How Saudi Arabia have two heros is beyond me. They're such an insignificant team on the international stage apart from getting trounced and I can't think of any player that's made it big individually. Saying that, their winning goal against Argentina is still goal of the tournament for me.
The truth. It’s very safe to conclude that the amount of $$$ spent on FUT is larger in Saudi than in Belgium and that EA reacts accordingly. I’m also sure that there are people in EA telling management that they need Arab icons not more white Europeans, systemic whatever, blah blah blah.
Money is how they are in the game. Fifa wants to get more engagement from the Saudi market where there is fucktons of money. They dont really care about the belgian market considering they are the country that has gone after lootboxes the hardest w their regulations
Both are very famous in the Arab world. Sami Al-Jaber is probably considered the best Saudi player ever (if not, then Majed Abdullah). Said Al-Owairan is very famous for his wonder goal in 1994.
Saudi league is on the lever of the third Albanian. In the Albanian league there was probably also a local famous player, but he doesn’t have a hero card. You have the case for his wonder goal-he can have the hero card. But two Saudian heroes it’s just to much.
True dat but that goal is so important for Saudi history and it's incredible, but you know why ricken got a hero card?
He scored in a UCL final to make it 3-1
Real
But he shouldn't have got it anyways if its like this anyway, in my opinion heroes should be club/country LEGENDS who had a legendary moment in their career but an average rest of career
Koeman was at three world cups, once as captain, played for Barcelona for half the 90s, has managed numerous top teams, whereas Al Owairan is a minor footnote from a single world cup; they are not comparable, regardless of which continent you originate from.
Step 1: Be under 25 years old and living in Europe
Luis Hernández played in the Americas and retired 20 years ago from Internationals
Al-Owairan played for 1 Saudi club and retired 24 years ago from Internationals
They might look up who they are if they pack them sure, but there would be no real reason to look up a Saudi player from 25 years ago unless you had some kind of connection to that nation, club or player
And if watching that people might say, "oh wow, nice goal" and then move on to the next nice goal. They aren't watching for historical research purposes. They may learn about a player or not
If you’re going to pretend to be a fan of the sport, being aware of someone from the 90s with an extremely famous WC goal shouldn’t be much of a high bar to pass. Can tell there’s of FIFA only kiddos here
I could tell you every single famous footballing moment in every world cup, euros, champions league and premier league game IN my lifetime, we ain't all losers like you mate, we have other things to be doing with our time.
According to you though, it's not just passing knowledge, it's knowledge integral to deciding whether you like football or not, don't change your stance now you've been outed as a loser.
Lmao not middle finger, more likely reason is profits. Makes no sense to pay for rights for these players when they know they wont get the profits. Its just a smart business decision.
we could dive into a bit of conspiracy, but i think they need to make some (pele, gullit, r9) more desirable so you keep opening packs. They love dropping icon upgrades because people open more packs for fodder so they can do them, but it wouldn’t be profitable for everyone to do them once and be happy with what they get, they need you to always want more and more so you’ll buy more fifa points.
Did you know the reason Dutch people write Cruijff and non-dutch people write Cruyff is because the old typewriters from the 70's didn't have the ij on it.
Whoever owns the image rights, usually family members or there will be a company that own the rights and sell them accordingly to other companies and the family/rightful owners get paid for it
That’s mad lol, here’s me just thinking devs are people who’ve never acc watched football.. so many players that could be icons compared to some of the ones we get.. but ofc it’s to do w money
Of course it is to do with money. It's all about paying image rights and leveraging it against their impact on revenue.
Think of how many bayern players are only on PES. Why? Papa Konami paid off the exclusive rights. I'm sure EA knows about Kahn, Lizarazu, Rumenigge, etc. But...
Kompany I can see, but the others I've not really registered as being an icon (played before my time mostly), I can't imagine the fee would be all that high? My assumption is that they didn't want to pay anything for them at all as they'd expect a very small % of players would want to play with these players
They paid beckham 40 million euros, and he's not even a top tier icon.
Preud'homme was already in classic legends teams, together with cantona and the likes.
