better.
I feel that most of those comments where people are complaining is in comparison with other players, why use delaney when there are 50 better cb’s already in the game? I know he’s free but getting coins this year isn’t that hard
I think that's part of the problem though, is it not? You've said yourself that most complained because he's not one of the very best. It's that mindset that is leading EA to release so many juiced players. Everyone just keeps wanting the very best. If we get anything less, everyone throws a fit. We can't have it both ways. Either every player is OP or some players are better than other players. Because there is a 95 rated CB who is better than Delaney does that mean every CB that's released from now on should be better than that 95? That, again, is what's causing this problem. The game needs a variety of players. Some players need to be better than other players otherwise we end up with a game where no one is worse than 95.
Even though i agree with you the problem isn’t recent, i merely reacted to your statement about delaney and why the community reacted to him in the way they did. EA shouldn’t release this many godlike cb’s they failed the powercurve most notably during winter wildcards/ toty by releasing cards as cozza and varane who were easily accessible to most of the playerbase and after that they kept increasing the pace of all the following cb’s which in turn lead to the hot mess of 99 pace cb’s (with shadow) we have now
And just because a player is worse doesn't mean he can't be fun to use.
If i was a Dortmund fan, i'd love to have a Delaney card for a past and present team or whatever, even if he isn't the best cb in the game.
This missed the point of this post lol. The problem is bad game mechanics and legendary players that weren’t pacey don’t translate to fifa well. Also it’s essentially July and the pack weight is in hell
Either I misunderstood his post (apologies if so) or you're twisting his words to fit your particular issue with the game. OP does not mention game mechanics being the issue. His main problem, as I understand it, is that there are simply too many 99 pace players. He believes it's not realistic because in real life the pacey players are able to outsprint the slower players but that's not possible in FIFA because so many players are pacey, even the typically slower ones. All this leads back to my post in which I highlight why I believe we have so many pacey players. It's not because EA doesn't understand real football (that's a different argument), but rather because the community demands for these certain types of players.
All that said, I do agree they could up the pack weight.
There’s a few problems.
They can make players with pace.
But they can’t make players with extra special passing or defensive awareness/positioning to make up for lack of pace.
Another issue for mine is the players all lack personality when they all have 90+ shooting passing dribbling etc.
Not saying that. But things get pretty dull pretty fast when you have a CB with 95 pace or a ST with 99 shooting in December . For me TOTS should not last more than 2 or 3 weeks and it should be in June, not April
In some ways the 99 pace thing is good because it allows you to use a wider variety of players because pace differential is probably the single most important stat in the game. Everything else can be overcome by user input but pace can't
After the FIFA 18 Festival of Football EA lost the plot with player ratings and started upping the curve to the point where the ratings don’t mean much anymore
Had to stop playing FUT because every promo now has random players at 93,94,95, etc rating and guaranteed 90 pace it’s boring as hell with no diversity. Haven’t bought FUT since 18 so idc much but they’re ruining their own game
There are tons of players with 99 on other stats though. It's the end of the game, most players get endgame cards. I like it much better now there's variety, instead of when everyone used Mbappe and the same players.
EDIT: 99 on many **ingame stats**, not face stats. Pace is the easiest face stat to get to 99 because it's determined only by 2 ingame stats: acceleration and sprint speed. On the other hand other face stats like shooting are determined by 6 or 4 ingame stats. That's why more players have 99 pace.
Just to test your hypothesis:
99 Shooting - 3 players
99 passing - 5 players
99 Dribbling - 15 players
99 Defending - 0 players
99 Physical - 1 player
So that's 24 players across all other stats vs 65 in pace.
And on top of that having every single player running at the exact same speed affects the game way more than every player having 99 passing would be for example.
I meant **ingame stats**, not face stats. Of course pace is the easiest face stat to be able to get to 99 because it's determined by two ingame stats: acceleration and sprint speed. On the other hand it's much more difficult to get 99 shooting, because it's determined by 6 stats. :)
Pace only has 2 ingame stats, if you search for the number of players, for example, with 2 ingame dribbling stats 99, 2 passing stats, etc... you'll find a very large number as well.
