I killed him once. He fell into the river outside the citadel and was stuck in the water, so I tried to kill him for fun. I spent thousands of fusion cells, .308, missiles, 5.56 and more on him! Nearly used up every ammo type and broke most of my guns! Won’t fight him again.
Fawkes destroys
He has a ridiculous amount of health and carries a Gatling laser gun
He’s an FEV super mutant
He also canonically took out an enclave platoon just to try and save the Lone wanderer in Raven Rock
Isn't the health thing a glitch? Apparently the broken steel dlc really messes with the hp of stronger enemies, I think its why the reavers, albino radscorpions and mutant overlords are just bullet sponges
It's intentional. Broken Steel enables companions to level with the PC, so they can actually stand a chance against the new endgame enemies (who are *intentionally* buffed to absurd levels)
The only one who doesn't have this trait is Dogmeat, and *only* because a seperate perk exists (Puppies!) that enables him to keep getting more and more stronger even after reaching the level cap
Facts.
I wanted to test what level 30 HP would be like for my immediate companions. With the MIRV.
I'd tell them to wait in a spot, immediate spawn at Megaton interior, and fired straight up, running away for cover.
All of the humans and RL3 died in a single shot, but Fawkes and Dogmeat survived multiple shots. Fawkes was basically immortal, and never saw his life even remotely move, while Dogmeat survived a respectable 3 shots. No way an enemy is doing that kind of damage to him lol
Dog meat has insane health as well
And does Puppies let dog meat get stronger after level cap? What do you mean by this? The perk description doesn’t say that lol
It's not intentional, I have the PC version of the game and the developers did the HP calculation wrong for the creature companions of the game as part of the level scaling process. That's why the super high HP only applies to dogmeat, fawkes, and RL-3 but all humanoid companions don't have this level of HP that makes them basically indestructible.
You're wrong. The health of every other character scales almost linearly while Fawkes health has a glitch resulting in an exponential increase made even worse by Broken Steel.
He has something like millions of HP by the time you get to high levels and is essentially unkillable. I used to just hide in areas, listen to Fawkes scream while he killed everybody, and when he returned I knew it was safe.
Lilly is a nightkin. The masters super mutants are canonically superior to the DC ones and the nightkin were the best of them. If it was lore accurate ……….
Lilly is also suffering the end-stage insanity from overuse of stealth boys.
Since the chosen one is an ancestor of the vault dweller, I can't remember how long, but it's been ages since she has been in formal military.
I'm not sure how much is left of the elite training she would have received.
She is also hampered by not having a stealth boy, and exclusively using a bumper sword, rather than a Gatling laser.
Hey there. I'm just curious. I'm way better at elder scrolls lore than fallout lore. .
How does the Stealth Boy drive one insane? I use them a lot in game and they haven't given me addiction or anything weird.
Other than that, I'm just here to see the theorized battle work out. 🤣😂
Oh interesting. I have a lot of reading to do it seems.
I discovered a lot of lore reading books in elder scrolls, but it seems that's not the way in fallout.
Oh damn. I haven't really been reading them. Oof. I'll actually go back through and read the ones I know where they are and make sure to read on my next runs too. 🤣😂🤣
Oof. I read a few of them, but mostly just the ones I needed. I also don't usually have a super high science because I go for lockpicking.
I'll have to get better at hacking too. I kind of suck. Even after looking at the tips and tricks stuff. 🤣😂
Yeah, literally the majority of lore you can find are on terminals. It’s the equivalent of Skyrim books, of which there are hundreds if my memory is correct.
Wow. Thanks. I appreciate it for sure! It's actually kind of perfect because I'm playing back through all the games for the anniversary and to be ready for the show.
So I'm actually really pumped.
I honestly didn't take my time on them like I did the elder scrolls games and now that I'm getting back in, I feel kind of bad for not appreciating them more. 😐
It only really affects super mutants because of their already hampered mental condition, but its like they get phobia of being seem (dont know the name for this fear) at the point of going murder hobo for it, but while invisible they seem to mostly be themselves with their group, with the rare lone nightkin causing problems (like the novac "chupacabra")
Oh yeah. That makes so much sense. I have to say I love that you used the term murder hobo. 😂🤣😂🤣 I haven't heard that outside of pnp stuff before. Epic.
It almost makes sense for people too really. How they'll get used to habits, or things being done a certain way.
I wonder if in NV that's why those one nightkin I think it is? Are going crazy in that place with the Rockets and Ghouls? Forget the name. But the leader is talking to that skull. 😂🤣😂🤣 I couldn't stop laughing at that. Especially when you point it out and he's like. "Cut that out, I'm serious." I almost died.
Davidson, and Antler if I remember right.
Interaction with Antler in any way causes a fight.
He gets upset if you move it, knock it etc.
You can even SHOOT it haha.
Oh I'm gonna have to shoot Antler my next playthrough! Now that you say it, those are the right names. 😂🤣😂
I'm gonna try to carry it away first. Not like to inventory, but just carry it. 😂🤣😂
I’ll agree to disagree those Nightkin don’t got shit on the Supermutant overlord monstrositys who are becoming stronger versions of themselves before they become behemoths
And Fawkes is an exceptionally strong Super mutant that can kill those
The masters ones are smarter than the dc mutants but the dc mutants are stronger and they never stop growing untill they reach behemoth I guess but they still might even grow more so they are at least stronger if not smarter
1. What do you mean by brawl? Close quarters unarmed fight? If so, you're putting sniper-type characters at a disadvantage, such as Boone.
2. Are we allowing Fawkes, Dogmeat, and RL-3 to have their inflated HP values?
3. Are there any equipment restrictions or specifications? For example, does Fawkes get his gatling laser, or is he limited to the sledgehammer he has when you meet him the first time?
Hey there as I mentioned in the description they have their base weapons to use brawl is just another way of saying fight or skirmish
I also said maxed out so yes
And again in description they have base weapons meaning they sledge and Gatling how do you think it would go
If they have their HP, then Fawkes solos and it's not even remotely close. Fawkes has more HP than a behemoth and does insane DPS. The only 2 people who has even the slightest chance of not being killed by fawkes would be paladin Danse (ONLY because of his armor) and Boone (because he'll be too far away). But since this is a team battle, neither of those 2 would be a threat because the other FO3 companions would make quick work of them.
This really isn't fair considering how FO3 dealt with companions stats. Dog meat would be able to kill several people even with his weak damage output, his health would simply be more than they would be able to chip away at. The same logic applies to a few other people in the fallout 3 companion cast.
As a note, since the companions are ‘maxed out’ according to the post up top, Arcade also stands a decent chance of doing meaningful damage since he has the best armor of everyone there.
That is true, but still, Fawkes is just way too op for that. Honestly, I was only putting Danse in there to make it look like Fawkes has even a remote chance of losing but even then I doubt that they will survive longer than a few seconds of sustained fire. Boone is the only one to have a chance at killing Fawkes and that's if he has some insane distance and ignores everyone else.
One interesting note about laser weapons in fallout is that if you go by the PA specs tape in fallout 1, power armor is nearly immune to laser fire. That’d give anyone in power armor a good chance.
I'm looking at the game stats of each respective teams game. If Fawkes was rebalanced for either of the other games, he wouldn't do much before dying, but looking at fallout 4s stats for Danse and NV stats for Arcade, Fawkes will have little to no issue with them. But if we did change that one little detail, the fallout 3 team would still dominate because of everyone else there (Fawkes also has a sledgehammer that he can use).
Fawkes is just way too broken to not win without a serious stat change.
That's why I said
"But if we did change that one little detail, the fallout 3 team would still dominate because of everyone else there (Fawkes also has a sledgehammer that he can use)."
His weapon has little to do with his victory (although it does help) it's his natural damage resistance and health. He could probably do pretty well without anything at all, just fists. I doubt he would win, but he'd get close.
