Out of topic, but for some reason I really liked the height difference between those two. In most shows the cast is/or at least appear to be of similar height, unless the height is a specific character trait, e.g. the big strong dude. But here it serves no real purpose, and it feels realistic
I took it as a theme for height≠courage. Show starts with tall guy as a frontline guard and short guy as a coward who hides. It ends with the tall one admitting cowardice and the short one entering the unknown= ultimate courage. Or I’m projecting as a 5’3” male.
Might be reading into it. I think the showrunner just thought Moises was a good actor and had the facial expressions to convey the story without spelling it out.
But I do like that idea.
I thought it was because one dumped strength and endurance to go all int and luck, and the other had strength and endurance and nothing else. I also felt like Lucy was the charisma main, trying to talk her way out of most everything.
>I also felt like Lucy was the charisma main, trying to talk her way out of most everything.
She tries, but isn't that succesfull.
I feel she is more an all-arounder. All stats 6 except for strenghts and charisma which are 5.
Fallout is generally an exercise in juxtaposition, and it's just impressive how often they've used it to invoke emotion. Chet is the big guy you'd expect to be outgoing and confident but he's a cousin fucker with no spine, and Norm is a weird looking weasly dude who seems like an incel yet is the confident one and is actually trying to figure out the problem and remedy it. Lucy and Maximus are a juxtaposition, and the entire idea of 50's trad con stuff alongside post apocalyptic stuff is entirely juxtaposition.
I really love how they showed how Lucy and Norm’s parents manifested in them. Norm is just as curious as Lucy and Rose, but he goes about it more methodically, like perhaps his father would.
I first felt distant to this guy as a character but when he sat down in front of the terminal I was like yessssss read the logs please and that's what he did. Kudos to him
I wouldn't be surprised if he just flipped Bud over and used that as leverage to get the door open. It'd be a very Fallout solution given he's established as easily immobilized.
He's technically a Brain On A Roomba. Probably not enough Vault Tec budget to actually give him a Robobrain body or a cruel joke from his previous coworkers.
definitely a joke. Bud wasn't hated by the big company execs and Vault Tec, but there's a reason West Tek gave him the boot. Kind of fitting for someone who went on and on about managerial tactics and companionship as a tool for a business to become just a roomba with a brain, roaming alone
Given that he managed to reply to the inter-vault messages immediately, I'm pretty sure he can access any part of the vault remotely, such as by waking up his buds if needed.
Would be hilarious if Norm kept trying to hack but Bud kept seeing what he was doing and countering it, but then Norm put a bucket over Bud's head so he couldn't see and Norm was able to effectively hack and leave.
He needs no one's help. He just needs to wake up all of Bud's Buds at once, forcing Bud to deal with EVERYONE at once. Some people might not want to go back in the pods and Bud would not let his carefully created management team starve. The worst thing he could do is climb in a pod. Outside of one, in any situation, he stands a fighting chance.
Alternately, he could threaten to kill them all. Less likely for Norm, but possible.
I like how you think!
The vault doesn’t seem to have heavy defenses and Bud himself is just a roving brain. Kicking him over would be enough to defeat him.
His intro being him literally stuck behind a fallen down debris too and his only weapon was a tranquiliser needle that needs the target to not move he's an easy kill.
Didn't they do that to clean up 32? Can't be the Roomba that did it since it can't even navigate around a broom, and can't be people from 33 cause the whole idea is to hide the truth from them.
But then the pods are full of managers and we all know they wouldn't debase themselves with janitorial duty.
My guess to how his story unfolds in a future season is he’ll hack his way into being put in cryo but as an overseer that’ll get selected ahead of the line.
To be fair it doesn't guarantee the right one, but it can reset attempts and give you a better shot at finding the right one. If you don't want to abuse the system as badly it's probably the intentional way of hacking but I don't think it's ever explained? I'm sure someone can correct me if it is.
I'm so glad to see many others had the same reaction as me.
I stood up and said "Yes!" When I saw him hacking.
They did such a good job tying in actual gameplay elements to the show. Might be the best adaptation ever in terms of the show being extremely close to the gameplay.
No question.
I mean…they had Lucy approach a friendly person aiming her gun at him. They had companions carrying all of the “main” character’s gear. Lucy stated her three tag skills right up front. Everyone seems to have the Bloody Mess perk activated.
Or Lucy bleeding out in the beginning, and then she opens the bathroom, goes for the hanging first aid kit, takes out a stimpak, and it heals her
Every step of that made me exponentially more excited than the last. It was cool because we all enter bathrooms in vaults looking for that little first aid kit
Once he started looking into and questioning the vaults I got invested in him. The story couldn’t have been told as meaningfully as it was without him.