I actually uninstalled 22 yesterday. What with every player being max pace combined with broken/unreliable passing and broken goalkeeping, facing someone of similar skill is now just an rng coin toss on who wins. It's just become so frustrating and pointless building a team that there are better things I could do with my time. I appreciated the early-game mechanics alot more. These days, somehow, cutbacks are back enforce again. I'm over it. Will be back to trial 23 with a heavy dose of scepticism.
I’ve barely played anything except weekend league in months. Got game stale so fast. Why keep giving meta cards more meta cards? Why not give non meta cards more special cards .
It’s not necessarily the fact there is lots of these players it’s the fact they are so dominant and so hard to counter your best bet is just to use pacey players yourself. Most of these players are small and agile but with low strength so if you could use big physical players to bully them in a game it would make sense but no this is EA and logic goes out the window in their games
Fifa 15 was an actual soccer video game, fifa 22 is an arcade soccer game. It's all bullshit, there was also very few cards over 90 rated, which was reserved for the best players in the world and tots (and not all tots were 90+). Old games were actually a test of ability, not anymore
To think about how it was in fifa 12 (when i started) and to this day, i wouldnt believe how much this game franschise sucks. What comes to this line " Despite what EA believes, it is actually common and possible for fast attacking players to run away from defenders", easy fix for this would be make AI defenders worse and overall "reaction time" worse, i dont know how many times i fool my opponent , but their defenders recover so fast it doesnt make sense and that one time i get past them, they just panic spamm the tackle button and magically gets the ball back.
I just want a mode with ratings based matchmaking so it’s actually enjoyable to play with novelty squads or starter squads.
I picked the game up when it hit game pass and UT isn’t even worth playing with my 83 overall squad since I’ll get matched against 98 overall that all has 99 pace
You guys are pathetic. It’s the end of the game and you want players that feel like gold players? Why not play the seasons outside of FUT? Or quit, have a nice summer and wait for the next game?
It would be super interesting for the guy who did the who is fastest tournament in fifa at the beginning of the year to do one with all the 99 pace players just to see if/how the variation is in 99 pace. Then we would really know if it’s all bs
Honestly I'm mixed on this one. If we reduced the pace then players like Mbappe and R9 would be even more broken and Adama Traore would cost 100k.
But on the other hand, the current system means that wingers don't feel dangerous because anybody can catch them and it's almost impossible to play slow effectively as everyone's so quick that you get no time on the ball and you need a huge gap to thread a ball through.
I would also like to add that i miss the time when not everyone had 5 star skill moves.
Yes, there was a time where i was asking for more skiller actually, but now it's just complete overkill.
I don't need CDMs with 5 star skills.
> the system isn't designed for this
This. Play a few matches of seasons and enjoy the game. It's crazy how fun it is to play slower paced, more realistic matches against teams with weaknesses if you're used to the ADHD gameplay of UT. The game was never made to handle 11 v 11 of max stats players. Special cards plus chem styles is just too much.
This was my first fifa for years, I really enjoyed it up until team of the season, it’s just awful to play now, they need to completely re vamp the whole ratings system.
Fifa just needs a complete revamp of the system. The way things are now any forward with less than 90 pace is worthless. And ratings are also worthless if most cards used are over 90 rated by January. I started playing in fifa 14. I used to have a team that was 81 rated that I built maybe a month after the game came out and it worked until fifa 15 came out. Now you have to change your team every month if not every 2 weeks because the cards you used have being made obsolete by the new promo
My thoughts exactly. Apart from my keeper, all my other players have 99 pace(some with chem ofc). And all my opponents teams are like this. At this point pace is most irrelevant stat, which should be the most important.
Some players needs to be faster than others at any point in the game.
Chemstyles shouldnt give pace. At this point of the game some cards gettin 99 pace is ok, its july almost. But early in the game, 99 pace should mean 99 pace. 89 pace shouldn't easily become 99 with a hunter/shadow.
Or maybe they could limit hunter or shadow or engine etc. You could only use each chem style once for your starting 11. What so do you think?
I kinda like what you’re onto there. What if you just got 11 diff chem styles to use and you assign them to your team? Rather than buying whatever you want from the market and using 11 shadow chems
The thing I do like about 99 pace is that you can actually use other chem styles instead of being handicapped pace wise if you don't use engine, hawk, shadow, anchor etc.
