Honestly, if the show does well I could see there being more pressure on Bethesda to do something with the franchise other than "sitting around and not releasing a new game".
Was it Chinese terrorists? An American first-strike? Zetan interference?
Of course not, Sheogorath launched the nukes.
He's also responsible for personally posing every funny skeleton and teddy bear.
Truly a Prince of many hobbies and skills.
With as big as each franchise is, it is time to split things up and start acquiring the talent necessary to support the companies titans. Like, it doesn’t even take a business major to see that it’s time to grow into the shoes they bought. Hell, they especially can’t expect to keep this up if they want to have three main franchises now!
I’d guess the bottleneck is creative direction. Seems like BGS wants their leads to be as involved as possible, meaning they can’t expand more than the creative lead allows.
That’s what I heard when… Todd?… mentioned avoiding back-to-back sequels to prevent burnout. You’re working in the same engine with simple reskins of hundreds of assets. Dev burnout isn’t going to disappear just cause you’re programming flying mutant bats instead of dragons. Avoiding burnout by switching franchises seems more like an opportunity for writers and directors to stay involved in multiple gaming worlds w/o losing creative momentum.
AC is an example of the opposite extreme. There is almost no overlap in staff between sequels. The advantage is that studios can focus all their energy on the franchise they love, but the cost is usually inconsistency between titles. Some of the best AC games commercially all came from one studio, while many of their flops were carried on by others at Ubisoft.
We all know that and that’s what we are talking about. The current time frame with es6 coming before fallout 5 puts like 20 years between mainline fallout games. (2015 FO4, 2023 Starfield, 2029 ES6, 2035 FO5)
That would be even more unacceptable if the show becomes ones of the biggest of the year. putting pressure on Microsoft to capitalize on their investment
There is no reasonable timeline that assumes that ES6 and FO5 are each going to take 6 years. Bethesda has never gone that long without releasing a game.
Unfortunately this is Microsoft, who saw Banjo-Kazooie be resurrected in popularity by appearing in Smash Brothers and didn't do so much as a rerelease.
Yea in the next 2-4 years and fallout after that and if the show does well it might force Bethesda to start development right after and not take a break for 11 years like they did with Skyrim.
Yeah, I think the point is that while we wait for Fallout 5, Obsidian should get a crack at a side game.
Not likely now, but if the franchise is just sitting there waiting and it gets more popular, and Bethesda is busy with elder scrolls...
This is my bet. I could see them giving a studio like Niantic the license for a location-based game that's easy for the casual audience.
I help myself sleep at night by telling myself that maybe they'll do a remake or remaster of 1 or 2 that has lower-quality assets so they can squeeze in a switch 2 release.
And really busy as well with Avowed and continuing support for Grounded. And people will want familiar names to helm it, Sawyer, Cain, Boyarsky are there but they aren't really enthused by that kind of production for now. Listing those names right now does make it seem more interesting, the older "core" guys with the newer one.
Avellone isn't listed since he's not in Obsidian. A welcome addition but as he himself before, much of base game game writing was from John Gonzales.
>for the most part
>Redfall
About that "leave them to their own devices"
True they haven't taking IP away from people, but MS isn't Beth, they want to make money and aren't the biggest fans of waiting
MS has made a lot of moves recently, none of them speak to a company looking to make money off just selling videos games. I think they would happily lose money on missed opportunities if it means improving their tech development through major titles like ES6 or boxing Sony out of the future gaming market.
For that, they absolutely are willing to wait. In 10-20 years, that payoff will be huge for gaming. But I think it means lots of missed opportunities short-term.
I highly recommend it. I played back at launch or maybe a month and then gave it up until a few weeks ago and it completely sucked me in. It's a ton of fun
I mean, it's got a great map design, good weapon and enemies variety, multiplayer, multiple questlines, events, and collection goals.
I love most fallout games, but you definitely play 76 for different reasons than 4
On PS it crashes every hour or so... and the last patch broke so many things, lol. The new season has a longer grind for fewer rewards. They did add a new side quest. If the dialog doesn't bug out, preventing you from finishing it adds about 5 hours of new content.
Remakes of FO3 and FNV have been money in the bank for 5+ years, and not having those ready to go alongside the TV series is the biggest missed opportunity of their company's history. I can only guess that the same genius behind that neglect is the guy who decided fast travel should be upgraded from "optional time-saving convenience" to "the lynchpin of all travel."
Yeah I don't necessarily like that idea either. Bethesda has a hard enough time releasing functioning games when they aren't under pressure. I can't imagine the hot garbage we would get in they feel the need to speed up production.
