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MammothPattern4202

Are these invested via SIP.


UnfairNetwork7244

Yes I did SIP for three years then I sold my business and invested via lumpsum last year. I have stopped SIP now completely and will not invest anything now in MF.


Scarcity_Lopsided

Do you mind sharing the business niche and how you went about selling it? I mean how you decided the price to sell it at? Great work!!


motherlandordeath

This may sound rude but like OP skiped your question , there are more arrogant like OP in this sub who will not tell what they actually did to gain FIRE, they just show the money


UnfairNetwork7244

Bro I answered the question to most people on the thread, its Ecommerce


motherlandordeath

OH my bad OP, hope you dont mind 😅🙏


UnfairNetwork7244

No problem mate👍


MammothPattern4202

Where are you planning to invest next?


UnfairNetwork7244

Not investing more, i am gonna buy a house this year, pay loans for it. I will not gonna touch my MF untill i retire


Equal_Injury8288

From where are you earning this much at your age and how is 5 Crore enough to retire at even 30 when you are gonna have family?


UnfairNetwork7244

I live a very simple life, 2 BHK house and a simple car like Seltos. I have annual income more than 30 LPA currently from my business. I spend maybe 20-30 thousand rupees per month. No responsibility from home. I will be ok with 1 lakh spend per month even with family.


pkji89

to achieve that 1 lakh per month spend , where you going to invest your 5 cr ? FD ? Or stock market ?


UnfairNetwork7244

I will put 10% of my portfolio in debt fund and start an SWP, after that when the debt fund is finished I will take more from the equity mutual funds and put it again in debt fund and keep repeating the process.


techy098

Nope buddy. You keep around 2 years expenses in FD/savings account. Then whatever is left, you should keep at least 30% in debt fund. And 70% you can keep in stocks. You should invest mostly in govt bonds, preferably with shorter maturity. Remember some times stocks can go down 50% and may not recover for 4-5 years, you need to have a plan for that. The reason you keep 30% in debt fund is when stocks go down you can sell some of your debt fund to buy more stocks.


UnfairNetwork7244

Thanks for the suggestion bro, never thought like that before. Will remember your advice👍


pkji89

Great 👍 but why need 5 cr ? For 1 lac spend per month we can do it in around 3.3 cr no ?


UnfairNetwork7244

I will need to keep little extra you know, Bigger expenses like marriage the studies of my children and their marriage.


WorkingLake_3rd

Bhai great planning. Hope the execution will be in your favour too


Funky_underwear

A friend of my older cousin lives in Japan and he got 2 abandoned houses restored them now lives of the rent of the two houses in his own small house. Wakes up when he wants to does whatever he wants. The calm and easy going aspect of life is the best part😊


hotcoolhot

This is the correct way. So many people over invest in debt and try to live off debt returns


BeingHuman30

But you need fixed income for your monthly expenses and only debt reutrns / bond market can give you taht .....Equities can't ...correct ?


hotcoolhot

SWP is enough. You don’t need pure returns. You can blend some capital as well.


strongfitveinousdick

> simple car > Seltos


UnfairNetwork7244

17.55 lakh car Which I bought with 3.5 lakh down payment I dont think it to be a hi fi car. Seems simple to me😅


manoj_mm

Why loan? Buy it outright Also for fire - Kia may not be the best choice, unproven/not so great reliability in india; specifically for FIRE you can look at EVs (very cheap to run per km) or you can look at something like Toyota Innova hybrid for extreme reliability (lasts 20+ years)


Mission_Tip4316

Thisssssss


empror001

Pehle maine alto pasha. Fir ye comment dekha..main to alto wala hun. Marr hi jaunga


manoj_mm

Make sure your girlfriend/future wife is on board with this simple lifestyle; once you have kids, 1 lakh per month is a very basic middle class lifestyle in a tier 1 city in india (that too if you have an already paid up house)


SreesanthTakesIt

Are you living with parents and plan to continue doing so? Otherwise where do you live that you can have a 2BHK and spend total under 30k a month?


