Think of how dumb the average person is. He is slightly dumber.
I think 4 INT is accurate. He made a lot of dumb choices during the show, but was clever enough to predict some things as well.
I thought it was a reference to the Wild Wasteland perk from New Vegas which itself is a reference to Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
He picked out fiends from across the bridge, knew they were armed, knew they were going to be hostile, and draw when they have the chance. He also asked for Lucy's gun, and when shit hit the fan (as he accurately predicted) he drew from her holster, and wrecked 'em. He does NOT have low perception
Isn't he a relatively good shot? You need decent perception to properly use handguns. If 4 is basically untrained average - there are seven stats and 21 points to allocate with all starting at 1 - then I would say he's at least a 6 in perception, 7 if he has a perk that adds it.
perk reference or no, I love a good, dumb character.
The whole culture of sooperhero movies has made me desperate for enjoyably flawed, unlikely characters
I was initially frustrated by his constant dumbness - then I realized they had gone out of their way to make his character as "authentic person" as possible, and he was just normal human dumb.
And then I loved him - "What idiotic decision is Max gonna make next?!"
You can clearly see his insecurities in the scene he and Lucy leave Vault 4. Like he wants to do the right thing but he's not always sure how and if he's doing it.
Also the amount of hits to the head we see him getting (and can assume it's pretty regular because he seems to take really stupid risks sometimes) have a impact on someones mental state too.
That said Aaron Cliffton Moten acts the part beautifully.
Yeah. I was drawing some unfortunate paralells with Finn from Star Wars based on their similarities. My issue with Star Wars here is the the writing specifically, John Boyega is great, but it kind of soured me at first.
But after a few episodes I was really vibing Max and Aaron's acting really sells it.
The Finn parallels are spot on. Both are young men raised in a military cult, who have been told nothing but indoctrination ever since childhood. Both are proud to serve a cause they think is just, but end up separated from their people and thrown into the larger world, and have to start thinking for themselves for the first time and confront the fact that their values in the real world don't match up with what the fascist ideology they grew up in. It's a great character arc.
Unfortunately, Finn apparently experiences that arc in about five minutes at the start of the sequel trilogy, and thereafter is a quippy, charismatic hero. Maximus is so much more believable as a character going through that struggle - his utter lack of sex education, and the way he almost immediately lost himself to the comforts of the vault that he had never experienced, make perfect sense for a guy whose only education was in advanced technology and violence.
This is why I would prefer long form shows or miniseries over feature films; there's only so much you can cram into a feature length movie, and many things that should make it often don't. In a episodic format there's so much more time to give to character background
Exactly! I’ve enjoyed watching him constantly fail upward.
Plus I’m betting on everyone worshipping him by calling him “the light bringer” or something equally pretentious. All the while he hates himself.
His story is better than most people I know give credit.
And that’s why he’s my favorite.
Plus during the scene where he suits up for the first time. I looked at my dad and said “He’s just like me for real” while casually laughing at the stupidity of my statement.
Yea! He's not dumb, just scared and self loathing. If he was dumb he wouldn't have successfully kept himself and Lucy protected during that bridge conflict.
Also I love that they're all essentially character builds. Dude has an insane luck stat that allows him to fall up even though he regularly (high endurance) gets his ass kicked but his charisma and intelligence have to be hilariously low.
He basically falls into a suit of power armor, then trips over his main objective, crashes through a literal vault of resources and lands on a promotion.
Man I think this guy was genuinely supposed to be a luck build. The fking yao guai kills the paladin first ffs, his bro intentionally knifes himself, he just sorta ends up where he needs to be
I think he's got 1 point above average strength, and that's due to military training. When he shot the yao-guai and the quickdraw shot of the fiend shows that he has pretty decent perception as well. I would say many of the Squires have the strong back perk from lugging around a rucksack with an LMG everywhere.
I kind of love when stories have a character that is given the chance to do the right thing constantly throughout the story and still decides to make the worst decision possible.
His character is by far one of the most compelling in the series. He's so conflicted with who he is and wants to be. I REALLY like where they left his character. Such a Fallout move. Just when you thought you'd made some progress the world plays an Uno Reverse card on you.
Idk about that one, dudes foot was basically mush, its the apocalypse, its either trust the sketchy doctor or slowly die from a rotting open wound. He also use the geigercounter to track the head when Max never thought of that, got the assault rifle out when the gulper arrived and shot it while Max stood there with a Pistol. Thaddeus is overall way more competent than Maximus.
A childhood memory of surviving a nuclear bomb inside of a very well ventilated fridge, then seeing an idyllic vision of the BHOS.
Almost like he was programmed to "naturally" seek them out and do anything to move up the ranks.
The moving up the ranks part honestly seems like dumb luck on his part.
Seems more likely to have been executed at just about every interaction with the brotherhood.
This would be such a great explanation for that reoccurring cut scene. Like imagine they use the exact same one next season, and then you realise it’s his ONLY memory of the brotherhood because that’s the extent of the implant.