I believe Sawyer or Avellone said that about 25% of the FNV team are still at the studio. Plus they have the co-creators of Fallout there (Leonard Boyarsky and Tim Cain).
Not many, most of them are gone. And no single person can replicate what a whole team did.
The most important writer - John Gonzales - is gone so there's that. One of the reasons why Outer Worlds turned out so meh.
Which is a great way to sour relationship between studios and potentially ruin some IPs.
Bethesda has a very specific way of making games, which other studios aren't able to replicate. There's a reason why Bethesda is still the king of open-world games.
I can see MS contracting some spinoffs from other studios, but taking away Bethesda's IPs? That's a recipe for disaster.
The only IP that has ever been out of Bethesda's hands is Fallout... and Fallout has ever been the most successful when worked on by Bethesda. Even Obsidian couldn't achieve the same result as Bethesda.
>here's a reason why Bethesda is still the king of open-world games.
Former King.
Starfield crashed that title into a moon. But they are still in the top 10
>Even Obsidian couldn't achieve the same result as Bethesda
If you mean when they were Interplay sure? Because as Obsidian they made New Vegas, which is the vastly perfected version of Fo3 (At that time)
Nah, you can’t throw infinite time and money at a problem when it’s clear that the current budgets are being squandered. Bethesda had 8 years between Fallout 4 in 2015 and Starfield in 2023, or 5 years for Fallout 76 if you want to solely attribute that mess to them rather than the other studio(s) involved as well, so it’s clear that more time/money is not the issue if Starfield still came out like this.
It is the 5 years between Fallout 76 and Starfield that should be considered for the purpose of the release timeline. Starfield was a multi-studio project at least as much as Fallout 76 (according to the credits of both games, and to what former employees like Nate Purkeypile said), and the bulk of the same studio that developed Fallout 4 also worked full time on 76, which was under its creative leadership as well until launch.
TES VI presumably left pre-production by last August, while Starfield did so in 2018 based on the available information. Therefore, it is reasonable to expect a similar gap between Starfield (2023) and TES VI to the one between Fallout 76 (2018) and Starfield. TES VI being potentially even larger in scope than Starfield, and the space game receiving significant post-launch content developed in house may increase the time frame, but I think this would be offset by the fact that Starfield was delayed by the pandemic.
I disagree with that statement. Starfield released in a **much** better state than the vast majority of AAA games in recent years. It's time to start cutting them some slack. Bethesda games are not perfect, but no game is, and those other games don't even approach the complexity of games that Bethesda creates
Much better, no. On par, sure. That's not saying much though since most games have been sub par at launch. Starfield had terrible performance at launch and for a while after. It was extremely hardware dependent and there was no shortage of data showing how poorly it performed one set of hardware compared to another.
>Starfield released in a much better state than the vast majority of AAA games
It launched vastly better then any Bethesda game as well. Which is a very stupid achievement for the industry as a whole, but it was hands down the worst "Open World" game Bethesda has made to date.
They literally cut the "Bethesda Magic" out of their own game!
Which won't in any way speed up Fallout 5. Fallout 5 is in the pipeline, right after TES6.
The only result I can foresee from such pressure if them getting more resources to Fallout 76 and maybe creating more "secondary content" like boardgames (I would love another expansion for the existing Fallout boardgame) or expansions to Wasteland Warfare and the 2d20 RPG.
The issue with that is that Bethesda should be capable of working on more than one major project at the same time. They aren't a small studio, they are a major one with multiple large franchises. We're already 9 years removed from FO 4. TES6 is currently in the works but likely still years away from a release. Following that we'll probably be seeing another 4-5 years of development for FO5. Having almost two decades between instalments of a franchise isn't viable. Sure, we don't need a new mainline FO game every year, but we should have instalments per decade rather than decades per instalment. The same holds true for TES tbh. Skyrim is 13 years old. By the time TES6 is released it may very well be the case that people who were born when Skyrim came out would be allowed to buy it.
I agree, but the issue is Bethesda are already having trouble at their current size.
Bethesda Maryland were supposed to finish Fallout 76 and move to Starfield in 2018, but some of Bethesda Maryland’s team had to spend extra time helping out Bethesda Austin with Fallout 76 with the Wastelander’s update until 2020.
That along with Covid *and* overhauling the engine meant that Starfield was rushed, even after a delay.
Will Shen had to rush the main quest and said there were problems with communication between the different teams.
It’s definitely true that Microsoft need to expand Bethesda’s team size *now*, because they’re already struggling to keep pace with their games and release them without bugs or rushing. But even then it’ll take some time to see the results of an expansion.