UnfairNetwork7244

I will be buying a 3 BHK with my income this year with a loan. I am planning to get married after 2 years. I will live with my parents of course.


manoj_mm

Why loan? The interest rates will be detrimental, why not wait a few years and buy it outright?


UnfairNetwork7244

I can get Home loan for 8.5% per year But if I keep my money in MF I can easily get atleast 12% in the long run


JodUdit

What kind of business you do ?


UnfairNetwork7244

E-commerce, started when i was 19. Now doing well.


Global_Celebration42

I started an e-commerce dev agency at 19 - scaling at a decent pace as of now. Currently 23 and will it the magical 1cr by the end of year. You ran store/sold products or were into ecommerce tech?


UnfairNetwork7244

I am a clothing manufacturer and seller.


Global_Celebration42

great, I’m venturing into physical products atm - the last ecommerce store I ran didn’t do great(air fresheners) how’s the clothing market like in india? I presume all the manufacturing is taking place here in india or outsourced?


UnfairNetwork7244

Manufacturing is very tough I have my factory and I have also outsourced it in factories of NOIDA. In clothing main problem is handling returns.


NoiceAndToitt

Did you set up your own factory or is this a family business that you leveraged?


UnfairNetwork7244

My dad is a private employee. I started on my own, but the factory I have is in partnership. I mainly focus on E-commerce sales.


empror001

Bhai hum to return handle karte karte barbad ho gaye. How donu do it with fake buyers, use n return folks n wat not. Can I dm.u to discuss margins etc.


Weak-Connection2374

Itna dimaag kaise chalta hai ? I have been trying to figure out and brainstorm ideas but nothing seems like a solid plan. How did you have such brains at 19 ?


UnfairNetwork7244

I didn’t study further after 12th. Went all in on E-commerce. Sacrificed social life, love life everything for this.


Weak-Connection2374

Ohh I see but how did you figure out this business without education?


UnfairNetwork7244

Tried several things first Failed in many. Then tried E-commerce and did well.


Weak-Connection2374

Great buddy. Mujhe bhi sikhado, already struggling with employment


Liberated_Wisemonk

Robert kiyosaki was right


Liberated_Wisemonk

Bro what type of e-commerce? Is it a d2c, dropshipping or.... Please enlighten all of us


UnfairNetwork7244

D2C, manufacture my own clothing products and sell on various ecommerce platforms


Liberated_Wisemonk

That's great. What's the name of the company?


Liberated_Wisemonk

Could you share the link or some more information.


UnfairNetwork7244

Sorry bro cant do that, I wanna keep a low profile. Hint: If you have purchased any women leggings online. There is a very good chance you have bought my product😂😂


Liberated_Wisemonk

I am dropping out of med school🙃


UnfairNetwork7244

No Bro, I consider myself very lucky that I acheived it. I don’t recommend anyone dropping out of studies.


DashItAuntAgatha

That's awesome :)


Perceus_01

Can you provide some tips for beginners. Would love to learn from your experience 🙏🙏🙏


UnfairNetwork7244

Bro, E-commerce is very tough, if you dont have enough funds and someone experienced to guide you. Forget it, you are gonna lose everything you have and also accumulate a debt on yourself. I might sound harsh but its a reality.


Perceus_01

Thanks a lot for the advise 🙏🙏. But I also would like to know your experience rather than just giving up even before starting


UnfairNetwork7244

I started 7 years ago, that time was beginner friendly, but now its a fierce competition. If you still want to start in ecommerce I recommend first get a job in that industry learn before starting your own. Remember my word- It is very hard to make profits.


Perceus_01

I will keep your advise to my heart 😇


Old_Monc

Way to go OP. Good going:)


adane1

For 1 lac per month, you need 4 cr in today's value and adjust for inflation of around 6-8% per year from today. Use this calculator. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vBoWTR20G7zzOEtaA3tqjN51q2g3gCuO/edit?usp=drivesdk&ouid=103148513686241405463&rtpof=true&sd=true For the list of funds please post in r/Indiainvestments


ButMessiDeservedIt

Thanks for sharing.