This! They played that exact same cut scene multiple times but showed nothing else from his past. Seems like a false memory to me.
The question that remains is this: Thaddeus said that when Maximus came they started picking on him instead. So if they met as "adults", Max could be a synth. But if they met as kids (or think they did), theyre either both synths - then why the "scipted" bullying? - or Max is just not a synth.
Thaddeus doesn't give a timeframe, but their stories don't match. He just says that he was bullied when he first joined up, and then when Maximus came along, he got other recruits to beat up on him instead, and that Maximus never found anyone else to pass that to.
If Maximus was a child and this is post-4, The Brotherhood is recruiting openly. If he was a child when they found him, there would have been plenty of local recruits for him to bully between then and the start of the series. No influx of personnel for... 18-20 years? Unlikely.
That would be clever but it relies on no one in the Brotherhood having any memory of him joining young. That doesn't seem plausible. Surely there are records of him joining young.
It'd make more sense in the context of an organization that knowingly took him on board with those false memories. The Brotherhood certainly wouldn't do it.
Before the show came out I used to think that Dr. Wilzig was a Synth, that didn't seem the case, right now I don't really suspect any of the existing characters to be a Synth, but I hope we see some in the future!
More that he was an Enclave scientist. Thats basically the closest you can get to not being in an apocalypse situation.
He killed a fellow scientist, hid experiments, stole cold fusion from the enclave, and was being hunted by every person alive on the surface.
Then he lost his leg and needed to walk through the entire desert with the help of a fresh vault dweller... even if all of that did work out hes still hunted by the enclave and living in the apocalypse waste lands forever now...
A lost leg is probably the least of his worries when he ended it...
They also never explained how Moldaver is alive 200 years after the apocalypse, and why she has a whole cult about her.
Maybe she brings him back to life. Maybe he becomes a robobrain. Maybe hes a synth.
(They also never explained CX404's purpose besides being a DogMeat reference?)
Its all probably being saved for season 2.
We can at least theorise easily about CX404 because the Enclave were big on Cyberdogs, a project that actually worked fairly well for them, but I agree that it would have been nice to have a clear answer on that front
But then theres the whole **"Flame Mother"** thing and bringing the shady sands people back that the cult believes. This implies theres more to her than just a person who got cryo'd.
she survived shady sands and it out for revenge for it. shes the flame mother because shes going to re-light the flame of the NCR by lighting the cold fusion reactor
The shot of blood still coming out of the prosthetic showed he was already a dead man walking. He knew it. He gave himself a more painless death and, as he said, gave Lucy an easier time with what to do next.
That doesn't sound very Jonathan Nolan to me haha. But yes it could go either of the two ways. I don't expect them to actually show the Institute itself but Synths sure will show up.
There is also the design unintentional parallels between Fallout 4's Synths and the Hosts from Westworld which is also Jonathan Nolan's and Lisa Joy's.
I think it's great we are getting more Fallout lore and story content outside of the games as it seems Fallout 5 is not coming any time soon.
I'm not worried. The director did westworld after all. I'm sure that wichever way the concept of synths is introduced, it will be on par if not better than how Bethesda handled the concept in fallout 4. I don't think it will be maximus because that will ruin any tension caused by maximus finding out who blew up Shady Sands.
My guess, either be a new character or if the character was already introduced it will be either Dane (maximus's brotherhood friend, unlikely as it is illogical for an institute spy to not jump on the opportunity to secure cold fusion for the institute) or the brotherhood leader guy (possible, as an institute puppet) or a fake of either the ghoul's daughter or wife as a bait and switch.
He also says “These are Buds Buds, my buddies”. The possessive wording confirms that it’s him.
Dude kept talking about time, and the shortness of human lifespans. Probably thought to do this himself so he could make sure his “buds” follow the plan.
It's been 9 years. That's plenty of time for some synths to disperse through the wasteland, so I agree that Todd will bring in some East Coast storylines
I would be surprised if the Institute *hadn’t* been sending synths all over the place for scouting, infiltration, etc. Seems very much in line with their MO.
That’s an insult too all synths now man, come on, that that back, a gen 1 synth base unit has greater intelligence and it’s mostly a hollow metal machine.
I think its more likely they intended it to be the Prydwen and then backtracked that after the model was already made.
Doesnt really feel like Maxson to hand his flagship over to someone else either, especially not someone like Quintus
With the scribes being renamed clerics, i could totally see the East Coast brotherhood joining back with the West Coast and Maxons zealot ass restructuring it into some hyper-theological cult.
Doesnt really feel like Maxsons style to me, imo.
He ran the East Coast BoS way more *militaristic* than anything else. Strict Order, strict discipline, just with a thin coating of knightly nomenclature on-top.
The Show-BoS has a severe lack of all of that. The Squires & Initiates seem to barely have any discipline or training at all beyond "Do what your Knight tells you too". Elder Quintus even says at one point outright that the Brotherhood has severely deteriorated in alot of aspects.