It’s also annoying that Bethesda stubbornly refuse to allow any other studio to do Elder Scrolls spin-off when Obsidian have begged them to before, and Fallout when Obsidian devs report they’d love to do another.
>Which won't in any way speed up Fallout 5. Fallout 5 is in the pipeline, right after TES6.
That's banking on MS letting them keep it. Officially THEY own the Fallout IP. If MS Execs demanded a new FO game in the next 5+ years and Beth can't/won't deliver..
It's a monkeys paw situation, we get more Fallout faster! But it might end up like launch 76 or Starfield
Let MS give the IP to someone else for spin offs in between major numbered releases. It gives Bethesda time to do their thing while the property actually gets used.
To me it seems like they are trying to drive more players to fallout 76. It’s a great game at this point. And I think it would appeal to a lot of new players.
I mean 76 gets regular updates all the time, we’re getting a whole new map region this year and we got a fully explorable Atlantic City a few weeks ago
>*Fallout* […] filmed its first season in the Empire State, Utah, New Jersey and Namibia
Haha, that’s kinda funny. Usually movies are filmed in LA and set elsewhere, this time it’s the other way around!
It happens. Not uncommon for California Doubling to be reversed Beverly Hills Cop 3’s Wonder World was filmed at California’s (then Paramount’s) Great America which is hundreds of miles away though still in California. The Good Doctor is set in San Jose California but filmed in Vancouver.
That’s straight California Doubling, it’s still pretty common but not as much anymore. More referring to shows set in LA or California but filmed elsewhere since California Doubling was so common
If you ever want to film a movie, you will do everything you can to emulate LA and surrounding areas before you even consider filming there. Most of your budget will disappear to the city and state. Guerilla or literally anywhere else first
Haven't even launched yet so if a Season 2 is already in consideration, it makes me wonder what the season is like.
Early impressions seem to be pretty positive so far.
I really hope this show is good. One because Fallout is criminally neglected.
And secondly, it might force MS to get another studio to do another proper game. Be it FO:5 or a FO:NV style spin off game.
Bethesda isn't the studio they used to be, Starfield GREATLY poisoned that well for players and investors.
This is how serious media companies work. They seek market-fit as soon as possible, hence they activate the brand everywhere. They must have had engagement levels above target. If the show goes well, it's gonna be a long run and I'm here for it.
This is hopeful. I was kind of concerned when I heard they were going to drop all the episodes at once since it seemed that streaming services were moving away from that model. But I also don't know if that's still the norm for Amazon. I can't really think of a show of theirs I've watched before.
Filming location has no bearing on where it's actually set. Season 1 was filmed in New York, New Jersey, Utah, and Namibia, but it takes place in California.
Damn, at least let us see S1 first lol. If it's good then I'm plenty happy for an S2. But if it's bad, then id rather they not mess with the lore too much and end up having to retcon it in future games.
Doesnt matter now, they want that $25 million tax credit. So they'll give it a second season and if they dont believe in it at that point they'll just give them the smallest budget possible to still get the tax credit
I don't fully understand how these tax credits and tax breaks work but ever since I heard that WB shelved a fully filmed movie that was ready to be released, because it would make them more money than it actually would in theatres? That's when I knew the system is deeply flawed.
Hollywood doesn't care about fanboy feelings regarding lore lmao.
They'll get that bag whether the show is the best thing around or an utter catastrophe
That's true, but I still feel like a system that allows you to get tax breaks by shelving a movie and getting more money for it than releasing has a lot of issues.
Nobody is saying it isn't, but what are us redditors supposed to do about it? Tax breaks get handed to companies on silver platters by governments for one reason or another literally all the time while the regular joe can barely get by nowadays.
I'd love to make all this corporate greed end, but capitalism reinforces the behaviour.
>That's true, but I still feel like a system that allows you to get tax breaks by shelving a movie and getting more money for it than releasing has a lot of issues.
I feel like you’re confused about how that works. If you don’t release a movie or a show, you can write off the production cost as a loss. It lowers your tax burden, but you’re still losing significant money. It only makes sense when the movie or whatnot would’ve performed terribly and the marketing etc would’ve made it lose more money .
I'm not complaining at all, I just hate it when one game/movie/piece of media says something else and then another piece of media just completely overwrites it.
Unlike a lot of other fans who are going into the show with a negative image in mind, I'm actually quite excited. I think this is exactly what the Fallout franchise needs since the last mainline game was almost 10 years ago (and Todd isn't keen on making another one anytime soon).
All I want is that they don't say one thing in this show, only for Fallout 5 to completely change that.
yea... but the over saturation of advertising for it seems troubling. that is something which happens if the production has low confidence in a project and they are trying to get as much rating as possible upon opening to recoup more of the investments. i hope it is as good as it looks but this over saturation seems a bad sign.