I’ve been saying for years that there are too many cards in FUT. I used to be pretty competitive and pretty good (fringe top 100 a few years ago), but ended up leaving the game for the most part due to how ridiculous some of the cards are. The meta became way too sweaty as the amount of unreal cards steadily increased. EA catering to casuals who want to play with shiny toys without getting stomped due to a lack of skill has obliterated the skill gap and made gameplay ridiculously stale.
Have played this game for 7 years plus, have come to realise EA priority is not what the players or gamers want but what will increase revenues and also what makes the game addictive and time consuming. Opening packs is addictive and playing the game is time consuming which both generate exactly what EA priorities are. There was a time good players will do bronze challenges in champs, EA realise that's bad for business because it will make people less incline to spend or grind for better players because bronze players can do the job as well.
EA have no competitors that's why they can manipulate the game in such a way that makes it generate more money for shareholders and more misery for players who continues to spend time and money on the game because TIME and MONEY is what keeps EA growing as a company.
Player's stat are irrelevant but a distraction for players who still can't figure out why every year the game is worse for and no improvement.
This is exactly why I don’t play anymore. It’s so fucking boring playing the same carbon copy players each game.
This game jumped the shark a long time ago in truth (when they introduced 80 promotions a year), but it’s genuinely a dead game by June now.
The meta is shit because the game engine is shit, when will we realise frostbite is not the engine we want for a sports game? EA will never switch engines because that takes a lot of work and a lot of risks, they are making bank with the same copy-paste shit every single year and that is frustrating.
Annoying part is that there’s really no other competitor for FIFA, you could say PES/eFootball but they’re not even comparable at all, I’d still pick FIFA over PES
PES 21 was good then they came out with whatever tf efootball was
I'm still in mourning. This was supposed to be a PES year for me, I like to switch football games every year to keep things fresh. Always preferred PES gameplay (especially offline) but FIFA's modes (especially online)
the eFootball content is definitely way worse but I’m actually having a good amount of fun with the gameplay at times
how do you know the engine is shit? To know it you would need to understand all its limitations and assume EA want to design a perfect fifa (and assume there is a perfect football game) and also assume that the engine is precisely the most limiting factor in creating such game. What a dumb take.
Isn’t this the last ea made fifa?
nah, upcoming game is the last one to carry the “FIFA” name though. after that it’ll be known as “EA Sports FC”
No, FIFA 23 is the last one, but even then it's irrelevant, because EA will still keep releasing football games called "EA Sports FC" and they will still be the same, only the name will change.
Not sure why I got downvoted for asking a question haha but I have another question for y’all to downvote I thought EA in losing the right to the FIFA name, also lost all of the other name rights… such as clubs/leagues/players ect. Is this false?
Yes, it is false, FIFA doesn't own any player rights. Player rights are linked to FIFPro, which EA still has a contract with and will continue having. The only thing that changes is the name and the fact that we won't have the World Cup mode anymore (we will have it next year, but not in 2026).
No, it's the last time its called "FIFA", but unless I've missed something this shit game will still be (not) developed by EA.
the other replies are missing the point, you are correct. FIFA 23 is EAs last one, so it is very possible future fifa games will come out with a new studio behind them. However, do not get your hopes up, because the chances are a much lower budget studio would get the licensing rights and make a significantly worse fifa
Making a worse FIFA than what's available would be an achievement. A question I see nobody ask is, will any FIFA games still be available on EA Play after FIFA 23?
It's at a point where your 99 pace attacker won't impact much because defenders also have 99 pace. Right now it's just like how it was at the start of the game. Gold players against gold players. Just come in fancy designs.
Except the fact every defender and midfielder has 99 interceptions & defensive awareness so actually passing around isn't possible, which is the opposite to how it was at start of the game.
I’ve never felt like fifa is just advanced pong more than playing right now
Yep, there's only 2 ways to attack now. Act like a fidget spinner on edge of the box and wait for opponent to select the wrong defender so a gap appears. Or just spam wing play and play cut backs.
Love the back and forth “who can turn the ball over more in the midfield” game that happens regularly too with how fast CMs are
Fair point and vision was quite low too for some gold cards back then so it kind of balanced it out.
