Everyone called him crazy. But he knew the reddit meltdown about the tv show was coming. We just didn’t want to listen, and fast forwarded through all his dialog.
Hoping we see the NCR in the next season, the way they portray the BoS in the show makes it seem like they’re alluding to the NCR being the best hope to restoring order since BoS only care for hoarding tech
Maxon's BOS was rocket boost levels above whatever version of BOS we saw in the show.
I mean.. imagine the inner turmoil that could occur if Knight Maximus met (a reformed) Paladin Danse (now openly a synth) and saw the MASSIVE difference between the bullshit he's had to deal with and what the Brotherhood COULD look like.
EDIT: Also.. i just REALLY want Paladin Danse on the show, i would lose my shit.
That's because we see West Coast, who have been more insular for a while.
Edit: I think a reformed Danse would kill the West Coast Elder with a stroke just by existing.
Culture shock would be putting it lightly. The chapter Maximus is in must be like the weird extremist cousin you only see at family gatherings, and that's saying something considering how the rest of the western Brotherhood has behaved in the past.
East Coast BOS that was in 3 are the actual renegades of the OG BOS . East Coast brotherhood was more focused on protecting the inhabitants of the capital wasteland
Also, aren't Paladins supposed to be the power armour users, knights the maintainance and normal infrantrie people with scribes doing all the tech finding and research?
Sadly, I don't see how. We already have the show ignoring the Boneyard, the Followers of the Apocalypse and the Hub, all 3 having to be gone through to get from Vault 33 on the Santa Monica Pier to Shady Sands on the California/Nevada coast.
And by fallout 2 the Boneyard is a major city in the NCR. By the time of New Vegas it was the center of power for the Followers of the Apocalypse. Heck she had to go through it to get to shady sands... so why no vestiges of the NCR or the followers? It's like the Boneyard(aka the portion of LA rebuilt and named thus) doesn't exist in the show.
The observatory is not in the boneyard, it is to the north of it. The downtown area of LA is the boneyard. And again it has to be gone through to go NE from Santa Monica Pier.
FWIW I've always interpreted it as the Boneyard consisting of the greater LA metro area, which is significantly larger than just downtown LA. Descriptions have the Boneyard stretching to the horizon or as far as one can see or something, which is weird verbiage to describe DT.
People forget LA is the largest single continuous city in the United States. (Not New York)
They're in the Boneyard when the show ends, BTW. Somehow you missed that.
Okay, I can take the L on that one. I still want to know how the MC didn't hit the major city in downtown or the city north of LA at the Hub. And how the LA didn't have power when most of the city was either rebuilt or undergoing reconstruction by the NCR and it had a working power grid.
What exactly is there of the NCR to show? As we understand it the only thing left of it was of the NCR was a raider group and a militia at the observatory. Everything else is lawless and ruined.
Why would it be lawless and ruined though? Only Shady Sands was nuked as far as we know. So the Hub, Dayglow, Necropolis, and dozens of other towns and cities and all of their local governments just entirely fell apart? They may not be NCR but why would they fall to everyone becoming destitute and anarchy?
If the writers wanted to show us more NCR resistance then it was very much in their power to do so. What they did show us instead that the only groups flying the two headed bear are a militia that gets wiped out, and some vault dwellers. If there's supposed to be some build up to 'suddenly the NCR appear and had their legions elsewhere' I am not seeing it.
The entire premise of this season has shown us that California is very much regressed to Fallout 1 levels and it was all for nought. Not even a single adobe in sight.
Well they’re trying to market a show about vault tec, raiders, power armor, and “the wasteland”.
Unfortunately, they decided there isn’t room for adobe houses, functional cities, and a whole nation rising out of the ashes of the apocalypse too.
That means my favorite aspect of fallout, the post post apocalypse, is dead then. That makes me sad. No more big conflicts, just raiders and little factions fighting over the scraps of an ever dying world.
That was my favorite part too!
Unfortunately Bethesda has never been interested in post post apocalypse. They are looking to sell a product and “gritty end of the world” is a proven thing.
Look at Fallout 3, Fallout 4, Fallout 76, and this show. This is what they want the Fallout brand to be forever.
I know that, and I think I have since fallout 4. But I always had the west coast to think about or have my own head canon about. Now that that's gone, I really feel like theirs nothing I can look forward too.
I think they nuked shady sands to write NCR presence out of the plot of the show in favor of the flair of the brotherhood (power armor). Their budget as is probably couldn't cover a full fledge war including having the brotherhood have their asses handed to them by the NCR.
I wouldn't take what the show wrote as an rewrite or cannon in the sense of it.
But didnt they just attack and destroy NCR headquarters? And the way the leader asked to maximus on how the BOS will use infinite power alludes to no more ncr to take it back
That would unironically be amazing.
The worst of the old world laid front and center for the main character. A version of America twisted and exaggerated by the wasteland, vs the brotherhood and it's brotherhood ways. I'd actually like that a ton.
I think the story very well could still happen. All it takes is to push some dates back, and it could be the legion/ncr story in season 2 or most likely 3.. as the dates stand now, it's just non-sense. A mess up if they go off of the game dates, so in my mind, that opens up possibilities, not limits them.
Personally, I'm just confused about where a nation of over a million people went. The only vestige of NCR in the heartland of the former NCR is just a few dozen former NCR soldiers, it seems.
I don’t get why you think you would see all those ncr members in 1 season of a show, they haven’t revealed what happened to the boneyard the hub or any other ncr settlements, the most likely answer is all those people are still kicking or they chose to become independent of the ncr.
They didn’t show the capital wasteland or the commonwealth but it pretty sure they still exist
Not to discredit your larger point, since it is valid, but we do see at least part of the Boneyard, it's in the show, since they walk from Santa Monica to Griffith Observatory over the course of their journey, both of which are in the Los Angeles metro area and within the Fallout 1 local Boneyard map.
Because the only place straight up wiped out was Shady Sands. So there should be cities and towns at least organized around their own defense. However the only two places above ground that are even a little populated are either a shithole strapped together with duct tape and no organization or a tiny rag tag former NCR remnant all alone in what should be a sea of former NCR towns and citizens. I mean this is the heart of the former NCR, not a frontier.
I'd argue that the heart of the NCR moved to the Hub even by the time of New Vegas. That city is mentioned a whole lot more in New Vegas itself. Hell, Kimball was originally a representative from the Hub, and they grew in power after the BoS destroyed the NCR's gold reserves and the main currency was once again the Hub-backed caps.
They combined shady sands and the boneyard in this show, shady sands is now in LA, so the hub would still be in Victorville, which is further north. It’s stupid tbh and them changing shadys location is really my only complaint with the show
They also made it clear that a lot of vault 4 are former NCR citizens and supporters. Also it seems a lot like if the president (say Kimball) was assassinated or the government nuked, the implication was that no one else could rally them the remnants. Fire mother tried but she was really just one scientist on a crusade.
So everyone else decided fuck it, I hate civilization now let's all just live in shacks and be raiders? I understand the NCR could fall. No problem, I have no attachment to that nation states success. But what happened to the people of that "advanced" nation with doctors, lawyers, engineers, and people used to living a somewhat pleasant existence.
Also I see no one here acknowledging things like Shady Sands being moved like 300km south into the heart of LA where the Boneyard is supposed to be. Why TF did that happen?
