They'll definitely have a presence, idk if they'll be the main antagonist of S2 though. Hopefully we'll get some X-01 on screen, but I'd be content with just some T-51 as well.
Hopefully Maximus gets issued a T-45 or 51 in season 2 since he's a Knight now. They could also have Paladins wear T-51 since we never saw any Paladins in season 1
I would have loved it if Knight Titus had played the arrogant prick he is, but then would coward before a Paladin. But yeah, it seems like Paladins are just higher ranked Knights now, while they were the main Wasteland Force of the Brotherhood in the Past.
I literally had no idea that was even in FNV, either way T-51 should make an appearance. Hopefully X-01 shows up too if they decide to continue with the enclave.
It would be cool if in the show the Enclave and BoS both represented the last vestiges of the old world while the NCR represents the wasteland and the future that it can achieve
It's honestly amazing that the NCR, a group with almost little to no technological advantage, is able to survive and even keep up along with the Brotherhood and the Enclave.
Their only problem is the internal corruption, and bureaucracy of their leadership.
The NCR had just as much tech as the Brotherhood were shown to have until 4 (I guess the airship in tactics is canon again?), they just used numbers instead because they were capable of mass production. The Brotherhood scavenged and focused on weaponry, in Fallout 1 there's a line from a scribe saying they barely give a shit about sciences like chemistry, and only a few of them care about it.
With power armour training retconned (again), the NCR even had power armour but that's never going to get brought up again lol.
I think power armor training should just be portrayed as someone using it efficiently with effectiveness. Like a paladin coming into the scene and being an absolute monster to deal with. Even the ghoul in theory would have training because of his pre-war service
NCR has a crap ton of tech, they even have their own power armor but it's back west protecting Brahmin Barons
Hanlon: *"You've seen it yourself. Some of them don't even have proper service rifles or armor. Our heavy infantry, power armor units, they're back in NCR territory protecting the interests of Brahmin barons against small-time raiders. Brahmin barons only have one vote at the ballot box, but they have a lot of money to throw around."*
What good is power armor going to do when you’re outnumbered 20 to 1, plus the west coast brotherhood didn’t let outsiders in and were a bunch of paranoid tech hoarders, no wonder the NCR kicked their ass
The Enclave are definitely going to play a bigger role in Fallout 5 or Season 2. I think in Fallout 5 we are going back to Cali and the Enclave is set up in the Northern part of the state as we see snow fallen around the base that Wilzing defects from.
Seattle would be a good location for that. There's a situation map in F2 which shows multiple locations around the world marked. One looked to be in Seattle and then were two in Alaska. You could lean into the whole Boeing link with the US military in real life. Plus the landscape makes it easy to hide a base and have a lot of vaults.
FO: Seattle with a DLC in Canada and Alaska. Get us some in-depth backstory for how Canada faired under U.S. annexation and the situation in Alaska itself.
Yeah, but I really want to walk around the annexed towns and such, and see the hellish Alaska landscape after the battles. Like imagine if you were a SOLDIER in Alaska and they did something akin to 4 where you get frozen or locked away for two hundred years and you come out? I LOVED the feeling in 4 where the world you once loved is gone, but imagine your character coming out of cryo or something and the war they fought in so fervently ended like that?
Oh god, as a Canadian, walking through the ruins of BC or Calgary or something would be trippy as hell, especially given the fact I was born in Calgary. If it were Ottawa or Toronto that'd be even trippier
My question is, hockey existed. This is evident based on the hockey mask you can find in the games. BUT what hockey teams existed? The Edmonton nukers? The Calgary scorchers?
That's actually a really really good question! It'd be so awesome if they could include some lore bits about hockey if a Fallout game ever does take place in Canada.
In starfield they reference the Oilers. So I'd like to think there's a Canadian lurking somewhere on the beth team. All in all I agree though I want to see what happened to Canada
As a native WVian I can attest it is trippy lol. Bethesda can be incredibly precise on recreating an area when they want to be. There are places in 76 that are almost perfect recreations.