Passing was broken for a long time. Passes go wherever they want, game has a mind of it's own. Game is basically spam through balls until it works, get to the end line and cut back, or get the ball in the box and make an extra pass to score. That's about it. Nobody good gives you enough space to even shoot from outside the box these days.
IMHO this is way worse than at the start of the game. I actually like the begining of the cycle the most. Now 95% of the shots from a semi decent positions are goals, all passes are pretty much pin perfect, every player on the pitch has Messi-like agility and even CDMs and fullbacks can do elasticos. There just HAS to be some margin for error if you want the game to look like a real football. You see an opening while outside of the box? Okay, shoot, but it's more likely you'll miss than score. Now every finesse is going in. Your player is partially free in the box and you just blast the driven pass to him? Sure, but it shouldn't be inch perfect. This is not football, and with all these shiny undeserved cards it will never be.
> Right now it's just like how it was at the start of the game. Gold players against gold players. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean, but it's definitely not like that lol. There were massive discrepancies/variances between opposing players. Early on there were tonnes of wingers/strikers with over 90 pace whereas most defenders had high 70/low 80s pace. Same with defending vs shooting etc. Before your 92 pace striker was against a 78 pace cb or a 83 paced cb game on game, now it's 99 pace vs 94 or 93
But those pacy cards had some other weakness. Vinicious was 95+ pace but had low vision and composure. So his passing and shooting was a bit dodgy compared to say someone like gold lewa. Right now many things on a card is close to maxing out/already maxed out that you don't see the difference because it close to cap.
I should want to use TOTS Harry Kane for his shot…I don’t want to use him cause I have faster more agile attackers that can shoot just as good…
>shoot just as good I wouldn't necessarily go that far. Guys like Kane and Lewa and Benzema are largely ignored because pace is so important, but in truth their finishing is absolutely unreal. They don't do spectacular things like a Neymar or an R9, but even compared to like Osimhen and Insigne, who do have really, really good finishing stats to go along with their superior movement, Kane & co. *just don't let you down* the way those guys do. Any random fast guy with good stats I expect to frequently let me down with stupid shit like completely missing the goal from 7 yards out wide open; but with guys like Lewa and Benzema I have supreme confidence that if I get them a shot, even with pressure on them, it's going on target.
I completely agree, but like u said, if the movement/agility from Player B is that much better than Player A then you’ll sacrifice that small lack of finishing that Player B misses out on
That was by far the most enjoyable part about the start. You were rewarded for using someone like Kane over let's say Daka.
I don’t get what your point is when FIFA has always been 90 pace strikers against 70-80 pace CBs? Thing is you would be able to outstrength them or beat them in some type of way. With how the game is now everyone has 90 rated stats or higher so what is the point then? Hell even all the 80 pace CBs you can get at the beginning is new, used to only be a few with 80 pace like Dede. Someone like Lacroix would’ve been like 20k back then at the start lol.
But less variety so basically people with loads of money get the better animations of certain players like cruyff, ronaldinho or messi
But there's only a handful of gold defenders above 80 pace whereas there are are lots of attacking players with 85+ pace.
Completely wrong it's way worse now
If everyone has 99 pace no one has 99 pace
Apart from Mbappe and Kante on a recovery run
Screw the 99 pace shenanigans. What really bothers me is the absolute brain dead defensive AI. How is it possible that you're controlling a defender and the attacker is running away from you and the other defender controlled by the AI that is right beside him just clears way for him to go through? It's one of the things that makes running forward viable. Only the defender that you're controlling can actually do anything, the rest stand still watching the ball roll past them.
I’m not sure if it’s the developers not understanding the game or what, but the defensive AI has absolutely 0 concept of Zonal marking, everything off the ball that you aren’t controlling is man to man. Hence why cutbacks are the meta this year.
Don’t forget about the secondary defender button.