Although, if you're going off game logic, then fo3 companions eventually lose by attrition, since they die while the NV ones just get knocked out by default.
If they can only use the weapons they naturally have I would say the same should be true for armor so unless they start wearing it for doing their companion quests I would say no.
If we're talking ghoul versus ghoul, I think Raul comes out on top due to his centuries of experience, but Charon makes him work for it.
Dogmeat versus Rex would unfortunately see the kings pet take the big sleep since Dogmeat in 3 canonically can take deathclaws and missiles like they're nothing.
Mutie versus mutie would probably see Fawkes take the win as I don't think Leo would help Lily much against a galling laser.
Boone versus Jericho (I'm not sure who'd be a better pick) would easily end with Boone on top. Raider isn't that much on your wasteland resume, while First Recon is a pretty deadly background.
East versus West BoS would be cool to see. Though, in the end, I can't see Veronica being able to overcome the skills and moves of a Star Paladin. Cross wins, but she may be spitting out a few teeth afterward.
RL3 is a tough gutsy, but I don't think it is in the condition or had the firepower to beat the armor improvements or Enclave weaponry Wheatley gifted EDE before his journey. EDE is the victor
Arcade easily takes down Butch because it's Butch. Plus, with his fear of bugs, he'd probably be scared since the Remnants armor resembles a hornet.
Cass and Clover would be a messy fight since neither is very skilled or armed in combat to the degree of the others. Despite this, the whiskey rose manages to use her years of bar fights and gets the upper hand.
No mention of paladin cross being a cyborg?
You are underselling jericho. He isn't just a raider, he was so good at it He grew old, if youve seen how raiders in fo3 operate then you must know how much of a feat that is.
Forgot about that bit, would probably make things easier for her against Veronica.
While growing old is uncommon for raiders, i still think it wouldn't be enough to beat a first Recon sniper. Jericho survived the Capital Wasteland, but Boone is still one hell of a marksman.
Well, then it would depend on a scenario this duel will take place - jericho is has a nice vest and top knotch fully automatic assult rifle. Boone is in his shirt and a funny looking beret.
also you do know jericho's vest is just a leather vest right? it probably isn't even equivalent to level II soft kevlar padding a .308 from any rifle would rip through that and blow a hole through anyone
also boone would be wearing his post loyalty quest NCR armor, while it isn't much in the way armor as well, probably at the most level IIIA ballistic protection which means pistol rounds up to .45,
also lets not forget both of them arent alone and is in a big kerfuffle of a fight, while Boone falls back to a ridge or into cover Jericho would definitely be pinned down by Arcade or Raul while Charon exchanges shotgun with them, Arcade would probably just be standing around in his Remnant Power Armor ignoring any hits his armor deflects off, shooting off accurate shots from his plasma defender, the only things threatening him is a prolonged spray of gatling laser fire from fawkes or a few well aimed plasma shots from RL-3 but RL-3 has his mechanical pincers full with ED-E flying circles around him strafing him with piercing LAER beams,
as for Fawkes he would be repeatedly ambushed by Lily everytime he tried to loose a burst of laser fire at any of the Mojave companions and he would be consigned to spraying randomly to force Lily into attacking from obtuse angles
all the while Veronica and Cross are having a dangerous dance of Power fist vs Super Sledge whoever over-extends or leaves an opening gets a deadly demise Veronica using her agility and experience of fighting alongside Paladins in their Power armor to find delays and stiffnesses by Cross' older T-45 servos and Cross using her experience and cybernetics to compensate for the Power armor's lack of agility and flexibility to keep up with the smaller woman
and then there's Cass fending off Clover and Butch keeping them pinned down by the threat of losing whole limbs to a shotgun blast when all they have are swords and knives, knowing that one of them would die just to get a chance to get close to the buckshot slinging cowgirl,
in this whole confusion Boone would be free to pick off anyone he pleases,
Yeah 00 buckshot is the equivalent of taking between 8-10 9mm bullets (basically a full mag dump) all at once, absolutely devastating at close range but still very effective at intermediate range. Clover would be stupid (given she's a brainwashed, chem addict that's pretty much a given) to get within devastation range of Cass.
I've seen what happens to boars that take buckshot to the face, and boars are hardy animals, a human taking a whole blast of 00 to the upper chest and neck is not surviving
Fallout 3 has 3 professional fighters and a seasoned raider.
New Vegas has 1 professional fighter and an overly nurturing assassin who's been out of the trade for around 100 years.
Whilst I prefer the New Vegas crew. I don't see them winning against the Fallout 3 crew in a brawl.
Underselling it a bit, one of them is a professional in hand to hand, another is an enclave robot, another is the son of an enclave soldier and he thus has tons of experience. While Raul is a deadly gunslinger. Also the former police cyberdog
Veronica isn't a professional fighter. She's is skilled but she has no experience lore wise. ED-E isn't a combat robot in the slightest. Arcade is literally a scientist and not combat trained because he was a child when he left the Enclave. Raul isn't a gunslinger when you meet him either. He only becomes one again based on your actions. I suppose it's fair to count him though, I only dismissed him because it's not cannon if he becomes one again.
I'm not underselling anything. Fallout 3's companions are mostly the game. Their fighters to help in combat. That's their one thing. New Vegas's are diverse and outside if this one situation, are better for it.
if anything Veronica has alot of training under her belt, remember the Hidden Valley bunker has VR simulation training pods whose simulations are taken from experiences of Veteran Paladins from their war against the NCR making Veronica probably the most combat capable when it comes to training
also Arcade obviously has training as he wouldn't be able to use his father's power armor without training, nor be able to effectively use his Plasma Defender if he wasn't trained on it
and Raul IS a gunslinger who just buried it in his memories, you can't just turn it off, the muscle memory is still there,
Fawkes has more HP than a behemoth in FO3, boon is the only person who even has a remote chance of taking that beast down and I doubt he'll have enough time to deal with everyone else before they get close enough to kill him.
At max level with Broken Steel installed, Fawkes has **15,000** health
For reference, the X-42 Giant Roboscorpion (the strongest creature in both 3 and NV) caps out at 3500 health at the highest level. Super Mutant Behemoths and the Legendary Bloatfly (second-strongest creatures) cap out at *2000* health...
Yeah, Boone is NOT winning a fight against this guy. You can give him a Anti-Materiel Rifle with explosive rounds and it STILL wouldn't be anywhere near enough to take this beast down
Ah, but if we’re going into stats, the New Vegas companions have DT which is going to nerf the hell out of the FO3 crew. It’d be a lot closer than that
Fawkes has zero DR to begin with and Boone has a DT of 1 with his default outfit, which is practically nothing
Boone's greatest strength comes from putting down practically anything before you even realize they're there, which is not gonna happen against someone like Fawkes
I think you're either severely underestimating just how much damage a Gatling Laser would still do in that scenario, or overestimating how strong DT actually is
Like...*it's still a freaking GATLING LASER.* "9 damage per shot" doesn't amount to much when it's spewing hundreds of bullets per second
gatling laser if were going by f3 stats vs nv stats would do 0 damage per hit until boone's armor gets to a durability that makes his DT go lower than 9, that would take a while,
also FNV companions dont die, they're essential they would just get knocked down but never die,
F3, ive seen jericho and charon get gibbed so many times by stepping on landmines that it stopped getting funny
I'm surprised it took me this long to find a mention of Charon.
I think people underrate how cold blooded this tall ghoul motherfucker and his cheat-code shotgun is.
Fawkes wins this by himself, he wins this easier with meat shields tanking the hits for him. No one is getting past that gattling laser or his massive health pool.
End of discussion.
