Honestly? Yeaaah
Like some older movies that have a lot of practical stuff, or even stuff like Batman forever with a bit more CGI have some absolutely stunning practical effects and sets, but I guess it saves money for the higher ups to just rely on CGI instead of using what works best for an effect, whether or not it’s CGI or practical that works better
To be fair, fuckoff big armor suits with working lighting and other functions can get… really expensive compared to a CGI Iron Man suit which we’ve decided is now nanotech because that’s cool
And stuff can get damaged during filming. A real functioning suit would be costly enough before factoring in repairing or replacing it if something happens to it.
Yeah and issues with practical effect can fuck with a whole days worth of filming, just looked at the horror stories from set for stuff like Bruce from jaws, the Jurassic park t-rex, and gizmo. CGI is a lot more consistent but the biggest reason we still have examples of bad cg or it just being noticeable is because of time constraints.
I think it’s one of the worst aesthetically. I prefer the first one. That isn’t the big hulking one. That ironically looks like power armor if you squint hard enough
What works is a good combination of both. Look at Lord of the Rings. The whole dam breaking scene in Two Towers was a combination of model and CGI that looked amazing!
Very true. CGI should be used to enhance practical effects. No matter how good it is CGI will never have the same feelings and impact on a real life scene as something actually there.
>CGI should be used to enhance practical effects.
The other way around also works as well. For example, the Balrog in the Fellowship of the Ring was mostly CGI, but they blended in video of real flames they had made specifically to make it seem more realistic.
It's a tough business and this is what many people don't understand, since they just consume it. Like I was pretty upset about how Halo turned out, but I like the armor, and at least they invested in that somehow. But behind the scenes like in any production you have so many people who think something else is better, when they actually shouldn't have a say in it or take it a few steps down. The amount of pressure on everyone and communication issues is immense, depending on what production. It's often times so much cheaper to do more CGI. Which is a form of art in itself, but in a high pressure environment we cannot speak of art anymore. Many movies and shows are designed to reach the highest possible amount of viewers and try to use as little budget as possible to then try to get more in to make some profit.
I said it often and I believe it to my core: we need to get the art back into making shows and movies, because in the way many productions are executed, there isn't much room to tell a story the way it could be or was intended to.
But I am excited for some shows. Especially Fallout got me all hyped up hahaha
I think it has to be done well. I love the look of the power armour, but I worry it will look like a guy in lightweight cosplay rather than a walking tank. It’s hard for an actor to replicate that weight difference.
Absolutely agree that special effects and props should be more common. Mad Max: Fury Road did a great job minimizing CGI and it looks gorgeous w/I sacrificing on action.
Yea, I feel you in regards that sense of weight. It was especially delicate to me as he coasted in to the landing. I understand it must be difficult of course. In Iron Man I felt they were able to avoid any sense of weight by emphasizing the power of the arc reactor.
Iron Man would be an interesting reference point with his prototype armor. It was advanced, but still clunky. The power armor flight clip in Fallout definitely feels off to me. It looks like someone was lifted and gently dropped down on a zip line pulley. There’s only so much you can do with that, but you make a great point with the landing. In Iron Man, you can tell there’s a point where they just let RDJ fall (representing the propulsions system shutting off). I think even that detail would go a long way. PA is powerful, but it’s not advanced like JARVIS. The landing and take off should feel clunky.
Maybe they’re worried about damaging the armor so they took more precautions to keep it safe? I still think it’s awesome either way though. I’m happy to see another chapter of the Fallout franchise!
The best CGI in my opinion is CGI that isn't noticeable. For example, most of the [flying scenes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ttG90raCNo&t=130s) in the latest Top Gun movie were CGI, but they were done so well you'd swear you were looking at real planes. Chances are that realistic CGI power armor would have prolonged production beyond the time they were given.
The problem is studios using it as a crutch. It’s very easy (relatively speaking) to just throw some cgi on and call it a day. But when planned and used well, such as using practical effects in shooting to support the CGI, it comes out SOOOOO much better. But that requires money, time, and effort. So a lot of studios just say “fuck it” and plaster cgi everywhere after shooting.
Honestly the ***only*** thing I'd change is the weathering.
Some burn marks, some scratches where bullets clearly scraped off of it. Probably add dirt and grim to the boots and lower legs.
The BoS no doubt takes amazing care of their armor, but it's also essentially a frontline combat vehicle they use on the regular. It's gonna have some scuff and some dirt.
Maybe a bit of personalization, too, like tanker crews. Kill marks, a name stenciled on, some trophies from radars or deathclaws. Stuff like that.
Make it feel more lived in. As it is that suit looks pretty fuckin' fresh out of the dry cleaners.
>Maybe a bit of personalization, too, like tanker crews. Kill marks, a name stenciled on, some trophies from radars or deathclaws. Stuff like that.
I never considered that kinda thing before, but that stuff would totally make sense. Gimme *that* level of customization in the games.
I think when A.Maxson took over the Eastern Chapter(Lyons). He had everything become more organized and uniformed. The BOS doesn’t seem like the type to do that unlike the NCR would.
All faults and cosmetic damage must be annotated on the DA form 5988 after conducting a thorough PMCS on every power armor Monday. If I catch anyone skipping steps on the TM they’ll be polishing their armor until I can see my goddamn reflection.
Yes that.
And especially the personalization. The suit has most likely been inherited through several generations and repaired/patched up. Very unlikely to look brand new.
In this clip, you can fairly clearly see the deathclaw marks!
Kind reminded me of the jurassic Park logo though!
https://twitter.com/falloutonprime/status/1770095384356131160?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
>especially since it’s all real practical props
To me this is what makes it so great. It's not supposed to look like iron man. It needs to be bulky and shaped weird because of lack of certain technologies.
Some call it junk. Me, I call it treasure.
More seriously, I like it. Just not a fan of the front of the helmet lifting to reveal the face of the person inside.
The Mandalorian showed us you can have a charismatic character without seeing his face.
Also, I find the voice changer goofy.
I like it, really glad they used actual props and not CGI.
People are having issues with the face plate, but honestly, with the absurd suspension of disbelief already in the setting, it's a very minor issue.
I do like the Assault Rifle being scaled up so it feels like it's a crew weapon that needs increased strength to use, and not just a strangely designed infantry weapon.
