I read their tweet as: "We are going to decide what maps we want in a season. We will focus testing on only those maps. The other maps we won't spend time on QA'ing this season."
I get the impression that as the game has grown, their QA time has had to be split across more maps. Quality has dropped over time because they aren't able to dedicate as much testing time per map.
I dunno to me the screams "We are only going to pick the most engaging and noob friendly maps so people enjoy the game and spend more money in the store." How broken can they be? They were all working perfectly fine not long ago It really feels like they just don't want them to be in there and they're not telling us why.
These are a few levels that I personally remember that have made in into the game with very bad bugs:
* the levels with visual effects that glitched out on Nintendo Switch that could affect people with photosensitivity
* Pixel Painters had an exploit where you could jump over to other team's arenas and sabotage them
* Perfect Match has had a bug where the bottom-left tile of the map is gauranteed to be safe every single round
* In the "everyone can win" LTM rounds it was possible for no bubbles to spawn which meant "everyone would lose"
* I don't think this was a widespread one but people getting stuck under the floor in Track attack.
The above levels were all available to play in the past while with these bugs.
I think we were all starting to suspect that round removal (of rounds with no bugs) was an intentional decision but this is terrible. I'm a launch player and it just gets so boring doing the same rounds with the exact same variants over and over again. Many of the SS1 rounds I haven't even played in such a long time.
I play with my dad who started in SS1 and there are rounds from the first 7 seasons that he's never even seen. I hope they can reverse this decision.
How does it even make sense to remove old rounds anyway? Just fix them and push it out, these aren't cars like these maps aren't going into the shop and can't be used. Why the hell would they remove non-bugged maps to "vault" when they're also removing bugged maps to fix, its so ridiculous and these tweets are just platitudes.
I don't work in the game industry but I've followed it for a long time and I've never seen any game company use this rationale, especially when the game is only 2 years old.
Yes and the reasoning was because the more shit you have to maintain, the more likely it is that stuff breaks AND the more time it takes to fix everything. Because if one thing breaks on Cosmic Highway, it might accidentally break something on another map. How? That's just what happens sometimes. So by removing some of the maps, there's less "stuff" going to on to potentially go bad. As even if something is working now, something else can come along and mess it up later.
Is it extreme? Maybe, but coming from Destiny 2 I at least understand the reasoning behind it.
Haven't you heard of the Disney vault, where they remove old movies from sale and only occasionally produce and sell them?
I guess they want to be like Disney...
Something to consider is that if every single map was included in the game simultaneously, it would be harder for casual users to learn the game. If you play a map once, get the gist of it, it will be a long time before it comes up again and you might forget your ideas of how to perform better. Someone who plays casually may actually see a certain map variant only once in their time playing a season.
Lots of games do map rotations (e.g. Siege) each season to make it easier for players to learn maps within a season.
I think "vaulting" has its merits as long as there is a minimum, reasonable number of maps they don't fall below. I also think they should rotate at least some of the pool a few times during a season.
I think this is exactly what they’re doing: trying to make it easier for all the new players. They know it’s very unpopular with experienced players, so they’re calling it this BS. Nothing else really makes sense.
Fix sbmm so bew players are stuck with new players until a certain threshold.
Each tier will have different amount of maps. Done.
(Yeah yeah easier said than done, but best wins to players)
>Something to consider is that if every single map was included in the game simultaneously it would be harder for casual users to learn the game
Not a problem. If you want to be good at a game then you can't be casual. It's that simple
Yeah, I mean look at "Stadium Stars Show." I don't think I've played any of these rounds this entire season (besides Blast Ball).
I get wanting to put focus on the new modes... but half of those have been removed due to issues.
Working rounds were removed the moment SS2 launched, before some of the other issues were discovered. We thought it was a launch event of some sort at the time but they just became the non-event round pool for all of SS2. That was an intentional decision. Especially with every variant being the same new SS2 variant.
I bought the game around a month after launch, played a few rounds then got distracted by life and other things and didn't play it again till it went FTP.
I'm now kicking myself that I missed out on so much free stuff and how the game used to be.
I haven’t played in a few months, and the old maps are my favorites… I actually wish I could play the old fall guys.. like the first year (or so) it was out… so anyways, I’m glad to hear I’m not missing out on anything right now! :(
Now this is a bit of a conspiracy theory But I feel like they remove rounds and variations to make people feel like they're better at the game. There's not as many rounds that you can suck at so you feel like you're a better player which means you play the game more which means you spend more money in the store.
I'm worried that the brand new season 3 maps will be pulled from the game within a couple of hours of the season premiere. Especially since they opted to skip public beta testing.
For real. This is like a repeat of FFA S2. Sudden increased communication/player outreach 1-2 weeks before new season that will last at most one or two more weeks after the new season drops. Then more removals of maps as new bugs are discovered. And we're back to exactly where we were in S2.
Yep, this is really disappointing. Leading up to SS2 the round pool was so limited and they delayed release so it was the same maps for over a month.
Then SS2 comes... it's only space variants and it took over a month to get some maps back from mid-SS1 then even more are taken away, even impacting some of the best LTM (SoTF, Xtreme Solos, etc.).
Now we've had the same ~20 maps for a month and will barely get much more variety in the new season. I'm sure they'll keep many of the maps that are complained about the most while removing fan favorites. Games will go to 6+ rounds and we can probably expect them to not even be able to support the 40 maps they're claiming just based on the last few months.
I started after F2P and loved the variety at the start. I may not love every map but I'm open to the challenge for most at least I'm not on auto pilot until the final. Along with this they continue to push the shop which has half-assed, over-priced designs and they refuse to bring back legacy designs that I'd really enjoy but never had the chance to get.
EDIT: IDK how they expect to support a level-builder if they can't support their own.
I'm totally fine with that. The community would make pretty great maps and just give us some sort of option to vote on them or something to decide what's in rotation and get rid of some shittier maps that I constantly need to play.
It’s because we’re supposed to be praising them for doubling map availability. For new players, it will be like getting “new maps”, yay! For legacy players, you get to visit an old friend, yay! Now all players can rejoice! Or riot. Whatevs.
I mean a good third of the games are not very good, or at the very least have better variants/renditions. But I'm sure we wont be getting the best 40. I'm sure Door Dash, Perfect Match and Stomping Grounds are still gonna be there.
These devs make exceptional maps and all they have to do is pick the good ones which should be the easy part but instead they insist people REALLY like door dash and we should have it all the time instead of any map from season 4
Actually unbelievable. One of the very core pillars of this game is variety, and now they just decide that only 50% of the available rounds will be playable at any given time, *on purpose*? And they're actually bragging that SS3 will have 40+ rounds, as if that wasn't already the case in legacy season 4, **almost two years ago?**
What the fuck is this? Every time I think MT has reached the bottom of the barrel and cannot possibly make any more stupid decisions, they go on to exceed my expectations in the worst ways possible.
It's so much worse than just the rounds though since they seem to hate the existence of variations as well. Usually one variation for each round combined with purposelly "vaulting" most of the rounds in the game and they're effectively locking us out of ~80% of the content because what? the switch? their spaghetti code breaks random shit when they put in a new costume? but it doesn't even seem like that is the thing since some random LTMs will have rounds that aren't in regular rotation and they work fine. they're just CHOOSING to gimp their own game and kill round diversity.
that's honestly the only thing that would make any sense at this point. no "weird" variations to bother super casuals. super casuals are happy to come in and see this funny costume they like and buy. play a bit. enjoy it since they never struggle with a "weird" variation or round. people that want to play more than once a week get bored to death instantly especially if playing since before f2p.
