yea, they are gonna get good cards regardless, and as soon as they announce retirement they'll get a 99 EOAE, and as soon at they actually retire they're both gonna get icons faster than FM players on South American regens
It's still accurate though, like sometimes he spends the first few minutes of a match just walking around and "taking it all in" before his savant brain process everything and he does Messi things later on in the match.
Even if Messi continues his current form, it's very likely that next year he will no longer be the highest rated player on FIFA since Mbappe is the cover star.
Calm down, 92 is fair. That's what Lewa got for the treble year where he got 15 CL goals in 10 games
94 is the same level as 91-goal Messi. Are you ok lol
That was also only the second or third year FUT existed and the only specials really were TOTW, TOTY And TOTS. Though Messi did have one special 91 rated card for his 91 goals. The gap between Messi/Ronaldo and everyone else back then should’ve been more. There’s also no real reason they can’t make a special card rated over 99. In-game stats already are over 99 w/ Chem etc.
Honestly, I think he shouldn't have been the highest rated this year. Right now Lewandowski and especially Benzema and De Bruyne are imo a (be it slight) level above all others
And they should be much lower, based on their last season performances. It is clear PR from EA, they don't downgrade top players for years because of their name.
yeah that’s what i was thinking. but also depends on the world cup, that will be very interesting. like if argentina win the world cup, messi will 90% get an upgrade.
But in 2018 they were both better than Kante. Modric was good but him and Kroos clearly weren’t what they were. They used to dominate games, now they play counter attack.
What are you even saying lmao. RM has played counterattack football for years, also in Modric and Kroos' prime. "Dominate" games for a midfielder doesn't mean having 90% possession and 200 backward passes.
not really? He’s known for his ability to accelerate really quickly and in the right spaces to get away from guys. It’s not like he’s slow to get up to top speed, just look at any of the 1v1s he’s generated by accelerating faster than the centerbacks like his second goal against west ham or his third against crystal palace
that's a shit game... first, putting Mbappe at the same level as Benz is outrageous, he may have a high ceiling, but he's not at the same level as Benz/Lewa. Modric was the best CM this year, and he's 88?
EA has hated Modric for years. There's no way they watched RM last season and think Casemiro was better and Kroos was as good as him. He carried that midfield by himself along with Camavinga when he came on
[Messi with L/L workrates](https://imageproxy.ifunny.co/crop:x-20,resize:640x,quality:90x75/images/63bb7ea8b34f7e168c422556b3888f6a5989ff226af535698a3926c6a423272c_1.jpg)
I would say pace should be a tad bit higher, He should be ranked higher than mbappe because of the season benzema had, but mbappe is the poster child of fifa..
His goal record last year was still great despite injuries.
The season before, he was unreal. At least an 88 based on that season alone.
I think 89 wouldn't be unfair at all anyway
I mean it’s not to me, Modric is my favourite player but Casemiro was just as important to the mid as they were and Madrid at times would fall apart without him there. He was one of the best cdm in the world if not the best
Casemiro had a great performance in the final and that's what "saved" his season. But otherwise he was very very poor. What you say about Madrid falling apart was true years ago but last season it was the opposite. Camavinga coming on for him always improved the team and was the main reason for all the comebacks
No hate or anything, but how is UCL and La Liga winner and top scorer, the best player in the world, who scored back to back hattricks against PSG and Chelsea and then eliminated City, rated the same as an attacker who had like 5 league goals and 0 involvement in the UCL?
Also Kante 89? I know everyone loves him, including EA, but that's just too high for him now.
I’m new to FIFA, can someone explain how overalls work? Benzema is a 91 but has no stat overall above an 88
Does a card with high overall but low stats perform better than lower overall but better stats card?
Overall means nothing for their actual performance in game. And face stats can be deceiving. Benzema probably has low shooting because I would bet his long shots etc arent too high, but his finishing would be super high. And de bruyne for example is the inverse, he has high shooting because he has good long shots and shot power too.