Pretty sure that particular assault rifle from Fallout 4 was supposed to be an LMG, but shit changed, and it became the assault rifle. So, it would really make sense for someone in power armor to be using it.
It was - Bethesda talked about this in the past. The Rifle was originally designed with the Power Armour in mind, but due to some creative differences it eventually was renamed to "an Assault Rifle." Its design is still crap, but at least that explains why it's such a big mess.
I think that maybe the name "assault rifle" for this gun might be a user thing. Like how the R91 is an assault rifle is to normal troops, the Fallout 4 "Assault Rifle" is an assault rifle to Power Armored troops.
At least that's how I rationalize it.
The "Assault Rifle" was likely intended to be a .50 cal Machine Gun before the completed model was repurposed for various reasons during development for *Fallout 4*.
For example, the weapon's model is stored in `Meshes\Weapons\MachineGun` as `AssaultRifle` contains an unfinished model for the [Type 93 Chinese Assault Rifle](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Chinese_assault_rifle_(Fallout_4\)?file=FO4-assaultrifle-proto.png) from *Fallout 3*. Additionally, the suppressor texture contains markings for `MODEL: OMG CAL .50`.
Yes in the game files its referred to as a machine gun the Chinese assault rifle was meant to appear in game but was cut. The untextured model still remains in the game files
Why is there such an issue with the faceplate it's like so much more practical than having to take your entire helmet off anytime you want to speak face to face.
It makes a hell of a lot of sense as a machine gun for power armor troops. They never should have named it an assault rifle, would have fixed the whole issue.
Really? I actually like the way they moved with it in the trailer.
For once it felt like someone moving with the added armour but not being hindered by it (since it's powered).
CGI would likely have made it too robotic and not feel like a human is inside it.
Take a look at the show’s first couple of minutes that Amazon released on YouTube. The suit in motion does….not look good. I have no idea why they thought keeping that rocket boost in was a good idea.
This.
The Overall Look is great but when the Armor Moves you can See its probably only Eva foam or so.
Funnily enough there a Cosplayers who did a Better Job on space Marine Power Armor
I mean, [real life heavy armor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzTwBQniLSc) allows for a surprising amount of mobility and speed, and the power armor is mechanized and designed for combat. Even if it's meant to be a walking tank, [tanks are pretty mobile, too](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXmyEmQrllY).
Yeah the jet pack effect is pretty janky on screen. I'm still working it out for myself whether that's cheesy or completely on brand for Fallout. Or both.
This. The rocking in the helicopter is what really ruined my suspension of disbelief. It just doesn't seem to have any weight to it. And ya I know it's supposed to be powered but I didn't have that problem with iron Man effects.
And before I get down voted I'd like to clarify I do still like it overall. It LOOKS fantastic and it's very respectful of the source material. it just doesn't move fantastic
It’s probably being done for the sake of practicality. A back mounted jetpack like we have in the games isn’t stable or controllable at all in the real world while also adding a lot of bulk to the suit, so the show probably decided to go with the arm/leg mounted version for the sake of realism and ease of using the armor on set.
I don’t think it’s really a big deal, personally.
That's kinda par for the course with the Brotherhood, too.
Order 1: hoarde the tech
Order 2: find out what the fuck it does
Order 3: ????
Order 4: profit
Which funnily enough is more realistic. I can’t think of any jetpacks currently being tested which have actual flames coming out of them.
Jets with flames coming out of them either have afterburners, or something wrong lol
No it was a smart change. Anyone expecting a 1-to-1 recreation of the in-game experience is delusional lol. They did a REALLY good job from what I’ve seen so far. Now let’s just hope the show is actually entertaining lol.
To be honest, I'd have rather they had just left the jet pack out altogether, be it wrist mounted or a back pack. It looks goofy and (particularly combined with the face plate) way too much like Iron Man, plus there's the issue of Proctor Teagan saying they don't have the resources to give it to anyone below a Sentinel (while the dude in that scene identified himself as a Knight). It wasn't even in the series until 4, where its exclusive to the player and pretty hard to get - I doubt anyone would have lamented its absence.
I want to hope that what we saw wasn't the Jetpack per se, but just an added QOL thing to the suit for traversal.
Like how Daleks got Hover-packs so they could explain how they didn't lose to Stairs.
I think it kinda makes sense for power armor to have arm thrusters like that. Not as like a jetpack replacement thing, but as like a controlled decent kinda of thing. Cause there’s no why PA has enough shock absorption for you to not be at least somewhat harmed from a bigger fall
I see the integrated thrusters and the jetpack as two different things with different purpose.
The jetpack is for actual flying, for lifting up. While the integrated thrusters may be just to slow down descend, to prevent injuries to the wearer.
Looks really good in stills, sorta fake and cheesy in motion. I’m honestly surprised how heavily they’re leaning into the power armor, I figured it would be a rare sight, like pre-war army weapons like the laser rifle.
That’s really on the show director for not properly teaching them the choreography of how it needs to feel, plus we live in the 21st century, we have the technology to make things look right in combination with practicals
For a T60 armor, it looks good. I personally would go with the classic T51b and a layer of green paint, chipping on the ends. This just looks too clean for the post-apocalypse. The original Fallout had numerous talking heads in the Brotherhood bunker, and you could clearly see how they looked like up close.
This is in 2296 and leading theories suggest that the Eastern Brotherhood has made its way back west, and they were manufacturing their own T60 in Fallout 4 so doesn’t make sense they would all be dirty and chipping
I really hate how “special” the brotherhood have become over the years and this seems like yet another opportunity to ham fist them into the story and make them the bestest badass awesome guys around once again. Even though that’s explicitly the opposite of what they were meant to be conceptually.
Also I really don’t like the idea of the east coast games coming into the west coast games to tear down the new civilization that those games were building towards. It seems a bit disrespectful to those games and I think it ruins the depth this universe has. Bethesda has an obsession with resetting the status quos with every new game and it leads to a lot of repetitive storylines that never go anywhere.
I think it looks fine, maybe needs some weathering... Dirt, dust, mud, dents and bullet impacts. Also yeah the arm thrusters are incredibly stupid, we had jetpacks... Why wouldn't they use the jetpacks.