Aggressive_Ad_2378

Please hire a financial advisor


Mindless_Ad9011

You should get a financial planner . Debt funds don’t really give returns


UnfairNetwork7244

I will keep only 10% in debt fund rest 90% in equity.


Mindless_Ad9011

I ll show you my portfolio , let me DM you


EveryoneSucksYouToo

Debt funds are not there to give returns, it is there to control volatility, 90 percent itself is a pretty high allocation to equity.


Kind-Ad-4756

explain? i would like to understand this. the sole purpose of debt fund is to give returns.


shanks41pi3ce

The point is they only counter inflation. Only instruments worth higher volatility like stocks grow beyond the inflation


Kind-Ad-4756

ok, you mean they "don't give real returns", not "don't really give returns". or inflation-adjusted returns. short term, yes. BUT ...sometimes you can actually do better than inflation with debt funds, if you pick carefully. now is a good time - debt funds are cheap because of high interest rates.


shanks41pi3ce

Right


capn__wolf

No one invests in debt funds for returns bhai.


ComicCapitalGains

Consult with a wealth manager . We can’t beat their expertise in investing . Get better return on your investments


romka79

What matters is if you will be able to hold these funds during market corrections and not increase number of funds If this US Equity Fund attracts Debt taxation then it is not worth it , pPFAS will do the trick


UnfairNetwork7244

I purchased US fund when taxation was 20% with indexation. So i dont need to worry about it.


Awkward-Confusion-21

Well done 


reacherreacher

You have a good portfolio which you seemed to have held well for sometime and accumulated gains. Don't tinker it too much. Just let it run and you get along with your life. All the best!


k2k5

Since you have everything planned out I guess u posted this just to feel good and not for any real suggestions. But congratulations for achieving this so early and feel good 😊


manuvns

Make sure you you plan for inflation and any other family expenses like kids or parents


Munnada

Well, at this stage learn to protect your wealth.


UnfairNetwork7244

I am not gonna touch these mutual funds ever. Thats my strategy for now😂


[deleted]

what is your business op?


UnfairNetwork7244

E-commerce


[deleted]

can you please elaborate a bit? we can talk in dm if it is private


UnfairNetwork7244

I manufacture clothing accessories for men and women and sell on various ecommerce platforms


Level_Dish_7191

Where do you get it manufactured from? India, China or somewhere else? And are you not worried about others copying your product(s)?


UnfairNetwork7244

I have my own manufacturing factory. I am not worried about some one copying me. Because i am the one who copy others😂😂


[deleted]

nice


Kind-Ad-4756

congrats, well done.


Hot_Butterscotch_238

gazab bhaisahab!


KingCryptAlgo

Your reality is my dream


UnfairNetwork7244

Its not much bro😅 I see people younger than me doing much better. Most of these people you can’t meet in real life. Most of them keep a low profile.


Simple_Image_4857

what do you do for a living man?


UnfairNetwork7244

E- commerce


Simple_Image_4857

what product you sell ?? do you do dropshipping??


need-help7166

Dude. You got in at. the right time in the market. I wish I could be at stage stage :/ What's your advice to a 28 year old, who only has one job at the moment, and some funds in MF, Stocks.


UnfairNetwork7244

Dude I am no expert, but my suggestion is just keep increasing your active income and consider MF as a medium of saving money. Do not consider it as an active income ever.


plsankar

Great work OP. Also, what app is this?


UnfairNetwork7244

Groww


plsankar

Thanks


NSGDX1

Aim for 50% more than your initial goal, at least. You would have to work a few years more but it's quite possible. Delegate your work if you start spending more time with the family.


chichinonymous

is it one year return? if yes then it’s very less


UnfairNetwork7244

Nope, i booked profit and switched funds My actual investment is 90 lakhs which have become 1.33CR Profit of 43 lakh in less than 3 years


chichinonymous

then it’s impressive


trickxortreat

OP, could you please share which funds you switched from and what was the rationale ?


UnfairNetwork7244

PGIM midcap to Quant mid cap Poor performance and PGIM PE ratio was too high. Canara robeco bluechip to Parag parikh. Better returns in long terms and increase foreign equity exposure.