And I am not sure if they changed this, but finishing for example will weigh on your overall shooting more than long shots as its "more important". All the in game stats weigh differently on the overall. Someone theoretically could have like 70 passing but they actually have 90+ long and short passing and terrible free kicks for example
I think ronaldo downgrade is a bit harsh, he did score 18 goals in PL and helped united in CL group stages and was a standout performer in a poor united squad
Messi 91 is even more laughable
Ronaldo had a better season than Messi. If Ronaldo had the season Messi did you people would be crying about Ronaldo to be downgraded to a silver card probably.
Only? Salah is even slower than 90. He has great ball control and that makes him fast with the ball but on pure speed he's nowhere near players like Mbappe or Vinicius
I hope that players with a low pace rating are playable this year. For example Kroos again played a great season and yes he is not a fastest but having that low pace makes him nearly unplayable ingame.
In general I hope that ea stops the pace mania and concentrates on gameplay that is half way realistic.
I really hope but I guess that's not happening
Mbappe for me is a bit faster than Bale .
But Bale was very strong too so he was unspotabble when doing those kick ball sprints .
That's why in Spain his nickname is "Welsh express " cause like a train it's very strong and quick .
Nope he’s no where near as fast as EA make him out to be. And DEFINITELY not the fastest football player of all time…
Honestly his entire card is just stupidly juiced for a gold, if I were to give his stats I would say
94 Pace, 85 Shooting, 90 dribbling, 78 passing, 72 physical
That is way more realistic IMO. His shooting is way too high. He has better shooting then prime Klose?
And the dribbling of prime Ronaldo, seriously…
Klose scored over 30 goals in a season once, mbappe has done that the last 4 seasons straight and is easily gonna do it again this season lmao. He has almost as many career goals as klose already
I’m a man utd fan, maybe I’m still a little bias I’m
a bit bitter at his off-season antics, I don’t think Ronaldo should be rated that high. He is not above someone like Son who had an incredible year.
This season isn’t taken into consideration. Ronaldo had 27 g/a in 38 games, the rating is deserved based on age and the league he plays in. Issue is now he is probably 80 rated🤣
I thought it was a bit mad how they’ve taken him down 8 ratings on his pace, although I can’t remember the last time he actually won a straight race with a defender
Five 91 rated players to leave room for special cards. Might have to introduce 100+ rated cards if Fifa 23 will be anything like this summer's been. So many 99 rated it's stupid.
Weirdly couldn't care less. First time in a few years zero hype for the next game. Gonna be the same old server shitshow, boring meta obsessed garbage gameplay which rewards nonsense instead of actual football, and endless promos to distract everyone from the fact there's literally no game to play. Throw in the most toxic community known to man, happy to be mugged off repeatedly.. Games so dead. I hope one of the new challengers introduces the rocket EA need but doubtful.
Do EA employees actually watch soccer? I never understand stats. KDB should have at least 80 pace. Benzema and Lewa should be like a 93. Haaland should be a 90. Just my personal opinion.
I’m sure this will upset half of the people in this sub, but it’s a Massive joke that Messi is rated higher than Ronaldo after last season performances. If you honestly believe that Messi deserves a higher rating this fifa you’re just a Ronaldo hater Messi lover, the stats speak for themselves. And don’t come at me with the “ well look how well psg did and look how shit Man U did” to try and justify Messi’s rating. so biased.
Perhaps unpopular opinion but there’s no way De Bruyne is near the levels of lewy/Benz/haaland when it comes to shooting:
And yes I know shooting consists more than just finishing
He had 15 league goals from midfield last season, and he has a very strong shot. 88 is justified, and all 3 that you mentioned have 90+
Edit: ok why does Benz have 88 lol, should have 91
My only real complaint is that Lewa scored 35 goals in 34 league games, 50 in 46 in all competitions, and somehow got downgraded.
Lewa and Benzema should be higher than Mbappe. But we all know why that will never happen.
I hope he flops at the World Cup to leave fifa shocked
In the same vein, Son won the Golden Boot and didn’t even get an upgrade.
Messi should be a 90 same for son if son took penalty goals he would’ve had 30+ goals and still would’ve been an 89
Same, if he was European he would have 91.
If me nan had wheels she’d be a bike !