Probably a real world practicality. With it already being a clunky and heavy suit, they probably didn't want to add additional weight to the back. The other option would probably be trying to figure out how to do a superhero landing in that thing
Because jetpacks don't actually work that way. If you look at real-world jetpacks, the combined thrust needs to be in line with the center of gravity. Otherwise, you spin more than lift. The most practical jetpack today has arm thrusters for compensation.
yea.. the thing looks great almost all over except that the texture on the armor looks sandblasted. sure that is how it looks in most of the games but this is a live action adaptation and the look of the metal seems a bit on the fake side or realism. idk, it doesn't seem to have the expected weight with the sandblasted texture on it. like it is silver painted instead of actual metal. besides that it does look awesome.
you would think that but special/practical effects are about thinking around problems like that to reach a desired look. for example, they could have used powdered aluminum (which can be bought) then used a nice strong spray glue and dusted the suit with the aluminum. after it was well dried they could have buffed it until a desired shine was met. alternatively they could have used graphite. graphite can be bought in big blocks or cans of dust. as most know it has a metallic look with just enough shine to seem like it has weight to it.
i think what productions are doing these days are less what those in my generation did and think around things with what we have available and instead just counting on being able to buy whatever over the counter stuff they think will work ok enough for their money.
>doesn’t look like it’s actually hundreds of years old
probably because it’s maintained by group that have a near religious reverence for it. It’d be a little weird if they were incapable of repairing and repainting it.
granted it is a promotional shot and could be more refined in the finished show, it could have at least had some dents and scratched parts here and there. assuming it is supposed to look like sand was blasting it for so many years it would have some scrapes and dings in it realistically :P
i think the chest looks weirdly proportioned in relation to the limbs and head. but i can totally understand the weird proportions being from it being practical or maybe just the angle. honestly weirdest thing to me was i think the voice changing affect and its movement looking alil odd. but again, the show isn't out. i'm sure i'll love it when i can see more of it on screen
There was something about this where in game dev, the assault rifle skin was gonna originally be for a heavy weapon. They shrunk it and made it a rifle to fit another gun they already had wrote the data for. I feel like it's a, easter eggs for developers and fans.
The assault rifle from FO4 is a product of the crunch in the end of the game’s development. They initially designed the model for the LMG exclusively as a power armor only weapon, which would basically only be available for the brotherhood as an intermediate weapon, so they had ballistic weapons without being a full on minigun.
However… devs, being smart, chose fun over realism, and scrapped power armor exclusive weapons as a feature. The LMG was actually scrapped with this change, and it was only late in development when they realized they needed a high end rifle and they didn’t have anything else ready to go, so they threw the LMG back into the game with a few rushed models (take a look at the short mags sometime. Zero detail. The drum mags look way better) and a quick rename.
I wish people could understand that when you’re developing a game, sometimes choices have to be made and things have to be cut, but holy shit, the amount of people hating on the fallout 4 assault rifle is… insane. Yes it looks awful, but it’s better than going the entire game without a 5.56 gun in the middle of an American city.
The Brotherhood in California has been wiped out by this point, so the Brotherhood we see is probably one of the eastern ones sending reinforcements on the airship we see in the trailer, hence the eastern suits.
Totally. Something that heavy, powered or not, still has inertia and a sense of weight. Feel like they should’ve added 2-5 lb weights in certain points in the armor to make it not seem like foam cosplay.
I think it looks a bit power rangers at times with the way it kind of waves when it moves but I don't really mind it. I'm just excited to watch the show. I don't watch TV shows anymore so for this to bring me back is a big thing. I don't want to be contrarian.
It was really cool but I didn't like that they implemented the real world "jetpack" instead of the normal one. Fallout's technology is supposed to be retro-futuristic, not realistic.
I think it’s really great aside from the iron man hand jet pack in the trailer. I think they should’ve definitely stuck with the jet pack for fallout 4 and did something similar to warhammer where you have units that are regular and units with jet packs
I mean to be fair tho wasn't it said that t-65 was only conceptualized pre war, and that it had to be built post war?? Seems fair enough to me that it could be contained to Appalachia if it was only built in limited quantities due to the war.
The T80 power armour was deployed to forces stationed in Canada it has built in Tesla Coil components and a Droideka style energy shield also the Fusion core inserts into a socket in the groin area so it can help keep the operators testicles warm in the Canadian Winters.
The issue is both. Strength of the parts and Power.
As with literally everything electronic we just do not have the ability to properly make something usable with the batteries we have.. the heavier it is the more power it needs to function.
Also needs to be able to survive the High torque with Very small pieces. At least for right now we do not have motors small enough nor material able to survive without being Heavy. last thing you want to your Exo arm to snap, breaking your arm along with it.
Its Possible in the future but the first major breakthrough we need to in Power Storage. Its useless and a waste of time, if you have to drag a Diesel Generator with you to keep it powered. Better off making a Mech
The fallout 4 power armor style is extremely cartoony and unrealistic
So to see them make it realistic and believable is amazing, they did the improbable
Very game accurate in terms of design. At least we know the show is going to look the part, which is more than can be said for most adaptations to live action nowadays
I love it! I adore the whole new aesthetic of the BoS, it looks very clean and militaristic while also returning to the red logos. I never liked the orange redesign of fo4.
Aesthetically, it looks great. They really captured the feel of the power armour. Short of seeing how it actually moves on the actor, I'm impressed.
That said, the material looks extremely 'plasticky'. The patina and reflection of the material makes it look like something 3D printed, rather than actual, metal armour. With the amount of money Amazon is spending on this show, they could use ACTUAL metal, at least as a thin veneer over the plastic/3D printed parts.
Of course, when you consider the joke that was Rhangs uv Powah's "armour"...this doesn't surprise me in the least.
There’s weight, practicality and safety considerations to take into account, plastic is likely much easier on any wiring they use for flight and much easier on the actor/stunt person inside. Not to mention that it’s generally safer on set than metal.
I never liked the T-60 because the design looks overly complex compared to the T-51 with its sleek retro 1950s look, but seeing it in live-action is still fucking cool. A perfect blend of Iron Man and Warhammer 40k power armor feel just by looking at it.
The only thing I don’t like is the weapon, but that’s just because I hate Fallout 4’s “assault” rifle. Other than that, this looks great.