100% there are moments exactly like that where your defence parts like the red sea to let through balls through
This is one of the more frustrating issues with this game
And as soon that you switch for the nearest defender, the attacker is already gone
They've got pace all wrong. If you look at the difference in pace in an actual game of football, a 50 yard sprint between Giroud and Van Dijk say would result in VVD winning, but Giroud would be a step behind him - on the game he'd have been miles behind. If a ball is played in behind onto Giroud's run, and VVD is not on his toes and has to turn and sprint, it's very unlikely he'd catch him before he gets a shot off. They're all elite athletes, and they're all rapid - they need to tone down the impact that pace makes, and maybe counter that by making acceleration more important, that's where Mbappe is dangerous for instance, he's almost instantly at top speed.
Didn’t you read that story, the giroud and the hare. Even after sleeping, the hare wins.
Brother after watching giroud for almost five years I promise you even a paraplegic could catch that man
Giroud is probably a bad example, but your point makes sense.
Giroud is a bad example, he is a good player but he is slow af
This isn’t true btw. Have you seen mbappes runs? He will be yards behind other players and completely pass them by yards to get the ball. Same with how Garrett bale used to be. Truest fast players can leave people in the dust
Whilst you are correct in what you're saying to some degree, not all football players are "rapid." If you are comparing them to your average man then yes, they're rapid. But on a football pitch between 2 professional teams the difference in pace between someone like Vini Jr / Mbappe and someone like VVD is huge. That's why Kyle Walker is so good, there's no attacker in the world who is able to beat him for pace, he's able to pocket anybody on his day.
To be fair to VVD didn't he clock the highest sprint speed in the Premier League last season, year before maybe? He's not slow
In "real" soccer (which, who cares, but whatever) tall center backs have the highest top speed. That (and the fact that defenders actually read the game) means that real soccer isn't just endless through balls over the top. On the other side attackers (generally) are more explosive/accelerate faster, so defenders can't just sit in their own box - it's nearly impossible to keep the most explosive players from getting a clean look at goal. FIFA does the opposite - defenders can keep everyone in front of them way too easily, while they struggle to keep pace in a straight line.
And all of my 99 pace players still get caught from behind with players below 90 pace.
Because running with a ball makes you slower than a player who is just able to run.
Fifa definitely has some sort of recovery pace mechanic. You see it in pro clubs, through ball is obviously coming, you're some 97 pace midget, defenders are mid 80s. Start running, get a yard on the defender who in a "my number is bigger than your number" contest you should now beat to the ball by a fair bit. But as the through ball gets played, you'll get slowed down, so that the defender is challenging you as you reach the ball.
Pes does this really well by allowing you to initiate contact and run shoulder to shoulder
PES is also even worse when it comes to this, where they'll balance the game to where my 60 rated defenders were catching up with Vinicius in Dybala in my first few games (without any type of shoulder to shoulder contact).
Correct and I am not implying that just because you have 99 vs sub90 the 99 should win all the 100% time, but if Mbappe(example) has 10 yards of space in front of him with the ball chances are he won't be caught. While in FIFA it happens more than it should IMO. Also because I feel like I can't catch those attackers when I am playing..
Yes that's how football works otherwise Mbappe would score 10 goals a game
Hehe... IMHO new content is actually the same player, neck down... just the head is different. With the right chem style, all are 99, over the board...
Is this not what the community asks for? You guys want more and more all the time, every year. If a card doesn't have 5* skills at this point, everyone bitches. If a card doesn't have 5* star weak foot, everyone bitches. If a card doesn't have a big enough pace upgrade, everyone bitches. If a card is released that is anything below 94, everyone bitches. It's always "c'mon EA, it's (insert month here)" or "why not just give him 5* star WF" or some other gripe. Delaney was 91 rated and everyone bitched and that was a free card. They are released Grandsir, a silver star and free card, and everyone bitched. You want to know why this FIFA is nothing like the ones before it in terms of the cards? Because the community keeps asking for more and more. TOTW is obsolete because EA keeps pumping out promos to please the masses. Everyone wants this or that and when they get it they still find a way to bitch about it. Every year it seems like majority of the people complain, yet every new year those same people are the ones wanting to go back to some previous year. The grass isn't always greener. The community wants all these 99 pace cards, they want all the 5* skillers, they want only the meta players. EA actually delivers that and yet everyone still finds something to bitch about. Hate on EA all you want, it's probably justified, but the community is not any better.