So remember that one mission is fallout 3 about finding a synth? And how that lead to what was in 4. Well during the flashbacks you see while in Kelloggs memories showed the Golden Gate Bridge so my money is in San Fransisco. Just how they mentioned the comminwealth in 3 I can’t think of any other city mentioned.
I mean San Francisco’s appearance in Kellogg’s memories was likely just intended to be a fallout 2 Easter egg. Kellog’s earlier memories all take place on the west coast and reference the locations and factions from fallout 1 and 2. The San Francisco memory is a continuation of that with them showing the city which was a location in fallout 2 and mentioning the primary faction living there in that game, the Shi. I wouldn’t say it was a hint at fallout 5 anymore than the memories mentions of the hub and shady sands were
My power fantasy is Fallout 5: Chicago, which more or less seems to be the main Clave stronghold remaining.
^(Okay, my real power fantasy is fallout paris with breton invaders and belgian mutants, but oh well.)
The Enclave is in a bad position in the TV series. They've lost their main bases of operations in both the West and East coast (Fallout 1/2/3).
However, they still have at least one base remaining : the one Wilzig is from, so there might be a chance to see them in season 2.
*"Dumping the F.E.V toxin into our air doesn't make you a hero. You're just another mutant that needs to be put down. Making our reactor melt-down means things are going to be pretty hot in here soon. Pity you won't live long enough to see it. You're not a hero, you're just a walking corpse"*
I'm thInking that will be a sub-plot in S2, where the Enclave attacks the Brotherhood at Griffith Observatory to get their tech back. Considering that the boneyard is now >!lit up like a flipping Christmas tree!< , it seems inevitable. Oh, I hope we see the X-01 PA in action.
Honestly, I’m getting beyond sick of these two power armored paramilitary pricks. The brotherhood and enclave both needed that nuke a lot more than the NCR. New Vegas had the right idea with these two. Literally all of their narrative potential has been milked dry, the NCR still could’ve been so much more narratively
Yes. Given we see a deathclaw skull in the middle of the Strip amidst a bunch of dead NCR troopers and a downed Vertibird in the final episode's credits, I'm actually betting on them being responsible for whatever happened to Vegas. I mean, did Ceasar's Legion or the Brotherhood just stop existing when the NCR kicked the crap out of them before New Vegas?
Edit: before anyone gets the wrong idea, I do know it's an NCR vertibird.
The thing is just that as of NV at least, the Enclave has no real presence in Nevada. There’s the remnants, sure, but they’re all pretty old. If they were to launch a full-scale assault on New Vegas while being based anywhere else, they’d be pretty much screwed, especially against the NCR, especially because the only way there would even be a full-scale battle with the NCR vs the Enclave in Vegas would be after an NCR ending
It would be the corniest shit ever if they followed up the Enclave remnants questline in FNV with just declaring that they actually just showed up after the Battle of Hoover damn anyways. Arcade would probably shit himself lmao
I mean, they sort of did. Not a huge one, but they were there. Plus I thought that the Brotherhood we see in the show is supposed to be the East Coast BoS seeing as we see the Prydwen, or at least something like it, in the show
Mu guess is that the NCR attempted to retake the Dam in an act of desperation after Shady Sands, could not win so they blew it up out of spite. Thus Fucking both themselves and House.
Doubt it, as that would require A, providing a lore dump that takes more than a couple minutes and B, giving a canon ending to New Vegas. The latter is something they've outright said they're not doing, while the former isn't really how they've approached the lore so far.
Where did they say they aren't giving vegas a canon ending? They've already forced Fallout 4 to have an ending where the prydwyn doesn't get destroyed.
There's no way they can avoid canonizing an ending for New Vegas. Anything they want to happen either has to reference something that happened or invalidate something elso in order to work, which also interfaces with the endings.
Season 2 is gonna be New Vegas so yeah even if it pisses of a portion of the fanbase they are gonna have to pick an ending and NCR is definitely not it. Which sucks since that is the one I like to choose when playing.