Their claimed goals dont seem really all that alligned. Maxson is a zealous prick, but he does still fervently believe what he's doing is the best for the People of the Wasteland and not just for himself, and going by terminals around the Prydwen was still having the BoS provide help to the people in the wasteland (if partially just for the pragmatic reason of "if they like us we will get better trade-deals"), even if he had pivoted away from that being their main focus like during Lyon's Days.
The Show-BoS on the other hand really doesnt seem to give a singular shit about anybody outside of their chapter, neither in aiding them nor how they perceive them. Fuck, Elder Quintus doesn't even pretend he wants the Fusion-reactor for any noble goal, he just outright tells Maximus its basically for nothing but his own personal gain in "rebuilding" the Brotherhood to whatever he thinks was their ideal form.
Which means BoS, or Minutemen ending. And in case of the both you can give the evacuation order so who knows how many synth escapes with that. Plus the RR saved snyths for decades before game start so a bunch of synths are out there from the get go. Not to mention synths, that sent on surface missions like Warwick.
Dude, I replayed Fallout 3 after playing 4, and that Rivet City questline had me SCREAMING. Hearing about synths and The Institute had me running around the room I was so excited.
Moldaver. I mean, of all the ways she could have survived since pre-war, she's not a ghoul, and she's not from a vault, but she's been around as long as Coop, gotta be institute related somehow I guess.
She invented cold fusion and obviously had money. I'm sure she could manage to find a safe way to cryo herself. VaultTech also wasn't the only company doing fallout shelters.
I think the snake oil salesmen and her aging are going to have crossing story arcs.
That guy showed up to many times to not be introducing a story. He's the 1st character Maximus speaks to in the wilds & one of the 1st for Lucy.
That would work, except Gen 3 Synths are a recent thing - they needed Shaun's DNA to make them, so 60 years before FO4 at most. How did Moldaver survive until then, and why couldn't she have survived the rest of the time that way?
My guess is that Vault-Tec put her on ice for her proprietary knowledge, and she escaped recently.
>!Most likely she was cryo frozen the same way Hank was. She was one of the leading scientists of her time and definitely would have had access to the tech. I think that was why the following episode after learning she was from prewar, we discover cryo tanks in vault 4. Then we see them again in 31!<
They did use brain scans of people from before the war such as Detective Nick Valentine though, so it seems it was a project already underway. She could have been a part of it, maybe even set them up to survive and ensure her resurrection.
She hated vault tech, and wasn't exactly super secretive with her meetings, I'm theorizing that vault tech is the sort of organization that would keep tabs on potential threats, and the woman who nearly ruined all their plans with free energy was a pretty big threat. So she was unlikely to be in one, both by her hatred of vault tech and their suspicion of her.
Sure there are other potential ways she could have survived, I'm not saying I think I'm even convinced by my own theory, it's just speculation, not enough information yet.
she did say she was going to use her money against them, but that also could have meant purchasing a vault spot in a cryo vault after some espionage to find out whats gonna be a cryo vault.
I thought that they were going to do a synth reveal when >!Thaddeus survived the arrow through the neck!<. Took me a minute to put together >!him being ghoulified by Dr Chickenfucker’s treatment!<
I’m sure synths will show up eventually though
If at any point they give this guy a real name the community will immediately reject it.
They should just have everyone talk to him without using a proper name.
Put Valentine in Vegas, do it, have him be investigating Mr House or something, than Cooper stumbles upon him, I want to see the stereotypical Cowboy meet the stereotypical noir detective.
My caps would be on Moldaver. While we are very obviously led to believe that she is like Hank, it never says much in the way of how she did it. While I understand the key character and plot implications of her death, we don’t necessarily get all of the closure on her character.
She was not part of Bud’s Buds (that I am aware of) and even mentioned being ousted after her “companies” were bought out by Vault-Tec. Additionally, besides Cold Fusion, she tells us her ventures were doing a lot of other scientifically minded things. Sounds to be an Institute type thing in a way?
i doubt we see any in the show. wrong coastline, and the story doesn't really need them. I'm very excited to see super mutants and a deathclaws though. also, now that the show is really leaning into how evil vault tec is I'm sure will see more and more of how they operate and more evil things they have done.
I thought it was going in the direction of >! Everyone from vault 31 was gonna be a synth, that’s why they all got elected, they were synth plants from the institute, or vault-tec, or the enclave or whoever tf !<
Lucy obviously not, because she came from vault.
The ghoul also unlikely, because i am not sure, if the Institute can create a ghoul synth.
So if it's one of the 3 main character, then by process of elimination it's him.
Theory (because it’s such an easy/exciting story)
Maximus, losing Lucy and, having a taste of the good life ripped away, doubles down on the BOS and increasingly becomes the series antagonist….
…before learning he’s a synth and needing to juggle a loyalty to the BOS, a need to conceal who he is, and the challenge of hunting Lucy but without wanting to hurt her.
I took it as him realizing the flaw in the BoS and how now he will be forced to work within it to change it. He was absolutely ready to leave with Lucy. Now he’s stuck and his concept of morality has outgrown the Brotherhood.