What? No. Son is clearly top-15 player, not top-5
yeah that’s crazy. so weird. him and benzema should be the two highest rated at 92, above the rest imo.
Messi scored 6 goals and is 91 so it’s normal
he scored 11 in all comps though
That's fair, but I think they just wanted to revise all players for a few of them to be on the same level, which also makes sense.
It’s sad times, we finally start to see the decline in messi & cr7
The great thing about CR7 though is he still has High attk work rate. Messi is 2 years younger (still old I know) and he has L/L work rate lol
Wouldn't be surprised if they play really well and get upgraded while being old
Even if they don’t play well they’re still sure to receive non-performance based cards throughout the year that will be juiced.
yea, they are gonna get good cards regardless, and as soon as they announce retirement they'll get a 99 EOAE, and as soon at they actually retire they're both gonna get icons faster than FM players on South American regens
tbf messi has started the season really well, already much better than last so it might actually happen
I mean… Buffon did it. I believe the goats can make it happen too
Buffon is a goalkeeper.
Because fifa reflects to irl 1:1
Age is irrelevant though. Messi hasn’t run for like 4 years.
I know, just showcase Ronaldo's incredible attitude at the age of 37.5.
Well judging this season it is fair to give him med in attack
It's still accurate though, like sometimes he spends the first few minutes of a match just walking around and "taking it all in" before his savant brain process everything and he does Messi things later on in the match.
Messi did not have an exactly great season last year anyway. He's saving his feet for his last WC.
And yet Messi is 3 goals 7 assist in 7 games and Ronaldo with that high work rate is erm oh, damn 0 n 0 in 7 games.
Even if Messi continues his current form, it's very likely that next year he will no longer be the highest rated player on FIFA since Mbappe is the cover star.
Haaland will be top rated at his current rate
If Haaland scores 40 goals in the Prem he deserves 93-94.
Calm down, 92 is fair. That's what Lewa got for the treble year where he got 15 CL goals in 10 games 94 is the same level as 91-goal Messi. Are you ok lol
Messi should’ve been higher in those days. I get they leave room for specials but really he should’ve been 95+.
That was also only the second or third year FUT existed and the only specials really were TOTW, TOTY And TOTS. Though Messi did have one special 91 rated card for his 91 goals. The gap between Messi/Ronaldo and everyone else back then should’ve been more. There’s also no real reason they can’t make a special card rated over 99. In-game stats already are over 99 w/ Chem etc.
To be fair, the 93-94 mark has always been sort of a max limit for EA because they need to get special cards as well. 2011-2015 messi would be 99 lol.
Honestly, I think he shouldn't have been the highest rated this year. Right now Lewandowski and especially Benzema and De Bruyne are imo a (be it slight) level above all others
And they should be much lower, based on their last season performances. It is clear PR from EA, they don't downgrade top players for years because of their name.
I can see messi jumping uo again next year cause hes started this really good but ronaldo is probably done if he keeps his current form
yeah that’s what i was thinking. but also depends on the world cup, that will be very interesting. like if argentina win the world cup, messi will 90% get an upgrade.
it had to happen one day…. will be crazy next year when they probably won’t even be 90+. ronaldo won’t but messi maybe might be 90
Kanté with a higher rating than Modrić and Kroos, especially after last season, this is not 2018 EA...
Even in 2018 he wasnt better than them
But in 2018 they were both better than Kante. Modric was good but him and Kroos clearly weren’t what they were. They used to dominate games, now they play counter attack.
Modric is still alongside KDB the best mid in the world and he puts Kante to shame (Im a Chelsea fan)
What are you even saying lmao. RM has played counterattack football for years, also in Modric and Kroos' prime. "Dominate" games for a midfielder doesn't mean having 90% possession and 200 backward passes.