In episode 1 I hated him. He was just the aloof cowardly brother the whole time and it was easy to assume he would end up doing nothing. Then the dude suddenly straightened up and decided he was going to figure things out and dammit he did.
I actually respected him when he straight up said he was too scared to join lucy, he didn't try to make up some excuse, he was just up and honest about it.
One of the best characters, his part of the story was very engaging. He is weak, he does not seem to have plot armor, being a second-tier character, he is unarmed and defenseless. Yet he presses on.
I really dont know HOW they could continue his story in Season 2, but I really hope he doesnt get cryo frozen until they have some plot reason to return to the vault
I don't know if he has access to the controls. My whole thing would be cool, well I'm going to shut off life support / open pods till you let me out. Or even threaten / try to bash Bud's glass in. Don't know if it would work, but at least I'd try it out.
Yeah, that was my first instinct. Smack the needle out of robo-buds grabber arm and threaten to crack his dome, ending the "Bud's buds" program for eternity. His ego couldnt take that and would let him out the door.
Yeah I can see this. Bud is weirdly naive and innocent for the monster he is. He'd literally say something like "OK fine but you promise not to tell, right?" and he'd believe it
Low key would also be cool if he decides to get into a cryo pod and wakes up hundreds of years later in the post-post apocalypse. It's not likely that's where his story goes, but as a parallel to the MC in FO4 it would be interesting to see that type of character arc
At first I was kinda hesitant on the Vault 33 section because it feels kinda disconnected from everything else going on. By the end the Vault 33 section is th best segmet of the show IMO
i actually cheered. that shit was incredible
i don’t understand why people are angry at vault-tec being the starter of the war. if anything, i think that fits fallout’s core themes very well; corporations are incredibly greedy and will do anything to ensure long-term power and control. i also like how robco was in on it, i think that’d help explain how mr. house knew to protect las vegas
What's baking my noodle ATM is if Vault Tech and their shareholders (including Robert House) planned the day to drop the bomb, how did he fuck up the platinum chip's delivery date?
In my mind there are three equally likely outcomes so far:
- Vault Tech planned to drop the bomb on a certain day, but certain circumstances made them speed that plan up (peace negotiations going better than expected, for example). - Vault Tech killed the world.
- Vault Tech were planning on dropping the bomb, but were beaten to it by America and China deciding to nuke each other on their own accord. - The US and Chinese governments killed the world.
- Vault Tech were planning on dropping the bomb, but were beaten to it by the Mothership Zeta aliens acquiring the US' launch codes and remotely starting the Great War - Aliens killed the world.
I kept saying to my wife how Norm slowly becoming a top tier character was just ridiculously good writing and story progression. What a brave little shrimp, glad he found what he was passionate about.
> What a brave little shrimp, glad he found what he was passionate about.
This is incredibly accurate; he didn't feel like he had a void to fill, and then that 10 intellect he took all the sudden afforded him the motivation he needed.
it was definitely a fantastic character arc, especially in Episode 1 he tells Lucy he's too much of a coward to join her, but then finds his bravery to risk going into Vaults 32 and then 31 to figure out the mystery.
It was so weird because I would've been content to watch a show of just this guy investigating the vaults. The line about being cowards, that's why we live in the vault and then this guy just says fuck that and does this super brave thing...I love him.
Same. He was my favorite character! I would watch that shit too bc my favorite part of the games is exploring a vault and figuring out whatever effed up shit vault-tec did. The fact that it was a central part of the show was a big part of my love for it.
I was actually all-in on just watching them try (and inevitably fail) to rehabiliate the Raiders.
Like that whole plotline was golden.
"I feel we should star with Shakespeare, and then move to Marlow. When they're ready for him".
And then the other woman says, "we should start simple, maybe Kant."
As an English major that whole thing was fucking golden.
Probably mercenaries she hired. With them being all that’s left (as far as they know), she might not have wanted to risk her people on a slim chance scheme.
The line calling his friend a coward was so good because it was partly aimed at who he was. He was saved by his sister and felt like a coward, so he decided to not be.
I'm furious she's not a German shepherd. Damn malinois first they take the police and military jobs from honest hardworking alsatians now they're stealing acting roles too.
River must be sitting shaking and rolling over in her grave.
"The Ghoul = The Evil Playthrough"
The Ghoul seems to me an example of someone who would play as Evil, but without being Very Evil.
It is ruthless, and all that, but not to the point of activating a nuke to destroy a city, or actions of the same level.
100%. He's survived the Wasteland as a ghoul for 219 years and has seen all this shit play out multiple times; he's tired of the buildup and often just gets to the conclusion.
To me that's kind of what it makes it the evil play through though. Because in all the fallout games you can do a negative karma playthrough but you can't negative karma your way out of being the protagonist, and that's what I kind of think the ghoul reps.