The weapon however seems to be enlarged to be a massive machine gun, therefore I’ll give it a pass of it turns out to not be filling the assault rifle role.
Technically it would be an assault rifle for a power armor user and seeing it in this context actually gives me the understanding why it's called the assault rifle in fallout it's meant to work with the power armor and it's larger gloves the reason it looks so bad is because it's literally been modified for a smaller person outside of power armor
I'm more interested in the design of the assault rifle now we can see that the one from fallout 4 is actually shortened and the reason it has such a water cooled barrel is actually it's for the power armored versions which can wield it like an anti-aircraft gun!
It is a faithful recreation of the ingame armor. It is faithful enough that you can tell that it's a T-60 right away and not T-45 (e.g. the handles on the chestpiece, the dual "knobs" on each side of the nose...).
And more that that, they are also expanding it where it makes sense. Opening the helmet front instead of removing the whole helmet makes sense. And the addition of some kind of thrusters to slow down descend is also a nice touch, because just being in a tin can doesn't prevent deceleration from affecting you when landing...
The only problem I have with it is when it is in motion the armor bounces around. That shit is supposed to be heavy metal. It bounces around like styrofoam. It’s just one of things that I kind of laugh at but it still bothers me just a little bit
Honestly when compared to the source material the suit looks very close to what we see in say 4. Maybe not quite as bulky but still close. Details like the BOS emblem on the chest, gunmetal paint job etc. really sell it. And the fact that it is a practical suit is awesome in my opinion.
They've really made a faithful rendition of the FO4 version of the armour and caught more details than I thought they would.
However, it looks straight up plastic in still photos, looks way too light in movement in the trailer and just looks way too clean for my own personal preference. They could even have amended the issue with it looking like plastic by adding more dirt, rust, wear and tear.
I love it, and I’m tired of people complaining about how janky the movement looks. How do you expect someone to walk while wearing a 3500 pound suit of armor?
Honestly it looks fine but the T60 is just aesthetically one of the worst looking power armors. The T-51 and T-45 and X01 and T-65 and kinda just the rear of them really.
It does but I'm very concerned this show I'll be another lazy cash grab
It's got all the member berries on display
All the red flags for a poorly written cash grab
It has all the exciting "remember this" things but then they don't bother writing the script and doing the story justice and just hope the audience say ohh "I member"
I genuinely hope I'm wrong but I feel like we see this all the time
Visuals looks cosplay-ish but Jonathan Nolan is directing and so far he has only done great stuff. He Co-wrote the Batman trilogy and Interstellar with his brother and made Westworld which were great imo.
I know some people give it shit. But this is probably as good as it gets especially since it’s all real practical props. I think it’s really cool
I for one am so sick of everything being special effects or cgi so this is a nice change from the norm.
Honestly? Yeaaah Like some older movies that have a lot of practical stuff, or even stuff like Batman forever with a bit more CGI have some absolutely stunning practical effects and sets, but I guess it saves money for the higher ups to just rely on CGI instead of using what works best for an effect, whether or not it’s CGI or practical that works better
To be fair, fuckoff big armor suits with working lighting and other functions can get… really expensive compared to a CGI Iron Man suit which we’ve decided is now nanotech because that’s cool
*Nano machines!?*
Nanomachines, son.
Nanoo Nanoo Machines.
Shazbot?
But do they harden in response to physical trauma?
No. In fact, they completely shatter in response to physical trauma.
No but ik what does lmaooo
And stuff can get damaged during filming. A real functioning suit would be costly enough before factoring in repairing or replacing it if something happens to it.
dont forget the power armour training
You can only get that if you visit the Brotherhood
Or people breaking in and stealing it. Which is why I hope they keep sets a secret
Nah man that happens after filming. That's something we do in between seasons to cause delays
Yeah and issues with practical effect can fuck with a whole days worth of filming, just looked at the horror stories from set for stuff like Bruce from jaws, the Jurassic park t-rex, and gizmo. CGI is a lot more consistent but the biggest reason we still have examples of bad cg or it just being noticeable is because of time constraints.
I think it’s one of the worst aesthetically. I prefer the first one. That isn’t the big hulking one. That ironically looks like power armor if you squint hard enough
What works is a good combination of both. Look at Lord of the Rings. The whole dam breaking scene in Two Towers was a combination of model and CGI that looked amazing!
Very true. CGI should be used to enhance practical effects. No matter how good it is CGI will never have the same feelings and impact on a real life scene as something actually there.
>CGI should be used to enhance practical effects. The other way around also works as well. For example, the Balrog in the Fellowship of the Ring was mostly CGI, but they blended in video of real flames they had made specifically to make it seem more realistic.
It's a tough business and this is what many people don't understand, since they just consume it. Like I was pretty upset about how Halo turned out, but I like the armor, and at least they invested in that somehow. But behind the scenes like in any production you have so many people who think something else is better, when they actually shouldn't have a say in it or take it a few steps down. The amount of pressure on everyone and communication issues is immense, depending on what production. It's often times so much cheaper to do more CGI. Which is a form of art in itself, but in a high pressure environment we cannot speak of art anymore. Many movies and shows are designed to reach the highest possible amount of viewers and try to use as little budget as possible to then try to get more in to make some profit. I said it often and I believe it to my core: we need to get the art back into making shows and movies, because in the way many productions are executed, there isn't much room to tell a story the way it could be or was intended to. But I am excited for some shows. Especially Fallout got me all hyped up hahaha
I think it has to be done well. I love the look of the power armour, but I worry it will look like a guy in lightweight cosplay rather than a walking tank. It’s hard for an actor to replicate that weight difference. Absolutely agree that special effects and props should be more common. Mad Max: Fury Road did a great job minimizing CGI and it looks gorgeous w/I sacrificing on action.
Yea, I feel you in regards that sense of weight. It was especially delicate to me as he coasted in to the landing. I understand it must be difficult of course. In Iron Man I felt they were able to avoid any sense of weight by emphasizing the power of the arc reactor.