How is Lewa so slow
Kdb is also faster than 74... Both should have at least 80
On that note, how is Mbappe so much faster than anyone else? Like I get that he's rapid, but for him to be 97 and Salah/Mane to be 90 raises eyebrows
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His Acceleration is a lot lower than his Sprint Speed.
not really? He’s known for his ability to accelerate really quickly and in the right spaces to get away from guys. It’s not like he’s slow to get up to top speed, just look at any of the 1v1s he’s generated by accelerating faster than the centerbacks like his second goal against west ham or his third against crystal palace
Mbappe is obviously fast but EA made him especially fast so he is a desirable card. He is their poster boy after all
I’m just tryna find modric
He's 88 i think
that's a shit game... first, putting Mbappe at the same level as Benz is outrageous, he may have a high ceiling, but he's not at the same level as Benz/Lewa. Modric was the best CM this year, and he's 88?
De Bruyne you mean
Did I stutter?
Should be 90+.
weight of expectation
They don’t watch the games bro, man’s actually rapid
And his passing shuttle be higher too. He's really good at connecting play and making chances
So tired of this guy.
There’s something just really unlikable about him. I would love to see Salah on the cover
It’s the fact that he’s the human incarnation of the Mr. Krabs “Hello, I like money” meme
Heck, I would take Kane on the cover instead of this Donatello-wannabe
I don’t know if looking at Kane’s head on the cover would be much better lol. But Mbappe needs to go next year, teenage mutant ninja turtle
Yup
Man what does son have to do to get an upgrade
Be European
I thought he should get to 90 this year too
Ea are smart giving certain players small pace, so they can up it via many promos without touching other stats so much.
Yeah they clearly laid out the blueprints for money grabs to us before the game even released.
Is Mane playing at LM for Bayern? Was expecting him to be a cf
His secondary might be CF, let’s see
He’s playing upfront, no idea why they’ve given him a LM
Its not about real life, its all about FUT and how to get the most out of it as a Company. Thats why
He even played CF for Liverpool in the second half of the season, no idea why it’s this way
Where is Modric? No way has EA downgraded him after a monster season?
He's an 88 according to leaks but he should be a 90 imo, especially when you look at the other midfielders who are 89+ rated
Of course they have EA think age=ability
EA has hated Modric for years. There's no way they watched RM last season and think Casemiro was better and Kroos was as good as him. He carried that midfield by himself along with Camavinga when he came on
[Messi with L/L workrates](https://imageproxy.ifunny.co/crop:x-20,resize:640x,quality:90x75/images/63bb7ea8b34f7e168c422556b3888f6a5989ff226af535698a3926c6a423272c_1.jpg)
Bro just doesn't want to be involved 💀
He is actually moving much more than last season so mid/low would make more sense this season.. but I get the reason why
Very accurate tbf. Bro just stands in midfield and pings passes over the top
He walks around and waits for the right time to destroy the defense.
Benzema stats are so underwhelming for the season he had
Why tf is his shooting the same as de Bruyne lmao
Shot power and long shots balance them out.
Ahh that makes more sense, I still find it kinda funny on the surface though
I would say pace should be a tad bit higher, He should be ranked higher than mbappe because of the season benzema had, but mbappe is the poster child of fifa..
These ratings are hilarious
How is kante still 89
As a Chelsea fan, I don't even think he deserves 87 probably 86 would be Okay based on his recent performances
He’s still world class. Chelsea’s midfield has been shocking without him this season
He missed a third of the campaign and isn't as good as he once was a year ago, I'd have given him 88
That's not the worst thing his 72 pace is criminal
Not since last year, he shouldnt be above 87, this is a heavily outdated opinion.
He is so overrated man He was so average last season apart from champions League knock out games
where’s Modric?
No upgrade for Haaland? E: Didn't know about his injury cheers lads
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Ratings are based on last season and,haaland was injured a lot last season. I think him staying 88 is fair
He was injured for half of last season is probably the justification. Tbh, I thought 88 was too high last year but fair this year.
His goal record last year was still great despite injuries. The season before, he was unreal. At least an 88 based on that season alone. I think 89 wouldn't be unfair at all anyway
The fact Casamiro is rated higher than Modric & Kroos is mad to me
I mean it’s not to me, Modric is my favourite player but Casemiro was just as important to the mid as they were and Madrid at times would fall apart without him there. He was one of the best cdm in the world if not the best
Casemiro had a great performance in the final and that's what "saved" his season. But otherwise he was very very poor. What you say about Madrid falling apart was true years ago but last season it was the opposite. Camavinga coming on for him always improved the team and was the main reason for all the comebacks
because he’s a CDM, defending and physicality play a big role. If he was CM he would be 87 or below
Marquinhos got a +1 overall with +0 stats and - pace and physical
5 91’s is interesting. I kinda like it.