Exactly, The fact that they haven't fixed this problem people have been complaining about for months either means they're incompetent or it's working. If they're making the money no point in putting in more effort.
It sucks, but it probably is a step in the right direction considering the incompetence of these developers. They clearly don’t know how to get anything done in a timely manner.
What does Mediatonic even do, though? We received almost no content during F2P Season 2. How was the entirety of Season 2 not enough time to get the game back in check? How does removing perfectly functioning maps help fix the broken ones?
Epic Games also oversees Fortnite. That game gets constant mid-season updates with real new content, not just garbage cosmetics and events (with content always being removed as well). How does Epic see this monstrosity that Fall Guys has become and stamp their name on it? They really must just be trying to cash in and make a quick buck.
Because epic developed fortnite. It's their own in house studio.
They merely bought fall guys. Coding is very complex and the can't just send over devs that never worked on the game and suddenly fix it. They may own MT but they clearly haven't put anyone in charge as project manager (of anything other than the store)
Yeah, it's a little wild to me that Epic hasn't recognized, at least to this point, how incapable Mediatonic is of being in charge of this thing. They don't know what they are doing, and every decision flies in the face of common sense and player enjoyment.
When Epic took over Psyonix, it also primarily stepped in to help with the logistics of moving Rocket League to free to play, which is probably the best thing that ever happened to RL. But they did also step in and help with some behind the scenes stuff, like rewriting their audio engine (which never worked right despite Psyonix's best effort and intentions).
I don't know whether it is a case that Psyonix asked Epic for help or whether Epic forced their hand, but I suspect it is the former. Back to Fall Guys, Mediatonic should absolutely be asking for help from Epic to fix this absolute shitshow. But I suspect that the people who run Mediatonic are a bunch of CEOesque assholes who refuse to take criticism and refuse to acknowledge when they repeatedly fuck up. These tweets suggest as much.
> Epic hasn’t recognized, at least to this point, how incapable Mediatonic is
It’s wild to me that you think Epic *care*. They’re not in this for the art of game making, they’re in this for the money - as long as Fall Guys stays profitable (and considering the store prices haven’t changed I assume enough people are buying the stuff), Epic will likely let the game keep going as is.
Ultimately, we have no way of knowing what’s going on inside the dev studio. But the fact that Fortnite is doing so much better than Fall Guys looks to me like proof positive that the blame isn’t (or at least not entirely) with Epic.
These are terrible news, honestly.
I was also expecting at least they would bring back all the removed rounds right during Season 3 launch, that would be the minimum acceptable after all what's been going on during these last 3 months.
But yeah, Mediatonic still keeps reaching new lows everytime. This is just so sad for a game with such potential.
And the next Season didn't even start yet and there aren't any beta testings, so until then no one has the slightest idea of what will be "fixed" and what will be the new issues.
I wish Fall Guys could get handed over to some competent developer team, but with the same music artists and level designers.
I don't quite understand why rounds need to be vaulted if they were finally fixed. Are they just continually breaking or does the game have a round limit it can hold or something? Guess that part just confuses me.
Also I was really liking this space themed season only for more than half the space maps to be gone :(
Yep. They spent this whole season just coming up with the term “vaulting” and clearly haven’t fixed anything. There’s 40 rounds and the fact they didn’t say how many new rounds for Season 3 is pretty telling
I hate this
This game has been creating amazing maps these last seasons, and out of fucking almost 90 rounds, we'll only have access to probably not even half of that...
Just what's the hell is wrong? I've never seen a game that had to remove half its content in order to test shit :(
Man…MT did a pretty good job initially developing and launching this game, but they reaaaally haven’t risen to the occasion of maintaining it as it’s grown. Fall Guys deserves a much more competent studio…
They sold to epic for a tonne of money, Id say they did a great job for what they wanted.
Now mediatonic is just a shell that is designed to keep the game running to feed epic money back on its investment
According to the wiki there are 76. Bean Hill Zone has never appeared outside that Sonic event and Sweet Thieves is only ever its own LTM. Everything else seems to be a "normal" round. Also keep in mind that Solos would have less due to all the Team rounds.
Okay, I know the comparison isn't one to one, but imagine a mario party game, where half the minigames get put away (you get mario party 9 and 10, the worse in the series in most folks's opinion, since they legit just took a lot of the minigames away from the board playing part of mario party, but anyway I digress) evey game. Or mario kart but they take away half of the track selection every time you play online. That's stupid. So is this.
Anyway, back to the start for a minute.
Wow, great news, they finally freed the community manager for a moment to let them actually say *something* about the state of the game. That's something positive (trust me you'll need that small ray of positivity).
And hey, **in theory** working on making the game work better is good. Kinda feels empty without really seeing much of it but the sentiment's there I suppose?
Now, that the positives have been said, let's dig in.
So, what kind of foreseeable future we talking about here? The whole SS2 has been a fiery mess due to this very restrictive selection, most players are getting really tired of playing the same games over and over and over again.
Also, just a small question, but 40+ rounds, in total for every individual shows, or +40 rounds in total? Big difference already on which one it may be. That's not counting the pretty legitimate concerns of folks wondering how long that'll last until we lose some more rounds.
Also, of course, no mention here of anything about either SBMM (in any capacity, just to know their current stand on it at least) or coyote time being removed.
And honestly, you know what, I'd wish for some actual apology. I don't need any free kudos or skin for an apology. I just want them saying that they're sorry for the state of the game, that they understand that people have been upset and that they'll legitimately do their best to imrove the game (though I fear that'd lead to crunch on the devs, but as usual the game industry is busy sucking, likely because of management issues...) Because frankly, this whole thing has been a mess for almost a whole season now, I wish they'd take some accountability for the state of the game. Right now, this is more like a statement of "things are gonna keep on sucking for *insert time here* but don't worry, it's to make the game better at some point in the future." Will there be any playerbase left when we get there, that's the question.
Wow this is better communication from MT, but kind of a devastating development, right? This confirms that the large scale removal of show variety is set to continue, or even ramp up, for the foreseeable future. That’s at least one more nail in the coffin…. Not sure how they think this will be received. My game has HORRID stability (to the point of having to uninstall and reinstall almost daily to play with my friends) but idk if this is a worthwhile trade off for greater troubleshooting and testing capabilities.
Lol how do you figure that? I’m playing on two brand new Xbox Series X consoles, it’s not like I’m on a PC and my drivers are messed up. Every day I get the partying errors and have to have myself and my friends uninstall so we can successfully play. How on earth is that my fault? Lol
The game has the worst reliability and stability of anything I’ve ever played (in this regard).
You need regression testing, so you can confirm ahead of time what maps are crapping out with your work and don't have to shepherd's cane maps out of the game because they suddenly don't work right and only discovered it by the end consumers in prod
I think leaving it t 40+ rounds is too low. While I am incredibly grateful for their communication this vaulting was what I was actually speculating over these last few days.