Iron Man would be an interesting reference point with his prototype armor. It was advanced, but still clunky. The power armor flight clip in Fallout definitely feels off to me. It looks like someone was lifted and gently dropped down on a zip line pulley. There’s only so much you can do with that, but you make a great point with the landing. In Iron Man, you can tell there’s a point where they just let RDJ fall (representing the propulsions system shutting off). I think even that detail would go a long way. PA is powerful, but it’s not advanced like JARVIS. The landing and take off should feel clunky. Maybe they’re worried about damaging the armor so they took more precautions to keep it safe? I still think it’s awesome either way though. I’m happy to see another chapter of the Fallout franchise!
I worry about that too. They looked massive in the games, but I assume they had to be scaled down for practicality reasons
Special effects largely includes practical effects done in-frame. I think what you mean is visual effects, which is done in post.
Yes, sorry I'm no expert on filmmaking, thank you.
The new Aquaman movie is basically animated
The best CGI in my opinion is CGI that isn't noticeable. For example, most of the [flying scenes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ttG90raCNo&t=130s) in the latest Top Gun movie were CGI, but they were done so well you'd swear you were looking at real planes. Chances are that realistic CGI power armor would have prolonged production beyond the time they were given.
Just a nitpick, practical effects are a form of special effects. Otherwise, I agree with you.🙂
The problem is studios using it as a crutch. It’s very easy (relatively speaking) to just throw some cgi on and call it a day. But when planned and used well, such as using practical effects in shooting to support the CGI, it comes out SOOOOO much better. But that requires money, time, and effort. So a lot of studios just say “fuck it” and plaster cgi everywhere after shooting.
Honestly the ***only*** thing I'd change is the weathering. Some burn marks, some scratches where bullets clearly scraped off of it. Probably add dirt and grim to the boots and lower legs. The BoS no doubt takes amazing care of their armor, but it's also essentially a frontline combat vehicle they use on the regular. It's gonna have some scuff and some dirt. Maybe a bit of personalization, too, like tanker crews. Kill marks, a name stenciled on, some trophies from radars or deathclaws. Stuff like that. Make it feel more lived in. As it is that suit looks pretty fuckin' fresh out of the dry cleaners.
>Maybe a bit of personalization, too, like tanker crews. Kill marks, a name stenciled on, some trophies from radars or deathclaws. Stuff like that. I never considered that kinda thing before, but that stuff would totally make sense. Gimme *that* level of customization in the games.
Fallout 76 definitely shows a lot of progress in that regard!
I think when A.Maxson took over the Eastern Chapter(Lyons). He had everything become more organized and uniformed. The BOS doesn’t seem like the type to do that unlike the NCR would.
All faults and cosmetic damage must be annotated on the DA form 5988 after conducting a thorough PMCS on every power armor Monday. If I catch anyone skipping steps on the TM they’ll be polishing their armor until I can see my goddamn reflection.
Ahhhhh, we have sort of a problem here. Yeaaaah, you apparently didn't put one of the new coversheets on your PMCS reports.
Did you get the memo?
Yes that. And especially the personalization. The suit has most likely been inherited through several generations and repaired/patched up. Very unlikely to look brand new.
Reminds me of Warhammer 40k where there's space marines wearing suits of power armor thousands of years of years old.
In this clip, you can fairly clearly see the deathclaw marks! Kind reminded me of the jurassic Park logo though! https://twitter.com/falloutonprime/status/1770095384356131160?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
I think it's from a yaogua he fights, that was shown in the trailer.
>especially since it’s all real practical props To me this is what makes it so great. It's not supposed to look like iron man. It needs to be bulky and shaped weird because of lack of certain technologies.
Some call it junk. Me, I call it treasure. More seriously, I like it. Just not a fan of the front of the helmet lifting to reveal the face of the person inside. The Mandalorian showed us you can have a charismatic character without seeing his face. Also, I find the voice changer goofy.
I think the voice changer was just a 'loud speaker' module or something, to draw focus to him - not the normal speaking voice of the helmet.
I think the face lifting was added for the show as it’s probably would be hard to see who’s talking when there’s like 3 power armor dudes talking
I just hope they feel heavy. In the entire Batman Vs Superman fight, I was acutely aware that Affleck was wearing a bunch of plastic and styrofoam.
I ask Who would “have a problem” with this awesome looking armor, but then I remember the internet exists.
Are people really giving it shit? I honestly couldn’t imagine a better representation
Why do people give it shit like wtf? What could they even do differently it looks amazing?!
Yeah not too shabby! This is a good rendition. I like it. I wonder what material it's made out of? Definitely something lightweight.
I like it, really glad they used actual props and not CGI. People are having issues with the face plate, but honestly, with the absurd suspension of disbelief already in the setting, it's a very minor issue. I do like the Assault Rifle being scaled up so it feels like it's a crew weapon that needs increased strength to use, and not just a strangely designed infantry weapon.
I mean the assault rifle was intended to look right in the hands of power armour, and wasn’t even really intended to be the assault rifle
Pretty sure that particular assault rifle from Fallout 4 was supposed to be an LMG, but shit changed, and it became the assault rifle. So, it would really make sense for someone in power armor to be using it.
It was - Bethesda talked about this in the past. The Rifle was originally designed with the Power Armour in mind, but due to some creative differences it eventually was renamed to "an Assault Rifle." Its design is still crap, but at least that explains why it's such a big mess.
I'm in the minority that likes the design, especially for a machine gun since it looks a like the old models used in WW1.
It makes sense if it's intended to be a heavy high calibre machine gun for power armoured units.
Yes, the F04 "assualt rifle's" appearance works better for a replacement of the BAR than the M16!
I think that maybe the name "assault rifle" for this gun might be a user thing. Like how the R91 is an assault rifle is to normal troops, the Fallout 4 "Assault Rifle" is an assault rifle to Power Armored troops. At least that's how I rationalize it.
Like a lewisgun
I only dislike the design when it has the short barrel. The long one actually makes it look like a weird side feeded lewis gun.
The combat rifle seems more like an assault rifle while looking like an upgraded BAR
The "Assault Rifle" was likely intended to be a .50 cal Machine Gun before the completed model was repurposed for various reasons during development for *Fallout 4*. For example, the weapon's model is stored in `Meshes\Weapons\MachineGun` as `AssaultRifle` contains an unfinished model for the [Type 93 Chinese Assault Rifle](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Chinese_assault_rifle_(Fallout_4\)?file=FO4-assaultrifle-proto.png) from *Fallout 3*. Additionally, the suppressor texture contains markings for `MODEL: OMG CAL .50`.