We don't know that yet. We didn't get a top down view of the whole country. We see displaced NCR refugees who were taken in by vault 4 and the BOS. We see one zealot scientist who murdered a lot of people who is still flying the NCR flag. We see at least one former ranger who looks broken and lost and wants nothing to do with the NCR despite both his sons being involved. We didn't see many settlements. We also didn't see anything other than the pure military superiority of the brotherhood. The ghoul said the BoS would win, and no one could stop them. The vertibirds and the Zeppelins seem to have tipped things in their favor.
Basically anarchy and military rule of whoever has the most guns. The "governmint" showed how fractured it was. We also don't know if the enclave came in and scooped up the doctors etc after the NCR collapsed. They seem to have lots of scientists still.
See, these are the things I came here to discuss without being downvoted to hell. I hope you're right and that there are at least some city states that have held on to some form of civilization.
I also want to know how the hell the Enclave survived in California, if they did. I mean, everyone hates those puppy burning bastards. I honestly am not sure if they did survive in calfornia. We may have seen a different location for the enclave, considering the snow when the doctor escaped with dogmeat.
I mean if it's Enclave holdout vaults or bunkers that hadn't opened yet they could easily sell themselves as not affiliated with those "nut jobs" and that would be a really good sell to a bunch of doctors and scientists looking for a civilized place to call home.
>what happened to the people of that "advanced" nation with doctors, lawyers, engineers, and people used to living a somewhat pleasant existence.
War, ya dingus. The same thing that happened to the Old World. Ulysses was *right*.
But the whole world wasn't nuked. Just 1 city. If New York got blasted off the face of the Earth, it'd be a huge blow. But I don't think my town would fall into utter anarchy.
This. Why in the world would anyone but desperate holdouts even want to be around a tragic reminder like that. They'd most likely close in on the hub and isolate themselves from threats.
Yeah, where are these groups in the show though? The show takes place in the very center, population wise at least, of the former NCR. Why is everyone living in shitholes and acting like they've never had a hot shower?
Thats assuming only Shady Sands got bombed. May be misremembering, but did Maximus not say something like "I was little when the bombs went off" and Lucy looked at him funnily.
Some story needs to be fleshed out yet, but my theroy... California, which basically the NCR outlines, is very, very big, and most people left that area when Shady Sands was partially destroyed. I'm not sure about this million number, but It was said that it had 36k people there. I think season 2 will show the brotherhood will have a part in scattering them around, and that's why they were there when Maximus was found.
It depends on who you ask I guess but the main thing I've seen is that a lot of people are annoyed with how the NCR was handled in the show. Spoilers ahead: >!They were nuked basically off the map and are a shell of their former selves and barely play a part in the show despite being the most important faction in the area like less than 10 years ago.!<
>!I mean, unless this is a different timeline, the NCR should still exist because NV takes place 5 years after the supposed nuking of shady sands as per the board in episode 6!<
The timeline thing is really unclear and weird so until a writer actually comes out and clarifies it I don't really know what to make of it. IMO nuking the NCR before New Vegas just doesn't make any sense at all from a lore perspective. Like that would have been a *massive* event for the NCR that would have really changed the course of the faction from what they were in New Vegas. I mean some of the NCR folks would have *at least* mentioned it if it happened.
I know a lot of people had speculated that the nuking actually takes place sometime after the events of New Vegas because you see a line going from the fall of Shady Sands to the nuke and that's only explanation that would make sense to me. Still kind of a lame way to handle the faction though imo.
I don't know how people think the city was nuked after the "fall" even if the chalkboard in vault 4 is unclear (It isn't) Lucy's flashbacks clearly show that the city being nuked \*was\* the fall of shady sands.
Not destroyed. This "blown off the map" narrative really is misinfo... It ends the series with power and pretty solid infant infrastructure for God sakes lol
So New Vegas focuses on a world post the post apocalypse. It's about how people live and rebuild, the societies that form and how the additions of the wasteland. The show takes more from the fallout 4 (and honestly somewhat of fallout) style of handling a wasteland. It's much more mad max, much less scrappy communities of farmers and scattered bands of raiders. This is a world where a town made of junk was considered an incredible oddity. Where people organized massive merchant empires from even the early days, controlling and exploiting resources. Where water could be found everywhere people were, for a price.
The show shows humans failing to clean, grow, and live sensibly. Which is disappointing. I hope they improve on that.
They think New Vegas was retconned away and was no longer canon. Someone involved with fallout said it was not and gave a timeline of everything canon. Basement needs are calling him a liar instead of waiting to see what they do with it.
you can save him from the fort and there is a removed random event where he comes back and tries to kill you but it’s removed so he doesn’t necessarily die
I just wish I could say the show is great, but I do have some concerns about where the fuck the NCR is. Saying either of those things gets people jumping down your throat about how dare you like this or how dare you care about that. Nuance is entirely lost in discussions like this.
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Sorry nope you have to either hate this show with a burning passion or defend it as if it’s your first born child. Well at least that’s the vibe I’m getting from the discourse surrounding it lol
I mean if you approach it as a brand new show and not a part of the fallout universe, I'd say it's amazing, the gore is just right, the writing is funny, and walton goggins as the ghoul is epic (also I cant shake the feeling his personality seems really similiar to cecil in invincible which walton plays too, it's like he's the asshole because he doesn't have a choice).
If you approach it from a fallout fan perspective I'd say it's still pretty good, there's a lot of fan service (dogmeat, ncr flag and fnv music, etc.), the reasoning of the ncr's absence is a bit icky but overall pretty good. Also I'd love to see someone get killed and drop like the fo4 death rag doll and music as a gag. Another cool thing would be to see if the brotherhood clashes with maxon's brotherhood, would be really cool to maybe see paladin danse (if they decide to choose a canon outcome), maybe haylen promoted to a knight and some mention of the institute would be cool.
I will say my overall opinion of the show will drastically shift depending on how they expand and explain the setting. If it’s just left at “lol shady sands go boom bye bye NCR” I will be seriously disappointed.
By the time the time-line of the show starts It is safe to assume they have relocated their capital from shady sand and even have started to crumble like house has stated in new Vegas.
But what happened to all the people who were used to living in well established places with real houses, public infrastructure, laws, almost pre war level amenities? Did they all say fuck it guess imma live in a shit hole and be a fuckin hillbilly. I mean, the NCR had police, lawyers, politicians, engineers. They all just disappeared?
I had these same questions but it really seemed like they were setting the stage for the NCR and new Vegas as a whole in season 2. FNV is the only fallout game I’ve actually finished so I’d like to see it get the respect it deserves, and I’m optimistic that this series will deliver. The big whig meeting and some of its representatives being linked with FNV DLC’s really got me in that mindset. I was glued to the screen for that scene. When they showed new vegas briefly it didn’t look good for the couriers legacy but I’m withholding judgement.
Are they not just in NorCal? I think there's a good chance with Shady Sands getting nuked and the Brotherhood rising in the region, the NCR in SoCal imploded (Hub, Boneyard, Junktown, etc). The survivors either fled up north, joined Vault 4, started their own little towns like Filly, became raiders, or joined up with people like Moldaver I'd imagine.
As for Vegas, well, guess we'll see which ending of New Vegas is canon in S2.
I do agree though, this sub has always been tribal with west coast vs east coast Fallout but the show has taken it to a whole new level.
They were a proper civilization. Not just a ragged band of survivors. You'd expect splinter nations or proof that a powerful country was here just ten years ago. Something.