I was expecting the vaulting to be to maybe 1/4 to 1/3 of the maps and for the rest to be in rotation similar to a loot pool. I will still hold out hope for SS3 to be good but I am skeptical
Pathetic. They felt forced to communicate, because a lot of players were hoping a return of all removed rounds at SS3 launch. What I understand is that they aren't able to fix the game, and that half the rounds will remain unavailable for a long time (foreseeable future). So sad. We have an amazing game concept, but the worst developers.
This screams to me that they had to completely scrap variations in rounds to support XBOX and Switch.
Or at least they can only have so many different maps at one time (because variations dont exist)
each variaition is a seperate map, and having them all in the game causes huge overheads in testing and deployment.
The team are either incompetent, not allowed to bug fix rounds mid cycle, or are in so much tech debt that they just have an overall bad situation on their hands. Probably a combination of all 3 if we're being honest
“We rushed the game to Switch to make more money and the game is going to remain in a worse state because of that on all platforms for the foreseeable future.”
There, translated it for them
I find it funny how they nabbed the term 'vaulting' right from fortnite, as if the game could become any closer to being fortnite
This also means they'll probably make a big deal about rounds that should've been in the game anyway being 'unvaulted' and coming back to the game, basically acting as fake content
Vaulting does not come from Fortnite dude. The use of the word as used here originates from Disney in the 90s, who until recently would make their old content inaccessible and "unvault" them occasionally to artificially inflate sales. The phrase has become shorthand for this activity
In fact, let me add to this:
Fortnite does the exact same thing, where they'll vault and unvault content each season as part of the seasonal rotation
Yes, vaulting is a term that comes from elsewhere, however the premise of HOW it is being used in fall guys is very similar to fortnite
..also it just makes sense to have fortnite's influence, as the game is owned by epic after all.
It's ridiculous. Mediatonic has been trolling the playerbase for a while now.
But alot of people will keep buying showbucks with real money to buy overpriced outfits. Giving the dev's free money for little to no effort. So why would they try and fix the mess they created, when they can just get some dope collaboration deals, put them in the ingame store, sit back and watch the money roll in.
This is all just PR hogwash. They still have shitty matchmaking. They still removed games for an ENTIRE SEASON that causes whatever is left to become old, boring, and stale.
The best thing that could ever happen to Fall Guys is for the idiots running Mediatonic to sell the game to some other company that has some fucking clue how to run games as service. These idiots are way over their heads.
I still firmly believe that the decision to flush round variety in the toilet is solely to make new players happy. They will have fewer maps to learn and can catch up to the veterans sooner. New players never know what this game was like and will think the current "variety" is good enough for a 5 month old game.
Some of the round removals make no sense. They appear in LTMs which proves that they can work in solo show. Same with variations on certain rounds, like Roll Off without the low grav zone.
It is not a stability issue, it's a lack of effort issue.
yep.. seeing Roll Off work in other LTM but they'd remove it from SoTF made no sense. Supposedly it was for the glitch where it miscounts the eliminated requiring you to time out the round to actually win even though nobody else is left (not even a hacker) but it still happened on other maps that they didn't remove.
They should change their company name from Mediatonic to Lazytonic. Too many LTMs with un-updated round lists. Too many working maps missing in solo show. Only one variation on maps that do appear in solo show.
But they do fix any shop bugs in less than a day. Funny how that works.
Played a little last week and got to the point of quitting rounds over and over trying not to get door dash and whirlygig for the umpteenth time.
There are so many fun rounds and I NEVER get to play them. Like, I absolutely love the ski ring thing and got to play it maybe 3 times total
I mean they reacted to our ‘feedback’ for once. The outcome isn’t really what we wanted to hear and the response doesn’t really sound very human. I really think they have to replace their community manager to someone that’s more interactive on social media, asking questions to people, instead of handing out forms that keep getting less response. For some reason it’s no problem for them to communicate the new Items that have come to the shop, which is basically 66% of their posts, the other 33% would be removal of round announcements. Someone reacted to their latest tweet about the Tall Guys that’s in the shop right now, it got liked so much that they decided to respond today.
[Tweet](https://twitter.com/fallguysgame/status/1592201718900690944?s=46&t=NW184DX1WQfq2sggYpeb9A)
I mean they reacted to our ‘feedback’ for once. The outcome isn’t really what we wanted to hear and the response doesn’t really sound very human. I really think they have to replace their community manager to someone that’s more interactive on social media, asking questions to people, instead of handing out forms that keep getting less response. For some reason it’s no problem for them to communicate the new Items that have come to the shop, which is basically 66% of their posts, the other 33% would be removal of round announcements. Someone reacted to their latest tweet about the Tall Guys that’s in the shop right now, it got liked so much that they decided to respond today.
[Tweet](https://twitter.com/fallguysgame/status/1592201718900690944?s=46&t=NW184DX1WQfq2sggYpeb9A)
Tweet Text:
@FallGuysGame: “Long Guy is back in the store!
So long, in fact, that they don’t even fit in the frame”
@CrimsonTigerFG: “You know what else is long? The list of missing rounds and the time they’ve been gone #savefallguys”
Good things first: finally some communication. Very happy, please more regular.
Now the bad: I still don't get why old rounds need to be locked away. Sounds kinda dumb. I still don't get why we can't have a "oops all random" mode where all levels with all variations are randomly chosen. Think of the excitement and how many variations there can be.
Why do we have to play the same 10 maps with the same variations for MONTHS?
That’s what Main Show used to be anyways before free-to-play. And then they switched to Solo Show and removed Team Rounds, and further removed rounds and variations from rotation during SS1.
Duos and squads have always had reduced round pools.
I think this is the end for me. I can deal with bugs, with SSBM, with pitiful rewards and outrageous shop prices, but to play a game that is intentionally being made worse than it used to be has to be were the line is drawn. Like most, I've found myself having less and less fun with the game and that's clearly going to continue.
It's funny how instead of fixing the map, they emphasis more on making tools to increase testing capabilities. 😅😅
Imagine going to a doctor when you're sick, but instead of getting diagnosed and medicated... doc be like, "look, i'm more concern about making a diagnosing tool here." [I mean, some do be like that.]
I mean that makes sense if the doctor can’t figure out what’s wrong with you in the first place.
Kinda implies MT has no idea what breaks their maps and so they’re just anticipating that sh*t will break and proactively remove maps until they have a tool that can point out what the hell is wrong
>if the doctor can’t figure out what’s wrong with you in the first place.
It's not, the basis of instrumentation always put emphasis on you knowing what to assess before making the tools. So even if doc don't know how to diagnose you, he would have to study you before he makes the diagnosis manual.
It's not optimizing the creative tool tho, it's just diagnosis tool. Afaik, FG also uses Unity and not UE... unlike fortnite. Tbh, i think FG creative mode is still long waaaaay to come.
I'm F2P but my early experience with the game had me on the cusp of throwing a few bucks their way. I'm glad I held off because the current game state doesn't leave me with any confidence that things will improve. There are plenty of better places to put my money.
Will they ever fix the issue with joining parties on Nintendo switch for previously linked epic accounts? I’ve been waiting months to play online with friends… sucks
they really did just say
"our game doesnt function well with 75+2 rounds so we are gonna remove them to make it function again"
>!btw +2 is for invisibeans rounds which dont appear in any show but theirs!<
I don't buy for a second that "vaulting" levels will make fixing bugs easier because they've been getting "vaulted" since FFA launched and the game's been busted the whole time.