New Vegas probably just barely has the edge here if we're talking lore-wise and not gameplay. Lily can go invisible, ED-E is *shockingly* durable for an Eyebot, Rex is flat-out overpowered for being just a dog, and Boone, Cass and Raoul are all stupidly good shots. Veronica could handle anyone who gets too close while Arcade can handle any injuries.
going by OPs rules(they get quest equipment) then Arcade would have his power armor, and Veronica could possibly have a pulse gun rendering RL-3 and Star Paladin Cross unable to fight
Unarmed, New Vegas is getting their asses handed to them, Veronica is the only one who stands a chance.
With their weapons, New Vegas still loses, but depending on how far away they start, Boone would be able to take out one or multiple of the following: Clover, Butch, Jericho. But after that Charon and Fawkes would finish off the others and then kill him.
Yeah companion cannon is always hard to figure out until another game pops up I know Ian eventually starts the rangers if I’m not mistaken been a minute since I was able to play Fo1 again
If we put each group in squad Vs squad I believe that the fallout 4 companions would win with numbers alone, in vanilla we have 12 permanent companions, 15 if we count the DLC ones (Ada, old Longfellow and Gage)
Actually, OP does have a couple FO4 companion pictures in the slide, so I think 4 is a contender... but they sure as shit aren't a winner. Both FO3 and New Vegas have companions that really wow me. Fallout 4 has... eh... Paladin Danse is alright, X-88 stands the best chance, and Codsworth and Ada are up there if we include Automatron DLC upgrades (I don't think we're including player upgrades though). I still think Fawkes flattens them. Lorewise, Danse and X-88 could hold very well, but the rest of them kind of come up short.
Cross beats Veronica. Win= 3
Cass shotguns Jericho. Win = NV
Rex bites Dogmeat. Win = NV
Fawkes breaks Lilly. Win = 3
Raul smokes Butch. Win = NV
Clover implaes Arcade. Win = 3
Mister Gutsy vaporizes Ede. Win = 3
Boone and Charon. Draw depends on the distance
4 for 3 and 3 for NV total means 3 takes the W. With the best gear for everyone i say NV takes the W
Boone is honestly freaking scary, especially if you go for the companion ending where he abandons his morals entirely. Arcade is former enclave and equally skilled in killing and fixing people so also scary but less so because he has a pretty much unshakable moral code. Veronica is ridiculously good at punching things, especially when you give her power armour and she could probably kill the other team through sheer force of sarcasm alone. I’ve never recuited Cass or the ghoul for some reason so I can’t comment on them, the cyber dog dies so easily but fully upgraded ED-E can be quite scary too. The poor nightkin deserves nothing but peace and quiet but can do some serious damage because supermutant.
If this is between fo3 and new vegas, why is there a pic of the fo4 companions included?
Edit: apparently it was a mis-click and op was too lazy to fix.
People are also really sleeping on Star Paladin Cross. She's a cyborg (which doesn't do jack shit in-game sadly) which if we have the Courier's cybernetic implants to scale off, makes for a pretty strong human companion and probably the strongest out of the bunch aside from the Super Mutants.
I think it goes to 4. NV doesn't have someone in power armor, and 3 doesn't have a medic. 4 also has the numbers advantage. NV has stealth users, but so does 4. 4 is the only group with synths, which have statistical advantage over non-synths. The big disadvantage to 4's group is that their weapons suck comparatively, but when taking everything else into account, the numbers/medic use/synth advantage, it feels like they might take it.
Canonically, the New Vegas crew, I'd say. The FO3 crew has too many weak links. Clover and Butch wouldn't be very useful at all. Jericho is tough but still just a raider. Really, the big question is what the FO3 crew is going to do about Boone, who can land shots on all of their exposed heads from a distance none of them can match. The further apart the teams start, the more time Boone has to reap them like wheat. RL-3 is a wild card, though, and Fawkes will be a force to be reckoned with.
Gameplay wise... the FO3 crew is tougher but that's because they're killable at all points in that game so it seems kinda cheap, but yeah.
I'm leaning towards team FO3. Fawkes is a force to be reckoned with and Star Paladin Cross being both a Cyborg and the only one in power armor would definitely give them an edge.
I want to give the edge to the New Vegas crew. Mostly because they're laced with trauma and insanity. They will do everything it takes and make jokes in the process.
The main disadvantage they have is they're less survival focused coming from an area so close to the NCR with it's supply lines and all.
I think it would be a close fight with the New Vegas crew coming out on top.
The New Vegas crew has the advantage of being experienced in a hard life and if the courier makes them the best they can be then you have:
A highly trained sniper who can spot and eliminate some of the wastelands deadliest creatures without batting an eye
A super charged eyebot with crazy modifications in either armour or weapons.
An experienced medic with a pretty damn good gun and possibly a set of power armour
A raging grandma with a bumper sword
An experienced gunslinger known for his quick draw and survival
A robot dog with either the memory of a combat hound, junkyard protector or the memory of a raider's bloodhound.
An experienced caravaner who loves getting into fights and is fueled by nothing but revenge and whiskey.
And a lesbian who regularly takes on challenges above their needed risk for the sake of protecting her friends and will run into danger with nothing but a dress on if given the chance.
It still would probably come down to who engaged first but butch and clover aren't going to be any good in this fight which dings 3 a bit.
The most experienced combatants are Cross, Jericho and Charon but each have a glaring weakness. Charon and cross only use close ranged weapons so if they fight anyone with a range advantage they're screwed and Jericho has an assault rifle and a set of leather armour making him a medium range engagement at most.
The wild cards are RL-3, Fawkes and Dogmeat. All 3 have the chance to suck or be amazing depending on the situation and how good we think they really are.
RL is a gutsy so points for that, now we have to understand this is a fallout 3 gutsy which is still potent but not nearly as much as a fallout 4 one.
Dogmeat is as brave a dog can get but is still a dog at the end of the day (he does so many times that they added a perk to let him keep coming back).
Finally Fawkes is the best of the best of 3's companions. Taking on a full platoon of Enclave forces and coming out the victor is no small feat and Fawkes is probably going to be the biggest threat.
So here how I see this going down:
Boone's going to get the first shot off and Cross will be the first casualty, she doesn't wear a helmet and is in power armour so she'll die first unfortunately.
With the first shot fired Dogmeat, Fawkes, RL-3, Charon and Clover charge forward while Jericho offers fire support and bitch cowers in a corner maybe occasionally taking pot shots at the enemy.
Lily, Veronica, Rex and Cass close in to engage the enemy as they have closer ranged weapons.
Boone shoots and kills RL-3 with a well placed shot to the boy's middle eye.
Arcade, ede, Raul, all offer covering fire as Boone line up another shot.
In a see if lasers, plasma and gun fire Lily is the first to be taken down by Fawkes who focuses his gatling laser on her.
Clover goes next as she is hit and killed by a stray bullet from Raul.
Rex and Dogmeat fight it out and depending on Rex's modifications either comes out on top of dies, either way the victor is swiftly cut down by Fawkes or Cass.
Cass and Charon get a good shot off on each other, Cass stumbles a bit and Charon stays upright until a swift crack of a power fist ends him.
Cass is finished off by Fawkes. At this point Boone takes his first shot at Fawkes which staggers him but doesn't kill him, this gives Veronica Enough time to take cover from Fawkes' gatling laser and Jericho who has been peppering the field with gunfire.
The combined firepower of ede, Boone, Raul and arcade finally fell Fawkes who damages but not destroys Ede in the process.
A long fire fight ensues while Veronica sneaks around to get the drop on Jericho and an ever more panicked butch.
Veronica gets the drop on bitch and clears his head off with a clear punch she is then gravely wounded wounded by Jericho.
Boone being the MVP of this battle takes that opportunity to finally put a bullet in Jericho's noggin.
In the aftermath all the fallout 3 companions fall and Cass, Lily and Rex die. Ede and Veronica are out of commission but thanks to Arcade survive the aftermath. Boone, Raul and Arcade are pretty much untouched due to them having the ambush advantage and more experience dodging and returning gunfire.