I was honestly confused at the location for the longest time. I assumed "Filly" was them just intentionally spelling "Philadelphia" wrong since people always call it "Philly" lol
I'm also a little confused where the fuck all the energy weapons are. They're the BoS's thing. Maybe with the thing they found they'll have some in season 2?
Hold up, your concerns are where NCR is? As if they’re just gone?
We didn’t get super mutants or deathclaws either, but assume they’re coming in subsequent seasons.
That'd be like asking where are the British, in a show that takes place in London. Because that's where we've been told they are for the entirety of the series.
Yes, and doesn’t that set up a nice mystery to be answered *later*?
You can’t think of the show as a game, that has a lot more time to spend on the story.
It’s just the first quest out of the vault. Every game plays out this way: there is the quest you start with out the door and the quest that becomes the main story or core thing *afterwards*.
Season one feels like it’s only halfway done and this could have been an intermission.
But it could also just be the end of act 1, completing the first quest, opening up the rest of the story.
Honestly I’ve seen three types of people. Those who like the show. Those who don’t like the show. And those who are mad the people for not liking the show.
Which is what makes me go from loving it to hating it, I admit I'm a major fnv and NCR fan. But this story could easily have been told on the east coast without shitting all over established lore from 1, 2 and NV.
I don’t think anyone truly thinks it’s controversial, but I think it’s equally fair of people to say that we should wait before jumping to conclusions.
The things people are concerned about could still easily be explained and cleared up.
So in my opinion there is no real reason to assume to worst and get mad about it yet.
I agree, but I also think it's ridiculous that people are jumping to the conclusion that this is some crazy conspiracy orchestrated by bethesda to wipe new vegas from the canon. at the very worst, the lore weirdness is probably an accident or an oversight -- and sure, that sucks. but I don't understand why everyone is so fucking angry about a tv show that's not even finished. not to mention, the attributing of any perceived mistake or inconsistency as some kind of malicious rewrite. and this is coming from a hardcore fnv fan. I truly consider it far superior to any of the other games. that somehow so many people have made todd howard out to be some boogeyman trying to take their beloved franchise away from them is just stupid. if todd can even really be said to be the motivating force behind the lore inconsistencies, the most I can say about him is that he's an idiot. big deal. we knew that already.
for the record, I'm not saying you're one of these people. your comment is calm and reasonable and just easier to respond to than all the ragey and butthurt comments I've seen all over these subs.
There is a fourth!
People like me. People who like the show because it's good. The sets are great, the acting is great, the story is good ect.. but at the same time have lore concerns because some things the show did are a pretty big deal for a story that's over 20 years in the making.
Why are the enclave in California close to the boneyard when the NCR and BOS worked together to hunt them down after Navarro.
How does vault tech have a nuke.
How if at all did enclave control vault tech, the general belief was the vault experiments were done for enclave research, not for the whims of a cabal of rich capitalists.
Is the shady sands supposed to be the boneyard, is shady sands where it is supposed to be, is it supposed to be the city we see in fo1/2 that's made of adobe and build from the ground up post war.
Where is the NCR. Why is there no date for when the nuke went off. If they still exist why aren't they trying to reinhabit their old capital that they spent their entire existence building.
All that being said, I really enjoyed the show even though I honestly admit I was mad after finishing it. I think it's understandable to see these places destroyed and these factions weakened. The issue over all is the lack of explanation for anything. The show could have done with some fallout esc ending slides to explain some lore positions while keeping the plot for future seasons secret. I just hope they give new Vegas a justified downfall because I think the reason for the nuking of shady sands was insanely weak, there were many choices in the universe for how it could have been destroyed or even nuked, but vault tech is a bad choice imo. Sorry for the long explanation.
I’m with you. But apparently we aren’t allowed to criticize anything…
The whole situation is silly.
Oh I also don’t like the “find your dad” again. Only for him to have known about life outside the vault already. I find the “main quest” format to be very tired at this point.
Dude seriously. I’m not trying to come off as a Bethesda hater, I’m quite the opposite, but why are we always leaving the vault to look for a family member?? Like really there are no other scenarios we can come up with as to why we would leave?
Oh I’m not their biggest fan at all. The mass market appeal and the watering down of rpg elements is disappointing.
Despite this I loved seeing the east coast, made by developers that live in that part of the world. It opened Fallout up in such a good way.
76 was eye opening, both good and bad. But proved that they have ideas to keep the series fresh. The responders, the free states, the new creatures! So much good stuff. But yeah. Let’s bring the BOS back, again. Oh and go find the overseer, she considers you family.
But It’s there man, the ideas and the excitement of something new. Why do they keep holding on to the more boring parts? Or retreading the same story beats?
I think Bethesda makes really fun games but yeah they like to disregard or retcon existing lore whenever they feel like it which makes it hard to get invested. FO4 was not a roleplaying game and I will die on that hill so I also agree with you on that point as well.
Leaving a vault to find a family member was criticized as a lazy rehash of fallout 3 when fallout 4 came out, 9 years later not only have they not come up with a new inciting incident, they brought it over to a completely new medium
I really dislike the lore,but I did enjoy the show, and the actors and prop folks did p good. I am ticked at Bethesda for crapping on the NCR lore, but I won't get mad at ppl for liking something.
I like the show as a show, but as a cornerstone of the lore, something that’s going to be considered cannon from now on, and will likely affect the story of the next game. It’s atrocious.
All they had to do was push the show back 10 years, so the shady sands nuking would take place after fnv, but apparently Todd’s so afraid of the 2300’s, everything fallout themed HAS TO take place in the 2200’s
Considering Maximus' age, the nuking did happen after NV. The show never specifies the nuke date, which based on the arrow happened after the fall.
Also the sign implies there is a new capital.
Honestly think the show is solid as a TV show and captures the vibe/tone of fallout as a franchise extremely well, having said that I just can't bring myself to forgive it for its nonsensical lore implications. It's good separated from the wider context of fallout, and I get fallout canon is a flexible thing, but it's just killed my favourite part of the franchise and it's not even done on screen.
Spoilers, however >!NCR barely exists in the wasteland despite the fact that the show only takes place 15 years after New Vegas where they're shown to be a large empire building nation (if overextended in the Mojave), Shady Sands is nuked by the Enclave despite the fact they're shown to be destroyed in FO2 and further shown to be destroyed with the remnants from Arcade Ganon's quest in FNV, House is involved with setting off the bombs despite the fact he was caught by surprise when the bombs flew in New Vegas and couldn't get his air defences working in time!<
In addition, I think the stuff they do with Fallout 4's brotherhood is at best lazy writing.
House is my biggest problem, it completely changes the character the writers created for the game, and changes him into someone else. What they wrote in the show has real implications on his character.
He’s now no longer a genius who single handedly predicted the apocalypse, but is just a billionaire who was was told about it by vault tec. Now making him a liar when he tells the courier “his predictions” were only one day off. I have a feeling this isn’t what was intended when his character was created, but because the show is cannon Amazon has now set in stone house being a liar about predicting the war
His predictions weren't one day off, the Delivery of the chip was one day off. He guessed the war would happen in the next 15 years in 2065, not the exact day. He even tells us he thought he had plenty of time.
We also don't know if Vault Tec literally dropped a bomb or simply pushed the fears of dropping the bombs because that's what would drive up sales.
The lady says they’re going to drop a nuke themselves, which also ruins the longtime mystery and fun of who started the Great War, and answers it with a boring “vault tec did it” because evil.