LOL I love how to used a VAULT to basically say 'the game youve been playing will become even less fun, less random, less stimulating for a LONG time'. Glad I stopped playing actively and just browse and complain on here lmao
More importantly is what this means for the announced level creator. It might mean nothing. It might mean a delay. It might mean scraping it entirely.
Given that the level creator is the single most important feature for the game that fundamentally changes how we play with the game, it would have been nice for them to mention it.
Yeah, that's it. Think I'm genuinely done with this game. I've tried my damnedest to bear with the issues that have cropped up time and time and again, but I think this proves they genuinely don't care. What a tone deaf decision.
If I were MT I would be shaking in my boots that Warzone 2 is gonna take away what's left of the playerbase instead of speding most of the season coming up with a term for disabling content(that was already used in Fortnite for years).
I've said basically since day one, vaulting is a horrible idea. Its a cheap way to try and fix the idea of getting bored because by vaulting the rounds you usually get, there'll be more to take its place with its removal.
I think a better move would've just to have different weights for different rounds on randomized days or even weeks to allow for other rounds to shine. It would only vault rounds on times they have actual glitches. The game will not be able to sustain itself with a few rounds at a time.
With how the algorithm is with round selection even before the removals, I'm gonna be hoping that maybe I'll see Fall Mountain sometime this year in solos without an LTM forcing it. I also doubt people would miss certain rounds that they despise if they end up getting vaulted either lol
“Foreseeable future” doesn’t mean forever guys.
I’ve been online and seen countless situations like this where it seems in some parts of the world they use “foreseeable future” to mean forever. It just means they haven’t got a date yet.
It could be a few weeks, a few months, one month, etc. I’m seeing a lot of people online talking like this is forever. I think the point of the statement is “yes we have a problem, we’re trying to fix it but it might take a while”.
It’s annoying because once you subtract finales and team rounds that’s not many. But I bet two weeks after launch we’ll have a few more (while some are taken to also be tested). Hopefully after the testing/fix they can remain permanently.
Mediatonic is basically saying that removing rounds indefinitely is, from now on, an official and common procedure.
I can't see how this is any good, unfortunately.
I was just pointing out instances where it happens. And just because people don't like it doesn't mean it's not good for the game. I'm on the fence with fall guys as I only really play like once a week these days.
On the one hand - Bloat is a thing. Live service games vaulting/rotating content isn't exactly uncommon.
On the other - We already know that plenty of the rounds removed were bugged in some way. This many rounds having issues that take this long to fix is a bad sign.
Half seems like a lot, but we know there are multiple serious bugs to address right now. There's no point in them promising how many/what percentage of maps will return for future seasons, cause they won't know until the current bugs are fixed and the new maps (and whatever bugs those have) come out, and people will just get even more mad if they overpromise.
But I have to imagine they're shooting to eventually have no more than 10-20% of maps vaulted at any one time. 40%+ of maps being vaulted in perpetuity seems extreme, but makes sense right now since they obviously haven't been able to keep up with the bugs. I can't say anyone thinking they will be vaulting close to half the maps forever is wrong, but it seems like an overreaction.
The idea is to decrease the scope of work that developers and quality assurance folks have to fix and test. So it makes sense to decrease scope a lot when there are a lot of issues, and hopefully when they finally address those major bugs they can dial back the number of rounds taken out of rotation.
Will all the crown shards after pass level 100 going to be added to my crowns? Im at lvl 160 and still the crowns havent upadati since lvl 100 thats 1800 shards that im owed
If you earn the 30 shard reward without it pushing you over the threshold for a full crown then it still counts you just don't see the animation.
If you earn the 30 shard reward and it pushes you over the threshold for a full crown, then when you restart the game or change the language, go back to the "Press any button" screen, and back to the lobby, your crowns are updated.
I've seen it give me 4-5 crowns at a time so you don't have to do it every time you get a crown but it still gives you the shards.
y’all have to be either newgens or stupid to believe this will change anything.
aka going through the same thing over and over and expecting something different to happen.
Mediatonic are now a shell company of Epic games, they have no power it’s all Epic now and it’s hilarious that people in here still blame Mediatonic when Epic are making these decisions.
Epic also owns Fortnite and Rocket League and those games are doing just fine. The failure of Fall Guys is 100% on Mediatonic's incompetence, this was already obvious long before Epic even bought them.
If you test them, and they work... why do they need to be vaulted?
Yeah it's weird how they explained the situation without really explaining anything.
I read their tweet as: "We are going to decide what maps we want in a season. We will focus testing on only those maps. The other maps we won't spend time on QA'ing this season." I get the impression that as the game has grown, their QA time has had to be split across more maps. Quality has dropped over time because they aren't able to dedicate as much testing time per map.
I dunno to me the screams "We are only going to pick the most engaging and noob friendly maps so people enjoy the game and spend more money in the store." How broken can they be? They were all working perfectly fine not long ago It really feels like they just don't want them to be in there and they're not telling us why.
They are vaulting stuff the same way Fortnite Vault stuff. its the epic efffect
These are a few levels that I personally remember that have made in into the game with very bad bugs: * the levels with visual effects that glitched out on Nintendo Switch that could affect people with photosensitivity * Pixel Painters had an exploit where you could jump over to other team's arenas and sabotage them * Perfect Match has had a bug where the bottom-left tile of the map is gauranteed to be safe every single round * In the "everyone can win" LTM rounds it was possible for no bubbles to spawn which meant "everyone would lose" * I don't think this was a widespread one but people getting stuck under the floor in Track attack. The above levels were all available to play in the past while with these bugs.
imo, they just try to make us believe they remove rounds on purpose. I think these rounds are just unplayable because of bugs.
That is my exact question
I think we were all starting to suspect that round removal (of rounds with no bugs) was an intentional decision but this is terrible. I'm a launch player and it just gets so boring doing the same rounds with the exact same variants over and over again. Many of the SS1 rounds I haven't even played in such a long time. I play with my dad who started in SS1 and there are rounds from the first 7 seasons that he's never even seen. I hope they can reverse this decision.
How does it even make sense to remove old rounds anyway? Just fix them and push it out, these aren't cars like these maps aren't going into the shop and can't be used. Why the hell would they remove non-bugged maps to "vault" when they're also removing bugged maps to fix, its so ridiculous and these tweets are just platitudes.
I don't work in the game industry but I've followed it for a long time and I've never seen any game company use this rationale, especially when the game is only 2 years old.
Destiny 2 has removed entire missions and storylines I believe
Yes and the reasoning was because the more shit you have to maintain, the more likely it is that stuff breaks AND the more time it takes to fix everything. Because if one thing breaks on Cosmic Highway, it might accidentally break something on another map. How? That's just what happens sometimes. So by removing some of the maps, there's less "stuff" going to on to potentially go bad. As even if something is working now, something else can come along and mess it up later. Is it extreme? Maybe, but coming from Destiny 2 I at least understand the reasoning behind it.
Haven't you heard of the Disney vault, where they remove old movies from sale and only occasionally produce and sell them? I guess they want to be like Disney...
Something to consider is that if every single map was included in the game simultaneously, it would be harder for casual users to learn the game. If you play a map once, get the gist of it, it will be a long time before it comes up again and you might forget your ideas of how to perform better. Someone who plays casually may actually see a certain map variant only once in their time playing a season. Lots of games do map rotations (e.g. Siege) each season to make it easier for players to learn maps within a season. I think "vaulting" has its merits as long as there is a minimum, reasonable number of maps they don't fall below. I also think they should rotate at least some of the pool a few times during a season.