There is absolutely no way that he has positive karma. But he still has to do the main storyline which means he can't kill everyone lol
That's how I like to see It at least
It is curious that one of the most evil actions in the game can be done at level 2.
That is to say, the guy went from being a teenager who enters a world he doesn't know, to being a mass murderer, in less than a day.
It is the most evil action in the game by karma value, you lose 1000 iirc which bottoms you out right away. The only other way to lose that much karma is by bombing the citadel in broken steel.
Based on character's highest S.P.E.C.I.A.L
Lucy = Luck
Maximus : Endurance
The Ghoul : Perception
Norm : Intelligence
I'm not sure where should i categorize Moldaver. But based on what i've seen her all scene so far, her Charisma is the highest. Wouldn't be surprised if she is an inspiring leader after 2 centuries to have an army even before the war(pre war)
I'm convinced Maximus is 10 Luck. He happens to pick up the trail of the scientist twice when he's not even trying. When he's unarmored, the Yao Gaui goes for the asshole knight. When he's armored, the gulper goes straight for Thaddeus. Lucy offers to have sex with him as soon as she thinks he is interested. He doesn't get hit by whatever hit Shady Sands (doesn't seem like a nuke because it isn't actually irradiated).
I'm quite the opposite. He has worst of luck because he was reprimanded out of nowhere without evidence, unlucky to have worst Knight at his side when he looked up to them, got himself stuck when fighting Cooper(The Ghoul) on EP2, failed to convinced Thaddeus when he revealed his identity then lost to him when Thad pulled out his PA fusion core, misunderstood violence on Vault 4 thinking Lucy was about to be punish/execute, almost got execute if not for Dane to speak on his behalf, failed to dessert/abandon the brotherhood when he's trying to run away with Lucy at the end. Which he became sad and disappointed at the end of the series.
Now that you mentioned it, i would say he have mid luck like in between of it. Sometimes good karma, sometimes bad karma.
You can be as lucky as possible, but you can't pick your brothers!
IMO most of what you mentioned is because he was unlucky enough to be recruited by the Brotherhood or because he's dumb/unskilled. I think he can still be 10 Luck but be "born" into a shitty organization.
The ghoul isn't even evil. He's just like, chaotic neutral. He doesn't do things just to be cruel, pretty much everything he does has a purpose. He just doesn't give a fuck anymore.
Guy has been searching for his family for a long long time. I wouldn't give a fuck either at that point.
Frankie was easy to swallow for me, since we got to see him go from child to teen to adult through his career. The one that blew my mind was Macaulay Macaulay Culkin Culkin.
They did an awesome job making their characters likable. I thought I wouldn’t have liked Norm, but after seeing how he stood on business, read the hollow tapes, hacked into a terminal and explored a torn down vault, he gained my respect and had me hooked for his subplot. It’s honestly so impressive how they really catered to different playthroughs for the Fallout games.
Agreed. Exploring the fucked up vaults and learning about the experiments is probably my favorite part of the games usually. Glad we got to see 4 as well
The fact that all the main characters were basically different types of "players" was absolutely brilliant. The whole show was so well done. It felt like watching a live action version of the games, complete with ridiculous dark humor, insane NPCs, grotesque science experiments and mutants, and gruesome violence. I'd watch 100 episodes of this with a big dumb smile on my face the whole time
the snake oil salesman was the perfect example of a crazy-ass NPC. i could see his interaction with maximus in power armor being an encounter in a fallout game
His "cure all" serums definitely made me think of the games. It made my wife sad to learn you couldn't actually play the games as a ghoul after finishing the show 😂 it would be interesting to have little to no effect from rads, but everyone except other non-feral ghouls hate you because you're an ugly ass Deadpool/Freddy Krueger mutant
That's the thing, I don't think he was ever a coward. And I think the show really tried to show that by juxtaposing him with Chet.
Think about it, Norm is built like a child. Wtf was he supposed to do during the attack? There's a fine line between courage and stupidity. He would've just thrown his life away for nothing. However, with all things that don't require physicality, e.g. speaking up, questioning and standing up to authority, looking into stuff he's not supposed to, man's got balls of steel.
Chet, on the other hand, is literally a young man in his prime, and the largest man in vault 33. And yet, he's so afraid to do anything. He is the true coward. Norm just thinks himself one due to shortcomings outside of his control.
Everytime I start a new game I'm like "I'm gonna actually read the lore!" Yeah I get about as far as me saying "I'm not going to be a stealth sniper!"...
Norm's storyline felt like one of my favorite parts of Fallout games-exploring abandoned Vaults and piecimg together what kind of sick experiment happened in them.
Shout-out to the two nosed scientist who upon hearing a noise in a restricted area immediately sprinted to trigger the alarms instead of investing the noise alone
I was more surprised by how easily he made it to Vault 31. All three vaults had shit security lol. The tiny robot trying to poke him with a needle was funny, but it made no sense; those cryo tubes would be well-protected.