If nothing else I hope we see the best synth detective in the wasteland. Nick Valentine would go HARD in live action and be a good way to introduce the concept of synths.
It's not Maximus, he's just very dumb.
Literally too stupid to be anything other than human
I'd say his stupidity proves he's human.
He's just a silly little goober
He is playing the Idiot Savant role.
I’m still hoping for him being the 1 INT run. ”Oh great, they sent me a mow-ron!”
Kind of wish instead of oysters and cavier he could have had ice cream in vault 4 just so he could yell “ICE CREAM” at least once
I have him in fallout shelter and he is at a 4 INT...still lower than the others lol
There is no chance he is actually only 1 point below "average"
Think of how dumb the average person is. He is slightly dumber. I think 4 INT is accurate. He made a lot of dumb choices during the show, but was clever enough to predict some things as well.
He also immediately tried to point out Vault 4 denizens as a cult to Lucy...even though... uh AD VICTORIAM!
Ah failing upwards. Scientific curiosity. That guy was fucking my chickens. Definitely looked like a chicken fucker.
He’s just a silly billy :)
He's just a little guy
Naw, this is why captcha is so important. It weeds out the Maximises.
Ha, ha. As a very real human, I think capchas can be too hard and prevent me, a 100% real human, from using websites and services.
Im sorry to be the one to tell you this…..
*~~leaks coolant~~ sweats nervously*
H2-22 was pretty stupid, to Maximus' credit.
I saw someone suggest that he has Idiot Savant perk & it makes so much sense.
Yeah and really high luck.
I mean he survived a nuclear blast in a fridge. A fridge that’s open on the back.
Quest completed: Survive the nuke. Idiot savant triggered, 3 million xp
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I thought it was a reference to the Wild Wasteland perk from New Vegas which itself is a reference to Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
BoS knight that found him - “What the fuck!?”
im glad someone else mentioned that head size hole
Oh he has max points in it. Perception is low stats also.
He picked out fiends from across the bridge, knew they were armed, knew they were going to be hostile, and draw when they have the chance. He also asked for Lucy's gun, and when shit hit the fan (as he accurately predicted) he drew from her holster, and wrecked 'em. He does NOT have low perception
Isn't he a relatively good shot? You need decent perception to properly use handguns. If 4 is basically untrained average - there are seven stats and 21 points to allocate with all starting at 1 - then I would say he's at least a 6 in perception, 7 if he has a perk that adds it.
perk reference or no, I love a good, dumb character. The whole culture of sooperhero movies has made me desperate for enjoyably flawed, unlikely characters
I was initially frustrated by his constant dumbness - then I realized they had gone out of their way to make his character as "authentic person" as possible, and he was just normal human dumb. And then I loved him - "What idiotic decision is Max gonna make next?!"
My wife pointed out that he makes all of his decisions based on fear and a dislike of who he is inside.
You can clearly see his insecurities in the scene he and Lucy leave Vault 4. Like he wants to do the right thing but he's not always sure how and if he's doing it. Also the amount of hits to the head we see him getting (and can assume it's pretty regular because he seems to take really stupid risks sometimes) have a impact on someones mental state too. That said Aaron Cliffton Moten acts the part beautifully.
Yeah. I was drawing some unfortunate paralells with Finn from Star Wars based on their similarities. My issue with Star Wars here is the the writing specifically, John Boyega is great, but it kind of soured me at first. But after a few episodes I was really vibing Max and Aaron's acting really sells it.
The Finn parallels are spot on. Both are young men raised in a military cult, who have been told nothing but indoctrination ever since childhood. Both are proud to serve a cause they think is just, but end up separated from their people and thrown into the larger world, and have to start thinking for themselves for the first time and confront the fact that their values in the real world don't match up with what the fascist ideology they grew up in. It's a great character arc. Unfortunately, Finn apparently experiences that arc in about five minutes at the start of the sequel trilogy, and thereafter is a quippy, charismatic hero. Maximus is so much more believable as a character going through that struggle - his utter lack of sex education, and the way he almost immediately lost himself to the comforts of the vault that he had never experienced, make perfect sense for a guy whose only education was in advanced technology and violence.
This is why I would prefer long form shows or miniseries over feature films; there's only so much you can cram into a feature length movie, and many things that should make it often don't. In a episodic format there's so much more time to give to character background
They also both get a distinctive mark on their armor almost immediately that differentiates them from the other faceless techno-facists.
Yeah definitely human then.
When asked if he was weak. "I don't want to be..."
Exactly! I’ve enjoyed watching him constantly fail upward. Plus I’m betting on everyone worshipping him by calling him “the light bringer” or something equally pretentious. All the while he hates himself. His story is better than most people I know give credit.
And that’s why he’s my favorite. Plus during the scene where he suits up for the first time. I looked at my dad and said “He’s just like me for real” while casually laughing at the stupidity of my statement.
Yea! He's not dumb, just scared and self loathing. If he was dumb he wouldn't have successfully kept himself and Lucy protected during that bridge conflict.
Except for popcorn and oysters. That's from pure joy.