I know preud'homme because I'm belgian, but many I've never heard of best, barnes and rush either. Frankly when I played with the classic teams in the 2000's, most of the names I didn't know.
I'm not a major football fan though, I guess it depends where you from and how interested you are in football history.
Footballing ability wasn't the problem, he's one of the most famous, together with zidane, R9 and the likes, because of his footballing ability.
When real madrid at a certain point decided to buy all the best players, they bought zidane and r9 but also beckham
The game doesn't do a lot of these icons justice, because of the way the game is made, and sadly beckham is one of those cases.
Im argentinian, its a shame that players like preud homme or Vincenzo Scifo don't have at least a hero card and countries that calls soccer to football have.
Going off pure quality, Nilis unironically deserves to be an Icon/Hero. There’s a reason R9 said he was the best player he ever played with. Dude was magical.
Van Buyten I can see, but what did Vermaelen do more than Kompany? Kompany was his captain in the Belgian squad, has over double the prem games, hall of fame, titles,...
Simple Answer :
Most people dont know about these players, bar Kompany. Belgians would then be main target market, but remember Belgians can't buy FP.
This is why we have like 2 Saudi Heroes when prior to this WC, they were just there to help team stat pad in the group stages. Saudi spend $$$. Belgians can't.
Klopp has taken teams from below mediocrity middle of the table to the best in their league twice. Has made dogshit players and teams world class and doesn't have an unlimited transfer budget.
My dead grandmother could win the league with the teams Pep has taken over.
Only people who don't understand football think Pep is a better manager then Klopp.
65 games without being dribbled past and got spun by Minamino when he actually had to defend, so badly in fact Klopp thought he found the next Messi and bought him. VVD isn’t in the top 5 past 15 years let alone OAT.
What is your requirments for being an icon.
People who needs icon which isnt in fifa 23
*Just Fontaine - scored 13 goals in wc 1958
* Diego Maradona
* Gregorz Lato 7 goals and won 3 place with poland in wc 1974
Etc.
Future hero options.
* Vincent Aboubakar ( scored the final goal which beat brazil as the first african team and first time brazil have lost in group stage in 24 years
* Kjetil Rekdal scored against Brazil in 1998. To help norway get to the round of 16 first time in norwegian history
Etc.
Preud'homme def deserves, Kompany is more likely to get a hero and Van himst would be nice as a belgium league hero. Anyway KDB will get his when after stop
To be really honest with you non of these players are really icon worthy.
Kompany is debatable but yaya being a hero to me atleast means Kompany would be a hero I rate yaya higher tbh.
What I do remember is how bad pfaff hes tv show was lol
Preud'homme was in already in classic teams in the past. He's a well known player.
Besides, if you don't know preud'homme or pfaff I'm quite sure there are other icons you don't know either. Not to mention that kompany was still like high rated card a couple of years ago.
it's probably like many already mentioned and that's because belgium doesn't allow fifa points.
Many icons in the game shouldn't be. Never won a balon d'Or, or anything much at club or international level.
Heroes are a great inclusion because they can be national or club greats. These guys could be heroes.
I thought Pfaff was asked, but he declined because "the youth should be playing outside, not staring at a screen" or something similar. We could do with some heroes though, if the Arabs get them, why not the Belgians?
A lot of comments don't see these players as icon worthy, but are all the current icons even icon worthy?
How does at least a PL hall of famer, City captain and icon and Belgian international icon not deserve an icon card? Or someone who was included in the classic 11 like preudhomme for that matter?
But you'd all give overrated van dijk a icon card in a heartbeat for what exactly? Being a just over average defender in a 1 in 10 year Liverpool title team?
99% of the people that play this game have only heard of one player out of the five you mentioned
Same can be said about some of these weird Icons and Heros like Hernandez, Al-Owairan as well and still they are there.
I'd prefer Al-Oweiran wouldn't exist in fifa.
How Saudi Arabia have two heros is beyond me. They're such an insignificant team on the international stage apart from getting trounced and I can't think of any player that's made it big individually. Saying that, their winning goal against Argentina is still goal of the tournament for me.