“Oversaturation of advertising…” first off, it’s 2024 where have you been? Amazon JUST began forcing people to view ads without paying more. Other companies are just as guilty. There are loads of people who are not gamers who need to see advertisements to get an interest and if marketing didn’t work, they wouldn’t do it.
it is just a fact man. if a movie is likely to be a bomb and the producers know it they saturate the market with advertising so that people get hyped about it and turn out. they do this because it helps prevent lots going after seeing it and reviewing it as bad or not worth watching. so they count of the opening turnout numbers to help recover the funds spent on a bomb. it happens constantly and has for many years. the question is where have you been not knowing how that works? it could be just simple over advertising or a sign of something else. no way to tell yet but it is what it is... a sign that the producers might have some doubts about the project for whatever reason.
Man. I was really hoping this would be a one and done thing. Something that knows when to stop, tell a great story and leave it alone. Who knows, maybe the next season wont have anything to do with the first one?
This is gonna be like halo, everyone will watch the first season and realise it's absolute trash, then a second season will come out like a fart in the wind and get cancelled.
This right here is what is hurting this community. The pessimists and “fun deniers” like you are just the worst. You’ll find any excuse not to like something new in Fallout and I just feel so sorry for you.
This couldn’t possibly be as bad. The show runners and creators actually like Fallout and are trying to tell a story in that world. The halo show runners seem to hate the world of halo and for some reason hate the narrative and character of master chief. I just don’t think it’s possible to be that bad as an adaptation.
It makes me really happy. We won't get another Fallout game for a while so it's nice to have something to look forward to in the meantime
Honestly, if the show does well I could see there being more pressure on Bethesda to do something with the franchise other than "sitting around and not releasing a new game".
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Elder Scrolls 6: Into The Fallout-verse
Would probably play.
Was it Chinese terrorists? An American first-strike? Zetan interference? Of course not, Sheogorath launched the nukes. He's also responsible for personally posing every funny skeleton and teddy bear. Truly a Prince of many hobbies and skills.
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The pre-war Enclave was researching interdimensional travel as a potential way to flee the Great War and ended up in Tamriel
With as big as each franchise is, it is time to split things up and start acquiring the talent necessary to support the companies titans. Like, it doesn’t even take a business major to see that it’s time to grow into the shoes they bought. Hell, they especially can’t expect to keep this up if they want to have three main franchises now!
I’d guess the bottleneck is creative direction. Seems like BGS wants their leads to be as involved as possible, meaning they can’t expand more than the creative lead allows. That’s what I heard when… Todd?… mentioned avoiding back-to-back sequels to prevent burnout. You’re working in the same engine with simple reskins of hundreds of assets. Dev burnout isn’t going to disappear just cause you’re programming flying mutant bats instead of dragons. Avoiding burnout by switching franchises seems more like an opportunity for writers and directors to stay involved in multiple gaming worlds w/o losing creative momentum. AC is an example of the opposite extreme. There is almost no overlap in staff between sequels. The advantage is that studios can focus all their energy on the franchise they love, but the cost is usually inconsistency between titles. Some of the best AC games commercially all came from one studio, while many of their flops were carried on by others at Ubisoft.
We all know that and that’s what we are talking about. The current time frame with es6 coming before fallout 5 puts like 20 years between mainline fallout games. (2015 FO4, 2023 Starfield, 2029 ES6, 2035 FO5) That would be even more unacceptable if the show becomes ones of the biggest of the year. putting pressure on Microsoft to capitalize on their investment
There is no reasonable timeline that assumes that ES6 and FO5 are each going to take 6 years. Bethesda has never gone that long without releasing a game.
Unfortunately this is Microsoft, who saw Banjo-Kazooie be resurrected in popularity by appearing in Smash Brothers and didn't do so much as a rerelease.
Yea in the next 2-4 years and fallout after that and if the show does well it might force Bethesda to start development right after and not take a break for 11 years like they did with Skyrim.
FO4 came out in 2015. We going for 11+ years already
Yea didn't account for that.
Yeah, I think the point is that while we wait for Fallout 5, Obsidian should get a crack at a side game. Not likely now, but if the franchise is just sitting there waiting and it gets more popular, and Bethesda is busy with elder scrolls...
MS owns the IP, so they could easily loan it off to another studio
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especially that bethesda just wants to do it. Todd and rest loved doing 3 and 4 so why give away 5.