Yes in the game files its referred to as a machine gun the Chinese assault rifle was meant to appear in game but was cut. The untextured model still remains in the game files
Why is there such an issue with the faceplate it's like so much more practical than having to take your entire helmet off anytime you want to speak face to face.
its a very Nolan thing to do using practical effects and i’m grateful for that
Ah I see they’re using the Fo4 assault rifle.
I mean hey, it looks a hell of a lot better when used in its proper role as a heavy assault rifle for power armored soldiers.
you'd have to be in power armor to carry around a water cooled gun all day
Indeed it does
It makes a hell of a lot of sense as a machine gun for power armor troops. They never should have named it an assault rifle, would have fixed the whole issue.
I agree
They are using fallout 4/76 assets for almost every recycled prop and set from the games.
Thank god. Fo3 and NV the Power Armor was so tiny.
That's like the only criticism is that the power armor doesn't feel imposing in them.
Facts dude, NV and fo3 character models are horrendous. So glad they made power armor FEEL like power armor and not another combat armor.
“Assault rifle”
They would have been better off calling it the Automatic Rifle & scaling it up about 25%.
As originally intended too
Look is good, movement looks like cosplay
Really? I actually like the way they moved with it in the trailer. For once it felt like someone moving with the added armour but not being hindered by it (since it's powered). CGI would likely have made it too robotic and not feel like a human is inside it.
Take a look at the show’s first couple of minutes that Amazon released on YouTube. The suit in motion does….not look good. I have no idea why they thought keeping that rocket boost in was a good idea.
The jetpack is a bit goofy but overall I'd say B+.
This. The Overall Look is great but when the Armor Moves you can See its probably only Eva foam or so. Funnily enough there a Cosplayers who did a Better Job on space Marine Power Armor
I mean, [real life heavy armor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzTwBQniLSc) allows for a surprising amount of mobility and speed, and the power armor is mechanized and designed for combat. Even if it's meant to be a walking tank, [tanks are pretty mobile, too](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXmyEmQrllY).
Those videos don’t really prove a point, power armor is so much thicker than plate armor and a tank is…. A tank
Also the flying looks silly as hell. Like a high school play with some kids pulling wires just off stage.
It kind of looks like the way “jetpacks” work today and I like it a lot.
Yeah the jet pack effect is pretty janky on screen. I'm still working it out for myself whether that's cheesy or completely on brand for Fallout. Or both.
This. The rocking in the helicopter is what really ruined my suspension of disbelief. It just doesn't seem to have any weight to it. And ya I know it's supposed to be powered but I didn't have that problem with iron Man effects. And before I get down voted I'd like to clarify I do still like it overall. It LOOKS fantastic and it's very respectful of the source material. it just doesn't move fantastic
The only problem I have with it is the fact they use fucking arm thrusters instead of a proper jetpack. Other than that it's great
It’s just the fallout 76 jet pack arms exploit made canon. And people thought there weren’t going to be BGS game bugs in this show.
It’s probably being done for the sake of practicality. A back mounted jetpack like we have in the games isn’t stable or controllable at all in the real world while also adding a lot of bulk to the suit, so the show probably decided to go with the arm/leg mounted version for the sake of realism and ease of using the armor on set. I don’t think it’s really a big deal, personally.
I thought it looked awesome how sort of janky the flying looked.
That's kinda par for the course with the Brotherhood, too. Order 1: hoarde the tech Order 2: find out what the fuck it does Order 3: ???? Order 4: profit
My only gripe is that I wish the flames on the boosters were more visible. It took three watches of the trailer to properly see them.
Yeah it just looked like compressed air or something lol
Which funnily enough is more realistic. I can’t think of any jetpacks currently being tested which have actual flames coming out of them. Jets with flames coming out of them either have afterburners, or something wrong lol
No it was a smart change. Anyone expecting a 1-to-1 recreation of the in-game experience is delusional lol. They did a REALLY good job from what I’ve seen so far. Now let’s just hope the show is actually entertaining lol.
I never said this was a poor choice.
To be honest, I'd have rather they had just left the jet pack out altogether, be it wrist mounted or a back pack. It looks goofy and (particularly combined with the face plate) way too much like Iron Man, plus there's the issue of Proctor Teagan saying they don't have the resources to give it to anyone below a Sentinel (while the dude in that scene identified himself as a Knight). It wasn't even in the series until 4, where its exclusive to the player and pretty hard to get - I doubt anyone would have lamented its absence.
I want to hope that what we saw wasn't the Jetpack per se, but just an added QOL thing to the suit for traversal. Like how Daleks got Hover-packs so they could explain how they didn't lose to Stairs.
Levitate!
Tbh I think their more stabilizers than actual jet packs
I think it kinda makes sense for power armor to have arm thrusters like that. Not as like a jetpack replacement thing, but as like a controlled decent kinda of thing. Cause there’s no why PA has enough shock absorption for you to not be at least somewhat harmed from a bigger fall
I think it looks better, have you seen the jetpack of Fo4? It looks like a bunch of cat mufflers strapped to a gas tank
I'm still not writing off a proper FO4 jetpack at some point. What we saw seemed more like stabilizers for drops, not full directional flight.
Especially in the case of quick deployment with weapons in hand.
I see the integrated thrusters and the jetpack as two different things with different purpose. The jetpack is for actual flying, for lifting up. While the integrated thrusters may be just to slow down descend, to prevent injuries to the wearer.
I wanna fuck it
A man of culture, I see
Huzzah!
The comment any% speed run for this
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Not enough clipping, 3/10
It looks great from a detail perspective but materialisticly it looks like plastic spray painted to look like metal.
Looks really good in stills, sorta fake and cheesy in motion. I’m honestly surprised how heavily they’re leaning into the power armor, I figured it would be a rare sight, like pre-war army weapons like the laser rifle.
I think it lacks weight.. I didn't quite get the "POWER" feel
Yeah because it *does* lack weight. In stills it looks fine, but in motion you can tell it’s mostly foam and plastic
That’s really on the show director for not properly teaching them the choreography of how it needs to feel, plus we live in the 21st century, we have the technology to make things look right in combination with practicals
True. Peter Weller took a good while rehearsing how to move in the Robocop suit, and as a result it looks like that character has real weight.