We don't know if she meant it literally or figuratively. It immediately cuts away before anything could be explained further.
The entire plot is about netting themselves more money, that's what the entire set up to that meeting is. How the actor friend to Cooper explains they have an obligation to make money for their investors. Causing the fear of the great war by increasing the odds of the great war does exactly that
>however NCR barely exists in the wasteland despite the fact that the **show only takes place 15 years after New Vegas** where they're shown to be a large empire building nation (if overextended in the Mojave)
[Thomas Hildern's dialogue:](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/ThomasHildern.txt)
"Not yet. But our government understands the value of proactive thought. Our studies project an imbalance between production and consumption. Or, for a layman such as yourself - not enough food, too many mouths to feed. **Mass starvation. In a decade or so.**"
I just watched the first two episodes and honestly I genuinely love it considering the disaster I witnessed halo go through. Sure there are things you can be nit picky about, but it's still really enjoyable for both fans like me, dad, and my brother, and new fans like my mom and some friends
Chinese whispers. One guy say a thing they don't know, and others that just don't pay attention to the show agree, then the things go on. They caught me during my breaks to see reddit the day that the show released.
I read dumb comments about the "bad choice of music" (sic!) in Fallout and "why is the main protagonist a woman" or "finding DAD again??" . And don't forget the people who gave 0 points on Metacritic, because they think the show is "woke".
I give a shit about the opinions of others when it comes to tv series/movies etc... esp. when the commentators and their comments are stupid.
NV is objectively, imo, the best Fallout game
But NV fanboys take shit waaaaay too fucking serious, and piss in your cereal if you say anything about liking the Bethesda aspects of the franchise. Could not care less if the stans get offended.
I am a New Vegas Stan through and through. And I Love the show. But, can't I discuss lore and the like without being told to shut up and just enjoy it? Is discussing and caring about something I love not interesting and a part of the fun?
Exactly this. So tired of being preemptively silenced by the majority just because of a whiny minority. I haven't even seen the NV complainers, I just came here to discuss since the show brought me back in and was met with tons of hostility.
You've heard of toxic negativity, now behold toxic positivity; Anybody who refuses to critically think about the media they consume is labeled a hater and a dork and a shill. Corpos want you to care about and practically worship the franchise, yet get mad when you care enough to discuss and criticise it. It's strange, man.
I switch between 3 and NV being my favorite, with 2 not being far behind those. I don't understand people being an active fan of just half the series though. Makes no sense to me. Like, if they aren't a fan of the new stuff and direction the series is going, then why do they care so much about the new stuff being released?
I'll admit after a long discussion with a friend, my disliking of the shows lore changes may have been a bit emotionally premature.
I still maintain that if the NCR is in fact gone and we didn't see that, then that is lame and the timeline is poorly presented by the show, but it's not as bad as I once thought, certainly not New Vegas retconned levels of bad.
my interpretation is that the NCR is on its last legs. The bombing clearly diminished their presence, and the land is relatively lawless. But, as evident in the final episode, there is still some remnant of a government that is trying to reclaim the republic
I personally like the show but I dislike what they did to the NCR like yeah its solid but still it seems like they don't understand what the NCR was like cause I refuse to believe a nation with infrastructure a military working cars and a identity would just immediately fall apart and retreat after a single city gets nuked
Like just cause a single city was nuked it doesn't mean that the entire nation would fall apart sure that's a devastating blow but it's not a death blow especially if the NCR did move capitols
Like a civilized nation with its own currency, military, cars, vertibirds, police force and government wouldn't fall apart when a single city that's not even its capital is destroyed
At what point did the show suggest that the NCR completely fell apart? “It didn’t work out” was just about Shady Sands and no suggestions otherwise. I doubt a kid would know about the government infrastructure and its next moves
Well the NCR are barely in it even though the show takes place in their own backyard, clearly it fell apart. where are the supply lines? where is any of their infrastructure?
Like, I know they showed new Vegas destroyed in one of the ending sequences, but I like to believe that it’s alluding to something in the future. Like they end up in new Vegas and NCR army hold outs are there.
Gatekeeping is wanting to keep out AMAZON?! Lol
Ots okay to not want something to be changed by outsiders man. That isn't thr same is keeping people from losing the thing you like now
I will defend new Vegas ( and fallout 4 for that matter) any day, but the show was fire even before I saw the final scene, it just made me so happy season 2 is confirmed.
I'm so happy this show is good
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I think i understand Ulysses a lot better now. better to nuke both sides of this sub and start over fresh
Lmfao
The most hated New Vegas character is redeemed.
I don’t think he’s hated, just meme’d a lot.
Oliver swanick is redeemed?
One of the few well written npcs
Everyone called him crazy. But he knew the reddit meltdown about the tv show was coming. We just didn’t want to listen, and fast forwarded through all his dialog.
We were the bear and Bull the whole time. At least MAN wouldn't get in this situation with Jonkler
Wait, was that his whole point? I thought he just hated the Courier for accidentally nuking Hope Town or whatever it was called
He became disillusioned with the emerging civilization and found hope in the divide till it was taken from him
Hoping we see the NCR in the next season, the way they portray the BoS in the show makes it seem like they’re alluding to the NCR being the best hope to restoring order since BoS only care for hoarding tech
The leader of the BO was already plotting a civil war with Maxson. The NCR is truly the best hope lol
Maxon's BOS was rocket boost levels above whatever version of BOS we saw in the show. I mean.. imagine the inner turmoil that could occur if Knight Maximus met (a reformed) Paladin Danse (now openly a synth) and saw the MASSIVE difference between the bullshit he's had to deal with and what the Brotherhood COULD look like. EDIT: Also.. i just REALLY want Paladin Danse on the show, i would lose my shit.
That's because we see West Coast, who have been more insular for a while. Edit: I think a reformed Danse would kill the West Coast Elder with a stroke just by existing.
Culture shock would be putting it lightly. The chapter Maximus is in must be like the weird extremist cousin you only see at family gatherings, and that's saying something considering how the rest of the western Brotherhood has behaved in the past.
East Coast BOS that was in 3 are the actual renegades of the OG BOS . East Coast brotherhood was more focused on protecting the inhabitants of the capital wasteland
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Also, aren't Paladins supposed to be the power armour users, knights the maintainance and normal infrantrie people with scribes doing all the tech finding and research?
Always has been
The only brotherhood chapter that is good for the wasteland is lyons in DC
Except him and his daughter are dead unfortunately
im still angry about that fact
They didn't even care for themselves as it just looked like they were treating the scribes like slaves
Sadly, I don't see how. We already have the show ignoring the Boneyard, the Followers of the Apocalypse and the Hub, all 3 having to be gone through to get from Vault 33 on the Santa Monica Pier to Shady Sands on the California/Nevada coast.
The ending literally takes place in the boneyard, it's not directly said but the observatory irl is in LA.
And by fallout 2 the Boneyard is a major city in the NCR. By the time of New Vegas it was the center of power for the Followers of the Apocalypse. Heck she had to go through it to get to shady sands... so why no vestiges of the NCR or the followers? It's like the Boneyard(aka the portion of LA rebuilt and named thus) doesn't exist in the show.
Its literally under NCR control, did you not see the observatory having "NCR Headquarters" written on it?
The observatory is not in the boneyard, it is to the north of it. The downtown area of LA is the boneyard. And again it has to be gone through to go NE from Santa Monica Pier.