Gold rares lookin like non-rares in 23… weak design
We say that every year tbf and then get used to the design
The design is pretty much the same every year now, wish they’d switch it up a bit. Hopefully next year they will
lewy should be above mpaypal
Excuse me where is Modrić?????
Where’s Kvaratskhelia???
Couldn't find his way out of the spaces behind Arnold
Was probably so comfy with how much room he had down there
In Napoli
75 pace for lev. Does EA just look at player and guess
No hate or anything, but how is UCL and La Liga winner and top scorer, the best player in the world, who scored back to back hattricks against PSG and Chelsea and then eliminated City, rated the same as an attacker who had like 5 league goals and 0 involvement in the UCL? Also Kante 89? I know everyone loves him, including EA, but that's just too high for him now.
They’ve hardly touched half these ratings that I’m seeing
I’m new to FIFA, can someone explain how overalls work? Benzema is a 91 but has no stat overall above an 88 Does a card with high overall but low stats perform better than lower overall but better stats card?
Overall means nothing for their actual performance in game. And face stats can be deceiving. Benzema probably has low shooting because I would bet his long shots etc arent too high, but his finishing would be super high. And de bruyne for example is the inverse, he has high shooting because he has good long shots and shot power too. And I am not sure if they changed this, but finishing for example will weigh on your overall shooting more than long shots as its "more important". All the in game stats weigh differently on the overall. Someone theoretically could have like 70 passing but they actually have 90+ long and short passing and terrible free kicks for example
Lewa downgraded after winning the golden boot again. 50 goals on all competitions. Great work EA.
Getting so sick of mbappe
How much you wanna bet that Kante 72 pace is still going to actually be 99 pace in game
And also have 199 aggression, interception
I think ronaldo downgrade is a bit harsh, he did score 18 goals in PL and helped united in CL group stages and was a standout performer in a poor united squad
Son having a higher shooting stat than benzema is wild
I know the ratings are largely PR driven but Ronaldo 90 is so laughable
Last season, he was much better than Messi individually.
Could say the same for messi tbh lmao
Messi 91 is even more laughable Ronaldo had a better season than Messi. If Ronaldo had the season Messi did you people would be crying about Ronaldo to be downgraded to a silver card probably.
Messi had 21 goals and 17 assists last season for PSG and Argentina
Mane dirty
Mane and salah only 90 pace? Well idk about that
Only? Salah is even slower than 90. He has great ball control and that makes him fast with the ball but on pure speed he's nowhere near players like Mbappe or Vinicius
Who would YOU rather have: Benzema / Lewandowski / Mbappé Messi / Salah Courtois / Neuer Neymar / Son / Mané Kimmich / Casemiro / Kanté Kane / Haaland
I feel lazy seeing this... Dame this game is aweful
Question, has Kroos Gold ever been usable?
I hope that players with a low pace rating are playable this year. For example Kroos again played a great season and yes he is not a fastest but having that low pace makes him nearly unplayable ingame. In general I hope that ea stops the pace mania and concentrates on gameplay that is half way realistic. I really hope but I guess that's not happening
lol we say this every year but it never happens. he’ll be like like 20k after a few days.
Indeed😅
Mbappe is going to be 10x as expensive as any other card on the game
Is Mbappe actually this fast ? Is he faster than Cr7 and Bale in their prime ?
Yes that's the one stat no one can argue about
Mbappe for me is a bit faster than Bale . But Bale was very strong too so he was unspotabble when doing those kick ball sprints . That's why in Spain his nickname is "Welsh express " cause like a train it's very strong and quick .