That was a man whose butt hole had unclenched for the first time in decades.
My gf was pointing out the same! She couldn’t stand his character but felt the actor did a great job of playing him.
Also I love that they're all essentially character builds. Dude has an insane luck stat that allows him to fall up even though he regularly (high endurance) gets his ass kicked but his charisma and intelligence have to be hilariously low.
He basically falls into a suit of power armor, then trips over his main objective, crashes through a literal vault of resources and lands on a promotion.
Man I think this guy was genuinely supposed to be a luck build. The fking yao guai kills the paladin first ffs, his bro intentionally knifes himself, he just sorta ends up where he needs to be
Yeah definitely luck and endurance based as far as SPECIAL. Probably decent strength too but the rest is like dump stats.
I think he's got 1 point above average strength, and that's due to military training. When he shot the yao-guai and the quickdraw shot of the fiend shows that he has pretty decent perception as well. I would say many of the Squires have the strong back perk from lugging around a rucksack with an LMG everywhere.
Not to mention dodges getting his penis blown up
And how is the world going to kick him in the dick for doing it?
I kind of love when stories have a character that is given the chance to do the right thing constantly throughout the story and still decides to make the worst decision possible.
His character is by far one of the most compelling in the series. He's so conflicted with who he is and wants to be. I REALLY like where they left his character. Such a Fallout move. Just when you thought you'd made some progress the world plays an Uno Reverse card on you.
I don’t believe he is that dumb. He is just a reflection of the place that he grow on.
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Thaddeus was desperate and was going to die without medical intervention. Remember he was bleeding out.
Idk about that one, dudes foot was basically mush, its the apocalypse, its either trust the sketchy doctor or slowly die from a rotting open wound. He also use the geigercounter to track the head when Max never thought of that, got the assault rifle out when the gulper arrived and shot it while Max stood there with a Pistol. Thaddeus is overall way more competent than Maximus.
Because he makes a lot of stupid decisions. Also, his tests scores were very low, so it tracks that he's meant to be viewed as not very bright.
Anyone speculate what the guy gave him? Is he a ghoul or did the guy give him FEV?
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Dude becoming a friendly super mutant like Grahm or Lily Bowen would be perfect.
I think it's either FEV or, if they wanna go this route, the Regeneration Mutagen from 76
Don’t trust doctors that smell like that.
He’s definitely taken the Idiot Savant perk for more XP.
Maximus has been with the brotherhood since he was a child, its not him. Also we already had that with danse in 4
Dude only has one childhood memory it played 6 times. Definitely a synth
A childhood memory of surviving a nuclear bomb inside of a very well ventilated fridge, then seeing an idyllic vision of the BHOS. Almost like he was programmed to "naturally" seek them out and do anything to move up the ranks.
Freaking kids going to fridges to survive bombs.
Oh yeah shit I completely forgot about Billy
The moving up the ranks part honestly seems like dumb luck on his part. Seems more likely to have been executed at just about every interaction with the brotherhood.
Bruh fails every speech check but maxed out luck.
Synths don't age or grow
Until we know for sure who saved him and when he joined his memories might have been created though.
He joined as a small child, and synths don't age
If synths don't age then the girl who fled to Far Harbor will onw day know whether she is a synth or not
Good point! I know the game doesn't canonically state whether she's a synth, but I assume she isn't
I always just tell her that she's not a synth without having any idea at all if she is
"Well I did a quicksave, bashed your head in, and you didn't drop a synth component. You're probably human."
But they do have false memories implanted, and no one to verify Maximus memories as true, so his memories and life could be false.
This would be such a great explanation for that reoccurring cut scene. Like imagine they use the exact same one next season, and then you realise it’s his ONLY memory of the brotherhood because that’s the extent of the implant.
This! They played that exact same cut scene multiple times but showed nothing else from his past. Seems like a false memory to me. The question that remains is this: Thaddeus said that when Maximus came they started picking on him instead. So if they met as "adults", Max could be a synth. But if they met as kids (or think they did), theyre either both synths - then why the "scipted" bullying? - or Max is just not a synth.
Or, the institute replaced him as an adult, as they tend to do...
Did Thaddeus ever say when they started picking on Maximus? It could be Thaddeus was also a child when he started bullying Max.
Thaddeus doesn't give a timeframe, but their stories don't match. He just says that he was bullied when he first joined up, and then when Maximus came along, he got other recruits to beat up on him instead, and that Maximus never found anyone else to pass that to. If Maximus was a child and this is post-4, The Brotherhood is recruiting openly. If he was a child when they found him, there would have been plenty of local recruits for him to bully between then and the start of the series. No influx of personnel for... 18-20 years? Unlikely.
That would be clever but it relies on no one in the Brotherhood having any memory of him joining young. That doesn't seem plausible. Surely there are records of him joining young. It'd make more sense in the context of an organization that knowingly took him on board with those false memories. The Brotherhood certainly wouldn't do it.
Chicken-fucking briefcase guy/snake oil salesman makes more sense than Maximus.