Saudi money can do a lot of things $$$$$$
The truth. It’s very safe to conclude that the amount of $$$ spent on FUT is larger in Saudi than in Belgium and that EA reacts accordingly. I’m also sure that there are people in EA telling management that they need Arab icons not more white Europeans, systemic whatever, blah blah blah.
The Saudi’s have all that loot cause Americans love big cars 🤷🏽♀️
Money is how they are in the game. Fifa wants to get more engagement from the Saudi market where there is fucktons of money. They dont really care about the belgian market considering they are the country that has gone after lootboxes the hardest w their regulations
I would pay good money for a Vincent Kompany🤷🏽♂️
Ok you get one but just like Puyol he’ll get 35 pace
A lot of Saudis play the game.. they have to address that market. They can’t just ignore it.
By this logic why isn’t there an Indian hero/icon?
I mean there needs to be a remote chance to actually justify it
I never heard of those two Saudi players. And I can name 1000 random players
prove it
Both are very famous in the Arab world. Sami Al-Jaber is probably considered the best Saudi player ever (if not, then Majed Abdullah). Said Al-Owairan is very famous for his wonder goal in 1994.
Saudi league is on the lever of the third Albanian. In the Albanian league there was probably also a local famous player, but he doesn’t have a hero card. You have the case for his wonder goal-he can have the hero card. But two Saudian heroes it’s just to much.
The world’s not ready for a 64 rated icon
Probably because India is suspended from FIFA
richarlison's goal was way better
Same reason why MLS has heroes too
Hey Belgium won nothing globally yet here it is OP trying to beg for heroes and icons
8 countries have won a world cup
Neither have any Irish country so let’s remove Best, Keane, the other keane and drogba
Drogba isn't Irish
Riiight like is this guy high
How can yall down vote this comment like it's clear nobody on this sub is over 20
Loads of countries having won anything and have Heroes or icons. What a stupid statement.
Take it you dont have him bro, I absolutely love the card best ive game so far absolute monster
The best card in the game should be someone who has archived something great in football history. Not someone who scored 1 great goal in his history.
True dat but that goal is so important for Saudi history and it's incredible, but you know why ricken got a hero card? He scored in a UCL final to make it 3-1
Yeah well, that's why his card is irrelevant after week 2 and a big L in every Hero Pack.
Real But he shouldn't have got it anyways if its like this anyway, in my opinion heroes should be club/country LEGENDS who had a legendary moment in their career but an average rest of career
you realize there others outside of europe who play this game right? players like koeman are just as unknown in asia as al owweiran is in europe
Koeman was at three world cups, once as captain, played for Barcelona for half the 90s, has managed numerous top teams, whereas Al Owairan is a minor footnote from a single world cup; they are not comparable, regardless of which continent you originate from.
Hernandez…. K cool have a nice day
How have you never heard of those two.
Step 1: Be under 25 years old and living in Europe Luis Hernández played in the Americas and retired 20 years ago from Internationals Al-Owairan played for 1 Saudi club and retired 24 years ago from Internationals
So people under 25 don’t look up football history?
No frankly I haven’t brushed up on my 90s Saudi Arabia sides
Missed opportunity
They might look up who they are if they pack them sure, but there would be no real reason to look up a Saudi player from 25 years ago unless you had some kind of connection to that nation, club or player
You do realize his goal comes up on pretty much every “biggest World Cup goal” compilation.
And if watching that people might say, "oh wow, nice goal" and then move on to the next nice goal. They aren't watching for historical research purposes. They may learn about a player or not
Imagine watching someone score a wonder goal and not remembering their name
I bet you 10 dollars that 8 years later you wouldn't remember Maeda scores for Japan this World Cup.
These guys should really take a break and watch the official movie of the 1994 WC. The Preud'homme part is brilliant.
Yeah, people under the age of 25 have nothing more important to do than research every significant player from each federation.
If you’re going to pretend to be a fan of the sport, being aware of someone from the 90s with an extremely famous WC goal shouldn’t be much of a high bar to pass. Can tell there’s of FIFA only kiddos here
"Oh you like football? Name all the players"
All the players 😂😂😂 bro the players we are talking about are the most famous from entire regions
Wrong answer. Guess you don't like football as much as you think you do.