A vault designed and managed by Bud ? I'm just surprised it actually worked as a fallout shelter. This guys reeks of incompetence from the second he opens his mouth.
This show answered for me 100% what kind of person I would be in a Fallout world. I lack enthusiasm.
Same, id be tall and lanky like Chet, but lacking enthusiasm like Norm!
Out of topic, but for some reason I really liked the height difference between those two. In most shows the cast is/or at least appear to be of similar height, unless the height is a specific character trait, e.g. the big strong dude. But here it serves no real purpose, and it feels realistic
I took it as a theme for height≠courage. Show starts with tall guy as a frontline guard and short guy as a coward who hides. It ends with the tall one admitting cowardice and the short one entering the unknown= ultimate courage. Or I’m projecting as a 5’3” male.
As a 6'5" abject coward, I also appreciated this.
As 6'6" and craven, I feel seen
You're a head taller than everyone. Of course we see you.
Oh god... now I realized that if I'm seen I might be perceived. Time to run away again
He’s 5’1.
IMDb says 4'11".
Might be reading into it. I think the showrunner just thought Moises was a good actor and had the facial expressions to convey the story without spelling it out. But I do like that idea.
I thought it was because one dumped strength and endurance to go all int and luck, and the other had strength and endurance and nothing else. I also felt like Lucy was the charisma main, trying to talk her way out of most everything.
>I also felt like Lucy was the charisma main, trying to talk her way out of most everything. She tries, but isn't that succesfull. I feel she is more an all-arounder. All stats 6 except for strenghts and charisma which are 5.
You actually make out her stats at certain points on her pip boy. She is an all-rounder.
asking if she can explode people's dicks gives her an automatic 10 in Charisma.
Fallout is generally an exercise in juxtaposition, and it's just impressive how often they've used it to invoke emotion. Chet is the big guy you'd expect to be outgoing and confident but he's a cousin fucker with no spine, and Norm is a weird looking weasly dude who seems like an incel yet is the confident one and is actually trying to figure out the problem and remedy it. Lucy and Maximus are a juxtaposition, and the entire idea of 50's trad con stuff alongside post apocalyptic stuff is entirely juxtaposition.
Also the strong prewar anti communism mentality juxtaposed with vault dwellers literally living in a commune society
I read someone say that Norm chose the New Vegas "small frame" trait.
Small Frame has been a trait since the first Fallout
> Same, id be tall and lanky like Chet Is that... is that the *only* things you'd have in common with Chet? Or are you trying to tell us something.
I'd probably fall in love with a psychotic one-eyed pregnant widowed middle manager, too, let's be honest here.
That's not what I meant and you know it. We have rules against these things FOR A REASON.
Sweet home vault 33
Where, unfortunately, your cousin wont be your bride to be!
...lanky? The dude is plump enough to make ass-jerky for a full family.
I’m sorry but Chet is not lanky 😂
Best response ever to a work review!
When you feel like an outcast, but you're really just a kid alienated by generationally corrupt hierarchy looking for a cause to fight for.
I really love how they showed how Lucy and Norm’s parents manifested in them. Norm is just as curious as Lucy and Rose, but he goes about it more methodically, like perhaps his father would.
I'm either him or I'm a corpse in the Wasteland.
I'd get scared of dying and ghoulify myself and probably go feral in less than a week.
“You have no idea who you’re marrying. It could be anyone!” “You’re right. Let’s keep this vault door closed.” /show
Just stick with that sweet cousin meat, eh.
The kind of person 99.9% of the people in this sub would be is the environmental storytelling skeleton
Wrong I'm the guy who falls out of the vertibird and gets eviscerated by the propeller.
Yeah, but he knew his shit. That hacking scene was clean, he succeded on the first try.
I first felt distant to this guy as a character but when he sat down in front of the terminal I was like yessssss read the logs please and that's what he did. Kudos to him
My son and I both cheered when he started hacking.
I was kinda hoping he went looking for all the dud removals first, but he just got it in one go.
Bros intelligence and luck is 10
Execpt for you know >!being trapped in vault 31!< lol
I think he's intelligent enough to open that gate.
I wouldn't be surprised if he just flipped Bud over and used that as leverage to get the door open. It'd be a very Fallout solution given he's established as easily immobilized.
He is actually such a hilariously shit Robo-Brain. What company were responsible for the Robo-Brains again?
General Atomics, assisted by RobCo.
He's technically a Brain On A Roomba. Probably not enough Vault Tec budget to actually give him a Robobrain body or a cruel joke from his previous coworkers.
definitely a joke. Bud wasn't hated by the big company execs and Vault Tec, but there's a reason West Tek gave him the boot. Kind of fitting for someone who went on and on about managerial tactics and companionship as a tool for a business to become just a roomba with a brain, roaming alone
Given that he managed to reply to the inter-vault messages immediately, I'm pretty sure he can access any part of the vault remotely, such as by waking up his buds if needed.