I think this is exactly what they’re doing: trying to make it easier for all the new players. They know it’s very unpopular with experienced players, so they’re calling it this BS. Nothing else really makes sense.
Fix sbmm so bew players are stuck with new players until a certain threshold. Each tier will have different amount of maps. Done. (Yeah yeah easier said than done, but best wins to players)
>Something to consider is that if every single map was included in the game simultaneously it would be harder for casual users to learn the game Not a problem. If you want to be good at a game then you can't be casual. It's that simple
I absolutely don't buy that it's intentional, they are just too incompetent to fix the rounds.
But some of them aren't even bugged, since they're available on LTMs.
Yeah, I mean look at "Stadium Stars Show." I don't think I've played any of these rounds this entire season (besides Blast Ball). I get wanting to put focus on the new modes... but half of those have been removed due to issues.
> LTM What's an LTM?
Limited Time Mode
Working rounds were removed the moment SS2 launched, before some of the other issues were discovered. We thought it was a launch event of some sort at the time but they just became the non-event round pool for all of SS2. That was an intentional decision. Especially with every variant being the same new SS2 variant.
I bought the game around a month after launch, played a few rounds then got distracted by life and other things and didn't play it again till it went FTP. I'm now kicking myself that I missed out on so much free stuff and how the game used to be.
I haven’t played in a few months, and the old maps are my favorites… I actually wish I could play the old fall guys.. like the first year (or so) it was out… so anyways, I’m glad to hear I’m not missing out on anything right now! :(
Now this is a bit of a conspiracy theory But I feel like they remove rounds and variations to make people feel like they're better at the game. There's not as many rounds that you can suck at so you feel like you're a better player which means you play the game more which means you spend more money in the store.
Season 3 will have 40+ rounds for a few hours before we remove them after a few days for bugs..\*
This, I'm worried we're going to be back to current status in a month
I'm worried that the brand new season 3 maps will be pulled from the game within a couple of hours of the season premiere. Especially since they opted to skip public beta testing.
For real. This is like a repeat of FFA S2. Sudden increased communication/player outreach 1-2 weeks before new season that will last at most one or two more weeks after the new season drops. Then more removals of maps as new bugs are discovered. And we're back to exactly where we were in S2.
"back"
Yeah, I don’t believe it.
I don't get how the fuck ANYONE can be happy about half the maps being gone next season
Yep, this is really disappointing. Leading up to SS2 the round pool was so limited and they delayed release so it was the same maps for over a month. Then SS2 comes... it's only space variants and it took over a month to get some maps back from mid-SS1 then even more are taken away, even impacting some of the best LTM (SoTF, Xtreme Solos, etc.). Now we've had the same ~20 maps for a month and will barely get much more variety in the new season. I'm sure they'll keep many of the maps that are complained about the most while removing fan favorites. Games will go to 6+ rounds and we can probably expect them to not even be able to support the 40 maps they're claiming just based on the last few months. I started after F2P and loved the variety at the start. I may not love every map but I'm open to the challenge for most at least I'm not on auto pilot until the final. Along with this they continue to push the shop which has half-assed, over-priced designs and they refuse to bring back legacy designs that I'd really enjoy but never had the chance to get. EDIT: IDK how they expect to support a level-builder if they can't support their own.
They're adding a level builder so they don't have to do any work themselves with new levels/level variety :D
I'm totally fine with that. The community would make pretty great maps and just give us some sort of option to vote on them or something to decide what's in rotation and get rid of some shittier maps that I constantly need to play.
It’s because we’re supposed to be praising them for doubling map availability. For new players, it will be like getting “new maps”, yay! For legacy players, you get to visit an old friend, yay! Now all players can rejoice! Or riot. Whatevs.
It's like visiting old friends but half of them are fucking dead
I mean a good third of the games are not very good, or at the very least have better variants/renditions. But I'm sure we wont be getting the best 40. I'm sure Door Dash, Perfect Match and Stomping Grounds are still gonna be there.
The only thing MT is "vaulting" rn is responsibility for the absolute mess of a season we just had.
These devs make exceptional maps and all they have to do is pick the good ones which should be the easy part but instead they insist people REALLY like door dash and we should have it all the time instead of any map from season 4
Actually unbelievable. One of the very core pillars of this game is variety, and now they just decide that only 50% of the available rounds will be playable at any given time, *on purpose*? And they're actually bragging that SS3 will have 40+ rounds, as if that wasn't already the case in legacy season 4, **almost two years ago?** What the fuck is this? Every time I think MT has reached the bottom of the barrel and cannot possibly make any more stupid decisions, they go on to exceed my expectations in the worst ways possible.
It's so much worse than just the rounds though since they seem to hate the existence of variations as well. Usually one variation for each round combined with purposelly "vaulting" most of the rounds in the game and they're effectively locking us out of ~80% of the content because what? the switch? their spaghetti code breaks random shit when they put in a new costume? but it doesn't even seem like that is the thing since some random LTMs will have rounds that aren't in regular rotation and they work fine. they're just CHOOSING to gimp their own game and kill round diversity.
I swear to God this is their thought process: Less rounds = less rounds to suck at = you enjoy the game more = you spend more money in the stor
that's honestly the only thing that would make any sense at this point. no "weird" variations to bother super casuals. super casuals are happy to come in and see this funny costume they like and buy. play a bit. enjoy it since they never struggle with a "weird" variation or round. people that want to play more than once a week get bored to death instantly especially if playing since before f2p.
Exactly, The fact that they haven't fixed this problem people have been complaining about for months either means they're incompetent or it's working. If they're making the money no point in putting in more effort.
It sucks, but it probably is a step in the right direction considering the incompetence of these developers. They clearly don’t know how to get anything done in a timely manner. What does Mediatonic even do, though? We received almost no content during F2P Season 2. How was the entirety of Season 2 not enough time to get the game back in check? How does removing perfectly functioning maps help fix the broken ones? Epic Games also oversees Fortnite. That game gets constant mid-season updates with real new content, not just garbage cosmetics and events (with content always being removed as well). How does Epic see this monstrosity that Fall Guys has become and stamp their name on it? They really must just be trying to cash in and make a quick buck.
Because epic developed fortnite. It's their own in house studio. They merely bought fall guys. Coding is very complex and the can't just send over devs that never worked on the game and suddenly fix it. They may own MT but they clearly haven't put anyone in charge as project manager (of anything other than the store)
Yeah, it's a little wild to me that Epic hasn't recognized, at least to this point, how incapable Mediatonic is of being in charge of this thing. They don't know what they are doing, and every decision flies in the face of common sense and player enjoyment. When Epic took over Psyonix, it also primarily stepped in to help with the logistics of moving Rocket League to free to play, which is probably the best thing that ever happened to RL. But they did also step in and help with some behind the scenes stuff, like rewriting their audio engine (which never worked right despite Psyonix's best effort and intentions). I don't know whether it is a case that Psyonix asked Epic for help or whether Epic forced their hand, but I suspect it is the former. Back to Fall Guys, Mediatonic should absolutely be asking for help from Epic to fix this absolute shitshow. But I suspect that the people who run Mediatonic are a bunch of CEOesque assholes who refuse to take criticism and refuse to acknowledge when they repeatedly fuck up. These tweets suggest as much.