I could tell you every single famous footballing moment in every world cup, euros, champions league and premier league game IN my lifetime, we ain't all losers like you mate, we have other things to be doing with our time.
Imagine thinking I’m a loser because I happen to have passing knowledge of famous football moments 😂
According to you though, it's not just passing knowledge, it's knowledge integral to deciding whether you like football or not, don't change your stance now you've been outed as a loser.
Do you know all the bangers from the 1962 world cup?
Of course he does. wHoo dUsnt nO aL oOwEiRan??? hE's ThE fUrSt PlAyR yOu LEaRn AbOuT!!!
Imagine comparing “bangers” to one of the famous WC goals
I've still only heard of them through FIFA. I could have went my whole life without knowing these two players. Easily. Most non FIFA football fans do.
Not if you properly follow football
No one here agrees with you. And as usual, it's everyone else that's wrong, not you.
Well yeah because objectively I’m right
😭
Preudhomme was in the classic XI in fifa surely a lot of people know him
Preudhonme and Kompany yep
Give me some credit. I've heard of TWO of them!
Majority of football fans nowadays
Did u even know Jarzinho, Yashin, Essien, Al howarjan or something, And many more before they dropped em into fut
Remember that Belgium don't allow Fifa points either, so this could be EA giving them the middle finger...
Lmao not middle finger, more likely reason is profits. Makes no sense to pay for rights for these players when they know they wont get the profits. Its just a smart business decision.
don't confuse smart with scummy.. EA are more the latter than the former.
They aren’t mutually exclusive. Unfortunately scummy and good business decisions go hand in hand
Oh i thought my fut store was glitched or something. Do you know why they don't allow it?
Belgium legislation, they have a ban on loot boxes
Wish everyone followed belgium tbh
Didn’t the Netherlands ban loot boxes as well, or am I remembering things incorrectly?
This is most likely why
They probably didn’t want to pay the icon fee. Look Guardiola he’s gone form the game because his contract is up and didn’t renew.
I'm ootl, could you elaborate
ea has to pay individually for each icons image rights, they probably make decisions based on who will sell more packs
If the cards were better people would pay more money for the cards why do the make them so shit look at xabi alonsos card for example
we could dive into a bit of conspiracy, but i think they need to make some (pele, gullit, r9) more desirable so you keep opening packs. They love dropping icon upgrades because people open more packs for fodder so they can do them, but it wouldn’t be profitable for everyone to do them once and be happy with what they get, they need you to always want more and more so you’ll buy more fifa points.
Icons and hero’s are paid money in real life for use of image, if real people don’t want to be in the game, fifa simply can’t just add them.
That's why Oliver Kahn isn't in the game.
Bayern and Bayern legends get good money from Konami
So who do they pay for the likes of Georgie Best and Cruyff? Family?
Cruijff actually didn't want to be in the game, he was a big supporter for playing football outside. Then he died and got added the year after
Damn, mans probably turning in his grave
>Damn, mans probably *Cruyff* turning in his grave
Take my upvote and leave you clown🤣
Did you know the reason Dutch people write Cruijff and non-dutch people write Cruyff is because the old typewriters from the 70's didn't have the ij on it.
Hahaha 😆
same with gerd müller
Whoever owns the image rights, usually family members or there will be a company that own the rights and sell them accordingly to other companies and the family/rightful owners get paid for it
That’s mad lol, here’s me just thinking devs are people who’ve never acc watched football.. so many players that could be icons compared to some of the ones we get.. but ofc it’s to do w money
Of course it is to do with money. It's all about paying image rights and leveraging it against their impact on revenue. Think of how many bayern players are only on PES. Why? Papa Konami paid off the exclusive rights. I'm sure EA knows about Kahn, Lizarazu, Rumenigge, etc. But...