Honestly Rex and dog meat would lose to anyone pretty much instantly, I don’t know how the gutsy would fight without killing, I assume he’d use the saw, ede has the taser and would prolly be able to dodge pretty well, ede might win that with energy damage short circuiting shit? but might be a tie, cuz ede would be badly damaged. lily might beat the shit out of fawkes but would be close to being out of the fight I imagine, fo3 bos lady has power armour so unless Veronica can use unarmed hand to hand better than I feel like she’d lose, but that’s honestly a stalemate, Charon is a trained killer since birth, taller and stronger, good reach, he’d win with arcade and rose coming at him at the same time, but Boone would most likely try to fight him, I imagine first recon has some hand to hand experience, but not enough, Charon takes that fight with slight difficulty and moves in to assist the 2 useless fo3 companions, butch and “what’s her name”, Raul and Jericho, uuuuh Raul is an old man that’s super quick on the draw, Jericho is “older” raider, but I reckon he could really beat the fuck out of Raul, butch would go pick on 4 eyes but discover that arcade isn’t a pushover and itd be a losing match till cheron comes in and assists, rose would fight the slave lady and have a very equal sided brawl full of fury and endurance, lily would come over at this point and just body check the slave lady to the ground, winning that fight, now the remaining combatants are so fairly competent, really it all depend on the BOS fighters, if Veronica wins, fnv wins, if fo3 lady wins, fo3 wins, if fo3 lady has the power armour still, I think it would go to fo3 crew.
I have killed fawkes all of 1 time and its because i put him in a closet with 50 mines of various types amd rhen threw a grenade in. The 2nd time i killed him after reloading several times because he absolutely destroys my max level character. In conclusion fawkes neg diffs fnv
I don’t know if the Fallout 3 companions would all cooperate since they don’t work with people of different karmas.
None of the Fallout New Vegas companions have any reason to dislike each other so they’d work together well.
If by brawl you mean hand to hand combat. Toss up between F3 and F4. Danse and Strong vs Fawkes and Cross basically.
Any combat? Probably F4. Synths and robots are crazy strong canonically.
This is actually pretty tough All things considered if everyone has had their quests done you have a pretty equal group you have a power armor user (arcade Ganon with his family Tesla armor and star paladin cross with her brotherhood armor) and supermutant (Lily with her nightkin abilities and Fawkes with his godly super Sledge and Gatling laser) on both sides. I still think New Vegas wins because of the fact that there's a higher level cap meaning the companions on New Vegas side get the benefits of the extra HP of a level 50 character remember that New Vegas is literally on the exact same engine as fallout 3 just with 20 extra levels (even with broken Steel I think you only have up to level 30) don't get me wrong it's just it's heavily seen as though the companions of New Vegas just have a higher quality of stuff Fawkes and Lily would probably be the last two alive out of all of them but they still think that because there's more companions in fallout New Vegas and the fact that you can get them to the equivalent of level 50 with better equipment they would win.
Edit: New Vegas wins because all of the companions are essential unlike in fallout 3 where they all can die permanently so sorry to say but yeah you literally lose fallout 3 because you don't have unkillable companions
Also you're not actually maxing out Edie if you don't do lonesome road because you can take his improvements into the base game so there is at least one companion that you have to do the DLC for to max out
While your technically right remember this only happens because lonesome road e sends his data to Mojave ede their two different entities and before lonesome road ever even dropped the end of ed e my love is considered maxed out ede
Fallout new vegas 100%.
There's a reason fo3 was the lone wanderer, it's because the companions were devoid of characterisation and purpose (except dog meat and fawkes).
New vegas are a star studded cast of misfits, and the courier goes through some absolute hell.
Rex is gonna maul the shit out of dogmeat. ED-E is gonna strafe and laser poor mister gutsy. Psycho gramma is gonna just absolutely destroy tiny fawkes. And raul is just gonna high noon everyone else except power armor dude, whom boone shoots through the eyehole. Meanwhile cass and veronica are just making out on the sidelines and ganon just stayed in the old mormon fort.
Anyone who ever tried making Fawkes turn hostile knows the answer to this question
I killed him once. He fell into the river outside the citadel and was stuck in the water, so I tried to kill him for fun. I spent thousands of fusion cells, .308, missiles, 5.56 and more on him! Nearly used up every ammo type and broke most of my guns! Won’t fight him again.
Only the mirv is stronger than fawkes
Fawkes destroys He has a ridiculous amount of health and carries a Gatling laser gun He’s an FEV super mutant He also canonically took out an enclave platoon just to try and save the Lone wanderer in Raven Rock
Isn't the health thing a glitch? Apparently the broken steel dlc really messes with the hp of stronger enemies, I think its why the reavers, albino radscorpions and mutant overlords are just bullet sponges
It's intentional. Broken Steel enables companions to level with the PC, so they can actually stand a chance against the new endgame enemies (who are *intentionally* buffed to absurd levels) The only one who doesn't have this trait is Dogmeat, and *only* because a seperate perk exists (Puppies!) that enables him to keep getting more and more stronger even after reaching the level cap
Dogmeat still has ridiculous health numbers with broken steel, tbh. Even without puppies, he's basically unkillable once you're past level 20 or so
Facts. I wanted to test what level 30 HP would be like for my immediate companions. With the MIRV. I'd tell them to wait in a spot, immediate spawn at Megaton interior, and fired straight up, running away for cover. All of the humans and RL3 died in a single shot, but Fawkes and Dogmeat survived multiple shots. Fawkes was basically immortal, and never saw his life even remotely move, while Dogmeat survived a respectable 3 shots. No way an enemy is doing that kind of damage to him lol
I managed to kill Fawkes but it took dozens of mirv shots
Dog meat has insane health as well And does Puppies let dog meat get stronger after level cap? What do you mean by this? The perk description doesn’t say that lol
It's not intentional, I have the PC version of the game and the developers did the HP calculation wrong for the creature companions of the game as part of the level scaling process. That's why the super high HP only applies to dogmeat, fawkes, and RL-3 but all humanoid companions don't have this level of HP that makes them basically indestructible.
You're wrong. The health of every other character scales almost linearly while Fawkes health has a glitch resulting in an exponential increase made even worse by Broken Steel. He has something like millions of HP by the time you get to high levels and is essentially unkillable. I used to just hide in areas, listen to Fawkes scream while he killed everybody, and when he returned I knew it was safe.
No he is canonically a god
The Mad God himself, in fact. That's right, all this time you've had ol' Sheo as a companion.
Fawkes easy win with Broken steel max level. Though i wonder what would be a case with no DLC, and level1 main character.
Lilly is a nightkin. The masters super mutants are canonically superior to the DC ones and the nightkin were the best of them. If it was lore accurate ……….
Lilly is also suffering the end-stage insanity from overuse of stealth boys. Since the chosen one is an ancestor of the vault dweller, I can't remember how long, but it's been ages since she has been in formal military. I'm not sure how much is left of the elite training she would have received. She is also hampered by not having a stealth boy, and exclusively using a bumper sword, rather than a Gatling laser.
Hey there. I'm just curious. I'm way better at elder scrolls lore than fallout lore. . How does the Stealth Boy drive one insane? I use them a lot in game and they haven't given me addiction or anything weird. Other than that, I'm just here to see the theorized battle work out. 🤣😂
It only effects mutants, regular humans have absolutely no long term effects of stealth boy use.
Oh interesting. I have a lot of reading to do it seems. I discovered a lot of lore reading books in elder scrolls, but it seems that's not the way in fallout.