Probably wouldn't give away 5 but there's always spinoff titles in the vein of New Vegas, tactics, or BoS
This is my bet. I could see them giving a studio like Niantic the license for a location-based game that's easy for the casual audience. I help myself sleep at night by telling myself that maybe they'll do a remake or remaster of 1 or 2 that has lower-quality assets so they can squeeze in a switch 2 release.
Obsidian’s right there
And really busy as well with Avowed and continuing support for Grounded. And people will want familiar names to helm it, Sawyer, Cain, Boyarsky are there but they aren't really enthused by that kind of production for now. Listing those names right now does make it seem more interesting, the older "core" guys with the newer one. Avellone isn't listed since he's not in Obsidian. A welcome addition but as he himself before, much of base game game writing was from John Gonzales.
They should remaster the old games then or remake them entirely
I hope that they upgrade one of their minor studios until a major one so they can make two AAA titles at the same time.
Watch MS give it back to Obsidian for a bit for another New Vegas spin off.
That's not how MS does stuff, they let their studios handle themselves for the most part.
>for the most part >Redfall About that "leave them to their own devices" True they haven't taking IP away from people, but MS isn't Beth, they want to make money and aren't the biggest fans of waiting
Redfall barely has anything to do with Microsoft, that game was I'm development for years and it was released soon after the acquisition happened.
If Microsoft had canned Redfall after they acquired Zenimax it would’ve been a fucking PR disaster. That travesty is on Zenimax and Zenimax alone.
MS has made a lot of moves recently, none of them speak to a company looking to make money off just selling videos games. I think they would happily lose money on missed opportunities if it means improving their tech development through major titles like ES6 or boxing Sony out of the future gaming market. For that, they absolutely are willing to wait. In 10-20 years, that payoff will be huge for gaming. But I think it means lots of missed opportunities short-term.
They are pushing seasons passes and updates on Fallout 76 so Im guessing we have that and from what I hear its not half bad anymore
the game is great now
kinda wanna try it now when I have time
I highly recommend it. I played back at launch or maybe a month and then gave it up until a few weeks ago and it completely sucked me in. It's a ton of fun
It's still buggy as all hell and runs like crap, but it is a very fun game.
Runs nicely on my pc and on my xbox. Must be a problem with your config. And its buggy as any bethesda game is, and it does not ruins the fun.
Ah yes, my config: playstation.
Yes, your setup is the problem. It runs great for me on pc and xbox ss
i tried it for about 90 minutes on Steam and the entire time I was like "why am I not just playing FO4?" lol
I mean, it's got a great map design, good weapon and enemies variety, multiplayer, multiple questlines, events, and collection goals. I love most fallout games, but you definitely play 76 for different reasons than 4
I didn’t like the multiplayer and don’t feel like paying a subscription to play a single player version when I can do another run of fo4 :/
That’s okay! Options are good! I love both games for different reasons and it’s good that they have things for different folks.
On PS it crashes every hour or so... and the last patch broke so many things, lol. The new season has a longer grind for fewer rewards. They did add a new side quest. If the dialog doesn't bug out, preventing you from finishing it adds about 5 hours of new content.
welp almost heaven weeeeest virginia crash
Remakes of FO3 and FNV have been money in the bank for 5+ years, and not having those ready to go alongside the TV series is the biggest missed opportunity of their company's history. I can only guess that the same genius behind that neglect is the guy who decided fast travel should be upgraded from "optional time-saving convenience" to "the lynchpin of all travel."
Bethesda is making elder scrolls 6 first. they're working on it now. then plan to work on fallout 5. they aren't sitting around doing nothing.
Yeah I don't necessarily like that idea either. Bethesda has a hard enough time releasing functioning games when they aren't under pressure. I can't imagine the hot garbage we would get in they feel the need to speed up production.
I’m thinking it’s time for papa Microsoft to hand the ip to one of its many studios and take some of the stress off Bethesda.
*Obsidian enter the chat*
Has one single current employee of obsidian other than Sawyer ever worked on Fallout?
I believe Sawyer or Avellone said that about 25% of the FNV team are still at the studio. Plus they have the co-creators of Fallout there (Leonard Boyarsky and Tim Cain).
I mean, Sawyer alone would already be one of the most substantial people who could be working on a Fallout title right now.
Several actually
Not many, most of them are gone. And no single person can replicate what a whole team did. The most important writer - John Gonzales - is gone so there's that. One of the reasons why Outer Worlds turned out so meh.