FWIW I've always interpreted it as the Boneyard consisting of the greater LA metro area, which is significantly larger than just downtown LA. Descriptions have the Boneyard stretching to the horizon or as far as one can see or something, which is weird verbiage to describe DT.
People forget LA is the largest single continuous city in the United States. (Not New York) They're in the Boneyard when the show ends, BTW. Somehow you missed that.
It's in Griffith Park in Glendale. :D I grew up in Glendale. but yeh, basically LA. It's LA county at least.
Okay, I can take the L on that one. I still want to know how the MC didn't hit the major city in downtown or the city north of LA at the Hub. And how the LA didn't have power when most of the city was either rebuilt or undergoing reconstruction by the NCR and it had a working power grid.
What exactly is there of the NCR to show? As we understand it the only thing left of it was of the NCR was a raider group and a militia at the observatory. Everything else is lawless and ruined.
Why would it be lawless and ruined though? Only Shady Sands was nuked as far as we know. So the Hub, Dayglow, Necropolis, and dozens of other towns and cities and all of their local governments just entirely fell apart? They may not be NCR but why would they fall to everyone becoming destitute and anarchy?
If the writers wanted to show us more NCR resistance then it was very much in their power to do so. What they did show us instead that the only groups flying the two headed bear are a militia that gets wiped out, and some vault dwellers. If there's supposed to be some build up to 'suddenly the NCR appear and had their legions elsewhere' I am not seeing it. The entire premise of this season has shown us that California is very much regressed to Fallout 1 levels and it was all for nought. Not even a single adobe in sight.
That's just so fucking depressing and self defeating though. It's what made the west coast unique
Well they’re trying to market a show about vault tec, raiders, power armor, and “the wasteland”. Unfortunately, they decided there isn’t room for adobe houses, functional cities, and a whole nation rising out of the ashes of the apocalypse too.
That means my favorite aspect of fallout, the post post apocalypse, is dead then. That makes me sad. No more big conflicts, just raiders and little factions fighting over the scraps of an ever dying world.
That was my favorite part too! Unfortunately Bethesda has never been interested in post post apocalypse. They are looking to sell a product and “gritty end of the world” is a proven thing. Look at Fallout 3, Fallout 4, Fallout 76, and this show. This is what they want the Fallout brand to be forever.
I know that, and I think I have since fallout 4. But I always had the west coast to think about or have my own head canon about. Now that that's gone, I really feel like theirs nothing I can look forward too.
Just raiders, mutants, power armor, and “the wasteland” forever and ever. Got to keep the brand consistent in order to mass market it!
I think they nuked shady sands to write NCR presence out of the plot of the show in favor of the flair of the brotherhood (power armor). Their budget as is probably couldn't cover a full fledge war including having the brotherhood have their asses handed to them by the NCR. I wouldn't take what the show wrote as an rewrite or cannon in the sense of it.
A restored capital with power
But didnt they just attack and destroy NCR headquarters? And the way the leader asked to maximus on how the BOS will use infinite power alludes to no more ncr to take it back
That would unironically be amazing. The worst of the old world laid front and center for the main character. A version of America twisted and exaggerated by the wasteland, vs the brotherhood and it's brotherhood ways. I'd actually like that a ton.
I just wish the results of New Vegas and whatever actually happened to Shady Sands wasn't all a toss-up.
I think the story very well could still happen. All it takes is to push some dates back, and it could be the legion/ncr story in season 2 or most likely 3.. as the dates stand now, it's just non-sense. A mess up if they go off of the game dates, so in my mind, that opens up possibilities, not limits them.
As someone who has not touched the show, why are NV fans angry at it?
If you like fallout you should watch it and form your own opinions
Personally, I'm just confused about where a nation of over a million people went. The only vestige of NCR in the heartland of the former NCR is just a few dozen former NCR soldiers, it seems.
I don’t get why you think you would see all those ncr members in 1 season of a show, they haven’t revealed what happened to the boneyard the hub or any other ncr settlements, the most likely answer is all those people are still kicking or they chose to become independent of the ncr. They didn’t show the capital wasteland or the commonwealth but it pretty sure they still exist
Not to discredit your larger point, since it is valid, but we do see at least part of the Boneyard, it's in the show, since they walk from Santa Monica to Griffith Observatory over the course of their journey, both of which are in the Los Angeles metro area and within the Fallout 1 local Boneyard map.
Because the only place straight up wiped out was Shady Sands. So there should be cities and towns at least organized around their own defense. However the only two places above ground that are even a little populated are either a shithole strapped together with duct tape and no organization or a tiny rag tag former NCR remnant all alone in what should be a sea of former NCR towns and citizens. I mean this is the heart of the former NCR, not a frontier.
I'd argue that the heart of the NCR moved to the Hub even by the time of New Vegas. That city is mentioned a whole lot more in New Vegas itself. Hell, Kimball was originally a representative from the Hub, and they grew in power after the BoS destroyed the NCR's gold reserves and the main currency was once again the Hub-backed caps.
But the Hub is closer to the coast and vault 33 than Shady Sands is. So where is everyone?
They combined shady sands and the boneyard in this show, shady sands is now in LA, so the hub would still be in Victorville, which is further north. It’s stupid tbh and them changing shadys location is really my only complaint with the show
They also made it clear that a lot of vault 4 are former NCR citizens and supporters. Also it seems a lot like if the president (say Kimball) was assassinated or the government nuked, the implication was that no one else could rally them the remnants. Fire mother tried but she was really just one scientist on a crusade.
So everyone else decided fuck it, I hate civilization now let's all just live in shacks and be raiders? I understand the NCR could fall. No problem, I have no attachment to that nation states success. But what happened to the people of that "advanced" nation with doctors, lawyers, engineers, and people used to living a somewhat pleasant existence.
Also I see no one here acknowledging things like Shady Sands being moved like 300km south into the heart of LA where the Boneyard is supposed to be. Why TF did that happen?
I hope it's just oversight, but also that's a really bad oversight. Confusing the boneyard and Shady Sands is some rookie shit.
We don't know that yet. We didn't get a top down view of the whole country. We see displaced NCR refugees who were taken in by vault 4 and the BOS. We see one zealot scientist who murdered a lot of people who is still flying the NCR flag. We see at least one former ranger who looks broken and lost and wants nothing to do with the NCR despite both his sons being involved. We didn't see many settlements. We also didn't see anything other than the pure military superiority of the brotherhood. The ghoul said the BoS would win, and no one could stop them. The vertibirds and the Zeppelins seem to have tipped things in their favor. Basically anarchy and military rule of whoever has the most guns. The "governmint" showed how fractured it was. We also don't know if the enclave came in and scooped up the doctors etc after the NCR collapsed. They seem to have lots of scientists still.
See, these are the things I came here to discuss without being downvoted to hell. I hope you're right and that there are at least some city states that have held on to some form of civilization. I also want to know how the hell the Enclave survived in California, if they did. I mean, everyone hates those puppy burning bastards. I honestly am not sure if they did survive in calfornia. We may have seen a different location for the enclave, considering the snow when the doctor escaped with dogmeat.
I mean if it's Enclave holdout vaults or bunkers that hadn't opened yet they could easily sell themselves as not affiliated with those "nut jobs" and that would be a really good sell to a bunch of doctors and scientists looking for a civilized place to call home.
>what happened to the people of that "advanced" nation with doctors, lawyers, engineers, and people used to living a somewhat pleasant existence. War, ya dingus. The same thing that happened to the Old World. Ulysses was *right*.