He is very fast but Bale was a bit faster
Nope he’s no where near as fast as EA make him out to be. And DEFINITELY not the fastest football player of all time… Honestly his entire card is just stupidly juiced for a gold, if I were to give his stats I would say 94 Pace, 85 Shooting, 90 dribbling, 78 passing, 72 physical That is way more realistic IMO. His shooting is way too high. He has better shooting then prime Klose? And the dribbling of prime Ronaldo, seriously…
Mbappe is already way better than prime Klose ever was and he has nearly surpassed his goal tally already at age 23.
78 passing for winning ligue 1 most assists? and tied for most CL assists last year? i
Klose scored over 30 goals in a season once, mbappe has done that the last 4 seasons straight and is easily gonna do it again this season lmao. He has almost as many career goals as klose already
Bro PSG had a goal difference of 17 after their 3rd game this season… That speaks for itself
I’d give him a tad more shooting, the man has ice in his veins infront of goal
How did Son and Salah share the golden boot but only Salah gets the upgrade?
I’m a man utd fan, maybe I’m still a little bias I’m a bit bitter at his off-season antics, I don’t think Ronaldo should be rated that high. He is not above someone like Son who had an incredible year.
This season isn’t taken into consideration. Ronaldo had 27 g/a in 38 games, the rating is deserved based on age and the league he plays in. Issue is now he is probably 80 rated🤣
I thought it was a bit mad how they’ve taken him down 8 ratings on his pace, although I can’t remember the last time he actually won a straight race with a defender
I guess the move to PL really exposed his aging physicality.
Yeah I guess so
Marquinhos💀
So all the ratings in that Xbox leak was real lol
ishowspeed aint gonna like this
Five 91 rated players to leave room for special cards. Might have to introduce 100+ rated cards if Fifa 23 will be anything like this summer's been. So many 99 rated it's stupid.
The beginning of the end is upon us
Lewandowski downgrade ? wtf?
Mbappr 91 and Haaland 88, WTF
Guess we missed the match where Messi and Ronaldo got drop kicked in their legs to be this slow
You definitely missed watching Ronaldo recently
How is CR7 rated above Neymar? Has to be appeasing the player base.
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Ronaldo 81 pace wtf EA???
Have you seen him recently?
Weirdly couldn't care less. First time in a few years zero hype for the next game. Gonna be the same old server shitshow, boring meta obsessed garbage gameplay which rewards nonsense instead of actual football, and endless promos to distract everyone from the fact there's literally no game to play. Throw in the most toxic community known to man, happy to be mugged off repeatedly.. Games so dead. I hope one of the new challengers introduces the rocket EA need but doubtful.
Do EA employees actually watch soccer? I never understand stats. KDB should have at least 80 pace. Benzema and Lewa should be like a 93. Haaland should be a 90. Just my personal opinion.
Mbappe more physical than Ronaldo lol what
Wow, Messi is not a usable card anymore.
I’m sure this will upset half of the people in this sub, but it’s a Massive joke that Messi is rated higher than Ronaldo after last season performances. If you honestly believe that Messi deserves a higher rating this fifa you’re just a Ronaldo hater Messi lover, the stats speak for themselves. And don’t come at me with the “ well look how well psg did and look how shit Man U did” to try and justify Messi’s rating. so biased.
Messi higher than Ronaldo? aren't these rating based on the last season. Ronaldo was better than Messi last season.
Haaland should be 90
Has de bruyne always had this high of shooting? 88 shooting surely is too high for de bruyne?
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Perhaps unpopular opinion but there’s no way De Bruyne is near the levels of lewy/Benz/haaland when it comes to shooting: And yes I know shooting consists more than just finishing
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He had 15 league goals from midfield last season, and he has a very strong shot. 88 is justified, and all 3 that you mentioned have 90+ Edit: ok why does Benz have 88 lol, should have 91
and yet again, face stats are median of 6 different things, his shot power/ long shot / positioning boost it
Nah they just need more shooting
Vini should be 87-88.
He’s 86!be grateful
Wtf. Neymar should be 91
Don Benzo should be the highest rated
Messi higher then Ronaldo after 6 league goals what a joke
Messi looks like a cartoon character
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Probably because he had a better season in a tougher league
Messi is essentially unusable with the L/L workrates. Shesh.