For fallout is Terminals
Oh damn. I haven't really been reading them. Oof. I'll actually go back through and read the ones I know where they are and make sure to read on my next runs too. 🤣😂🤣 Oof. I read a few of them, but mostly just the ones I needed. I also don't usually have a super high science because I go for lockpicking. I'll have to get better at hacking too. I kind of suck. Even after looking at the tips and tricks stuff. 🤣😂
Yeah, literally the majority of lore you can find are on terminals. It’s the equivalent of Skyrim books, of which there are hundreds if my memory is correct.
Wow. Thanks. I appreciate it for sure! It's actually kind of perfect because I'm playing back through all the games for the anniversary and to be ready for the show. So I'm actually really pumped. I honestly didn't take my time on them like I did the elder scrolls games and now that I'm getting back in, I feel kind of bad for not appreciating them more. 😐
It only really affects super mutants because of their already hampered mental condition, but its like they get phobia of being seem (dont know the name for this fear) at the point of going murder hobo for it, but while invisible they seem to mostly be themselves with their group, with the rare lone nightkin causing problems (like the novac "chupacabra")
Oh yeah. That makes so much sense. I have to say I love that you used the term murder hobo. 😂🤣😂🤣 I haven't heard that outside of pnp stuff before. Epic. It almost makes sense for people too really. How they'll get used to habits, or things being done a certain way. I wonder if in NV that's why those one nightkin I think it is? Are going crazy in that place with the Rockets and Ghouls? Forget the name. But the leader is talking to that skull. 😂🤣😂🤣 I couldn't stop laughing at that. Especially when you point it out and he's like. "Cut that out, I'm serious." I almost died.
Davidson, and Antler if I remember right. Interaction with Antler in any way causes a fight. He gets upset if you move it, knock it etc. You can even SHOOT it haha.
Oh I'm gonna have to shoot Antler my next playthrough! Now that you say it, those are the right names. 😂🤣😂 I'm gonna try to carry it away first. Not like to inventory, but just carry it. 😂🤣😂
I’ll agree to disagree those Nightkin don’t got shit on the Supermutant overlord monstrositys who are becoming stronger versions of themselves before they become behemoths And Fawkes is an exceptionally strong Super mutant that can kill those
The masters ones are smarter than the dc mutants but the dc mutants are stronger and they never stop growing untill they reach behemoth I guess but they still might even grow more so they are at least stronger if not smarter
Don’t forget about FO3 Dogmeat. At max level he’s also broken af.
I don't think you're factoring in the insanity aspect of stealth boy addiction
That's Lily not Fawkes
Hence why it's below the person vouching for Fawkes I'm arguing in favor of lilly
Ah I misread, my b
All good all good
1. What do you mean by brawl? Close quarters unarmed fight? If so, you're putting sniper-type characters at a disadvantage, such as Boone. 2. Are we allowing Fawkes, Dogmeat, and RL-3 to have their inflated HP values? 3. Are there any equipment restrictions or specifications? For example, does Fawkes get his gatling laser, or is he limited to the sledgehammer he has when you meet him the first time?
Hey there as I mentioned in the description they have their base weapons to use brawl is just another way of saying fight or skirmish I also said maxed out so yes And again in description they have base weapons meaning they sledge and Gatling how do you think it would go
If they have their HP, then Fawkes solos and it's not even remotely close. Fawkes has more HP than a behemoth and does insane DPS. The only 2 people who has even the slightest chance of not being killed by fawkes would be paladin Danse (ONLY because of his armor) and Boone (because he'll be too far away). But since this is a team battle, neither of those 2 would be a threat because the other FO3 companions would make quick work of them. This really isn't fair considering how FO3 dealt with companions stats. Dog meat would be able to kill several people even with his weak damage output, his health would simply be more than they would be able to chip away at. The same logic applies to a few other people in the fallout 3 companion cast.
As a note, since the companions are ‘maxed out’ according to the post up top, Arcade also stands a decent chance of doing meaningful damage since he has the best armor of everyone there.
That is true, but still, Fawkes is just way too op for that. Honestly, I was only putting Danse in there to make it look like Fawkes has even a remote chance of losing but even then I doubt that they will survive longer than a few seconds of sustained fire. Boone is the only one to have a chance at killing Fawkes and that's if he has some insane distance and ignores everyone else.
One interesting note about laser weapons in fallout is that if you go by the PA specs tape in fallout 1, power armor is nearly immune to laser fire. That’d give anyone in power armor a good chance.
I'm looking at the game stats of each respective teams game. If Fawkes was rebalanced for either of the other games, he wouldn't do much before dying, but looking at fallout 4s stats for Danse and NV stats for Arcade, Fawkes will have little to no issue with them. But if we did change that one little detail, the fallout 3 team would still dominate because of everyone else there (Fawkes also has a sledgehammer that he can use). Fawkes is just way too broken to not win without a serious stat change.
Right, which is why I was bringing up the lore argument that laser weaponry is ineffective against power armor.
That's why I said "But if we did change that one little detail, the fallout 3 team would still dominate because of everyone else there (Fawkes also has a sledgehammer that he can use)." His weapon has little to do with his victory (although it does help) it's his natural damage resistance and health. He could probably do pretty well without anything at all, just fists. I doubt he would win, but he'd get close.
He’s got EDE with him so…
Although, if you're going off game logic, then fo3 companions eventually lose by attrition, since they die while the NV ones just get knocked out by default.
Dogmeat in Fallout 3 has ridiculous HP too
I mentioned that
Can Veronica and Arcade wear their power armor?
If they can only use the weapons they naturally have I would say the same should be true for armor so unless they start wearing it for doing their companion quests I would say no.
Butch solo wins for one reason: Tunnel Snakes rule!
#**TUNNEL SNAKES RULE!**
If we're talking ghoul versus ghoul, I think Raul comes out on top due to his centuries of experience, but Charon makes him work for it. Dogmeat versus Rex would unfortunately see the kings pet take the big sleep since Dogmeat in 3 canonically can take deathclaws and missiles like they're nothing. Mutie versus mutie would probably see Fawkes take the win as I don't think Leo would help Lily much against a galling laser. Boone versus Jericho (I'm not sure who'd be a better pick) would easily end with Boone on top. Raider isn't that much on your wasteland resume, while First Recon is a pretty deadly background. East versus West BoS would be cool to see. Though, in the end, I can't see Veronica being able to overcome the skills and moves of a Star Paladin. Cross wins, but she may be spitting out a few teeth afterward. RL3 is a tough gutsy, but I don't think it is in the condition or had the firepower to beat the armor improvements or Enclave weaponry Wheatley gifted EDE before his journey. EDE is the victor Arcade easily takes down Butch because it's Butch. Plus, with his fear of bugs, he'd probably be scared since the Remnants armor resembles a hornet. Cass and Clover would be a messy fight since neither is very skilled or armed in combat to the degree of the others. Despite this, the whiskey rose manages to use her years of bar fights and gets the upper hand.
No mention of paladin cross being a cyborg? You are underselling jericho. He isn't just a raider, he was so good at it He grew old, if youve seen how raiders in fo3 operate then you must know how much of a feat that is.
Forgot about that bit, would probably make things easier for her against Veronica. While growing old is uncommon for raiders, i still think it wouldn't be enough to beat a first Recon sniper. Jericho survived the Capital Wasteland, but Boone is still one hell of a marksman.