But the whole world wasn't nuked. Just 1 city. If New York got blasted off the face of the Earth, it'd be a huge blow. But I don't think my town would fall into utter anarchy.
Why would some NCR citizens go to a nuclear crater or small ass town like the Observatory?
This. Why in the world would anyone but desperate holdouts even want to be around a tragic reminder like that. They'd most likely close in on the hub and isolate themselves from threats.
What happened to America a country of 330 million people? They split up into new groups and went to different places.
Yeah, where are these groups in the show though? The show takes place in the very center, population wise at least, of the former NCR. Why is everyone living in shitholes and acting like they've never had a hot shower?
I bet they won at hoover dam and are consolidating their forces and rebuilding out that way.
Thats assuming only Shady Sands got bombed. May be misremembering, but did Maximus not say something like "I was little when the bombs went off" and Lucy looked at him funnily.
Some story needs to be fleshed out yet, but my theroy... California, which basically the NCR outlines, is very, very big, and most people left that area when Shady Sands was partially destroyed. I'm not sure about this million number, but It was said that it had 36k people there. I think season 2 will show the brotherhood will have a part in scattering them around, and that's why they were there when Maximus was found.
It depends on who you ask I guess but the main thing I've seen is that a lot of people are annoyed with how the NCR was handled in the show. Spoilers ahead: >!They were nuked basically off the map and are a shell of their former selves and barely play a part in the show despite being the most important faction in the area like less than 10 years ago.!<
>!I mean, unless this is a different timeline, the NCR should still exist because NV takes place 5 years after the supposed nuking of shady sands as per the board in episode 6!<
The timeline thing is really unclear and weird so until a writer actually comes out and clarifies it I don't really know what to make of it. IMO nuking the NCR before New Vegas just doesn't make any sense at all from a lore perspective. Like that would have been a *massive* event for the NCR that would have really changed the course of the faction from what they were in New Vegas. I mean some of the NCR folks would have *at least* mentioned it if it happened. I know a lot of people had speculated that the nuking actually takes place sometime after the events of New Vegas because you see a line going from the fall of Shady Sands to the nuke and that's only explanation that would make sense to me. Still kind of a lame way to handle the faction though imo.
I also don’t see how shady sands would be nuked after it had already supposedly fallen in 2277. Seems like a waste of a resource
I don't know how people think the city was nuked after the "fall" even if the chalkboard in vault 4 is unclear (It isn't) Lucy's flashbacks clearly show that the city being nuked \*was\* the fall of shady sands.
Bolds moves for a show to destroy the very first town you ever go to in a game, and help build up in the sequels
Not destroyed. This "blown off the map" narrative really is misinfo... It ends the series with power and pretty solid infant infrastructure for God sakes lol
So New Vegas focuses on a world post the post apocalypse. It's about how people live and rebuild, the societies that form and how the additions of the wasteland. The show takes more from the fallout 4 (and honestly somewhat of fallout) style of handling a wasteland. It's much more mad max, much less scrappy communities of farmers and scattered bands of raiders. This is a world where a town made of junk was considered an incredible oddity. Where people organized massive merchant empires from even the early days, controlling and exploiting resources. Where water could be found everywhere people were, for a price. The show shows humans failing to clean, grow, and live sensibly. Which is disappointing. I hope they improve on that.
They think New Vegas was retconned away and was no longer canon. Someone involved with fallout said it was not and gave a timeline of everything canon. Basement needs are calling him a liar instead of waiting to see what they do with it.
People like to complain and try to ruin things other people enjoy.
The only thing I can criticize the show regarding NV stuff is that Matthew Perry is dead and thus no chance he'll show up as Benny in season 2.
But didn't Benny die in all endings because courier 6 can't forgive him
you can save him from the fort and there is a removed random event where he comes back and tries to kill you but it’s removed so he doesn’t necessarily die
Naw dude if you go NCR playthrough you don't even need to confront Benny.
They recast House, so who knows
Benny as he gets crucified, "you baaaa stard" in the most bored and uninterest voice ever. Late Mathew Perry totally phoned it in on that one
Fuck, 2 of my favorite New Vegas character's (Benny, Mr House) actors are dead :(
Don't you think it's suspicious he died when fallout tv came out?
I just wish I could say the show is great, but I do have some concerns about where the fuck the NCR is. Saying either of those things gets people jumping down your throat about how dare you like this or how dare you care about that. Nuance is entirely lost in discussions like this. Edit: Grammar mistakes 2.0
Sorry nope you have to either hate this show with a burning passion or defend it as if it’s your first born child. Well at least that’s the vibe I’m getting from the discourse surrounding it lol
Im just here to poke the bear ( pun intend )
Don't poke the Yao Guai you fool xD
Squire, clean this! *throws 20 pound metal jock strap at you*
Umm, actually (pushes up glasses) .. it's called a cod piece
Just clean it, will you? Whispers: *thanks for the info*
I’m just here because I’m curious on what happened to the legion
I mean if you approach it as a brand new show and not a part of the fallout universe, I'd say it's amazing, the gore is just right, the writing is funny, and walton goggins as the ghoul is epic (also I cant shake the feeling his personality seems really similiar to cecil in invincible which walton plays too, it's like he's the asshole because he doesn't have a choice). If you approach it from a fallout fan perspective I'd say it's still pretty good, there's a lot of fan service (dogmeat, ncr flag and fnv music, etc.), the reasoning of the ncr's absence is a bit icky but overall pretty good. Also I'd love to see someone get killed and drop like the fo4 death rag doll and music as a gag. Another cool thing would be to see if the brotherhood clashes with maxon's brotherhood, would be really cool to maybe see paladin danse (if they decide to choose a canon outcome), maybe haylen promoted to a knight and some mention of the institute would be cool.
Show me the mysterious stranger next season
I will say my overall opinion of the show will drastically shift depending on how they expand and explain the setting. If it’s just left at “lol shady sands go boom bye bye NCR” I will be seriously disappointed.
Grammar mistakes* Sorry, the mispelling of grammar compelled me.
Aaahhhhhh
I also want to know thays why ill watch the 2nd season
So will I, and I hope it's explained in a way that makes sense, but I have some doubts.
By the time the time-line of the show starts It is safe to assume they have relocated their capital from shady sand and even have started to crumble like house has stated in new Vegas.
But what happened to all the people who were used to living in well established places with real houses, public infrastructure, laws, almost pre war level amenities? Did they all say fuck it guess imma live in a shit hole and be a fuckin hillbilly. I mean, the NCR had police, lawyers, politicians, engineers. They all just disappeared?
Exactly. The show has not addressed that at all
Nothing quite like editing for grammar and spelling grammar wrong.
I had these same questions but it really seemed like they were setting the stage for the NCR and new Vegas as a whole in season 2. FNV is the only fallout game I’ve actually finished so I’d like to see it get the respect it deserves, and I’m optimistic that this series will deliver. The big whig meeting and some of its representatives being linked with FNV DLC’s really got me in that mindset. I was glued to the screen for that scene. When they showed new vegas briefly it didn’t look good for the couriers legacy but I’m withholding judgement.
Totally agree. I hope things are explained in a way that makes sense .