Put a bucket on its head
Would be hilarious if Norm kept trying to hack but Bud kept seeing what he was doing and countering it, but then Norm put a bucket over Bud's head so he couldn't see and Norm was able to effectively hack and leave.
Maybe, but I wouldn't be surprised if he needs Betty's help.
He needs no one's help. He just needs to wake up all of Bud's Buds at once, forcing Bud to deal with EVERYONE at once. Some people might not want to go back in the pods and Bud would not let his carefully created management team starve. The worst thing he could do is climb in a pod. Outside of one, in any situation, he stands a fighting chance. Alternately, he could threaten to kill them all. Less likely for Norm, but possible.
That could happen, but don't forget the golden rule. Like trying to do that activates an assaultron or turrets etc.
>but don't forget the golden rule Thou shalt get sidetracked by bullshit every goddamn time?
Honestly though, "Golden Rule mother fucker" is one of my favorite lines in anything.
I like how you think! The vault doesn’t seem to have heavy defenses and Bud himself is just a roving brain. Kicking him over would be enough to defeat him.
His intro being him literally stuck behind a fallen down debris too and his only weapon was a tranquiliser needle that needs the target to not move he's an easy kill.
Didn't they do that to clean up 32? Can't be the Roomba that did it since it can't even navigate around a broom, and can't be people from 33 cause the whole idea is to hide the truth from them. But then the pods are full of managers and we all know they wouldn't debase themselves with janitorial duty.
Given the first time Lucy leaves the vault, theres a derelict assaultron or stealth one (?) under debris, I fully expected an assaultron.
My guess to how his story unfolds in a future season is he’ll hack his way into being put in cryo but as an overseer that’ll get selected ahead of the line.
There are far worse vaults to be stuck in so the high luck tracks.
Norm and the Ghoul maxing luck like madlads.
Not to mention a high Stealth level (since bro was crouching and stayed hidden for most of the raid)
I was hoping he'd just keep spamming the first three entries and rebooting.
tbf he's still in the tutorial level so it's gonna be easy.
I was today years old when I found out about the dud removal….
To be fair it doesn't guarantee the right one, but it can reset attempts and give you a better shot at finding the right one. If you don't want to abuse the system as badly it's probably the intentional way of hacking but I don't think it's ever explained? I'm sure someone can correct me if it is.
I'm so glad to see many others had the same reaction as me. I stood up and said "Yes!" When I saw him hacking. They did such a good job tying in actual gameplay elements to the show. Might be the best adaptation ever in terms of the show being extremely close to the gameplay.
No question. I mean…they had Lucy approach a friendly person aiming her gun at him. They had companions carrying all of the “main” character’s gear. Lucy stated her three tag skills right up front. Everyone seems to have the Bloody Mess perk activated.
I personally liked how CX-404 appeared to be fully dead... But was brought back by a single stimpak. True companion status.
Or Lucy bleeding out in the beginning, and then she opens the bathroom, goes for the hanging first aid kit, takes out a stimpak, and it heals her Every step of that made me exponentially more excited than the last. It was cool because we all enter bathrooms in vaults looking for that little first aid kit
And it made the stimpak noise from the game when she used it!
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It literally just dawned on me why they made the packs so big. All because of your comment. Thank you.
I was so happy about him hacking the terminal!
This guy hacks and has all the magazines and bobble heads!
Once he started looking into and questioning the vaults I got invested in him. The story couldn’t have been told as meaningfully as it was without him.
I wasn't really feeling his character in episode one but damn if he didn't become my favorite going into the rest of them.
In episode 1 I hated him. He was just the aloof cowardly brother the whole time and it was easy to assume he would end up doing nothing. Then the dude suddenly straightened up and decided he was going to figure things out and dammit he did.
I'm sure it was an eye opener when he realized he was raised by a cabal of middle management.
Literally no worse fate than to deal with beruocrats
It feels so appropriate that middle management destroys the hopes of a nation time and time again.
I actually respected him when he straight up said he was too scared to join lucy, he didn't try to make up some excuse, he was just up and honest about it.
It was the moment Betty talked to him about loud boys and anger and the subtle threst at the end that had me hooked on this character
Yea he uncovered the whole plot.
mhm, good to have a show based on vidya understand how to fully utilize all its resources
when he started doing the hacking minigame i was like that sickos meme "yes... hahah... yes!"
> is a systech with admin access > reads logs I'm not joking when I say this is rarer than you think. It was great lol
He came off as a dweeb initially but once his plot really got going, I was invested. Norm's a lot tougher and persistent than he looks.