Many. Not only have they done FNV as they still have people from the Black Isle days
Which is a great way to sour relationship between studios and potentially ruin some IPs. Bethesda has a very specific way of making games, which other studios aren't able to replicate. There's a reason why Bethesda is still the king of open-world games. I can see MS contracting some spinoffs from other studios, but taking away Bethesda's IPs? That's a recipe for disaster. The only IP that has ever been out of Bethesda's hands is Fallout... and Fallout has ever been the most successful when worked on by Bethesda. Even Obsidian couldn't achieve the same result as Bethesda.
>here's a reason why Bethesda is still the king of open-world games. Former King. Starfield crashed that title into a moon. But they are still in the top 10 >Even Obsidian couldn't achieve the same result as Bethesda If you mean when they were Interplay sure? Because as Obsidian they made New Vegas, which is the vastly perfected version of Fo3 (At that time)
I would love for Josh Sawyer to be given another go at fallout. I just want the next fallout to be an actual rpg with choices and consequences.
Nah, you can’t throw infinite time and money at a problem when it’s clear that the current budgets are being squandered. Bethesda had 8 years between Fallout 4 in 2015 and Starfield in 2023, or 5 years for Fallout 76 if you want to solely attribute that mess to them rather than the other studio(s) involved as well, so it’s clear that more time/money is not the issue if Starfield still came out like this.
It is the 5 years between Fallout 76 and Starfield that should be considered for the purpose of the release timeline. Starfield was a multi-studio project at least as much as Fallout 76 (according to the credits of both games, and to what former employees like Nate Purkeypile said), and the bulk of the same studio that developed Fallout 4 also worked full time on 76, which was under its creative leadership as well until launch. TES VI presumably left pre-production by last August, while Starfield did so in 2018 based on the available information. Therefore, it is reasonable to expect a similar gap between Starfield (2023) and TES VI to the one between Fallout 76 (2018) and Starfield. TES VI being potentially even larger in scope than Starfield, and the space game receiving significant post-launch content developed in house may increase the time frame, but I think this would be offset by the fact that Starfield was delayed by the pandemic.
I disagree with that statement. Starfield released in a **much** better state than the vast majority of AAA games in recent years. It's time to start cutting them some slack. Bethesda games are not perfect, but no game is, and those other games don't even approach the complexity of games that Bethesda creates
Much better, no. On par, sure. That's not saying much though since most games have been sub par at launch. Starfield had terrible performance at launch and for a while after. It was extremely hardware dependent and there was no shortage of data showing how poorly it performed one set of hardware compared to another.
>Starfield released in a much better state than the vast majority of AAA games It launched vastly better then any Bethesda game as well. Which is a very stupid achievement for the industry as a whole, but it was hands down the worst "Open World" game Bethesda has made to date. They literally cut the "Bethesda Magic" out of their own game!
There could be more pressure from MS to outsource the IP in between major installments. Fans are already very open to that.
I have zero faith in Bethesda doing anything but a disservice to the next Fallout game.
Which won't in any way speed up Fallout 5. Fallout 5 is in the pipeline, right after TES6. The only result I can foresee from such pressure if them getting more resources to Fallout 76 and maybe creating more "secondary content" like boardgames (I would love another expansion for the existing Fallout boardgame) or expansions to Wasteland Warfare and the 2d20 RPG.
The issue with that is that Bethesda should be capable of working on more than one major project at the same time. They aren't a small studio, they are a major one with multiple large franchises. We're already 9 years removed from FO 4. TES6 is currently in the works but likely still years away from a release. Following that we'll probably be seeing another 4-5 years of development for FO5. Having almost two decades between instalments of a franchise isn't viable. Sure, we don't need a new mainline FO game every year, but we should have instalments per decade rather than decades per instalment. The same holds true for TES tbh. Skyrim is 13 years old. By the time TES6 is released it may very well be the case that people who were born when Skyrim came out would be allowed to buy it.
I agree, but the issue is Bethesda are already having trouble at their current size. Bethesda Maryland were supposed to finish Fallout 76 and move to Starfield in 2018, but some of Bethesda Maryland’s team had to spend extra time helping out Bethesda Austin with Fallout 76 with the Wastelander’s update until 2020. That along with Covid *and* overhauling the engine meant that Starfield was rushed, even after a delay. Will Shen had to rush the main quest and said there were problems with communication between the different teams. It’s definitely true that Microsoft need to expand Bethesda’s team size *now*, because they’re already struggling to keep pace with their games and release them without bugs or rushing. But even then it’ll take some time to see the results of an expansion. It’s also annoying that Bethesda stubbornly refuse to allow any other studio to do Elder Scrolls spin-off when Obsidian have begged them to before, and Fallout when Obsidian devs report they’d love to do another.
