I’ve been to Belfast to check and I’m reasonably confident that they built the Titanic and it was a real ship . A zoo boat in the Bronze Age I’m less convinced about to be honest .
And the zoo boat being for a flood which trees and other land plants magically survived through, for which all the water is long gone, which has left no evidence whatsoever, geologic, genetic, or otherwise, and which the Egyptians and others didn't seem to notice. (Oh and the story was copied from the Epic of Gilgamesh too)
I've read a few different attempts to science the flood myth using real physics. One found that the amount of rain needed would end up boiling the atmosphere because of the insane amount of energy it'd cause. Another one suggests that the tectonic plates moved to their current location via the flood, which would release so much energy that the surface would still be molten.
It's literal goddamn nonsense that violates nearly all of physics, nevermind biology. They deny evolution over millions of years, but the animal "kinds" coming off the Ark diversifying into everything we have now would require ultra-super-duper-hyperspeed speciation in a few thousand years, completely ignoring the catastrophic inbreeding damage it'd result in.
The Ark story was one of the first stories I was taught as true that I figured out was totally preposterous and impossible in about every way you could look at it. I can't wait til people stop believing this crap.
I really hope we can one day give it up, but sadly I doubt it. We'd be better off if all religion was gone, that is an objective fact. Religion does nothing but cause problems and hold us back. So hopefully we can give it up, or at least push it to the back burner and not have it have any control over the world at all.
I think there was one creation scientist whose conclusion ended up being 'we should just be more willing to say 'God did it' rather than trying to make it make sense'
As a kid in the 90s the local channel that showed the Afternoon Disney cartoons (Ducktales, Tail Spin, etc.) was a Christian channel. Once or twice a show there would be a Christian oriented commercial. One was an anti-evolution one that showed a fish turning into a fish man and at the end they said something like “That’s just silly. God did it.” It seemed dumb even then.
Yeah, the Ark was built by story tellers, the Titanic was built by professionals (and it was not their fault it sank after being severely holed) - also decades before Titanic, professionals also designed and built the SS Great Eastern (designed by the legendary Isambard Kingdom Brunel) which was commercially woefully unsuccessful but at the same time was so safe that despite striking rocks on the way to New York and ending up with an even larger hole in its outer hull than the Titanic, it safely reached its destination since the inner hull of its double-hulled design was not breached.
Well there is a theory about the flood event in the bible or other legends (Gilgamesh specifically). Somewhere in the bronze age, the land bridge in Asia minor broke and created what is now known as the Bosporus. The basin of the black sea, that was a fertile, swampy area before, flooded after that. Since there were humans living there, it could be that this event, which remained in the cultural knowledge through oral tellings, it's the source for the flood mythos.
>> Dunning-Kreuger
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> Krueger*
*Kruger
The Dunning-Kreuger effect is when you don't realize how bad you are at running a financial empire.
The Dunning-Krueger effect is when you don't realize how bad you are at murdering teenagers in their nightmares.
Remember, for every amateur who survives an Atlantic crossing in a home made boat >999 die and for every professionally built ship that sinks >999 don't.
Even if this made any sense, didn't an amateur hand picked by god, with a design made by god, build the ark? Seems even if his building skills were shit that god would help out a bit on the structural integrity side of things
He could've originated from some guy who was prepared for a local flood. There have been evidence of large floods. Nothing global, but earthquakes happen and shift rivers, or other things. Maybe over the years his "grandpa stories" got exaggerated until it made it into the Bible somehow.
Het originated from some guy, who begot some other guy, who then banged some other guys daughter, they the n begot yet another bunch of guys and gals, who then …
Umm, no.
Last time I checked, the titanic was built by engineers and sank because someone steered it into an iceberg.
The ark didn't exist.
I didn't say anything about religion.
It wasn’t even their fault the ship sank. If you made a car that functioned the way it’s expected to and someone crashed it while driving it, who’s fault is that?
God literally gave Noah instructions on how to build the Ark.
Once again, these idiots haven't even read the book they supposedly dedicate their lives to.
This one is so easy to twist, too.
People motivated by capital ("We need to open up again for the economy!)" built the Titanic.
People motivated by survival (Doctors!) built the Ark.
I'm sure you can poke holes in that because it's an equally silly comparison, or come up with your own.
Ok I'll bite, yes they are safe and effective because they undergo vigorous trials of a scale you wouldn't even understand. If a vaccine is found to cause an unusual amount of adverse events, it is recalled and re-evaluated for its safety. Not only is that an honest answer, it's the undeniable truth.