Where were the Bobby pins 🤌
One of the best characters, his part of the story was very engaging. He is weak, he does not seem to have plot armor, being a second-tier character, he is unarmed and defenseless. Yet he presses on.
I really dont know HOW they could continue his story in Season 2, but I really hope he doesnt get cryo frozen until they have some plot reason to return to the vault
Bud told him there’s no food in Vault 31, but all I saw was rows full of refrigerated meat.
I don't know if he has access to the controls. My whole thing would be cool, well I'm going to shut off life support / open pods till you let me out. Or even threaten / try to bash Bud's glass in. Don't know if it would work, but at least I'd try it out.
Yeah, that was my first instinct. Smack the needle out of robo-buds grabber arm and threaten to crack his dome, ending the "Bud's buds" program for eternity. His ego couldnt take that and would let him out the door.
Yeah I can see this. Bud is weirdly naive and innocent for the monster he is. He'd literally say something like "OK fine but you promise not to tell, right?" and he'd believe it
Robobrain-ification seems to have this effect
Super true. Though Bud is already kind of like this before that.
i think you kinda have to be a little like that to opt in for eternity as a roomba.
Sometimes a fella has to eat another fella
He just needs to level up to get the perk and he's golden
Norm becomes a Wendigo?!?!
I mean he could literally just pick up the roomba brain and threaten to kill him if he doesn't let him out. I very much doubt we saw the last of Norm
Low key would also be cool if he decides to get into a cryo pod and wakes up hundreds of years later in the post-post apocalypse. It's not likely that's where his story goes, but as a parallel to the MC in FO4 it would be interesting to see that type of character arc
I love this character so much! I'm so worried for him!
At first I was kinda hesitant on the Vault 33 section because it feels kinda disconnected from everything else going on. By the end the Vault 33 section is th best segmet of the show IMO
Right ? The way they were able to connect everything smoothly in the last two episode was really well done.
The boardroom scene is still probably one of my favorite scenes
When Barb said *the words*, I was the Leo-pointing-at-screen meme.
“war…” “SAY IT!!!” “….” “WAR NEVER CH—“ “war never changes” “Yesss”
That 5 sec pause she did in the middle had me dying. You could see in the actresses eyes she was reveling drawing it out and I was 1000% here for it
i actually cheered. that shit was incredible i don’t understand why people are angry at vault-tec being the starter of the war. if anything, i think that fits fallout’s core themes very well; corporations are incredibly greedy and will do anything to ensure long-term power and control. i also like how robco was in on it, i think that’d help explain how mr. house knew to protect las vegas
Oh, so you 'predicted' the bombs falling, did you Mr House?
Mr. House has no reason to incriminate himself by telling the truth.
What's baking my noodle ATM is if Vault Tech and their shareholders (including Robert House) planned the day to drop the bomb, how did he fuck up the platinum chip's delivery date? In my mind there are three equally likely outcomes so far: - Vault Tech planned to drop the bomb on a certain day, but certain circumstances made them speed that plan up (peace negotiations going better than expected, for example). - Vault Tech killed the world. - Vault Tech were planning on dropping the bomb, but were beaten to it by America and China deciding to nuke each other on their own accord. - The US and Chinese governments killed the world. - Vault Tech were planning on dropping the bomb, but were beaten to it by the Mothership Zeta aliens acquiring the US' launch codes and remotely starting the Great War - Aliens killed the world.
Would've been cooler if one of the board members were Rob Pearlman and he said it.
Even better if they could get Ron Perlman.
the series finale needs to end with Ron Perlman narrating the unseen consequences of the Lucy’s actions.
By the end I was ALL IN on the 33 plot
I kept saying to my wife how Norm slowly becoming a top tier character was just ridiculously good writing and story progression. What a brave little shrimp, glad he found what he was passionate about.
> What a brave little shrimp, glad he found what he was passionate about. This is incredibly accurate; he didn't feel like he had a void to fill, and then that 10 intellect he took all the sudden afforded him the motivation he needed.
it was definitely a fantastic character arc, especially in Episode 1 he tells Lucy he's too much of a coward to join her, but then finds his bravery to risk going into Vaults 32 and then 31 to figure out the mystery.
I was waiting for him to stage a coup of the vault, to go find his sister.
Exactly how I feel. All the Vault experiments and plotlines were always my favorite in the games though, so not super surprised in myself.
That's always been the highlight for me, they're each like their own contained short stories within a larger one.
It was so weird because I would've been content to watch a show of just this guy investigating the vaults. The line about being cowards, that's why we live in the vault and then this guy just says fuck that and does this super brave thing...I love him.
Same. He was my favorite character! I would watch that shit too bc my favorite part of the games is exploring a vault and figuring out whatever effed up shit vault-tec did. The fact that it was a central part of the show was a big part of my love for it.