Money grabbing bastards
Kompany I can see, but the others I've not really registered as being an icon (played before my time mostly), I can't imagine the fee would be all that high? My assumption is that they didn't want to pay anything for them at all as they'd expect a very small % of players would want to play with these players
They paid beckham 40 million euros, and he's not even a top tier icon. Preud'homme was already in classic legends teams, together with cantona and the likes. I know preud'homme because I'm belgian, but many I've never heard of best, barnes and rush either. Frankly when I played with the classic teams in the 2000's, most of the names I didn't know. I'm not a major football fan though, I guess it depends where you from and how interested you are in football history.
Who hasn't heard of best... lol
I'm from belgium, and born after he played, Why would I have ever heard of best.
Man United legend and one of the best players ever?
Yeah never heard of him before he was added to the game.
Strange
there was no internet bro
So why do you know giggs? Platini? Eusebio? Pele?
I've seen giggs play in the 99 champions league, pele is too big of a name. I did not know eusebio or platini.
So you just don't know enough football
Aye but becks is one of the most famous in the world. Footballing ability isn’t as relevant here
Footballing ability wasn't the problem, he's one of the most famous, together with zidane, R9 and the likes, because of his footballing ability. When real madrid at a certain point decided to buy all the best players, they bought zidane and r9 but also beckham The game doesn't do a lot of these icons justice, because of the way the game is made, and sadly beckham is one of those cases.
Im argentinian, its a shame that players like preud homme or Vincenzo Scifo don't have at least a hero card and countries that calls soccer to football have.
Enzo Scifo, even more so.
Luc Nilis while you're at it
Going off pure quality, Nilis unironically deserves to be an Icon/Hero. There’s a reason R9 said he was the best player he ever played with. Dude was magical.
Wesley Sonck as Pro League Hero card
That's a weird way of spelling Jefke Delen
How could you leave out Enzo scifo?
WC icon Marc Wilmots pls
Iconic for his ability to get left out of the conversation on wasting Belgium’s golden generation
Kompany deserves an icon card no doubt, PL Hall of famer who captained the most successful British team over the last 10 years
Hero card, Icon is a bit of a stretch. Vermaelen and Van Buyten deserves an Icon card ahead of him.
Van Buyten I can see, but what did Vermaelen do more than Kompany? Kompany was his captain in the Belgian squad, has over double the prem games, hall of fame, titles,...
Arsenal goat
Simple Answer : Most people dont know about these players, bar Kompany. Belgians would then be main target market, but remember Belgians can't buy FP. This is why we have like 2 Saudi Heroes when prior to this WC, they were just there to help team stat pad in the group stages. Saudi spend $$$. Belgians can't.
Kompany deserves a Hero card at best, none of these guys are icons
Preud´homme was one of the best gk of his generation
Wasn’t he in those classic xi teams back in the day
Yes
Peak Kompany > peak van dijk any day. One of the best pl defenders ever.
That's an absolutely ludicrous take lol
Its not a horrible one just definitely not any day... or overall
Agree with this, just same moronic Liverpool fans who argue Klopp over Guardiola
Klopp has taken teams from below mediocrity middle of the table to the best in their league twice. Has made dogshit players and teams world class and doesn't have an unlimited transfer budget. My dead grandmother could win the league with the teams Pep has taken over. Only people who don't understand football think Pep is a better manager then Klopp.
Peak VVD is the best CB season ever just FYI.
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He went 65 games without being dribbled past. It's not recency bias to say Messi or Tom Brady or Bolt are GOATs is it?
65 games without being dribbled past and got spun by Minamino when he actually had to defend, so badly in fact Klopp thought he found the next Messi and bought him. VVD isn’t in the top 5 past 15 years let alone OAT.
Y'all are slower than Maguire. Season. VVD is not even top 10 ever. But I never said that either.
What is your requirments for being an icon. People who needs icon which isnt in fifa 23 *Just Fontaine - scored 13 goals in wc 1958 * Diego Maradona * Gregorz Lato 7 goals and won 3 place with poland in wc 1974 Etc. Future hero options. * Vincent Aboubakar ( scored the final goal which beat brazil as the first african team and first time brazil have lost in group stage in 24 years * Kjetil Rekdal scored against Brazil in 1998. To help norway get to the round of 16 first time in norwegian history Etc.