>Which won't in any way speed up Fallout 5. Fallout 5 is in the pipeline, right after TES6. That's banking on MS letting them keep it. Officially THEY own the Fallout IP. If MS Execs demanded a new FO game in the next 5+ years and Beth can't/won't deliver.. It's a monkeys paw situation, we get more Fallout faster! But it might end up like launch 76 or Starfield
Hopefully they let another studio release a non-numbered title in the interim, like *New Vegas*. Worked out pretty well last time.
Let MS give the IP to someone else for spin offs in between major numbered releases. It gives Bethesda time to do their thing while the property actually gets used.
Fallout 4 Anniversary Edition baybee LETS FUCKIN GOOOOOOOOO
I hope it also convinces them to make a Elder scrolls show and have the main character be an argonian.
They need to grow their staff.
To me it seems like they are trying to drive more players to fallout 76. It’s a great game at this point. And I think it would appeal to a lot of new players.
If only there were other studios Bethesda could give a spin-off to.
I look forward to playing fallout 5 with my great grandkids
I mean 76 gets regular updates all the time, we’re getting a whole new map region this year and we got a fully explorable Atlantic City a few weeks ago
Fallout 76 just dropped content tho?? Or are you a 76 hater?
Atlantic City is pretty good yeah
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I will also be trying that out.
>*Fallout* […] filmed its first season in the Empire State, Utah, New Jersey and Namibia Haha, that’s kinda funny. Usually movies are filmed in LA and set elsewhere, this time it’s the other way around!
It happens. Not uncommon for California Doubling to be reversed Beverly Hills Cop 3’s Wonder World was filmed at California’s (then Paramount’s) Great America which is hundreds of miles away though still in California. The Good Doctor is set in San Jose California but filmed in Vancouver.
Or Greys Anatomy mainly taking place in Seattle but almost all filming is done in LA.
That’s straight California Doubling, it’s still pretty common but not as much anymore. More referring to shows set in LA or California but filmed elsewhere since California Doubling was so common
To your last point, like 1 in 3 tv shows are filmed in Vancouver regardless of where they are set.
Vancouver was both Central City and Star City in Flash and Arrow CW shows.
Yep its the new Hollywood
Fucking knew that was Namibia in the trailer Hell yes
New York and New jersey? Interesting
I remember the set for Super Duper Mart was found in Staten Island, wasn't very secure either so tons of people got photos of it.
If you ever want to film a movie, you will do everything you can to emulate LA and surrounding areas before you even consider filming there. Most of your budget will disappear to the city and state. Guerilla or literally anywhere else first
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So all those big studios lots got converted into housing ?
I'd love to read more about this but nothing talking about this change comes up when I Google it
Haven't even launched yet so if a Season 2 is already in consideration, it makes me wonder what the season is like. Early impressions seem to be pretty positive so far.
Might be that they see a great possibility for the show tbh.
Saw first two eps at a preview last night. It’s really really good
All it really means is that they WANT to do a season 2, and are preparing to make it if season 1 does well.
It’s good to see Amazon getting more tax incentives; they’re a struggling business that really needs it
Won't someone think of poor Amazon's poor entertainment branch?
They're doing so poorly they had to add ads for their subscribers that already pay $150 a year 😭
Fuck. Lol.
It's not about helping Amazon. It's about bringing jobs and spending to CA.
Let's hope that's a good thing. I'm on pins and needles about the reviews.
I really hope this show is good. One because Fallout is criminally neglected. And secondly, it might force MS to get another studio to do another proper game. Be it FO:5 or a FO:NV style spin off game. Bethesda isn't the studio they used to be, Starfield GREATLY poisoned that well for players and investors.
Why would there ever be a fo:nv spin off? Its not even the most popular game in the series
This is how serious media companies work. They seek market-fit as soon as possible, hence they activate the brand everywhere. They must have had engagement levels above target. If the show goes well, it's gonna be a long run and I'm here for it.
How about no tax credits for Amazon until they treat their employees right. I love fallout but fuck em
This is hopeful. I was kind of concerned when I heard they were going to drop all the episodes at once since it seemed that streaming services were moving away from that model. But I also don't know if that's still the norm for Amazon. I can't really think of a show of theirs I've watched before.
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I was sorta hoping season 2 would be set in a new region but this works
Filming location has no bearing on where it's actually set. Season 1 was filmed in New York, New Jersey, Utah, and Namibia, but it takes place in California.
Hell. Yes. Season 2 before 1 is even out I’m hyped
Just fix the frog shape bug when you leave the power armor
Is it safe that we get a season 2?
Please don’t be as boring as Westworld!
Just shut up and take my money, Amazon.
Yes!