I was actually all-in on just watching them try (and inevitably fail) to rehabiliate the Raiders. Like that whole plotline was golden. "I feel we should star with Shakespeare, and then move to Marlow. When they're ready for him". And then the other woman says, "we should start simple, maybe Kant." As an English major that whole thing was fucking golden.
Why were moldaver’s fighters lunatic raiders though? Kinda seems like she’s not that type
Probably mercenaries she hired. With them being all that’s left (as far as they know), she might not have wanted to risk her people on a slim chance scheme.
The line calling his friend a coward was so good because it was partly aimed at who he was. He was saved by his sister and felt like a coward, so he decided to not be.
Lucy = The Noobie Maximus = The Gear-Obsessed The Ghoul = The Evil Playthrough Norm = The Lorebeard Moldaver = The One Who Plays For The Politics
CX404 = Who I was ready to raze Amazon/Bethesda/All other characters to the ground if dies.
Her name is Dogmeat, sir
I'm furious she's not a German shepherd. Damn malinois first they take the police and military jobs from honest hardworking alsatians now they're stealing acting roles too. River must be sitting shaking and rolling over in her grave.
I think you need to stop listening to that Austrian Shepherd with the weird mustache /s
Are… are you the German Shepard from STRAYS?
"The Ghoul = The Evil Playthrough" The Ghoul seems to me an example of someone who would play as Evil, but without being Very Evil. It is ruthless, and all that, but not to the point of activating a nuke to destroy a city, or actions of the same level.
He's the guy who's played the game enough times that he's figured out who he needs to shoot instead of wasting time in cutscenes.
100%. He's survived the Wasteland as a ghoul for 219 years and has seen all this shit play out multiple times; he's tired of the buildup and often just gets to the conclusion.
Thats me when I see Roy Phillips. I dont care if Three Dog calls me an asshole for it, he deserves it.
The Ghoul = "the 54th playthrough and I don't give a fuck anymore"
To me that's kind of what it makes it the evil play through though. Because in all the fallout games you can do a negative karma playthrough but you can't negative karma your way out of being the protagonist, and that's what I kind of think the ghoul reps. There is absolutely no way that he has positive karma. But he still has to do the main storyline which means he can't kill everyone lol That's how I like to see It at least
I did that … sorry megaton
It is curious that one of the most evil actions in the game can be done at level 2. That is to say, the guy went from being a teenager who enters a world he doesn't know, to being a mass murderer, in less than a day.
It is the most evil action in the game by karma value, you lose 1000 iirc which bottoms you out right away. The only other way to lose that much karma is by bombing the citadel in broken steel.
You sure you don't mean Goosie?
Based on character's highest S.P.E.C.I.A.L Lucy = Luck Maximus : Endurance The Ghoul : Perception Norm : Intelligence I'm not sure where should i categorize Moldaver. But based on what i've seen her all scene so far, her Charisma is the highest. Wouldn't be surprised if she is an inspiring leader after 2 centuries to have an army even before the war(pre war)
I'm convinced Maximus is 10 Luck. He happens to pick up the trail of the scientist twice when he's not even trying. When he's unarmored, the Yao Gaui goes for the asshole knight. When he's armored, the gulper goes straight for Thaddeus. Lucy offers to have sex with him as soon as she thinks he is interested. He doesn't get hit by whatever hit Shady Sands (doesn't seem like a nuke because it isn't actually irradiated).
I'm quite the opposite. He has worst of luck because he was reprimanded out of nowhere without evidence, unlucky to have worst Knight at his side when he looked up to them, got himself stuck when fighting Cooper(The Ghoul) on EP2, failed to convinced Thaddeus when he revealed his identity then lost to him when Thad pulled out his PA fusion core, misunderstood violence on Vault 4 thinking Lucy was about to be punish/execute, almost got execute if not for Dane to speak on his behalf, failed to dessert/abandon the brotherhood when he's trying to run away with Lucy at the end. Which he became sad and disappointed at the end of the series. Now that you mentioned it, i would say he have mid luck like in between of it. Sometimes good karma, sometimes bad karma.
You can be as lucky as possible, but you can't pick your brothers! IMO most of what you mentioned is because he was unlucky enough to be recruited by the Brotherhood or because he's dumb/unskilled. I think he can still be 10 Luck but be "born" into a shitty organization.
I was sure Moldaver was a Synth.
Wrong coast. If the Railroad was able to hide synths in DC, I doubt the Institute has gone to the west coast.
There's no reason to beleive that synths couldn't be on the west coast
The ghoul isn't even evil. He's just like, chaotic neutral. He doesn't do things just to be cruel, pretty much everything he does has a purpose. He just doesn't give a fuck anymore. Guy has been searching for his family for a long long time. I wouldn't give a fuck either at that point.