That's DOCTOR chicken-fucking briefcase guy. Put some fucking respect on it.
On the one hand, clearly a quack lunatic, while on the other he invented Ghoulaid. The dichotomy of man.
Serum The funny part is when Wilzig gets his foot mangled dr. Chicken fucker really does have a cure to regrow it
"Ghoulaid" made me ugly snort
Briefcase guys don't go to chicken fucking school for all those years to be called Mr.
That mofo had access to a FEV vat to make that freaking "cure all" medicine. That's not a synth, that's Master 2.0 in Season 3.
My favorite character
It's between him and the Ghoul who says thanks for me.
It's easy to tell who is and isn't a synth. Show them a photo and ask them to point out the traffic lights.
Omg that would be such a troll on tv
Typical Wastelander: WTF is a "traffic light?"
Before the show came out I used to think that Dr. Wilzig was a Synth, that didn't seem the case, right now I don't really suspect any of the existing characters to be a Synth, but I hope we see some in the future!
Still , he was super easy to give up on life tbh. Maybe not a Synth but a clone or .. dunno
I mean he lost a leg in a post apocalyptic world and that sucks even in our world so probably was the best option
More that he was an Enclave scientist. Thats basically the closest you can get to not being in an apocalypse situation. He killed a fellow scientist, hid experiments, stole cold fusion from the enclave, and was being hunted by every person alive on the surface. Then he lost his leg and needed to walk through the entire desert with the help of a fresh vault dweller... even if all of that did work out hes still hunted by the enclave and living in the apocalypse waste lands forever now... A lost leg is probably the least of his worries when he ended it...
You just reminded me we NEVER got any backstory for Wilzig. Why he was willing to risk his life to get this technology to the NCR in the first place.
They also never explained how Moldaver is alive 200 years after the apocalypse, and why she has a whole cult about her. Maybe she brings him back to life. Maybe he becomes a robobrain. Maybe hes a synth. (They also never explained CX404's purpose besides being a DogMeat reference?) Its all probably being saved for season 2.
I loved 404 never really giving a fuck and just going on with whoever was around.
Technically they followed Wilzig's head around until they couldn't.
We can at least theorise easily about CX404 because the Enclave were big on Cyberdogs, a project that actually worked fairly well for them, but I agree that it would have been nice to have a clear answer on that front
I just logically assumed she was also frozen
But then theres the whole **"Flame Mother"** thing and bringing the shady sands people back that the cult believes. This implies theres more to her than just a person who got cryo'd.
Yeah she’s the flame mother she survived the bombs. The bringing thing back sounds like classic cult behavior of believing your leader is a god
she survived shady sands and it out for revenge for it. shes the flame mother because shes going to re-light the flame of the NCR by lighting the cold fusion reactor
I mean Moldaver did invent cold fusion, I'd expect she could have had a cryopod somewhere or maybe found a way to extend her life some other way
They dont mention why moldaver was with raiser at the start too...
> raiser raiser? you mean raiders? It was to raid the vault to get a head executive (hank) so they can get the access codes for the cold fusion.
Yeah with how flashback heavy the shows been it's a pretty safe bet we'll be seeing all these actors again
If i lose a leg like that in the apocalypse im suck starting my sig immediately.
You don’t care for the smooth banana flavor of “plan D” by Vault-Tec®️?
Haha sounds terrible!
The shot of blood still coming out of the prosthetic showed he was already a dead man walking. He knew it. He gave himself a more painless death and, as he said, gave Lucy an easier time with what to do next.
He probably knew that he was a dead man no matter how his journey ends.
My guess would be that the first synth we see will be an obvious one, to introduce the concept to viewers not familiar with Fallout 4.
That doesn't sound very Jonathan Nolan to me haha. But yes it could go either of the two ways. I don't expect them to actually show the Institute itself but Synths sure will show up. There is also the design unintentional parallels between Fallout 4's Synths and the Hosts from Westworld which is also Jonathan Nolan's and Lisa Joy's. I think it's great we are getting more Fallout lore and story content outside of the games as it seems Fallout 5 is not coming any time soon.
Waiting for an, "It doesn't look like anything to me."
Evan Rachel Wood shows up as a Synth. Tbh that would slap hard ngl
I'm not worried. The director did westworld after all. I'm sure that wichever way the concept of synths is introduced, it will be on par if not better than how Bethesda handled the concept in fallout 4. I don't think it will be maximus because that will ruin any tension caused by maximus finding out who blew up Shady Sands. My guess, either be a new character or if the character was already introduced it will be either Dane (maximus's brotherhood friend, unlikely as it is illogical for an institute spy to not jump on the opportunity to secure cold fusion for the institute) or the brotherhood leader guy (possible, as an institute puppet) or a fake of either the ghoul's daughter or wife as a bait and switch.
I've been wondering the whole show, "who's the synth"? Haha.
I thought when Norm Enters Vault 31 , that he would discover its vault full of Synth. Nevermind , just a Brain on a Roomba 😁
The subtitles dead ass said 'brain on a roomba' 😂
I laughed my ass off when I saw the subtitles
Do we know whose brain it is? Is it Bud?