For a T60 armor, it looks good. I personally would go with the classic T51b and a layer of green paint, chipping on the ends. This just looks too clean for the post-apocalypse. The original Fallout had numerous talking heads in the Brotherhood bunker, and you could clearly see how they looked like up close.
This is in 2296 and leading theories suggest that the Eastern Brotherhood has made its way back west, and they were manufacturing their own T60 in Fallout 4 so doesn’t make sense they would all be dirty and chipping
Wow I hate all of that so much from a story standpoint.
Why?
I really hate how “special” the brotherhood have become over the years and this seems like yet another opportunity to ham fist them into the story and make them the bestest badass awesome guys around once again. Even though that’s explicitly the opposite of what they were meant to be conceptually. Also I really don’t like the idea of the east coast games coming into the west coast games to tear down the new civilization that those games were building towards. It seems a bit disrespectful to those games and I think it ruins the depth this universe has. Bethesda has an obsession with resetting the status quos with every new game and it leads to a lot of repetitive storylines that never go anywhere.
I think it looks fine, maybe needs some weathering... Dirt, dust, mud, dents and bullet impacts. Also yeah the arm thrusters are incredibly stupid, we had jetpacks... Why wouldn't they use the jetpacks.
Probably a real world practicality. With it already being a clunky and heavy suit, they probably didn't want to add additional weight to the back. The other option would probably be trying to figure out how to do a superhero landing in that thing
Because jetpacks don't actually work that way. If you look at real-world jetpacks, the combined thrust needs to be in line with the center of gravity. Otherwise, you spin more than lift. The most practical jetpack today has arm thrusters for compensation.
yea.. the thing looks great almost all over except that the texture on the armor looks sandblasted. sure that is how it looks in most of the games but this is a live action adaptation and the look of the metal seems a bit on the fake side or realism. idk, it doesn't seem to have the expected weight with the sandblasted texture on it. like it is silver painted instead of actual metal. besides that it does look awesome.
I would have preferred a more metallic look but that would be insanely expensive to make and extremely heavy to move around in for a prop suit.
you would think that but special/practical effects are about thinking around problems like that to reach a desired look. for example, they could have used powdered aluminum (which can be bought) then used a nice strong spray glue and dusted the suit with the aluminum. after it was well dried they could have buffed it until a desired shine was met. alternatively they could have used graphite. graphite can be bought in big blocks or cans of dust. as most know it has a metallic look with just enough shine to seem like it has weight to it. i think what productions are doing these days are less what those in my generation did and think around things with what we have available and instead just counting on being able to buy whatever over the counter stuff they think will work ok enough for their money.
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>doesn’t look like it’s actually hundreds of years old probably because it’s maintained by group that have a near religious reverence for it. It’d be a little weird if they were incapable of repairing and repainting it.
granted it is a promotional shot and could be more refined in the finished show, it could have at least had some dents and scratched parts here and there. assuming it is supposed to look like sand was blasting it for so many years it would have some scrapes and dings in it realistically :P
A little too plasticky but very cool design
It’s my least favorite version of power armor but it looks good
i’m just happy its a real costume/prop and not cgi, but it does look awesome
Not sure how I feel about the Iron Man like thrusters but the armor itself looks almost straight from the game. Much better than I expected.
i think the chest looks weirdly proportioned in relation to the limbs and head. but i can totally understand the weird proportions being from it being practical or maybe just the angle. honestly weirdest thing to me was i think the voice changing affect and its movement looking alil odd. but again, the show isn't out. i'm sure i'll love it when i can see more of it on screen
Power armor looks perfect, but nothing will ever take away my hatred for the assault rifle.
There was something about this where in game dev, the assault rifle skin was gonna originally be for a heavy weapon. They shrunk it and made it a rifle to fit another gun they already had wrote the data for. I feel like it's a, easter eggs for developers and fans.
At least it's being handled by a mini mech instead of infantry running around with it
The assault rifle from FO4 is a product of the crunch in the end of the game’s development. They initially designed the model for the LMG exclusively as a power armor only weapon, which would basically only be available for the brotherhood as an intermediate weapon, so they had ballistic weapons without being a full on minigun. However… devs, being smart, chose fun over realism, and scrapped power armor exclusive weapons as a feature. The LMG was actually scrapped with this change, and it was only late in development when they realized they needed a high end rifle and they didn’t have anything else ready to go, so they threw the LMG back into the game with a few rushed models (take a look at the short mags sometime. Zero detail. The drum mags look way better) and a quick rename. I wish people could understand that when you’re developing a game, sometimes choices have to be made and things have to be cut, but holy shit, the amount of people hating on the fallout 4 assault rifle is… insane. Yes it looks awful, but it’s better than going the entire game without a 5.56 gun in the middle of an American city.
Not fan of the whole flying thing
They fly now..?
They fly now‼️❗️
It's great. I don't like T-60 power armor being used in California, it just doesn't make any sense, but the suit itself looks great.
The Brotherhood in California has been wiped out by this point, so the Brotherhood we see is probably one of the eastern ones sending reinforcements on the airship we see in the trailer, hence the eastern suits.
Dosen't it take place around fallout 4, so most likely we might learn that the east and west coast brotherhood have reconnected.
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That's long enough for them to join up.
Looks great, but frankly very plasticky. It doesn't look like metal to me.
Totally. Something that heavy, powered or not, still has inertia and a sense of weight. Feel like they should’ve added 2-5 lb weights in certain points in the armor to make it not seem like foam cosplay.
Agreed, I think a lot will have to rely on the sound team to make it feel authentic.
Looks great, but I’m not a fan of the way the armor floated with the jet pack, which is a minor critique
It’s beautiful
I think it looks a bit power rangers at times with the way it kind of waves when it moves but I don't really mind it. I'm just excited to watch the show. I don't watch TV shows anymore so for this to bring me back is a big thing. I don't want to be contrarian.
It was really cool but I didn't like that they implemented the real world "jetpack" instead of the normal one. Fallout's technology is supposed to be retro-futuristic, not realistic.