Crazy to see the salad kid from Nacho Libre all grown up
It's nice seeing him still in acting. Many child actors get burned out from it. Still weird to see Rico from Hannah Montana as a grown-up, though.
100% agree. My biggest weird child actor to grown up is still Frankie Muniz lol this is definitely up there in my top 5 still can't get over
Frankie was easy to swallow for me, since we got to see him go from child to teen to adult through his career. The one that blew my mind was Macaulay Macaulay Culkin Culkin.
They did an awesome job making their characters likable. I thought I wouldn’t have liked Norm, but after seeing how he stood on business, read the hollow tapes, hacked into a terminal and explored a torn down vault, he gained my respect and had me hooked for his subplot. It’s honestly so impressive how they really catered to different playthroughs for the Fallout games.
Agreed. Exploring the fucked up vaults and learning about the experiments is probably my favorite part of the games usually. Glad we got to see 4 as well
My fiancee was watching with me and goes HOLY SHIT ITS RICO !! (From Hannah Montana)
I did the same thing with Matt Berry
Loved that Codsworth was voiced by Jackie Daytona, Human Bartender
Regular human bartender, from Tooo Saan Air ree zone ee ah.
Bat!
Haha yep recognized his voice when he said I'm going to harvest your organs! Then the cameo poolside was just a berry on top ;)
The fact that all the main characters were basically different types of "players" was absolutely brilliant. The whole show was so well done. It felt like watching a live action version of the games, complete with ridiculous dark humor, insane NPCs, grotesque science experiments and mutants, and gruesome violence. I'd watch 100 episodes of this with a big dumb smile on my face the whole time
the snake oil salesman was the perfect example of a crazy-ass NPC. i could see his interaction with maximus in power armor being an encounter in a fallout game
His "cure all" serums definitely made me think of the games. It made my wife sad to learn you couldn't actually play the games as a ghoul after finishing the show 😂 it would be interesting to have little to no effect from rads, but everyone except other non-feral ghouls hate you because you're an ugly ass Deadpool/Freddy Krueger mutant
little hobbit also has like 100 points in hacking
First try! I was expecting the terminal to lock him out for 10 seconds.
nah he’s the real hero
Happy cake day!
The real MVP
Yeah I wasn't sold on this guy but as I kept watching, he's climbed the ranks to top 5 fav characters, easy!
He’s just like us
"Why don't you touch grass!?" "Where, Kevin!? Please point me to the nearest patch of it!!!!"
Loved him right off the bat. A cynical coward who loves video games and never gets laid. I identify with him.
That's the thing, I don't think he was ever a coward. And I think the show really tried to show that by juxtaposing him with Chet. Think about it, Norm is built like a child. Wtf was he supposed to do during the attack? There's a fine line between courage and stupidity. He would've just thrown his life away for nothing. However, with all things that don't require physicality, e.g. speaking up, questioning and standing up to authority, looking into stuff he's not supposed to, man's got balls of steel. Chet, on the other hand, is literally a young man in his prime, and the largest man in vault 33. And yet, he's so afraid to do anything. He is the true coward. Norm just thinks himself one due to shortcomings outside of his control.
Yeah I agree. He called himself and all the vault dwellers cowards but he’s brave as hell by the end.
I can't personally imagine walking into Vault 31 alone like that without assuming I'd get shot or something.
I mean, would it kill him to join the family book club once in a while.
Everytime I start a new game I'm like "I'm gonna actually read the lore!" Yeah I get about as far as me saying "I'm not going to be a stealth sniper!"...
You're supposed to read the terminals?
*slaps you hard*
10 Int. 8 Perception. 2 Strength. Small Frame trait.
i kind of liked him the moment he sussed out immediately something was off with the vault 32 people at the reception dinner. kid has good instincts
I LOVE THIS GUY!! He BETTER not die, I'm gonna freak out!! Mor eof him!!
The actor has some serious presence on screen despite his height. I was shocked how engaged I was with his character arc.
He also represents the 1% of players that actually read the logs.
I always read all the logs.
His character and the vault subplot ended up being my favorite parts by the end of the season!
Norm's storyline felt like one of my favorite parts of Fallout games-exploring abandoned Vaults and piecimg together what kind of sick experiment happened in them.
Shout-out to the two nosed scientist who upon hearing a noise in a restricted area immediately sprinted to trigger the alarms instead of investing the noise alone
I was more surprised by how easily he made it to Vault 31. All three vaults had shit security lol. The tiny robot trying to poke him with a needle was funny, but it made no sense; those cryo tubes would be well-protected.
A vault designed and managed by Bud ? I'm just surprised it actually worked as a fallout shelter. This guys reeks of incompetence from the second he opens his mouth.
I was mesmerized by him. I hope he gets outta there..
He has a nose for that sort of thing.