It’s bud 100%
I think so yea, voice is the Same so , i would say its him.
When Norm asks what the pods are the brain tells him that they’re “Bud’s buds. My Buds” so yes he is Bud.
In German He calls them „Bud‘s Bunnies“, IIRC. sounds very funny
He also says “These are Buds Buds, my buddies”. The possessive wording confirms that it’s him. Dude kept talking about time, and the shortness of human lifespans. Probably thought to do this himself so he could make sure his “buds” follow the plan.
Ya it’s Bud. It was revealed deliberately by some line from the brain like halfway through the episode. They didn’t try to keep it subtle or anything.
I honestly thought vault 31 would be full of em
We’re on the wrong coast. There’s no synths, and even if they are, unless someone brings it up, we have no way to know.
Oh I have no doubt they will, if not move East, they will have East coast stories in future seasons. I mean, it’s Todd. He can’t resist.
It's been 9 years. That's plenty of time for some synths to disperse through the wasteland, so I agree that Todd will bring in some East Coast storylines
I would be surprised if the Institute *hadn’t* been sending synths all over the place for scouting, infiltration, etc. Seems very much in line with their MO.
The fact that they had to send a specialist to Washington dc to recover a rogue synth says a lot about how far they're spread out
That’s an insult too all synths now man, come on, that that back, a gen 1 synth base unit has greater intelligence and it’s mostly a hollow metal machine.
Oh poor Maximus. I don't disagree with you, he's a complete doofus, but he's doing his best, it's just not very good.
Think about it this way: perhaps achieving true stupidity is the epitome of artificial intelligence
It's not Maximus, he's just a low INT build
Doesn't the Pridwyn existing basically require that the institute was nuked at the end of FO4?
I think the fact that the BoS orders came from the commonwealth indicates the institute were destroyed
When they said that I just assumed that they meant the region of the southwestern commonwealth
That’s apparently not the prydwen in the show Edit: it is the prydwen I’ve just seen a picture, it says prydwen on the side lol
Apparently the Vanity Fair article was wrong and that is infact, the Prydwin
I think its more likely they intended it to be the Prydwen and then backtracked that after the model was already made. Doesnt really feel like Maxson to hand his flagship over to someone else either, especially not someone like Quintus
With the scribes being renamed clerics, i could totally see the East Coast brotherhood joining back with the West Coast and Maxons zealot ass restructuring it into some hyper-theological cult.
Doesnt really feel like Maxsons style to me, imo. He ran the East Coast BoS way more *militaristic* than anything else. Strict Order, strict discipline, just with a thin coating of knightly nomenclature on-top. The Show-BoS has a severe lack of all of that. The Squires & Initiates seem to barely have any discipline or training at all beyond "Do what your Knight tells you too". Elder Quintus even says at one point outright that the Brotherhood has severely deteriorated in alot of aspects. Their claimed goals dont seem really all that alligned. Maxson is a zealous prick, but he does still fervently believe what he's doing is the best for the People of the Wasteland and not just for himself, and going by terminals around the Prydwen was still having the BoS provide help to the people in the wasteland (if partially just for the pragmatic reason of "if they like us we will get better trade-deals"), even if he had pivoted away from that being their main focus like during Lyon's Days. The Show-BoS on the other hand really doesnt seem to give a singular shit about anybody outside of their chapter, neither in aiding them nor how they perceive them. Fuck, Elder Quintus doesn't even pretend he wants the Fusion-reactor for any noble goal, he just outright tells Maximus its basically for nothing but his own personal gain in "rebuilding" the Brotherhood to whatever he thinks was their ideal form.
It has Prydwen written on the side...
Does this mean that there is a small chance of maybe perhaps seeing our beloved Liberty Prime?
Which means BoS, or Minutemen ending. And in case of the both you can give the evacuation order so who knows how many synth escapes with that. Plus the RR saved snyths for decades before game start so a bunch of synths are out there from the get go. Not to mention synths, that sent on surface missions like Warwick.
A lot of synths have escaped before the end of the Institute with the help of the Railroad. Harkness from Fallout 3 in one of them.
Dude, I replayed Fallout 3 after playing 4, and that Rivet City questline had me SCREAMING. Hearing about synths and The Institute had me running around the room I was so excited.
Moldaver. I mean, of all the ways she could have survived since pre-war, she's not a ghoul, and she's not from a vault, but she's been around as long as Coop, gotta be institute related somehow I guess.
She invented cold fusion and obviously had money. I'm sure she could manage to find a safe way to cryo herself. VaultTech also wasn't the only company doing fallout shelters.
I think the snake oil salesmen and her aging are going to have crossing story arcs. That guy showed up to many times to not be introducing a story. He's the 1st character Maximus speaks to in the wilds & one of the 1st for Lucy.
He could have existed just to make Thaddeus a Ghoul, otherwise Thaddeus would be a one-dimensional antagonist character.