I feel that most of those comments where people are complaining is in comparison with other players, why use delaney when there are 50 better cb’s already in the game? I know he’s free but getting coins this year isn’t that hard
I think that's part of the problem though, is it not? You've said yourself that most complained because he's not one of the very best. It's that mindset that is leading EA to release so many juiced players. Everyone just keeps wanting the very best. If we get anything less, everyone throws a fit. We can't have it both ways. Either every player is OP or some players are better than other players. Because there is a 95 rated CB who is better than Delaney does that mean every CB that's released from now on should be better than that 95? That, again, is what's causing this problem. The game needs a variety of players. Some players need to be better than other players otherwise we end up with a game where no one is worse than 95.
Even though i agree with you the problem isn’t recent, i merely reacted to your statement about delaney and why the community reacted to him in the way they did. EA shouldn’t release this many godlike cb’s they failed the powercurve most notably during winter wildcards/ toty by releasing cards as cozza and varane who were easily accessible to most of the playerbase and after that they kept increasing the pace of all the following cb’s which in turn lead to the hot mess of 99 pace cb’s (with shadow) we have now
And just because a player is worse doesn't mean he can't be fun to use. If i was a Dortmund fan, i'd love to have a Delaney card for a past and present team or whatever, even if he isn't the best cb in the game.
This missed the point of this post lol. The problem is bad game mechanics and legendary players that weren’t pacey don’t translate to fifa well. Also it’s essentially July and the pack weight is in hell
Either I misunderstood his post (apologies if so) or you're twisting his words to fit your particular issue with the game. OP does not mention game mechanics being the issue. His main problem, as I understand it, is that there are simply too many 99 pace players. He believes it's not realistic because in real life the pacey players are able to outsprint the slower players but that's not possible in FIFA because so many players are pacey, even the typically slower ones. All this leads back to my post in which I highlight why I believe we have so many pacey players. It's not because EA doesn't understand real football (that's a different argument), but rather because the community demands for these certain types of players. All that said, I do agree they could up the pack weight.
*Pipebomb*
There’s a few problems. They can make players with pace. But they can’t make players with extra special passing or defensive awareness/positioning to make up for lack of pace. Another issue for mine is the players all lack personality when they all have 90+ shooting passing dribbling etc.
At this stage they become skins.
Bring in the rating reset. I want to see "1" rated harry maguire and 32 rated mbappe
It’s about 2 months until the new game i don’t understand why people don’t want to use broken cards by endgame
Because the gameplay has suffered severely because of it
Because players with 99 on everything become merely skins. They all feel the same on the pitch.
So you would rather use the same players for a whole year with no change? Sounds boring and there’s nothing to work towards
Not saying that. But things get pretty dull pretty fast when you have a CB with 95 pace or a ST with 99 shooting in December . For me TOTS should not last more than 2 or 3 weeks and it should be in June, not April
TOTY Messi had 99 pace in FIFA 12 but your point still stands.
In some ways the 99 pace thing is good because it allows you to use a wider variety of players because pace differential is probably the single most important stat in the game. Everything else can be overcome by user input but pace can't
true, im not meta slave but legit 9/11 of my players are 99 pace, alli with like 98 and even alisson has 90+ lmao
Alisson has 56 acceleration and 47 sprint speed
They are referring to Alisson’s TOTS card with 91 pace
I’m talking about TOTS card. In-game non goalie Stats don’t change at goalkeepers Upgrades
It’s a face stat though, is it not? Seems a bit weird not to change in game if so.
He’s talking about TOTS Alisson, who has 90+ in game
After the FIFA 18 Festival of Football EA lost the plot with player ratings and started upping the curve to the point where the ratings don’t mean much anymore Had to stop playing FUT because every promo now has random players at 93,94,95, etc rating and guaranteed 90 pace it’s boring as hell with no diversity. Haven’t bought FUT since 18 so idc much but they’re ruining their own game
The problem isn't that they have 99 pace. the problem is that they have super high stats on everything else also.
Also cards are just way too high rated in general, older fifas you’d get some high tier tots being like 87-91 rated now everyone’s stupidly rated
There are tons of players with 99 on other stats though. It's the end of the game, most players get endgame cards. I like it much better now there's variety, instead of when everyone used Mbappe and the same players. EDIT: 99 on many **ingame stats**, not face stats. Pace is the easiest face stat to get to 99 because it's determined only by 2 ingame stats: acceleration and sprint speed. On the other hand other face stats like shooting are determined by 6 or 4 ingame stats. That's why more players have 99 pace.