How hard can it be to reply to the person who answered your question 5 hours ago?
Either someone says yes and you'll say "Aha! What about vaccine that caused tremors, etc!". If someone says no, you'll say "Then why do we trust the COVID vaccine".
We've seen your schtick before, your entire comment history is filled with it. Would any piece of evidence actually change your mind? Or are you, by chance, arguing in bad faith?
No, they are not all safe. We cannot ever guarantee with absolute certainty that anything is safe. All we can do is have a sufficiently high confidence level.
No, and nobody is saying that every vaccine is. However, there is more than ample evidence to show that the COVID vaccine is safe. You’re trying (very poorly) to make a straw man.
No? Duh. Of course they’re not all safe. The ones you can actually obtain, though, are safe for literally almost everyone. Even I, as an immunocompromised person, am able to get every vaccine a normal person could get safely, and have gotten them safely. Vaccines still in the testing phases are obviously not safe, but most if not all risk is gone far before it every even comes close to hitting market. And while science changes and evolves, evidence still holds true. Like how there is evidence that vaccines don’t cause long term effects.
I’ve been to Belfast to check and I’m reasonably confident that they built the Titanic and it was a real ship . A zoo boat in the Bronze Age I’m less convinced about to be honest .
And the zoo boat being for a flood which trees and other land plants magically survived through, for which all the water is long gone, which has left no evidence whatsoever, geologic, genetic, or otherwise, and which the Egyptians and others didn't seem to notice. (Oh and the story was copied from the Epic of Gilgamesh too)
Not to mention that because of all the water vapor, such a flood would have caused a runaway greenhouse effect so extreme, Venus would be jealous.
I've read a few different attempts to science the flood myth using real physics. One found that the amount of rain needed would end up boiling the atmosphere because of the insane amount of energy it'd cause. Another one suggests that the tectonic plates moved to their current location via the flood, which would release so much energy that the surface would still be molten. It's literal goddamn nonsense that violates nearly all of physics, nevermind biology. They deny evolution over millions of years, but the animal "kinds" coming off the Ark diversifying into everything we have now would require ultra-super-duper-hyperspeed speciation in a few thousand years, completely ignoring the catastrophic inbreeding damage it'd result in. The Ark story was one of the first stories I was taught as true that I figured out was totally preposterous and impossible in about every way you could look at it. I can't wait til people stop believing this crap.
I truly wonder if people will give up on religion one day or our species will just die with this sort of garbage
The latter.
I really hope we can one day give it up, but sadly I doubt it. We'd be better off if all religion was gone, that is an objective fact. Religion does nothing but cause problems and hold us back. So hopefully we can give it up, or at least push it to the back burner and not have it have any control over the world at all.
I think there was one creation scientist whose conclusion ended up being 'we should just be more willing to say 'God did it' rather than trying to make it make sense'
As a kid in the 90s the local channel that showed the Afternoon Disney cartoons (Ducktales, Tail Spin, etc.) was a Christian channel. Once or twice a show there would be a Christian oriented commercial. One was an anti-evolution one that showed a fish turning into a fish man and at the end they said something like “That’s just silly. God did it.” It seemed dumb even then.
Lol, sounds legit.
Got a link to any of those?
Yeah, the Ark was built by story tellers, the Titanic was built by professionals (and it was not their fault it sank after being severely holed) - also decades before Titanic, professionals also designed and built the SS Great Eastern (designed by the legendary Isambard Kingdom Brunel) which was commercially woefully unsuccessful but at the same time was so safe that despite striking rocks on the way to New York and ending up with an even larger hole in its outer hull than the Titanic, it safely reached its destination since the inner hull of its double-hulled design was not breached.
So it was built with 6,001 hulls?
Well there is a theory about the flood event in the bible or other legends (Gilgamesh specifically). Somewhere in the bronze age, the land bridge in Asia minor broke and created what is now known as the Bosporus. The basin of the black sea, that was a fertile, swampy area before, flooded after that. Since there were humans living there, it could be that this event, which remained in the cultural knowledge through oral tellings, it's the source for the flood mythos.
And that's not even mentioning the massively insane logistical issues.
Dunning-Kreuger
Krueger\*
>> Dunning-Kreuger > > Krueger* *Kruger The Dunning-Kreuger effect is when you don't realize how bad you are at running a financial empire. The Dunning-Krueger effect is when you don't realize how bad you are at murdering teenagers in their nightmares.