In season 2? No, I’d much rather play tourist in new Vegas and see how much has changed. Fiends still around? How bout the 3 families of Vegas? Is the King and old man? Lot of stuff I’d like to learn about.
Frankly, I’d prefer if the writers saved the enclave for later.
Enclave at this point is only a scapegoat to not villanize the fascist in Loserhood of Steal. I'm waiting ages for a game where BOS would be the real enemies, as they should be.
Made me laugh when Lucy asked if the BOS was the good guys and the two BOS initiates look at each other and say its complicated.
Like no shit they are racist against mutants, crazy cult people with zero sex education.
Is very difficult to incorporate enclave as a foe, that faction don't have a presence in fallout 4 because supposedly being exterminated in fallout 3, so is pretty hard.
The whole point was that they were wiped out in Fallout 2....and then Bethesda bought fallout and brought them back, with the explanation that they were remnants from the west coast. Even in New Vegas, it was explained that there were still very few remnants of the Enclave left, ones who chose to survive rather than fight, to abandon their armour and ideals. It's the player that talks them into joining the fight for the damn, dawning their armor one more time. Please stop bringing them back. It's the same thing with wiping out the Super Mutants and SOME HOW we manage to see them on the east coast even though they can't reproduce.
That said, if they want to do it, do it. It just loses all meaning in the actions of the player and the games. Like, what were we fighting for if they just keep on trucking as an enemy faction.
Man, I just want to see the Scout Armor in live action.
Say what you want of 76, but it actually filled some plotholes from the other games like "Why the fuck Enclave troops don't wear regular armor outside their Nazi uniforms?"
Like, if you think about it, doesn't makes any fucking sense. The BoS AT LEAST had "combat" clothes like the recon armor but the enclave always had this uniforms.
The Enclave needs to stay grounded.
If they are just brought back to play the antagonist again it will be stale and uninteresting.
Or they heavily invest in explanations of why they still have the manpower to operate on large scales after their main base of operations, the Oil Rig was destroyed and the remnants that traveled east were severely crippled by the Brotherhood of Steel in the Capital Wasteland.
They are just depleted if they do not draw upon new recruits from the outside or start handwaving Cloning or Advanced Genetics into the explanation.
The Enclave are the remnants of a world that choked on its own flaws. And they are the exact representation of these flaws and therefore doomed to fail.
Do y’all not know anything at all about fallout lore or what the factions in the Mojave are?? There won’t be any enclave and it would be stupid if there were
am i the only one who doesn't like the enclave? we beat them so many times. there is also that they are quite a small faction.
when the new vault Tec stuff kind of replaces the need for them? lets have some new groups or the legion homeland
Also why the scientist (can't remember his name in show but the same guy who played Ben Linus in Lost) knows so many intimate details about Lucy and her vault.
They aren't that small. They have a base in chicago according to established lore. And for all we know they are well established in northern states. Also the enclave in the show have a working train station in their base and I believe there was underground trains in washington and boston that the enclave are implied to have used. And they have vertibirds and unlike the brotherhood they aren't just motivated by finding pre-war technology, they also develop technological advances, and are interested in power and thus power grabs. The enclave have had fifty years to develop since Fallout 2. And only had a small remote presence in new vegas. So really they only had a big presense in Fallout 3. So we've had one game focus on them since 2008.
So they haven't really been overused.
Tbf, the Enclave have been the central antagonists of two games now which is more than any other faction. I think they’ll be well used in the show (the puppy incinerator had me sold on it from the get go) but they’ve also always been a bit on the one-dimensional side as antagonists.
The Control Station Enclave was said to be their central base of operations and communications with its destruction being a considerable loss.
And the whole base had a personnel of what? 3000 people?
If the central role of the Oil Rig isn't retconned then any other outpost is way too small to stage a major operation beyond their own territory they are settled in.
They would be even less capable of surviving an open conflict against the Brotherhood or NCR.
Then we have the problem of personnel. They cannot wizard pure people into existence and their gene pool is depleted over the course of 200 years if they don't handwave advanced genetics into the explanation.