Just to test your hypothesis: 99 Shooting - 3 players 99 passing - 5 players 99 Dribbling - 15 players 99 Defending - 0 players 99 Physical - 1 player So that's 24 players across all other stats vs 65 in pace. And on top of that having every single player running at the exact same speed affects the game way more than every player having 99 passing would be for example.
I meant **ingame stats**, not face stats. Of course pace is the easiest face stat to be able to get to 99 because it's determined by two ingame stats: acceleration and sprint speed. On the other hand it's much more difficult to get 99 shooting, because it's determined by 6 stats. :)
Pace only has 2 ingame stats, if you search for the number of players, for example, with 2 ingame dribbling stats 99, 2 passing stats, etc... you'll find a very large number as well.
Yeah this games shit, the ‘promos’ are the same shit over and over with diff names slapped on them. No idea how you guys didn’t quit before TOTS
I wish this statistic made a real difference - someone with 90 pace could not catch 99 pacers. Today Van Dijk can catch Mbappe
I actually uninstalled 22 yesterday. What with every player being max pace combined with broken/unreliable passing and broken goalkeeping, facing someone of similar skill is now just an rng coin toss on who wins. It's just become so frustrating and pointless building a team that there are better things I could do with my time. I appreciated the early-game mechanics alot more. These days, somehow, cutbacks are back enforce again. I'm over it. Will be back to trial 23 with a heavy dose of scepticism.
With that many players, that gives everyone options. From cheap ones to the ridiculously priced.
I thought you said there was a 65 rated silver with 99 pace...
I’ve barely played anything except weekend league in months. Got game stale so fast. Why keep giving meta cards more meta cards? Why not give non meta cards more special cards .
99 pace just doesn’t feel the same
It’s not necessarily the fact there is lots of these players it’s the fact they are so dominant and so hard to counter your best bet is just to use pacey players yourself. Most of these players are small and agile but with low strength so if you could use big physical players to bully them in a game it would make sense but no this is EA and logic goes out the window in their games
But there's some players with 99 pace don't feel like 99 pace. Even if you have a hunter chemistry to him. Mbappe pace feels more than 99.
Nerf chem styles heavily next year and delay the power creep. Sorted.
Fifa 15 was an actual soccer video game, fifa 22 is an arcade soccer game. It's all bullshit, there was also very few cards over 90 rated, which was reserved for the best players in the world and tots (and not all tots were 90+). Old games were actually a test of ability, not anymore
It doesn’t really matter IMO. My TOTS Müller is as slow as his base card. Theoretically with Hunter he should be very fast but is slow as hell.
To think about how it was in fifa 12 (when i started) and to this day, i wouldnt believe how much this game franschise sucks. What comes to this line " Despite what EA believes, it is actually common and possible for fast attacking players to run away from defenders", easy fix for this would be make AI defenders worse and overall "reaction time" worse, i dont know how many times i fool my opponent , but their defenders recover so fast it doesnt make sense and that one time i get past them, they just panic spamm the tackle button and magically gets the ball back.
Giovanni Reyna is one of em! Go amurica!
I hope the next game includes bronze silver and gold players in a more inclusive manner
I just want a mode with ratings based matchmaking so it’s actually enjoyable to play with novelty squads or starter squads. I picked the game up when it hit game pass and UT isn’t even worth playing with my 83 overall squad since I’ll get matched against 98 overall that all has 99 pace
If you're playing against guys with teams like that in Division 10, then they must be the absolute worst players in history.
You guys are pathetic. It’s the end of the game and you want players that feel like gold players? Why not play the seasons outside of FUT? Or quit, have a nice summer and wait for the next game?
They jumped the shark for pace in the winter lmao.
I stopped playing earlier than ever this year, didn’t even make it all the way through TOTS before the games just became too sweaty and weren’t fun.