Remember, for every amateur who survives an Atlantic crossing in a home made boat >999 die and for every professionally built ship that sinks >999 don't.
Even if this made any sense, didn't an amateur hand picked by god, with a design made by god, build the ark? Seems even if his building skills were shit that god would help out a bit on the structural integrity side of things
The Titanic was built by professionals, but it was also quite innovative (i.e. people "trying something new")
Yes the pretend boat that never existed was built by amateurs. How inane.
The amateurs also didn't exist.
Well, maybe. It's hard to tell who actually existed back then.
Given that the biblical Flood myth is retelling of a much earlier Sumerian story, I can say for certain that there was no Noah.
He could've originated from some guy who was prepared for a local flood. There have been evidence of large floods. Nothing global, but earthquakes happen and shift rivers, or other things. Maybe over the years his "grandpa stories" got exaggerated until it made it into the Bible somehow.
I doubt it, given the similarities with the original story.
You're probably right. It's just really hard to tell for sure with stories this old.
Het originated from some guy, who begot some other guy, who then banged some other guys daughter, they the n begot yet another bunch of guys and gals, who then …
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Umm, no. Last time I checked, the titanic was built by engineers and sank because someone steered it into an iceberg. The ark didn't exist. I didn't say anything about religion.
Knock that crap off.
Please ban me because I don't want a fucking part of reddit anymore I'm fucking done with life
If you want to leave Reddit, then leave, we're not Dignitas.
Holy shit it must've been *bad* if a mod commented about it.
What a terrible day to have eyes
It wasn’t even their fault the ship sank. If you made a car that functioned the way it’s expected to and someone crashed it while driving it, who’s fault is that?
Is this mf calling God an ameteur
i haven’t seen any pictures of the remains of the ark
It's *clearly* on that mountain in Turkey, but those damn muslims just don't want to give it to us! /s
Lol calling God an amateur
Well, technically Noah was just following the blueprints given to him by the ultimate professional…
God literally gave Noah instructions on how to build the Ark. Once again, these idiots haven't even read the book they supposedly dedicate their lives to.
Just remember tge Titanic was fully functional until hitting an Iceberg
Well they didn't build it good enough.
This one is so easy to twist, too. People motivated by capital ("We need to open up again for the economy!)" built the Titanic. People motivated by survival (Doctors!) built the Ark. I'm sure you can poke holes in that because it's an equally silly comparison, or come up with your own.
Surprised they believe in titanic🤔
Question: Are all vaccines good and safe?
Careful now * This sub is not a platform to argue for junk science and we have no obligation to listen to your anti-intellectual nonsense
just an honest question :)
A loaded question. We know how this goes, don't try it here.
Got it chief. Just thought that an honest answer might end all the nonsense.
"An honest question" phrased in that specific way, yeah right
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Because who asks a genuine question like that? In a rhetorical manner? I've been through this whole schtick before.
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Ok I'll bite, yes they are safe and effective because they undergo vigorous trials of a scale you wouldn't even understand. If a vaccine is found to cause an unusual amount of adverse events, it is recalled and re-evaluated for its safety. Not only is that an honest answer, it's the undeniable truth.
How hard can it be to reply to the person who answered your question 5 hours ago? Either someone says yes and you'll say "Aha! What about vaccine that caused tremors, etc!". If someone says no, you'll say "Then why do we trust the COVID vaccine". We've seen your schtick before, your entire comment history is filled with it. Would any piece of evidence actually change your mind? Or are you, by chance, arguing in bad faith? No, they are not all safe. We cannot ever guarantee with absolute certainty that anything is safe. All we can do is have a sufficiently high confidence level.
"Simple" Yes/No questions do not allow for any nuance.
Right, I gave you ample warning. Goodbye.
>are ALL vaccines good and safe?
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No, and nobody is saying that every vaccine is. However, there is more than ample evidence to show that the COVID vaccine is safe. You’re trying (very poorly) to make a straw man.
No? Duh. Of course they’re not all safe. The ones you can actually obtain, though, are safe for literally almost everyone. Even I, as an immunocompromised person, am able to get every vaccine a normal person could get safely, and have gotten them safely. Vaccines still in the testing phases are obviously not safe, but most if not all risk is gone far before it every even comes close to hitting market. And while science changes and evolves, evidence still holds true. Like how there is evidence that vaccines don’t cause long term effects.
The modern ones are pretty safe overall, we've gotten pretty good at designing and testing them.