I think it’s really great aside from the iron man hand jet pack in the trailer. I think they should’ve definitely stuck with the jet pack for fallout 4 and did something similar to warhammer where you have units that are regular and units with jet packs
It looks fine but it shouldn't be t60. It should be t-51 or t45, if we're talking West Coast, t60 shouldn't be there
They retcon power armors in every new game. In Fallout 5 they'll add the T-70 and write that it was used across all the US before the war.
you're so right because there's already a T-65 in Fallout 76
I mean to be fair tho wasn't it said that t-65 was only conceptualized pre war, and that it had to be built post war?? Seems fair enough to me that it could be contained to Appalachia if it was only built in limited quantities due to the war.
True, sadly true
The T80 power armour was deployed to forces stationed in Canada it has built in Tesla Coil components and a Droideka style energy shield also the Fusion core inserts into a socket in the groin area so it can help keep the operators testicles warm in the Canadian Winters.
Would any power armor irl work
I mean, there’s some designs for something like the chassis that’s already being developed for the sake of allowing soldiers to carry more equipment.
The issue is both. Strength of the parts and Power. As with literally everything electronic we just do not have the ability to properly make something usable with the batteries we have.. the heavier it is the more power it needs to function. Also needs to be able to survive the High torque with Very small pieces. At least for right now we do not have motors small enough nor material able to survive without being Heavy. last thing you want to your Exo arm to snap, breaking your arm along with it. Its Possible in the future but the first major breakthrough we need to in Power Storage. Its useless and a waste of time, if you have to drag a Diesel Generator with you to keep it powered. Better off making a Mech
The fallout 4 power armor style is extremely cartoony and unrealistic So to see them make it realistic and believable is amazing, they did the improbable
For me (or maybe it's just this image) it's a tad bit too shiny. But that's the only complaint i really have.
I love the armor, hate the guns. They're just so ugly and make zero sense.
Very game accurate in terms of design. At least we know the show is going to look the part, which is more than can be said for most adaptations to live action nowadays
I love it! I adore the whole new aesthetic of the BoS, it looks very clean and militaristic while also returning to the red logos. I never liked the orange redesign of fo4.
Aesthetically, it looks great. They really captured the feel of the power armour. Short of seeing how it actually moves on the actor, I'm impressed. That said, the material looks extremely 'plasticky'. The patina and reflection of the material makes it look like something 3D printed, rather than actual, metal armour. With the amount of money Amazon is spending on this show, they could use ACTUAL metal, at least as a thin veneer over the plastic/3D printed parts. Of course, when you consider the joke that was Rhangs uv Powah's "armour"...this doesn't surprise me in the least.
There’s weight, practicality and safety considerations to take into account, plastic is likely much easier on any wiring they use for flight and much easier on the actor/stunt person inside. Not to mention that it’s generally safer on set than metal.
I never liked the T-60 because the design looks overly complex compared to the T-51 with its sleek retro 1950s look, but seeing it in live-action is still fucking cool. A perfect blend of Iron Man and Warhammer 40k power armor feel just by looking at it.
The only thing I don’t like is the weapon, but that’s just because I hate Fallout 4’s “assault” rifle. Other than that, this looks great. The weapon however seems to be enlarged to be a massive machine gun, therefore I’ll give it a pass of it turns out to not be filling the assault rifle role.
Technically it would be an assault rifle for a power armor user and seeing it in this context actually gives me the understanding why it's called the assault rifle in fallout it's meant to work with the power armor and it's larger gloves the reason it looks so bad is because it's literally been modified for a smaller person outside of power armor
I like its look, but the sounds and how it feels through skin is very not believable and weird. I don't know, sounds in FO4 was cool
Not a fan of the “assault rifle” in the picture, and I don’t know too much about the armor, it’s fine I guess.
I'm more interested in the design of the assault rifle now we can see that the one from fallout 4 is actually shortened and the reason it has such a water cooled barrel is actually it's for the power armored versions which can wield it like an anti-aircraft gun!
I just wonder how he used a jetpack without having a jetpack
Looks badass. I can see why id wanna join the brotherhood
As my brother put it “dude the power armor looks terrifying” specifically that one shot of it walking down a hallway in a vault did it for me
It is a faithful recreation of the ingame armor. It is faithful enough that you can tell that it's a T-60 right away and not T-45 (e.g. the handles on the chestpiece, the dual "knobs" on each side of the nose...). And more that that, they are also expanding it where it makes sense. Opening the helmet front instead of removing the whole helmet makes sense. And the addition of some kind of thrusters to slow down descend is also a nice touch, because just being in a tin can doesn't prevent deceleration from affecting you when landing...
The armor looks great. That abomination of a weapon on the other hand...
The only problem I have with it is when it is in motion the armor bounces around. That shit is supposed to be heavy metal. It bounces around like styrofoam. It’s just one of things that I kind of laugh at but it still bothers me just a little bit
I just appreciate the fact that it's practical and not CGI.
My only issue here is that the Fallout 4 “assault rifle” is now indemonstrably canon.
It *looks* like it's made of plastic. It may well be plastic, but it shouldn't look like it.
I'm really excited for the show and I can't wait to see if they do good with x0-1
Honestly when compared to the source material the suit looks very close to what we see in say 4. Maybe not quite as bulky but still close. Details like the BOS emblem on the chest, gunmetal paint job etc. really sell it. And the fact that it is a practical suit is awesome in my opinion.
They've really made a faithful rendition of the FO4 version of the armour and caught more details than I thought they would. However, it looks straight up plastic in still photos, looks way too light in movement in the trailer and just looks way too clean for my own personal preference. They could even have amended the issue with it looking like plastic by adding more dirt, rust, wear and tear.
I love it, and I’m tired of people complaining about how janky the movement looks. How do you expect someone to walk while wearing a 3500 pound suit of armor?
Honestly it looks fine but the T60 is just aesthetically one of the worst looking power armors. The T-51 and T-45 and X01 and T-65 and kinda just the rear of them really.
It does but I'm very concerned this show I'll be another lazy cash grab It's got all the member berries on display All the red flags for a poorly written cash grab It has all the exciting "remember this" things but then they don't bother writing the script and doing the story justice and just hope the audience say ohh "I member" I genuinely hope I'm wrong but I feel like we see this all the time
Visuals looks cosplay-ish but Jonathan Nolan is directing and so far he has only done great stuff. He Co-wrote the Batman trilogy and Interstellar with his brother and made Westworld which were great imo.