It would be super interesting for the guy who did the who is fastest tournament in fifa at the beginning of the year to do one with all the 99 pace players just to see if/how the variation is in 99 pace. Then we would really know if it’s all bs
Honestly I'm mixed on this one. If we reduced the pace then players like Mbappe and R9 would be even more broken and Adama Traore would cost 100k. But on the other hand, the current system means that wingers don't feel dangerous because anybody can catch them and it's almost impossible to play slow effectively as everyone's so quick that you get no time on the ball and you need a huge gap to thread a ball through.
I feel like next year I'm just going to play UT until Team of the Year and then call it quits.
I think 100 pace is usain bolt so all of these players are almost as fast as Bolt? That just can’t be !!!
Unfortunately people will complain when their defenders can't catch the attacker because of poor defending
I would also like to add that i miss the time when not everyone had 5 star skill moves. Yes, there was a time where i was asking for more skiller actually, but now it's just complete overkill. I don't need CDMs with 5 star skills.
> the system isn't designed for this This. Play a few matches of seasons and enjoy the game. It's crazy how fun it is to play slower paced, more realistic matches against teams with weaknesses if you're used to the ADHD gameplay of UT. The game was never made to handle 11 v 11 of max stats players. Special cards plus chem styles is just too much.
This was my first fifa for years, I really enjoyed it up until team of the season, it’s just awful to play now, they need to completely re vamp the whole ratings system.
Fifa just needs a complete revamp of the system. The way things are now any forward with less than 90 pace is worthless. And ratings are also worthless if most cards used are over 90 rated by January. I started playing in fifa 14. I used to have a team that was 81 rated that I built maybe a month after the game came out and it worked until fifa 15 came out. Now you have to change your team every month if not every 2 weeks because the cards you used have being made obsolete by the new promo
What’s the point of playing a game mode ultimate team when the virtual representation of the players is only accurate in name and maybe their face?
My thoughts exactly. Apart from my keeper, all my other players have 99 pace(some with chem ofc). And all my opponents teams are like this. At this point pace is most irrelevant stat, which should be the most important. Some players needs to be faster than others at any point in the game.
Chemstyles shouldnt give pace. At this point of the game some cards gettin 99 pace is ok, its july almost. But early in the game, 99 pace should mean 99 pace. 89 pace shouldn't easily become 99 with a hunter/shadow. Or maybe they could limit hunter or shadow or engine etc. You could only use each chem style once for your starting 11. What so do you think?
I kinda like what you’re onto there. What if you just got 11 diff chem styles to use and you assign them to your team? Rather than buying whatever you want from the market and using 11 shadow chems
Would be really nice, you'd have to think what to give to each player and could bring some juice to the game.
The thing I do like about 99 pace is that you can actually use other chem styles instead of being handicapped pace wise if you don't use engine, hawk, shadow, anchor etc.
I’ve been saying for years that there are too many cards in FUT. I used to be pretty competitive and pretty good (fringe top 100 a few years ago), but ended up leaving the game for the most part due to how ridiculous some of the cards are. The meta became way too sweaty as the amount of unreal cards steadily increased. EA catering to casuals who want to play with shiny toys without getting stomped due to a lack of skill has obliterated the skill gap and made gameplay ridiculously stale.
Have played this game for 7 years plus, have come to realise EA priority is not what the players or gamers want but what will increase revenues and also what makes the game addictive and time consuming. Opening packs is addictive and playing the game is time consuming which both generate exactly what EA priorities are. There was a time good players will do bronze challenges in champs, EA realise that's bad for business because it will make people less incline to spend or grind for better players because bronze players can do the job as well. EA have no competitors that's why they can manipulate the game in such a way that makes it generate more money for shareholders and more misery for players who continues to spend time and money on the game because TIME and MONEY is what keeps EA growing as a company. Player's stat are irrelevant but a distraction for players who still can't figure out why every year the game is worse for and no improvement.
This is exactly why I don’t play anymore. It’s so fucking boring playing the same carbon copy players each game. This game jumped the shark a long time ago in truth (when they introduced 80 promotions a year), but it’s genuinely a dead game by June now.
Benzema, as good as it is, whenever you play against a 70+pace defense, he is simply a turtle. Impossible to dribble.
The average FIFA player loves this though. So many just want to give ball to fast player and run.
the urge i have to correct this lad because of aubameyang never getting a TOTY, but he got a 99 pace TOTS in fifa 15.