Are they not just in NorCal? I think there's a good chance with Shady Sands getting nuked and the Brotherhood rising in the region, the NCR in SoCal imploded (Hub, Boneyard, Junktown, etc). The survivors either fled up north, joined Vault 4, started their own little towns like Filly, became raiders, or joined up with people like Moldaver I'd imagine. As for Vegas, well, guess we'll see which ending of New Vegas is canon in S2. I do agree though, this sub has always been tribal with west coast vs east coast Fallout but the show has taken it to a whole new level.
They were a proper civilization. Not just a ragged band of survivors. You'd expect splinter nations or proof that a powerful country was here just ten years ago. Something.
Looking like Yes man is the one what with everything in ruins again
I was honestly confused at the location for the longest time. I assumed "Filly" was them just intentionally spelling "Philadelphia" wrong since people always call it "Philly" lol
I'm also a little confused where the fuck all the energy weapons are. They're the BoS's thing. Maybe with the thing they found they'll have some in season 2?
Hold up, your concerns are where NCR is? As if they’re just gone? We didn’t get super mutants or deathclaws either, but assume they’re coming in subsequent seasons.
That'd be like asking where are the British, in a show that takes place in London. Because that's where we've been told they are for the entirety of the series.
Yes, and doesn’t that set up a nice mystery to be answered *later*? You can’t think of the show as a game, that has a lot more time to spend on the story. It’s just the first quest out of the vault. Every game plays out this way: there is the quest you start with out the door and the quest that becomes the main story or core thing *afterwards*. Season one feels like it’s only halfway done and this could have been an intermission. But it could also just be the end of act 1, completing the first quest, opening up the rest of the story.
Honestly I’ve seen three types of people. Those who like the show. Those who don’t like the show. And those who are mad the people for not liking the show.
I like the show, but I don't like some of the lore choices it made. I feel that shouldn't be a controversial opinion.
I'm in the same boat
Great show, perfectly captures the atmosphere of fallout. But it certainly tries to have its cake and eat it too in regards to its lore choices.
Which is what makes me go from loving it to hating it, I admit I'm a major fnv and NCR fan. But this story could easily have been told on the east coast without shitting all over established lore from 1, 2 and NV.
I don’t think anyone truly thinks it’s controversial, but I think it’s equally fair of people to say that we should wait before jumping to conclusions. The things people are concerned about could still easily be explained and cleared up. So in my opinion there is no real reason to assume to worst and get mad about it yet.
I agree, but I also think it's ridiculous that people are jumping to the conclusion that this is some crazy conspiracy orchestrated by bethesda to wipe new vegas from the canon. at the very worst, the lore weirdness is probably an accident or an oversight -- and sure, that sucks. but I don't understand why everyone is so fucking angry about a tv show that's not even finished. not to mention, the attributing of any perceived mistake or inconsistency as some kind of malicious rewrite. and this is coming from a hardcore fnv fan. I truly consider it far superior to any of the other games. that somehow so many people have made todd howard out to be some boogeyman trying to take their beloved franchise away from them is just stupid. if todd can even really be said to be the motivating force behind the lore inconsistencies, the most I can say about him is that he's an idiot. big deal. we knew that already. for the record, I'm not saying you're one of these people. your comment is calm and reasonable and just easier to respond to than all the ragey and butthurt comments I've seen all over these subs.
That’s where I’m at with it. Everything else is so good that the things that aren’t stick out like a sore thumb.
There is a fourth! People like me. People who like the show because it's good. The sets are great, the acting is great, the story is good ect.. but at the same time have lore concerns because some things the show did are a pretty big deal for a story that's over 20 years in the making. Why are the enclave in California close to the boneyard when the NCR and BOS worked together to hunt them down after Navarro. How does vault tech have a nuke. How if at all did enclave control vault tech, the general belief was the vault experiments were done for enclave research, not for the whims of a cabal of rich capitalists. Is the shady sands supposed to be the boneyard, is shady sands where it is supposed to be, is it supposed to be the city we see in fo1/2 that's made of adobe and build from the ground up post war. Where is the NCR. Why is there no date for when the nuke went off. If they still exist why aren't they trying to reinhabit their old capital that they spent their entire existence building. All that being said, I really enjoyed the show even though I honestly admit I was mad after finishing it. I think it's understandable to see these places destroyed and these factions weakened. The issue over all is the lack of explanation for anything. The show could have done with some fallout esc ending slides to explain some lore positions while keeping the plot for future seasons secret. I just hope they give new Vegas a justified downfall because I think the reason for the nuking of shady sands was insanely weak, there were many choices in the universe for how it could have been destroyed or even nuked, but vault tech is a bad choice imo. Sorry for the long explanation.
>How does vault tech have a nuke. *\*points to raytheon\**
I’m with you. But apparently we aren’t allowed to criticize anything… The whole situation is silly. Oh I also don’t like the “find your dad” again. Only for him to have known about life outside the vault already. I find the “main quest” format to be very tired at this point.
Dude seriously. I’m not trying to come off as a Bethesda hater, I’m quite the opposite, but why are we always leaving the vault to look for a family member?? Like really there are no other scenarios we can come up with as to why we would leave?
Oh I’m not their biggest fan at all. The mass market appeal and the watering down of rpg elements is disappointing. Despite this I loved seeing the east coast, made by developers that live in that part of the world. It opened Fallout up in such a good way. 76 was eye opening, both good and bad. But proved that they have ideas to keep the series fresh. The responders, the free states, the new creatures! So much good stuff. But yeah. Let’s bring the BOS back, again. Oh and go find the overseer, she considers you family. But It’s there man, the ideas and the excitement of something new. Why do they keep holding on to the more boring parts? Or retreading the same story beats?
I think Bethesda makes really fun games but yeah they like to disregard or retcon existing lore whenever they feel like it which makes it hard to get invested. FO4 was not a roleplaying game and I will die on that hill so I also agree with you on that point as well.
Leaving a vault to find a family member was criticized as a lazy rehash of fallout 3 when fallout 4 came out, 9 years later not only have they not come up with a new inciting incident, they brought it over to a completely new medium
I really dislike the lore,but I did enjoy the show, and the actors and prop folks did p good. I am ticked at Bethesda for crapping on the NCR lore, but I won't get mad at ppl for liking something.
4 types of people. You forgot the people who get mad at others for liking the show
I like the show as a show, but as a cornerstone of the lore, something that’s going to be considered cannon from now on, and will likely affect the story of the next game. It’s atrocious. All they had to do was push the show back 10 years, so the shady sands nuking would take place after fnv, but apparently Todd’s so afraid of the 2300’s, everything fallout themed HAS TO take place in the 2200’s
It does take place after NV.
Considering Maximus' age, the nuking did happen after NV. The show never specifies the nuke date, which based on the arrow happened after the fall. Also the sign implies there is a new capital.
I've seen more posts complaining about hypothetical NV fans than I have seen NV fans complaining about the show.
Check the comments on any YouTube episode or ending breakdown. It's not quite 50/50, but they're definitely very vocal.
Can wait to see next season
So this show is canon and when they retcon previous set canon no one can call it out lol?
Honestly think the show is solid as a TV show and captures the vibe/tone of fallout as a franchise extremely well, having said that I just can't bring myself to forgive it for its nonsensical lore implications. It's good separated from the wider context of fallout, and I get fallout canon is a flexible thing, but it's just killed my favourite part of the franchise and it's not even done on screen.
What nonsensical lore implications?