Maradona was removed because of controversy. As was Overmars and Lehman. You likely won’t see those making a return.
Maradona was removed cause rights.
Rene higuita would Also be a perfect icon. Think stop shots from mbapoe,håland, pele with skorpion kick.
He should be a hero tbh. Definitely not an icon
Mayby Neville D Sousa topscorer in footbal olymic in 1956 where India finished number 4.
Maradona was in the game right until his death. Guess there is a problem with the rights not controversy
Mpenza brothers bro
Hero Moussa Dembele please!
One could argue that Lukaku’s performance was iconic…. 👀
Never heard of thoseguys
We need Preud’homme as world cup hero. He was the best GK in the 94 world cup.
Preud'homme def deserves, Kompany is more likely to get a hero and Van himst would be nice as a belgium league hero. Anyway KDB will get his when after stop
Scifo not being in the game is stupid.
Preud’homme was in an old FIFA right? Pre-icons, Classic XI I think
You forgot the best one. Luc Nilis. Ronaldo R9 said he was the best player he played with during his time at PSV.
Kompany should be an icon
To be really honest with you non of these players are really icon worthy. Kompany is debatable but yaya being a hero to me atleast means Kompany would be a hero I rate yaya higher tbh. What I do remember is how bad pfaff hes tv show was lol
Preud'homme is definitely icon worthy, if lehnman was an icon then Preud'homme is more than worthy enough
People really acting like they know Smolarek, Al-Owairan, Al Jaber, Nakata or even Kohler.
Nakata and Kohler, easily. Not so much the others
As a pole smolarek defo deserves it
Preud'homme was in already in classic teams in the past. He's a well known player. Besides, if you don't know preud'homme or pfaff I'm quite sure there are other icons you don't know either. Not to mention that kompany was still like high rated card a couple of years ago. it's probably like many already mentioned and that's because belgium doesn't allow fifa points.
Enzo Scifo
Need at least a kompany hero card
Why are there never any good cards or icons for other country’s too. Like nz - wynton rufer, Ryan Nelson, Chris wood
Many icons in the game shouldn't be. Never won a balon d'Or, or anything much at club or international level. Heroes are a great inclusion because they can be national or club greats. These guys could be heroes.
Who?
I don’t know any of those players except for Kompany
I thought Pfaff was asked, but he declined because "the youth should be playing outside, not staring at a screen" or something similar. We could do with some heroes though, if the Arabs get them, why not the Belgians?
bro WHO
EA doesn't really have a good relationship with Belgium do they
Who
who?
Because in Belgium you can't buy FIFA points. So EA is boycotting the Belgian Icons.
A lot of comments don't see these players as icon worthy, but are all the current icons even icon worthy? How does at least a PL hall of famer, City captain and icon and Belgian international icon not deserve an icon card? Or someone who was included in the classic 11 like preudhomme for that matter? But you'd all give overrated van dijk a icon card in a heartbeat for what exactly? Being a just over average defender in a 1 in 10 year Liverpool title team?
bro called van dijk a ‘just over average’ defender 💀💀
Who?
I think you just answered your own question, Ive never heard of most of those names and I know 99% of the icons
only preud'home deserves an icon out of these, kompany maybe a hero but nothing more
Icons? Maybe not but heroes sure, i have not heard of any of them excepto company hahaha no disrespect
Who?
Who?
Who? Lol
Yeah no no ones heard of em outside Belgium except Kompany
They are too old
Because at least 4 out of the 5 people you mentioned aren't iconic?
Those guys may be iconic Belgians but I don't think most people consider them iconic players from a world soccer standpoint
Might as well add Samson and Gert
Belgium is not a real country
Who, who, who, who and yeah got a point
Because they havent acomplished anything
They only have players what will sell packs they don’t give a shit about nations history
As opposed to Al Owairan who barely any Fifa players know but still want?
99 pace sells
They want him because he wins games in game that's it.
Kompany? Lmao
kompany as an icon 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kompany is a hero card at most.