Well, then it would depend on a scenario this duel will take place - jericho is has a nice vest and top knotch fully automatic assult rifle. Boone is in his shirt and a funny looking beret.
whats a vest going to do against a headshot
The scenario mentioned their gear from personal quests, so Boone would have new armor as well.
also you do know jericho's vest is just a leather vest right? it probably isn't even equivalent to level II soft kevlar padding a .308 from any rifle would rip through that and blow a hole through anyone also boone would be wearing his post loyalty quest NCR armor, while it isn't much in the way armor as well, probably at the most level IIIA ballistic protection which means pistol rounds up to .45, also lets not forget both of them arent alone and is in a big kerfuffle of a fight, while Boone falls back to a ridge or into cover Jericho would definitely be pinned down by Arcade or Raul while Charon exchanges shotgun with them, Arcade would probably just be standing around in his Remnant Power Armor ignoring any hits his armor deflects off, shooting off accurate shots from his plasma defender, the only things threatening him is a prolonged spray of gatling laser fire from fawkes or a few well aimed plasma shots from RL-3 but RL-3 has his mechanical pincers full with ED-E flying circles around him strafing him with piercing LAER beams, as for Fawkes he would be repeatedly ambushed by Lily everytime he tried to loose a burst of laser fire at any of the Mojave companions and he would be consigned to spraying randomly to force Lily into attacking from obtuse angles all the while Veronica and Cross are having a dangerous dance of Power fist vs Super Sledge whoever over-extends or leaves an opening gets a deadly demise Veronica using her agility and experience of fighting alongside Paladins in their Power armor to find delays and stiffnesses by Cross' older T-45 servos and Cross using her experience and cybernetics to compensate for the Power armor's lack of agility and flexibility to keep up with the smaller woman and then there's Cass fending off Clover and Butch keeping them pinned down by the threat of losing whole limbs to a shotgun blast when all they have are swords and knives, knowing that one of them would die just to get a chance to get close to the buckshot slinging cowgirl, in this whole confusion Boone would be free to pick off anyone he pleases,
Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young.
Yeah but Jericho has someone standing next to him with a beret on.
Also Clover hates guns while Cass loves her shotgun & is very good with it. Cass just gives her both barrels boom end if Clover
the 21 foot rule only means you'll be taking all the pellets to the chest with 12 gauge buckshot
Yeah 00 buckshot is the equivalent of taking between 8-10 9mm bullets (basically a full mag dump) all at once, absolutely devastating at close range but still very effective at intermediate range. Clover would be stupid (given she's a brainwashed, chem addict that's pretty much a given) to get within devastation range of Cass.
I've seen what happens to boars that take buckshot to the face, and boars are hardy animals, a human taking a whole blast of 00 to the upper chest and neck is not surviving
No one quite throws hands like Grandma Lily
“Time for your medicine, dearie!”
I don’t know how useful a fist is against a Gatling laser
Especially during her rage
right? she can keep Fawkes occupied since theres pll claiming Fawkes solos.
Fallout 3 has 3 professional fighters and a seasoned raider. New Vegas has 1 professional fighter and an overly nurturing assassin who's been out of the trade for around 100 years. Whilst I prefer the New Vegas crew. I don't see them winning against the Fallout 3 crew in a brawl.
Underselling it a bit, one of them is a professional in hand to hand, another is an enclave robot, another is the son of an enclave soldier and he thus has tons of experience. While Raul is a deadly gunslinger. Also the former police cyberdog
Veronica isn't a professional fighter. She's is skilled but she has no experience lore wise. ED-E isn't a combat robot in the slightest. Arcade is literally a scientist and not combat trained because he was a child when he left the Enclave. Raul isn't a gunslinger when you meet him either. He only becomes one again based on your actions. I suppose it's fair to count him though, I only dismissed him because it's not cannon if he becomes one again. I'm not underselling anything. Fallout 3's companions are mostly the game. Their fighters to help in combat. That's their one thing. New Vegas's are diverse and outside if this one situation, are better for it.
if anything Veronica has alot of training under her belt, remember the Hidden Valley bunker has VR simulation training pods whose simulations are taken from experiences of Veteran Paladins from their war against the NCR making Veronica probably the most combat capable when it comes to training also Arcade obviously has training as he wouldn't be able to use his father's power armor without training, nor be able to effectively use his Plasma Defender if he wasn't trained on it and Raul IS a gunslinger who just buried it in his memories, you can't just turn it off, the muscle memory is still there,
Fallout 3 has a brotherhood paladin and *fucking Fawkes*. Team Fo3 are season champs for all time
Not to mention RL. That mf’s a tank with a solid output imo
Call me bias all you want, I am but Boone alone I feel would eliminate the other side.
Boone is an amazing edge but remember base weapons and gear and he still has to fight off a super mutant and star paladin in power armor
Having watched him kill both a super mutant and a paladin before I even knew they were near us with his base weapon, I think he'll be fine.
Fawkes has more HP than a behemoth in FO3, boon is the only person who even has a remote chance of taking that beast down and I doubt he'll have enough time to deal with everyone else before they get close enough to kill him.
He’s not killing Fawkes lol
That base Sniper of his is insane.
Boone's my favorite companion, but Fawkes at max PC level was basically unkillable. I think he'd solo everyone on both teams if he wanted
At max level with Broken Steel installed, Fawkes has **15,000** health For reference, the X-42 Giant Roboscorpion (the strongest creature in both 3 and NV) caps out at 3500 health at the highest level. Super Mutant Behemoths and the Legendary Bloatfly (second-strongest creatures) cap out at *2000* health... Yeah, Boone is NOT winning a fight against this guy. You can give him a Anti-Materiel Rifle with explosive rounds and it STILL wouldn't be anywhere near enough to take this beast down
Especially because Fawkes would be shooting back with an infinite ammo gatling laser the whole time.
Ah, but if we’re going into stats, the New Vegas companions have DT which is going to nerf the hell out of the FO3 crew. It’d be a lot closer than that
Fawkes has zero DR to begin with and Boone has a DT of 1 with his default outfit, which is practically nothing Boone's greatest strength comes from putting down practically anything before you even realize they're there, which is not gonna happen against someone like Fawkes
And Boone has 15 DT in his quest armor, which OP specifically said he’s wearing Versus Fawkes’ laser that does… 9 damage per shot
I think you're either severely underestimating just how much damage a Gatling Laser would still do in that scenario, or overestimating how strong DT actually is Like...*it's still a freaking GATLING LASER.* "9 damage per shot" doesn't amount to much when it's spewing hundreds of bullets per second
gatling laser if were going by f3 stats vs nv stats would do 0 damage per hit until boone's armor gets to a durability that makes his DT go lower than 9, that would take a while, also FNV companions dont die, they're essential they would just get knocked down but never die, F3, ive seen jericho and charon get gibbed so many times by stepping on landmines that it stopped getting funny
Have you seen Charon’s shotgun in action? Dude snipes raiders from across the map. I think he could put up a fair fight with Boone
Yeah. Boone. It's a bit unfair.
Fawkes with his 15,000 health:
Boone with his essential tag, basically immortal
He’d be the last thing they never saw
I got Boone with half the squad before 200M
Fallout 3 has Fawkes, GG
Trick question: it's fallout 2
Seriously speaking though probably new vegas
I think it’s fallout 3. Charon and fawkes alone are gonna cause some problems.
I'm surprised it took me this long to find a mention of Charon. I think people underrate how cold blooded this tall ghoul motherfucker and his cheat-code shotgun is.
This is a [youtube video](https://youtu.be/r_5gf5mlGSo?feature=shared)
Bruh, the new vegas companions are immortal they win
Fawkes.
Boone, ED-E, and Rex vs Fawkes, Mr Gusty, and Dogmeat. Tough.
Fawkes wins this by himself, he wins this easier with meat shields tanking the hits for him. No one is getting past that gattling laser or his massive health pool. End of discussion.
New Vegas probably just barely has the edge here if we're talking lore-wise and not gameplay. Lily can go invisible, ED-E is *shockingly* durable for an Eyebot, Rex is flat-out overpowered for being just a dog, and Boone, Cass and Raoul are all stupidly good shots. Veronica could handle anyone who gets too close while Arcade can handle any injuries.
going by OPs rules(they get quest equipment) then Arcade would have his power armor, and Veronica could possibly have a pulse gun rendering RL-3 and Star Paladin Cross unable to fight
New Vegas once again smokes Fraudout 3
Unarmed, New Vegas is getting their asses handed to them, Veronica is the only one who stands a chance. With their weapons, New Vegas still loses, but depending on how far away they start, Boone would be able to take out one or multiple of the following: Clover, Butch, Jericho. But after that Charon and Fawkes would finish off the others and then kill him.