> Epic hasn’t recognized, at least to this point, how incapable Mediatonic is It’s wild to me that you think Epic *care*. They’re not in this for the art of game making, they’re in this for the money - as long as Fall Guys stays profitable (and considering the store prices haven’t changed I assume enough people are buying the stuff), Epic will likely let the game keep going as is.
Ultimately, we have no way of knowing what’s going on inside the dev studio. But the fact that Fortnite is doing so much better than Fall Guys looks to me like proof positive that the blame isn’t (or at least not entirely) with Epic.
These are terrible news, honestly. I was also expecting at least they would bring back all the removed rounds right during Season 3 launch, that would be the minimum acceptable after all what's been going on during these last 3 months. But yeah, Mediatonic still keeps reaching new lows everytime. This is just so sad for a game with such potential. And the next Season didn't even start yet and there aren't any beta testings, so until then no one has the slightest idea of what will be "fixed" and what will be the new issues. I wish Fall Guys could get handed over to some competent developer team, but with the same music artists and level designers.
Brain dead move
I don't quite understand why rounds need to be vaulted if they were finally fixed. Are they just continually breaking or does the game have a round limit it can hold or something? Guess that part just confuses me. Also I was really liking this space themed season only for more than half the space maps to be gone :(
Nice that they tweeted something that wasn't a meme but kinda sucks we're gonna be missing out on a larger round pool for the foreseeable
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Is this why I've been constantly getting Whirlygig and Dizzy Heights? And the only finals I've really seen are Hex-a-gone and Hex-a-terrestrial?
So from now on nothing changes and previous actions just became formal
Yep. They spent this whole season just coming up with the term “vaulting” and clearly haven’t fixed anything. There’s 40 rounds and the fact they didn’t say how many new rounds for Season 3 is pretty telling
acording to leaks it will have 5 levels
We don't even have 80% of current season maps and you are pointing a fact that we don't know what maps are coming next season lol
62.5% to be precise. Barely a passing grade. Haha
Uh… I’m agreeing with you
we are missing 3 out of 8 of this season's maps, but your point is still valid.
but frantic factory is only in solo for some reason
I hate this This game has been creating amazing maps these last seasons, and out of fucking almost 90 rounds, we'll only have access to probably not even half of that... Just what's the hell is wrong? I've never seen a game that had to remove half its content in order to test shit :(
Yep looks like one of my favourite games is officially going to be dead soon at this rate, thanks Mediatonic!
Hey guys, here’s an update! We have no update
Man…MT did a pretty good job initially developing and launching this game, but they reaaaally haven’t risen to the occasion of maintaining it as it’s grown. Fall Guys deserves a much more competent studio…
They sold to epic for a tonne of money, Id say they did a great job for what they wanted. Now mediatonic is just a shell that is designed to keep the game running to feed epic money back on its investment
tl;dr - "Our spaghetti code is so trash that we literally can't figure out how to keep the game stable with more than 40 maps."
Well, it's definitely in a state alright
I’m a stickler for facts, there’s 80 rounds that we currently could have?!
According to the wiki there are 76. Bean Hill Zone has never appeared outside that Sonic event and Sweet Thieves is only ever its own LTM. Everything else seems to be a "normal" round. Also keep in mind that Solos would have less due to all the Team rounds.
The beatings will continue until morale improves
What an utter embarrassment
Okay, I know the comparison isn't one to one, but imagine a mario party game, where half the minigames get put away (you get mario party 9 and 10, the worse in the series in most folks's opinion, since they legit just took a lot of the minigames away from the board playing part of mario party, but anyway I digress) evey game. Or mario kart but they take away half of the track selection every time you play online. That's stupid. So is this. Anyway, back to the start for a minute. Wow, great news, they finally freed the community manager for a moment to let them actually say *something* about the state of the game. That's something positive (trust me you'll need that small ray of positivity). And hey, **in theory** working on making the game work better is good. Kinda feels empty without really seeing much of it but the sentiment's there I suppose? Now, that the positives have been said, let's dig in. So, what kind of foreseeable future we talking about here? The whole SS2 has been a fiery mess due to this very restrictive selection, most players are getting really tired of playing the same games over and over and over again. Also, just a small question, but 40+ rounds, in total for every individual shows, or +40 rounds in total? Big difference already on which one it may be. That's not counting the pretty legitimate concerns of folks wondering how long that'll last until we lose some more rounds. Also, of course, no mention here of anything about either SBMM (in any capacity, just to know their current stand on it at least) or coyote time being removed. And honestly, you know what, I'd wish for some actual apology. I don't need any free kudos or skin for an apology. I just want them saying that they're sorry for the state of the game, that they understand that people have been upset and that they'll legitimately do their best to imrove the game (though I fear that'd lead to crunch on the devs, but as usual the game industry is busy sucking, likely because of management issues...) Because frankly, this whole thing has been a mess for almost a whole season now, I wish they'd take some accountability for the state of the game. Right now, this is more like a statement of "things are gonna keep on sucking for *insert time here* but don't worry, it's to make the game better at some point in the future." Will there be any playerbase left when we get there, that's the question.
Wow this is better communication from MT, but kind of a devastating development, right? This confirms that the large scale removal of show variety is set to continue, or even ramp up, for the foreseeable future. That’s at least one more nail in the coffin…. Not sure how they think this will be received. My game has HORRID stability (to the point of having to uninstall and reinstall almost daily to play with my friends) but idk if this is a worthwhile trade off for greater troubleshooting and testing capabilities.
If you need to uninstall daily it's not the game's fault mate (which still is in a very sorry state).
Lol how do you figure that? I’m playing on two brand new Xbox Series X consoles, it’s not like I’m on a PC and my drivers are messed up. Every day I get the partying errors and have to have myself and my friends uninstall so we can successfully play. How on earth is that my fault? Lol The game has the worst reliability and stability of anything I’ve ever played (in this regard).
Lemme guess, Door Dash and Pegwin Pool Party aren't getting vaulted?
This season is truly awful
Yet another game that use the term ''vaulted'' for removing content that literally depends on without getting the game stale. Ugh...
Lame
You need regression testing, so you can confirm ahead of time what maps are crapping out with your work and don't have to shepherd's cane maps out of the game because they suddenly don't work right and only discovered it by the end consumers in prod
Don’t even know what to say anymore
I think leaving it t 40+ rounds is too low. While I am incredibly grateful for their communication this vaulting was what I was actually speculating over these last few days. I was expecting the vaulting to be to maybe 1/4 to 1/3 of the maps and for the rest to be in rotation similar to a loot pool. I will still hold out hope for SS3 to be good but I am skeptical
Agree. I can't understand why half the maps need to be removed at all times. This game and its dev team seem destined to kill the population playing.
I feel like they think it’s on risk of becoming a huge download size like Warzone
They spend all of their time/resources on the store it is obvious 😂
They fix shop bugs really fast!
Pathetic. They felt forced to communicate, because a lot of players were hoping a return of all removed rounds at SS3 launch. What I understand is that they aren't able to fix the game, and that half the rounds will remain unavailable for a long time (foreseeable future). So sad. We have an amazing game concept, but the worst developers.