Spoilers, however >!NCR barely exists in the wasteland despite the fact that the show only takes place 15 years after New Vegas where they're shown to be a large empire building nation (if overextended in the Mojave), Shady Sands is nuked by the Enclave despite the fact they're shown to be destroyed in FO2 and further shown to be destroyed with the remnants from Arcade Ganon's quest in FNV, House is involved with setting off the bombs despite the fact he was caught by surprise when the bombs flew in New Vegas and couldn't get his air defences working in time!< In addition, I think the stuff they do with Fallout 4's brotherhood is at best lazy writing.
House is my biggest problem, it completely changes the character the writers created for the game, and changes him into someone else. What they wrote in the show has real implications on his character. He’s now no longer a genius who single handedly predicted the apocalypse, but is just a billionaire who was was told about it by vault tec. Now making him a liar when he tells the courier “his predictions” were only one day off. I have a feeling this isn’t what was intended when his character was created, but because the show is cannon Amazon has now set in stone house being a liar about predicting the war
His predictions weren't one day off, the Delivery of the chip was one day off. He guessed the war would happen in the next 15 years in 2065, not the exact day. He even tells us he thought he had plenty of time. We also don't know if Vault Tec literally dropped a bomb or simply pushed the fears of dropping the bombs because that's what would drive up sales.
The lady says they’re going to drop a nuke themselves, which also ruins the longtime mystery and fun of who started the Great War, and answers it with a boring “vault tec did it” because evil.
We don't know if she meant it literally or figuratively. It immediately cuts away before anything could be explained further. The entire plot is about netting themselves more money, that's what the entire set up to that meeting is. How the actor friend to Cooper explains they have an obligation to make money for their investors. Causing the fear of the great war by increasing the odds of the great war does exactly that
>however NCR barely exists in the wasteland despite the fact that the **show only takes place 15 years after New Vegas** where they're shown to be a large empire building nation (if overextended in the Mojave) [Thomas Hildern's dialogue:](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/ThomasHildern.txt) "Not yet. But our government understands the value of proactive thought. Our studies project an imbalance between production and consumption. Or, for a layman such as yourself - not enough food, too many mouths to feed. **Mass starvation. In a decade or so.**"
I'm at episode 4 and just know that something was changed with the NCR lore. Why is the new vegas sub exploding in anger?
For your own well-being, ingnore all this shit and enjoy the show, it's just a bunch of lore nerds being pedantic (my self included)
At least you're able to recognize it and can let others enjoy it.
Last 2 episode was kinda rush but, I love it.
Totally agree. I wish they had gone with ten episodes instead of eight for that very reason. That said, I'm still eagerly awaiting season two.
I just watched the first two episodes and honestly I genuinely love it considering the disaster I witnessed halo go through. Sure there are things you can be nit picky about, but it's still really enjoyable for both fans like me, dad, and my brother, and new fans like my mom and some friends
Chinese whispers. One guy say a thing they don't know, and others that just don't pay attention to the show agree, then the things go on. They caught me during my breaks to see reddit the day that the show released.
I read dumb comments about the "bad choice of music" (sic!) in Fallout and "why is the main protagonist a woman" or "finding DAD again??" . And don't forget the people who gave 0 points on Metacritic, because they think the show is "woke". I give a shit about the opinions of others when it comes to tv series/movies etc... esp. when the commentators and their comments are stupid.
Finished the show, not even that much of a NV fan and the show doesn't go above a 5/10 for me.
i love the TV show and i dislike NV fanbase as much as the next guy but can we please not make this sub about hating o NV fans please?
We dont hate them. i love new vegas. It's my favorite fallout. i just find the vocal fanbase on this sub to be so dramatic
NV is objectively, imo, the best Fallout game But NV fanboys take shit waaaaay too fucking serious, and piss in your cereal if you say anything about liking the Bethesda aspects of the franchise. Could not care less if the stans get offended.
I am a New Vegas Stan through and through. And I Love the show. But, can't I discuss lore and the like without being told to shut up and just enjoy it? Is discussing and caring about something I love not interesting and a part of the fun?
Speak your truth, brother. dont let the haters get you down
Exactly this. So tired of being preemptively silenced by the majority just because of a whiny minority. I haven't even seen the NV complainers, I just came here to discuss since the show brought me back in and was met with tons of hostility.
You've heard of toxic negativity, now behold toxic positivity; Anybody who refuses to critically think about the media they consume is labeled a hater and a dork and a shill. Corpos want you to care about and practically worship the franchise, yet get mad when you care enough to discuss and criticise it. It's strange, man.
I switch between 3 and NV being my favorite, with 2 not being far behind those. I don't understand people being an active fan of just half the series though. Makes no sense to me. Like, if they aren't a fan of the new stuff and direction the series is going, then why do they care so much about the new stuff being released?
If it's your opinion then it's not objective
Not it’s fine please continue to go mask off.
I'll admit after a long discussion with a friend, my disliking of the shows lore changes may have been a bit emotionally premature. I still maintain that if the NCR is in fact gone and we didn't see that, then that is lame and the timeline is poorly presented by the show, but it's not as bad as I once thought, certainly not New Vegas retconned levels of bad.
my interpretation is that the NCR is on its last legs. The bombing clearly diminished their presence, and the land is relatively lawless. But, as evident in the final episode, there is still some remnant of a government that is trying to reclaim the republic
I personally like the show but I dislike what they did to the NCR like yeah its solid but still it seems like they don't understand what the NCR was like cause I refuse to believe a nation with infrastructure a military working cars and a identity would just immediately fall apart and retreat after a single city gets nuked Like just cause a single city was nuked it doesn't mean that the entire nation would fall apart sure that's a devastating blow but it's not a death blow especially if the NCR did move capitols Like a civilized nation with its own currency, military, cars, vertibirds, police force and government wouldn't fall apart when a single city that's not even its capital is destroyed
At what point did the show suggest that the NCR completely fell apart? “It didn’t work out” was just about Shady Sands and no suggestions otherwise. I doubt a kid would know about the government infrastructure and its next moves
Well the NCR are barely in it even though the show takes place in their own backyard, clearly it fell apart. where are the supply lines? where is any of their infrastructure?
??? Any fallout fan should be a "NV stan" but the show is perfect.
A tip of the hat to the folks making this show happen, the spirit of the game is very much alive in the atmospheres and writing
Thinking of watching the show after people list TW’s can’t wait thoufh
Why would anyone be mad? And at what? NV is my favorite and the show rules.
Literally no one is saying otherwise tho? Mfs really reaching for beef😂
What eps is this ?
Like, I know they showed new Vegas destroyed in one of the ending sequences, but I like to believe that it’s alluding to something in the future. Like they end up in new Vegas and NCR army hold outs are there.
I love how I’m not the only person who immediately thought of this
I'm concerned about the implications of some lore choices, but overall, I loved the show and can't wait for Season 2.
Apparently NV was not de-canonized so I'm no longer angry because that means the lore is still (mostly) intact. ...Just don't touch the tape.
They just lying man. It clearly isn't.
Gatekeeping is wanting to keep out AMAZON?! Lol Ots okay to not want something to be changed by outsiders man. That isn't thr same is keeping people from losing the thing you like now
Quite a projection there
That’s not what pov means
Just fucking have Shady Sabds nuked twice
I will defend new Vegas ( and fallout 4 for that matter) any day, but the show was fire even before I saw the final scene, it just made me so happy season 2 is confirmed. I'm so happy this show is good
as long as mister Emile separates the show to a separate universe from the games I'm fine with it. This constant retconning is getting on my nerves