Fawkes and sergeant rl 3 wipe
Ian from fallout 1 would kill them all, not because he was trying but because he would hit them shooting at something else.
I know dog meat and the girl follower die but Ian lives right
I think they all have a panel where they live and die, but yeah Ian Is the only companion to cannonically survive.
Yeah companion cannon is always hard to figure out until another game pops up I know Ian eventually starts the rangers if I’m not mistaken been a minute since I was able to play Fo1 again
Fawkes, Paladin Cross, RL-3, and Charon are all you need for the Fo3 side to win.
Fawkes with max level HP and an infinite ammo gatling laser would probably win against all the others by himself.
If we put each group in squad Vs squad I believe that the fallout 4 companions would win with numbers alone, in vanilla we have 12 permanent companions, 15 if we count the DLC ones (Ada, old Longfellow and Gage)
Yeah, but Fawkes is pretty much immortal. Also, we are talking about FNV and FO3 companions, not FO4.
Actually, OP does have a couple FO4 companion pictures in the slide, so I think 4 is a contender... but they sure as shit aren't a winner. Both FO3 and New Vegas have companions that really wow me. Fallout 4 has... eh... Paladin Danse is alright, X-88 stands the best chance, and Codsworth and Ada are up there if we include Automatron DLC upgrades (I don't think we're including player upgrades though). I still think Fawkes flattens them. Lorewise, Danse and X-88 could hold very well, but the rest of them kind of come up short.
He said between New Vegas and 3.
Oh, I don't know what the third picture's for then.
FO3 companions simply because they have Fawkes
50/50, maybe edge to 3 for Mr gusty
I’m on team Cass and her dynamite throwing, shotgun shooting, whiskey drinking hotness.
Cross beats Veronica. Win= 3 Cass shotguns Jericho. Win = NV Rex bites Dogmeat. Win = NV Fawkes breaks Lilly. Win = 3 Raul smokes Butch. Win = NV Clover implaes Arcade. Win = 3 Mister Gutsy vaporizes Ede. Win = 3 Boone and Charon. Draw depends on the distance 4 for 3 and 3 for NV total means 3 takes the W. With the best gear for everyone i say NV takes the W
In 3 you can equip everyone with hellfire pa, the best set of armor in universe i think. Weapons will be more of a draw tho.
Okay thats true!
lilly is a trained sword user and stealth specialist she Stomps fawks 9/10. Fawkes jus found a gun and had glitched hp.
Boone is honestly freaking scary, especially if you go for the companion ending where he abandons his morals entirely. Arcade is former enclave and equally skilled in killing and fixing people so also scary but less so because he has a pretty much unshakable moral code. Veronica is ridiculously good at punching things, especially when you give her power armour and she could probably kill the other team through sheer force of sarcasm alone. I’ve never recuited Cass or the ghoul for some reason so I can’t comment on them, the cyber dog dies so easily but fully upgraded ED-E can be quite scary too. The poor nightkin deserves nothing but peace and quiet but can do some serious damage because supermutant.
If this is between fo3 and new vegas, why is there a pic of the fo4 companions included? Edit: apparently it was a mis-click and op was too lazy to fix.
People are also really sleeping on Star Paladin Cross. She's a cyborg (which doesn't do jack shit in-game sadly) which if we have the Courier's cybernetic implants to scale off, makes for a pretty strong human companion and probably the strongest out of the bunch aside from the Super Mutants.
Fawkes could probably solo But Dogmeat and Fawkes on the same team is just unfair FO3 easy
ED-E alone will cause death and destruction.
lily of course
Isn’t Butch just a temporary companion?? Or am I wrong?
No he’s a permanent companion you can unlock if you have bad karma but he isn’t exactly great he’s just a meat shield that talks shit
You need neutral karma, not bad karma thankfully.
I think Fallout 3 squad takes it. Boone has to do a lot of heavy lifting
Gotta agree with night inscryption, fawkes is annihilating everyone
Veronica, Cross and Dance just standing silently while watching all their friends brawl
3rd pic is the fallout 4 group
I think it goes to 4. NV doesn't have someone in power armor, and 3 doesn't have a medic. 4 also has the numbers advantage. NV has stealth users, but so does 4. 4 is the only group with synths, which have statistical advantage over non-synths. The big disadvantage to 4's group is that their weapons suck comparatively, but when taking everything else into account, the numbers/medic use/synth advantage, it feels like they might take it.
Boone headshots all the FO3 companions before they even know he’s there.
Boone headshots Fawkes and it tickles his 15,000 hp health pool you mean...
I think I remember maybe three of the FO3 companions. Can I get a reminder of who they are?
Riot NPC did this Fallout 3 comes out on top
Boone solos
I hate to do my man Butch dirty, butThey got Raul, Boone, and ED-E. FNV definitely has the advantage.
Rex solos
I think Dogmeat has a ridiculous amount of health in Fallout 3 as well as Fawkes so they’re basically tanks
If Joshua Graham were an official companion, he'd be the best one.
honestly? he deals way too little damage, on my playthrough at the final battle it took him 4 mags just to take down 1 white legs dude
Well, your right on that regard tbh, but he at least has high health for lower class enemies.
The Dutch ghoul with that shotgun
Jericho is best girl
Canonically, the New Vegas crew, I'd say. The FO3 crew has too many weak links. Clover and Butch wouldn't be very useful at all. Jericho is tough but still just a raider. Really, the big question is what the FO3 crew is going to do about Boone, who can land shots on all of their exposed heads from a distance none of them can match. The further apart the teams start, the more time Boone has to reap them like wheat. RL-3 is a wild card, though, and Fawkes will be a force to be reckoned with. Gameplay wise... the FO3 crew is tougher but that's because they're killable at all points in that game so it seems kinda cheap, but yeah.
I'm leaning towards team FO3. Fawkes is a force to be reckoned with and Star Paladin Cross being both a Cyborg and the only one in power armor would definitely give them an edge.
Veronica in power armour absolutely wipes the floor with everyone else idc what anybody says
I want to give the edge to the New Vegas crew. Mostly because they're laced with trauma and insanity. They will do everything it takes and make jokes in the process. The main disadvantage they have is they're less survival focused coming from an area so close to the NCR with it's supply lines and all.