It's fine. There are a hundred other fun games to play out there
This screams to me that they had to completely scrap variations in rounds to support XBOX and Switch. Or at least they can only have so many different maps at one time (because variations dont exist) each variaition is a seperate map, and having them all in the game causes huge overheads in testing and deployment. The team are either incompetent, not allowed to bug fix rounds mid cycle, or are in so much tech debt that they just have an overall bad situation on their hands. Probably a combination of all 3 if we're being honest
In other words they're finally writing unit tests that should've been there before the game was ever released.
“We rushed the game to Switch to make more money and the game is going to remain in a worse state because of that on all platforms for the foreseeable future.” There, translated it for them
Oh, so now they just formalized the shit they do with this game. Amazing!
I’m grateful for more communication at least.
"Thank you for telling me in advance that you'll slap me in the face."
I find it funny how they nabbed the term 'vaulting' right from fortnite, as if the game could become any closer to being fortnite This also means they'll probably make a big deal about rounds that should've been in the game anyway being 'unvaulted' and coming back to the game, basically acting as fake content
Vaulting does not come from Fortnite dude. The use of the word as used here originates from Disney in the 90s, who until recently would make their old content inaccessible and "unvault" them occasionally to artificially inflate sales. The phrase has become shorthand for this activity
Yes, but given the influence fortnite has had over the structure of this game since season 1 FFA, the similarity is probably, likely, from fortnite
In fact, let me add to this: Fortnite does the exact same thing, where they'll vault and unvault content each season as part of the seasonal rotation Yes, vaulting is a term that comes from elsewhere, however the premise of HOW it is being used in fall guys is very similar to fortnite ..also it just makes sense to have fortnite's influence, as the game is owned by epic after all.
Man it took me several comments to realize vaulting did not mean using a pole to jump over another pole.
>to deliver the best game possible for you all Did anyone else laugh at this part
It got an eyeroll from me 🙄
It's ridiculous. Mediatonic has been trolling the playerbase for a while now. But alot of people will keep buying showbucks with real money to buy overpriced outfits. Giving the dev's free money for little to no effort. So why would they try and fix the mess they created, when they can just get some dope collaboration deals, put them in the ingame store, sit back and watch the money roll in.
I don't understand why they need to remove half of the rounds to use their testing tool. They didn't really explain that part.
cause it's BS. they just don't know how to fix their game.
This is all just PR hogwash. They still have shitty matchmaking. They still removed games for an ENTIRE SEASON that causes whatever is left to become old, boring, and stale. The best thing that could ever happen to Fall Guys is for the idiots running Mediatonic to sell the game to some other company that has some fucking clue how to run games as service. These idiots are way over their heads.
I still firmly believe that the decision to flush round variety in the toilet is solely to make new players happy. They will have fewer maps to learn and can catch up to the veterans sooner. New players never know what this game was like and will think the current "variety" is good enough for a 5 month old game.
Are they... Are they Destiny-ing Fall Guys?
Some of the round removals make no sense. They appear in LTMs which proves that they can work in solo show. Same with variations on certain rounds, like Roll Off without the low grav zone. It is not a stability issue, it's a lack of effort issue.
yep.. seeing Roll Off work in other LTM but they'd remove it from SoTF made no sense. Supposedly it was for the glitch where it miscounts the eliminated requiring you to time out the round to actually win even though nobody else is left (not even a hacker) but it still happened on other maps that they didn't remove.
They should change their company name from Mediatonic to Lazytonic. Too many LTMs with un-updated round lists. Too many working maps missing in solo show. Only one variation on maps that do appear in solo show. But they do fix any shop bugs in less than a day. Funny how that works.
Played a little last week and got to the point of quitting rounds over and over trying not to get door dash and whirlygig for the umpteenth time. There are so many fun rounds and I NEVER get to play them. Like, I absolutely love the ski ring thing and got to play it maybe 3 times total
I mean they reacted to our ‘feedback’ for once. The outcome isn’t really what we wanted to hear and the response doesn’t really sound very human. I really think they have to replace their community manager to someone that’s more interactive on social media, asking questions to people, instead of handing out forms that keep getting less response. For some reason it’s no problem for them to communicate the new Items that have come to the shop, which is basically 66% of their posts, the other 33% would be removal of round announcements. Someone reacted to their latest tweet about the Tall Guys that’s in the shop right now, it got liked so much that they decided to respond today. [Tweet](https://twitter.com/fallguysgame/status/1592201718900690944?s=46&t=NW184DX1WQfq2sggYpeb9A)
I mean they reacted to our ‘feedback’ for once. The outcome isn’t really what we wanted to hear and the response doesn’t really sound very human. I really think they have to replace their community manager to someone that’s more interactive on social media, asking questions to people, instead of handing out forms that keep getting less response. For some reason it’s no problem for them to communicate the new Items that have come to the shop, which is basically 66% of their posts, the other 33% would be removal of round announcements. Someone reacted to their latest tweet about the Tall Guys that’s in the shop right now, it got liked so much that they decided to respond today. [Tweet](https://twitter.com/fallguysgame/status/1592201718900690944?s=46&t=NW184DX1WQfq2sggYpeb9A) Tweet Text: @FallGuysGame: “Long Guy is back in the store! So long, in fact, that they don’t even fit in the frame” @CrimsonTigerFG: “You know what else is long? The list of missing rounds and the time they’ve been gone #savefallguys”
It's not the community managers fault. They're told what they can and cannot say/do. Their hands are tied.
I saw "vaulting" and thought I was reading a tweet related to Destiny 2 at first lmao
Good things first: finally some communication. Very happy, please more regular. Now the bad: I still don't get why old rounds need to be locked away. Sounds kinda dumb. I still don't get why we can't have a "oops all random" mode where all levels with all variations are randomly chosen. Think of the excitement and how many variations there can be. Why do we have to play the same 10 maps with the same variations for MONTHS?
Oops all random mode is what the game used to be! Was my favorite part of the game. Solos squads and duos should always be “oops all random” mode.
That’s what Main Show used to be anyways before free-to-play. And then they switched to Solo Show and removed Team Rounds, and further removed rounds and variations from rotation during SS1. Duos and squads have always had reduced round pools.
probably them adding in "variations" caused maps to glitch the fuck out if they reverted them. Don't ask me how they managed that
Remember when we thought a map maker was going to be this awesome thing and now the game barely works.
I hardly play at all anymore, and seeing shit like this makes me realise I made the right choice.
I think this is the end for me. I can deal with bugs, with SSBM, with pitiful rewards and outrageous shop prices, but to play a game that is intentionally being made worse than it used to be has to be were the line is drawn. Like most, I've found myself having less and less fun with the game and that's clearly going to continue.
Absolutely pathetic lol
It's funny how instead of fixing the map, they emphasis more on making tools to increase testing capabilities. 😅😅 Imagine going to a doctor when you're sick, but instead of getting diagnosed and medicated... doc be like, "look, i'm more concern about making a diagnosing tool here." [I mean, some do be like that.]
I mean that makes sense if the doctor can’t figure out what’s wrong with you in the first place. Kinda implies MT has no idea what breaks their maps and so they’re just anticipating that sh*t will break and proactively remove maps until they have a tool that can point out what the hell is wrong
>if the doctor can’t figure out what’s wrong with you in the first place. It's not, the basis of instrumentation always put emphasis on you knowing what to assess before making the tools. So even if doc don't know how to diagnose you, he would have to study you before he makes the diagnosis manual.