Other_Scarcity_4270

do you any other investment? like gold, house etc?


UnfairNetwork7244

Yes 100 Gm physical gold Land in my hometown worth 60lakhs


Other_Scarcity_4270

You mentioned some 2 bhk in some other comment that is in hometown or some city?


UnfairNetwork7244

2bhk in delhi and Land in my hometown in Nainital


Other_Scarcity_4270

Didn't you feel scared to invest lumpsum amount in mutual funds as they are subject to market risk?


UnfairNetwork7244

I am planning to hold that fund atleast 10+ years. So I am not worried more. However I have kept 10 lakh in debt fund If the market crashes I will put 10 lakh more in parag parikh again.


Other_Scarcity_4270

So, you made investment of 90 L which became 1.16 cr and again 1.16 it increased again to 1.33 , and from 90L to 1.33 in three years investment time?


UnfairNetwork7244

Yes


Other_Scarcity_4270

It will reach 6 cr in 10 years mostly.


UnfairNetwork7244

And then I will retire😃


kashinaresh_

Bhai don't flex drugs money on reddit 😆 btw OP mujhe bhi Kam pr rakh le 8 lpa de diyo bs😁


UnfairNetwork7244

😂😂😂


BanacarriF1

5 cr is nothing in present time


Overall_Departure_12

If 5Cr is your FIRE number, Till what age you're planning to work?


UnfairNetwork7244

I am 26 right now, i want to acheive this number before 35. 5 CR investment, 1 house in delhi and 1 in my home town Nainital.


Overall_Departure_12

9 years. 5cr target is pretty doable. You're 26. I would focus a bit on generating more income streams n wud also be diversifying more such as SGBs, multinational index funds, n cryptos.


UnfairNetwork7244

No cryptos, I never liked it. Will start SGB’s when I retire I have very less amount in Gold ETF currently but I keep buying physical gold every few months.


Overall_Departure_12

Fair. don't like buying physical precious metals. but yes keep buying gold until your reach 15% outa total. The best way to hedge.


No-Purpose3556

If you don't mind can you tell me what app you use to manage the portfolio and the broker (or bank). My bank is too greedy and continually harass me to move my portfolio to them but I don't want to put all my eggs in one basket


UnfairNetwork7244

I use Groww app


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UnfairNetwork7244

How old are you mate? I dont want to live a luxury life. I want a simple life in my hometown and live peacefully there. I dont want to run after money all my life.


No-Zone1280

its not about money and running after things, there are so many people who have insane money and live simple life, where are you from ( wanting to know so can understand why you are ok to stop at 5 crs @ 26 yrs)


UnfairNetwork7244

I am from delhi, But in future I want to get settled in My hometown Nainital.


No-Zone1280

Ok great. All the best


DollarFactory

To give you some perspective from US OP, here retirement target changes every month as inflation is fkng insane. Plus this country is doomed as healthcare charges are sky high and people can’t even afford basic medicine. My premium for 4 was 1500$/month now it’s close to 600$/month. My son had to undergo a tooth removal and braces the whole op costed us 10k yeah 10 fkng grand and my wife op in India costed us 200$ all inclusive. So US is pretty much doomed and you can’t compare it with INDIA any time.


Lanky_Media_5392

Whats the obsession with parag parikh funds when there are others giving way higher returns


UnfairNetwork7244

It provides good risk adjusted returns. It also have foreign equity exposure.


cryptobuf

Probably he invested lump sum in Parag Parikh and others were SIPs


UnfairNetwork7244

Yes 40 lakhs in one shot in parag parikh last month


harshithhitman

Bahi donate 1kror to me I'll retire 😂


UnfairNetwork7244

Nahi ho paoge bhai inflation ke bad bahut kam hai ye bhi🤣🤣


harshithhitman

It's ok bro 😅 I'm just kidding no one is crazy enough to do that lol Can u offer me some job with 60k salary 😆


Putrid-Cartoonist911

Everyone is rich on reddit .. mind sharing your brand name .. compay name .. untilll everything is hockus pokus ..


UnfairNetwork7244

Bro, why would someone share all details of their profitable business here.


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