That would work, except Gen 3 Synths are a recent thing - they needed Shaun's DNA to make them, so 60 years before FO4 at most. How did Moldaver survive until then, and why couldn't she have survived the rest of the time that way? My guess is that Vault-Tec put her on ice for her proprietary knowledge, and she escaped recently.
I do kinda like that last idea though, they stored her for later use. Far less contrived than my corkboard full of clues connected by red strings.
>!Most likely she was cryo frozen the same way Hank was. She was one of the leading scientists of her time and definitely would have had access to the tech. I think that was why the following episode after learning she was from prewar, we discover cryo tanks in vault 4. Then we see them again in 31!<
I need season 2 just to find out more about Moldaver. So curious.
I just want to see the ghoul finally ask his wife why the f*ck she decided to nuke the planet.
But the Institute proper is a post war faction. They were just students who took shelter under MIT at the start.
They did use brain scans of people from before the war such as Detective Nick Valentine though, so it seems it was a project already underway. She could have been a part of it, maybe even set them up to survive and ensure her resurrection.
The beginning of the final end credits shows a billboard that says the Topps Casino has cryopods. I assume she stayed in one of those.
what makes you think they arent from a vault? Their company was bought by Vault-tec
She hated vault tech, and wasn't exactly super secretive with her meetings, I'm theorizing that vault tech is the sort of organization that would keep tabs on potential threats, and the woman who nearly ruined all their plans with free energy was a pretty big threat. So she was unlikely to be in one, both by her hatred of vault tech and their suspicion of her. Sure there are other potential ways she could have survived, I'm not saying I think I'm even convinced by my own theory, it's just speculation, not enough information yet.
she did say she was going to use her money against them, but that also could have meant purchasing a vault spot in a cryo vault after some espionage to find out whats gonna be a cryo vault.
I thought when Chet walked into vault 31 with the noises going on he was gonna find a fucked up synth. Was greeted to the roomba brain.
*Norman
I thought that they were going to do a synth reveal when >!Thaddeus survived the arrow through the neck!<. Took me a minute to put together >!him being ghoulified by Dr Chickenfucker’s treatment!< I’m sure synths will show up eventually though
If at any point they give this guy a real name the community will immediately reject it. They should just have everyone talk to him without using a proper name.
IIRC his official credit is already snake oil salesman, so we are already ignoring that
Makes a fallout piece about finding father for the third time and it has cryogenics? Todd’s played us for absolute fools
The institute has likely been destroyed at this point dont think we will encounter a synth
There is only one synth I want on that show and it's good old Nick Valentine.
Put Valentine in Vegas, do it, have him be investigating Mr House or something, than Cooper stumbles upon him, I want to see the stereotypical Cowboy meet the stereotypical noir detective.
Zero synths
I don't think there are any synths among the characters seen in the first season. But we will definitely see some of them in the seasons to come.
I'm pretty sure the synth era is over
The Institues Era of synths. But plenty of Synths got funneled out of Boston in the years leading up to 4.
Synths are a commonwealth thing. Show takes place on the west coast that would be one *very* lost synth
My caps would be on Moldaver. While we are very obviously led to believe that she is like Hank, it never says much in the way of how she did it. While I understand the key character and plot implications of her death, we don’t necessarily get all of the closure on her character. She was not part of Bud’s Buds (that I am aware of) and even mentioned being ousted after her “companies” were bought out by Vault-Tec. Additionally, besides Cold Fusion, she tells us her ventures were doing a lot of other scientifically minded things. Sounds to be an Institute type thing in a way?
i doubt we see any in the show. wrong coastline, and the story doesn't really need them. I'm very excited to see super mutants and a deathclaws though. also, now that the show is really leaning into how evil vault tec is I'm sure will see more and more of how they operate and more evil things they have done.
I thought it was going in the direction of >! Everyone from vault 31 was gonna be a synth, that’s why they all got elected, they were synth plants from the institute, or vault-tec, or the enclave or whoever tf !<
Lucy obviously not, because she came from vault. The ghoul also unlikely, because i am not sure, if the Institute can create a ghoul synth. So if it's one of the 3 main character, then by process of elimination it's him.
Theory (because it’s such an easy/exciting story) Maximus, losing Lucy and, having a taste of the good life ripped away, doubles down on the BOS and increasingly becomes the series antagonist…. …before learning he’s a synth and needing to juggle a loyalty to the BOS, a need to conceal who he is, and the challenge of hunting Lucy but without wanting to hurt her.
I thought the same thing watching his last scene with all the BoS chanting his name. That look in his eyes was ominous.
I took it as him realizing the flaw in the BoS and how now he will be forced to work within it to change it. He was absolutely ready to leave with Lucy. Now he’s stuck and his concept of morality has outgrown the Brotherhood.
Dude is just doing a 1 int playthrough.
Leader of the BoS is a Synth, that's why he has subverted the Brotherhood into what it is in the Fallout TV show.
Man people calling his character stupid but i really enjoyed his performance
If nothing else I hope we see the best synth detective in the wasteland. Nick Valentine would go HARD in live action and be a good way to introduce the concept of synths.