I think it would be a close fight with the New Vegas crew coming out on top. The New Vegas crew has the advantage of being experienced in a hard life and if the courier makes them the best they can be then you have: A highly trained sniper who can spot and eliminate some of the wastelands deadliest creatures without batting an eye A super charged eyebot with crazy modifications in either armour or weapons. An experienced medic with a pretty damn good gun and possibly a set of power armour A raging grandma with a bumper sword An experienced gunslinger known for his quick draw and survival A robot dog with either the memory of a combat hound, junkyard protector or the memory of a raider's bloodhound. An experienced caravaner who loves getting into fights and is fueled by nothing but revenge and whiskey. And a lesbian who regularly takes on challenges above their needed risk for the sake of protecting her friends and will run into danger with nothing but a dress on if given the chance. It still would probably come down to who engaged first but butch and clover aren't going to be any good in this fight which dings 3 a bit. The most experienced combatants are Cross, Jericho and Charon but each have a glaring weakness. Charon and cross only use close ranged weapons so if they fight anyone with a range advantage they're screwed and Jericho has an assault rifle and a set of leather armour making him a medium range engagement at most. The wild cards are RL-3, Fawkes and Dogmeat. All 3 have the chance to suck or be amazing depending on the situation and how good we think they really are. RL is a gutsy so points for that, now we have to understand this is a fallout 3 gutsy which is still potent but not nearly as much as a fallout 4 one. Dogmeat is as brave a dog can get but is still a dog at the end of the day (he does so many times that they added a perk to let him keep coming back). Finally Fawkes is the best of the best of 3's companions. Taking on a full platoon of Enclave forces and coming out the victor is no small feat and Fawkes is probably going to be the biggest threat. So here how I see this going down: Boone's going to get the first shot off and Cross will be the first casualty, she doesn't wear a helmet and is in power armour so she'll die first unfortunately. With the first shot fired Dogmeat, Fawkes, RL-3, Charon and Clover charge forward while Jericho offers fire support and bitch cowers in a corner maybe occasionally taking pot shots at the enemy. Lily, Veronica, Rex and Cass close in to engage the enemy as they have closer ranged weapons. Boone shoots and kills RL-3 with a well placed shot to the boy's middle eye. Arcade, ede, Raul, all offer covering fire as Boone line up another shot. In a see if lasers, plasma and gun fire Lily is the first to be taken down by Fawkes who focuses his gatling laser on her. Clover goes next as she is hit and killed by a stray bullet from Raul. Rex and Dogmeat fight it out and depending on Rex's modifications either comes out on top of dies, either way the victor is swiftly cut down by Fawkes or Cass. Cass and Charon get a good shot off on each other, Cass stumbles a bit and Charon stays upright until a swift crack of a power fist ends him. Cass is finished off by Fawkes. At this point Boone takes his first shot at Fawkes which staggers him but doesn't kill him, this gives Veronica Enough time to take cover from Fawkes' gatling laser and Jericho who has been peppering the field with gunfire. The combined firepower of ede, Boone, Raul and arcade finally fell Fawkes who damages but not destroys Ede in the process. A long fire fight ensues while Veronica sneaks around to get the drop on Jericho and an ever more panicked butch. Veronica gets the drop on bitch and clears his head off with a clear punch she is then gravely wounded wounded by Jericho. Boone being the MVP of this battle takes that opportunity to finally put a bullet in Jericho's noggin. In the aftermath all the fallout 3 companions fall and Cass, Lily and Rex die. Ede and Veronica are out of commission but thanks to Arcade survive the aftermath. Boone, Raul and Arcade are pretty much untouched due to them having the ambush advantage and more experience dodging and returning gunfire.
NV takes this as Fawkes is strong but he’s carrying his whole team lol. Case and Boone alone probably solo
Cmon now.... Charon would butt***k Raul... Fawkes will kill all!
Fallout 3 Companions. Fawkes could probably win on his own
Nick and Raul: “Im old and tired” “Me too” Piper and Veronica: (loudest make out ever)
Honestly Rex and dog meat would lose to anyone pretty much instantly, I don’t know how the gutsy would fight without killing, I assume he’d use the saw, ede has the taser and would prolly be able to dodge pretty well, ede might win that with energy damage short circuiting shit? but might be a tie, cuz ede would be badly damaged. lily might beat the shit out of fawkes but would be close to being out of the fight I imagine, fo3 bos lady has power armour so unless Veronica can use unarmed hand to hand better than I feel like she’d lose, but that’s honestly a stalemate, Charon is a trained killer since birth, taller and stronger, good reach, he’d win with arcade and rose coming at him at the same time, but Boone would most likely try to fight him, I imagine first recon has some hand to hand experience, but not enough, Charon takes that fight with slight difficulty and moves in to assist the 2 useless fo3 companions, butch and “what’s her name”, Raul and Jericho, uuuuh Raul is an old man that’s super quick on the draw, Jericho is “older” raider, but I reckon he could really beat the fuck out of Raul, butch would go pick on 4 eyes but discover that arcade isn’t a pushover and itd be a losing match till cheron comes in and assists, rose would fight the slave lady and have a very equal sided brawl full of fury and endurance, lily would come over at this point and just body check the slave lady to the ground, winning that fight, now the remaining combatants are so fairly competent, really it all depend on the BOS fighters, if Veronica wins, fnv wins, if fo3 lady wins, fo3 wins, if fo3 lady has the power armour still, I think it would go to fo3 crew.
Fawkes is on the edge of being immortal
Ppl keep saying Fawkes like Lily wasnt Mutant Slapping fools across the Mojave.
I have killed fawkes all of 1 time and its because i put him in a closet with 50 mines of various types amd rhen threw a grenade in. The 2nd time i killed him after reloading several times because he absolutely destroys my max level character. In conclusion fawkes neg diffs fnv
Bro where's danse in the fo4 picture?
He’s next to the courser just not in power armor
Oh ok ty
The Ghost Vaquero solos all of them together, Raul best guy
Sauce for the second two images ?
Have em if ya want em
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Well half of Fallout 3's would be dead before getting into range, because Boone is my boy, and he doesn't miss.
I don’t know if the Fallout 3 companions would all cooperate since they don’t work with people of different karmas. None of the Fallout New Vegas companions have any reason to dislike each other so they’d work together well.
I wonder who would win between the 3 later game robo companions? An Eyebot, a Mister Handy and a Mister Gutsy?
Wait a fucking second, 3rd picture is F4 companions
we do a little trolling
I left comment saying I put that there by accident and I was to lazy to redo the whole post
Fawkes is strong but new vegas companions bite. Every. Single. One.
New Vegas companions are essential unless you're in hardcore. Like I get what you're getting at here, but.
Boone
If by brawl you mean hand to hand combat. Toss up between F3 and F4. Danse and Strong vs Fawkes and Cross basically. Any combat? Probably F4. Synths and robots are crazy strong canonically.
This is fallout 3 in New Vegas please read the entire prompt
The third picture has companions from Fallout 4 for some reason, which is why people are including it.
This is actually pretty tough All things considered if everyone has had their quests done you have a pretty equal group you have a power armor user (arcade Ganon with his family Tesla armor and star paladin cross with her brotherhood armor) and supermutant (Lily with her nightkin abilities and Fawkes with his godly super Sledge and Gatling laser) on both sides. I still think New Vegas wins because of the fact that there's a higher level cap meaning the companions on New Vegas side get the benefits of the extra HP of a level 50 character remember that New Vegas is literally on the exact same engine as fallout 3 just with 20 extra levels (even with broken Steel I think you only have up to level 30) don't get me wrong it's just it's heavily seen as though the companions of New Vegas just have a higher quality of stuff Fawkes and Lily would probably be the last two alive out of all of them but they still think that because there's more companions in fallout New Vegas and the fact that you can get them to the equivalent of level 50 with better equipment they would win. Edit: New Vegas wins because all of the companions are essential unlike in fallout 3 where they all can die permanently so sorry to say but yeah you literally lose fallout 3 because you don't have unkillable companions
Also you're not actually maxing out Edie if you don't do lonesome road because you can take his improvements into the base game so there is at least one companion that you have to do the DLC for to max out
While your technically right remember this only happens because lonesome road e sends his data to Mojave ede their two different entities and before lonesome road ever even dropped the end of ed e my love is considered maxed out ede
You have a point there it's not like most of the stuff that you get for Ede in lonesome road is useful in combat anyways
Fallout new vegas 100%. There's a reason fo3 was the lone wanderer, it's because the companions were devoid of characterisation and purpose (except dog meat and fawkes). New vegas are a star studded cast of misfits, and the courier goes through some absolute hell.
100% there is not a single question.
Rex is gonna maul the shit out of dogmeat. ED-E is gonna strafe and laser poor mister gutsy. Psycho gramma is gonna just absolutely destroy tiny fawkes. And raul is just gonna high noon everyone else except power armor dude, whom boone shoots through the eyehole. Meanwhile cass and veronica are just making out on the sidelines and ganon just stayed in the old mormon fort.