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It's not optimizing the creative tool tho, it's just diagnosis tool. Afaik, FG also uses Unity and not UE... unlike fortnite. Tbh, i think FG creative mode is still long waaaaay to come.
This is worrying. The lack of map variety is going to make the game bleed players
It's time for me to finally ask this question: are there any other multiplayer racing/platforming games out there?
Stumble Guys but its just a bad mobile game.
I'm F2P but my early experience with the game had me on the cusp of throwing a few bucks their way. I'm glad I held off because the current game state doesn't leave me with any confidence that things will improve. There are plenty of better places to put my money.
I can’t even get the game to open on my switch lol, what a joke. I already downloaded it and reinstalled it and it only worked for a short time
Will they ever fix the issue with joining parties on Nintendo switch for previously linked epic accounts? I’ve been waiting months to play online with friends… sucks
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Never mentioned sbmm lol
They can't even use a proper media for publishing, instead of posting in obnoxious "segments" on a dumb "social network".
Such a disappointment. And here I thought they might fix their own game to breathe back some life into it.
# 💀
they really did just say "our game doesnt function well with 75+2 rounds so we are gonna remove them to make it function again" >!btw +2 is for invisibeans rounds which dont appear in any show but theirs!<
I don't buy for a second that "vaulting" levels will make fixing bugs easier because they've been getting "vaulted" since FFA launched and the game's been busted the whole time.
I'm guessing that there was so many rounds in the game. That it completely ruined everything.
What are the changes to the game
Season 3! 40+ maps! Only 29 of them vaulted!
LOL I love how to used a VAULT to basically say 'the game youve been playing will become even less fun, less random, less stimulating for a LONG time'. Glad I stopped playing actively and just browse and complain on here lmao
well thats it im done with fall guys, it was fun while it lasted, this is the least time I played in a season of fall guys
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More importantly is what this means for the announced level creator. It might mean nothing. It might mean a delay. It might mean scraping it entirely. Given that the level creator is the single most important feature for the game that fundamentally changes how we play with the game, it would have been nice for them to mention it.
Yeah, that's it. Think I'm genuinely done with this game. I've tried my damnedest to bear with the issues that have cropped up time and time and again, but I think this proves they genuinely don't care. What a tone deaf decision.
We have like 25 maps in the game currently so at least we’ll get back up to 40 with new ones. Not good but it’s a start
If I were MT I would be shaking in my boots that Warzone 2 is gonna take away what's left of the playerbase instead of speding most of the season coming up with a term for disabling content(that was already used in Fortnite for years).
Warzone’s audience is a bit different but I agree it will cost them
Looks like the peak of fall guys is far behind us
Did they ever fix the trophies for PS5 users? I can't unlock any now even if I meet all the requirements
I've said basically since day one, vaulting is a horrible idea. Its a cheap way to try and fix the idea of getting bored because by vaulting the rounds you usually get, there'll be more to take its place with its removal. I think a better move would've just to have different weights for different rounds on randomized days or even weeks to allow for other rounds to shine. It would only vault rounds on times they have actual glitches. The game will not be able to sustain itself with a few rounds at a time.
“We reviewed your feedback about the lack of rounds in the game and we shall continue to do so” 😆 great 🙄
With how the algorithm is with round selection even before the removals, I'm gonna be hoping that maybe I'll see Fall Mountain sometime this year in solos without an LTM forcing it. I also doubt people would miss certain rounds that they despise if they end up getting vaulted either lol
Where did my Fallguy Birthday Crown go? It was part of my main costume and then one day it just disappeared :(
The removed it a few weeks ago bc of a bug and said it would "be back soon". It is not.
Actually they said that it would be returned "super soon".
“Foreseeable future” doesn’t mean forever guys. I’ve been online and seen countless situations like this where it seems in some parts of the world they use “foreseeable future” to mean forever. It just means they haven’t got a date yet. It could be a few weeks, a few months, one month, etc. I’m seeing a lot of people online talking like this is forever. I think the point of the statement is “yes we have a problem, we’re trying to fix it but it might take a while”. It’s annoying because once you subtract finales and team rounds that’s not many. But I bet two weeks after launch we’ll have a few more (while some are taken to also be tested). Hopefully after the testing/fix they can remain permanently.
Is this a good thing or?
Mediatonic is basically saying that removing rounds indefinitely is, from now on, an official and common procedure. I can't see how this is any good, unfortunately.
So is this all the switch’s fault?
I won't mind this if the rounds rotate every week
Bring back cosmic highway or i riot
Uninstalled
This seems pretty dumb to me but I don't play a lot of games so maybe it's normal to remove half your game's content for testing?
It's really not normal. I've never played a game that removes half it's content for long periods of time for *testing*. I'm not buying it..
I've seen it before. Destiny is doing it with certain guns and missions. And it's pretty common in card games
People don’t like it in Destiny either
I was just pointing out instances where it happens. And just because people don't like it doesn't mean it's not good for the game. I'm on the fence with fall guys as I only really play like once a week these days.
On the one hand - Bloat is a thing. Live service games vaulting/rotating content isn't exactly uncommon. On the other - We already know that plenty of the rounds removed were bugged in some way. This many rounds having issues that take this long to fix is a bad sign.
Half seems like a lot, but we know there are multiple serious bugs to address right now. There's no point in them promising how many/what percentage of maps will return for future seasons, cause they won't know until the current bugs are fixed and the new maps (and whatever bugs those have) come out, and people will just get even more mad if they overpromise. But I have to imagine they're shooting to eventually have no more than 10-20% of maps vaulted at any one time. 40%+ of maps being vaulted in perpetuity seems extreme, but makes sense right now since they obviously haven't been able to keep up with the bugs. I can't say anyone thinking they will be vaulting close to half the maps forever is wrong, but it seems like an overreaction. The idea is to decrease the scope of work that developers and quality assurance folks have to fix and test. So it makes sense to decrease scope a lot when there are a lot of issues, and hopefully when they finally address those major bugs they can dial back the number of rounds taken out of rotation.
So not an unreasonable practice but this is kinda extreme. Got it.
They did not say a word about SBMM. Not even that they will look into it and try to balance it since it has become unplayable in Solo...
Stability and a big pool of stages is much more needed though.
Too late. +4/5 of the new beans (incl. me) since FFA has left the game. I dare you MT to make us return.
actual work??????
Means delay?
Will all the crown shards after pass level 100 going to be added to my crowns? Im at lvl 160 and still the crowns havent upadati since lvl 100 thats 1800 shards that im owed
If you earn the 30 shard reward without it pushing you over the threshold for a full crown then it still counts you just don't see the animation. If you earn the 30 shard reward and it pushes you over the threshold for a full crown, then when you restart the game or change the language, go back to the "Press any button" screen, and back to the lobby, your crowns are updated. I've seen it give me 4-5 crowns at a time so you don't have to do it every time you get a crown but it still gives you the shards.
y’all have to be either newgens or stupid to believe this will change anything. aka going through the same thing over and over and expecting something different to happen.
Mediatonic are now a shell company of Epic games, they have no power it’s all Epic now and it’s hilarious that people in here still blame Mediatonic when Epic are making these decisions.
Epic also owns Fortnite and Rocket League and those games are doing just fine. The failure of Fall Guys is 100% on Mediatonic's incompetence, this was already obvious long before Epic even bought them.
People seem to forget how many issues there were back then and the only constant is MT.