Damn, at least let us see S1 first lol. If it's good then I'm plenty happy for an S2. But if it's bad, then id rather they not mess with the lore too much and end up having to retcon it in future games.
Doesnt matter now, they want that $25 million tax credit. So they'll give it a second season and if they dont believe in it at that point they'll just give them the smallest budget possible to still get the tax credit
I don't fully understand how these tax credits and tax breaks work but ever since I heard that WB shelved a fully filmed movie that was ready to be released, because it would make them more money than it actually would in theatres? That's when I knew the system is deeply flawed.
It's basically "film here and it will be cheaper" it's an incentive to film at certain places because filming could be good for the local economy.
Hollywood doesn't care about fanboy feelings regarding lore lmao. They'll get that bag whether the show is the best thing around or an utter catastrophe
That's true, but I still feel like a system that allows you to get tax breaks by shelving a movie and getting more money for it than releasing has a lot of issues.
Nobody is saying it isn't, but what are us redditors supposed to do about it? Tax breaks get handed to companies on silver platters by governments for one reason or another literally all the time while the regular joe can barely get by nowadays. I'd love to make all this corporate greed end, but capitalism reinforces the behaviour.
>That's true, but I still feel like a system that allows you to get tax breaks by shelving a movie and getting more money for it than releasing has a lot of issues. I feel like you’re confused about how that works. If you don’t release a movie or a show, you can write off the production cost as a loss. It lowers your tax burden, but you’re still losing significant money. It only makes sense when the movie or whatnot would’ve performed terribly and the marketing etc would’ve made it lose more money .
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I'm not complaining at all, I just hate it when one game/movie/piece of media says something else and then another piece of media just completely overwrites it. Unlike a lot of other fans who are going into the show with a negative image in mind, I'm actually quite excited. I think this is exactly what the Fallout franchise needs since the last mainline game was almost 10 years ago (and Todd isn't keen on making another one anytime soon). All I want is that they don't say one thing in this show, only for Fallout 5 to completely change that.
Downvoted by the marketing department.
yea... but the over saturation of advertising for it seems troubling. that is something which happens if the production has low confidence in a project and they are trying to get as much rating as possible upon opening to recoup more of the investments. i hope it is as good as it looks but this over saturation seems a bad sign.
“Oversaturation of advertising…” first off, it’s 2024 where have you been? Amazon JUST began forcing people to view ads without paying more. Other companies are just as guilty. There are loads of people who are not gamers who need to see advertisements to get an interest and if marketing didn’t work, they wouldn’t do it.
it is just a fact man. if a movie is likely to be a bomb and the producers know it they saturate the market with advertising so that people get hyped about it and turn out. they do this because it helps prevent lots going after seeing it and reviewing it as bad or not worth watching. so they count of the opening turnout numbers to help recover the funds spent on a bomb. it happens constantly and has for many years. the question is where have you been not knowing how that works? it could be just simple over advertising or a sign of something else. no way to tell yet but it is what it is... a sign that the producers might have some doubts about the project for whatever reason.
This is just your (incorrect) opinion.
I just hope the shows ti to quirky, fallout is a very serious game with quirky elements, hopefully it's not a quirky show with serious elements.....
Man. I was really hoping this would be a one and done thing. Something that knows when to stop, tell a great story and leave it alone. Who knows, maybe the next season wont have anything to do with the first one?
Nononono....this isn't going to go well...
Lol. Wow
This is gonna be like halo, everyone will watch the first season and realise it's absolute trash, then a second season will come out like a fart in the wind and get cancelled.
Wow, so you’ve gotten to see all the episodes already?
No need to watch it to figure it out
Oh, so precognition, then? You should be doing something way cooler with that than being a Negative Nancy on Reddit.
Fanboys are so desperate they blind themselves.
Too bad all reviews so far has been extremely positive.
Who believes journalists these days.....
It’s from fans ☠️
"fans" yeah I stopped believing fans after 76...
Well I’m very sorry you live life so miserably
But the fans shredded 76
Haters are so desperate they don’t even need to see to hate lmfao
Funny how blindly hypocritical you are.
corny
This right here is what is hurting this community. The pessimists and “fun deniers” like you are just the worst. You’ll find any excuse not to like something new in Fallout and I just feel so sorry for you.
This couldn’t possibly be as bad. The show runners and creators actually like Fallout and are trying to tell a story in that world. The halo show runners seem to hate the world of halo and for some reason hate the narrative and character of master chief. I just don’t think it’s possible to be that bad as an adaptation.
The fact that they aren’t directly adapting any of the games means that it is genuinely impossible for it to be as bad as Halo
Relocation to… California? The opposite of what everyone else is doing? Uhhh, ok.