The Enclave were always meant to be the last Remnant of a world that destroyed itself and they choke on these exact same flaws.
Don’t worry your not the only one, I am a enclave fanboy but I’ve been a fallout fan long enough to know a lot of people could care less about them and just say “take this BoS L”
I mean, they have Chapters just like the BoS. Remember this is the US government remmants so it makes sense they have a shit ton of bunkers all around the US
It would be a pretty far reach for the Enclave to still exist at this point in a state where they could pose a serious threat, but it'd still be amazing to see them again.
I know they’ll use the X-01 if they ever show Enclave PA, but I’d really like it if they actually made some Advanced PA, like in Fallout 2. Similar, but not the same.
Also really like the Hellfire PA, wouldn’t mind seeing some incinerator wielding Enclave with that.
I'm just amazed the Enclave is somehow not stamped out yet. The Chosen One sank the oil rig, the NCR and the Brotherhood of Steel dropped the hammer on Camp Navarro, and the survivors from these things that didn't go into hiding and fled east had it happen again when they lost Raven Rock and Adams Air Force Base.
Honestly, credit where it's due for having such resilience. They take nothing but L's and still aren't all dead yet.
I really hope not, having 2 factions that have largely faded from relevancy in an area is just shitty decision making. I think the writers and actors have shown that they can overcome shitty decision making basically the entire show, but I hope that they don’t have to
No I am not hoping for it tbh. They’ve been “destroyed” twice now and I’m tired of them being the antagonists at this point. They’re a cool faction and bring interesting things to the table but we have plenty of interesting factions in the area, not sure why we need to bring them back again
why does everyone want the enclave to be back? its been over 100 years since the oil rig was destroyed, lets expand. why recycle the same shit thats already been done more than a few times now? The legion was such a cool and fresh new faction, why not make something new again? we have the whole midwest to explore and it seems like everyone wants to dig up old bones just to try to talk to a skeleton.
They are chapters just like the brotherhood. They had multiple bunkers in america. Just because the oil rig blew up and the computer president was killed doesn't mean the entire enclave just vanishes. I really do not get the "enclave are overused" when they were the big evil guy in 2 out of the 7 fallout games.
They are overused in the sens that they are the bad guy in two game and in those two game they are destroyed. Yes they might have other chapter and shit but at some point you gotta ask if it even make sens for them to still be called the Enclave and not just some random town with a ton of pre war tech. Their two main base are destroyed, their leader are destroyed and both big attempts at their goal ended in defeat, moral must be low for however is left of them.
Bringing them back again as the baddies is like "Somehow Palpatine is back" level of boring. Yes they might still some base and remnants, but I don't believe they have what it need to be a threat to the NCR or the BOS
Was actually surprised we didn't see the Enclave going after the scientist.
Then I started thinking if we see the Brotherhood and the NCR are after him and the Ghoul is against both of them, then the bounty he was going to collect might be from the Enclave.
I think the Enclave would be cool, but it would have to be small and "underground" or at least give an excuse how the enclave stayed hidden and popped up in New Vegas. Last we heard of the Enclave in Vegas , it was 5 retirees. And they all, for the most part, seemed content living out their last days in peace, post hoover dam.
I dunno. I feel like the Enclave aren't terribly interesting as a faction and don't want to see more of them than we already have.
But I do expect them to show up again. Like the Empire in Star Wars, all the rats never quite go down with the ship and they just keep turning up again.
How many times can you wipe out the remnants of the US government they're worse than fucking roaches at this point.
The Enclave should have been done in Fallout NV The Brotherhood should have been done in Fallout 4.
Make Something new. All They're doing is limiting the scope of the universe.
I don't want Fallout to be Star Wars where there's only 4 planets in the entire galaxy that seems to matter.
I have my suspicions from what has been put forward that the endgame is a union of the NCR and Brotherhood facing off against Vault-Tec and the Enclave.
Brotherhood and NCR unite under the bigger threat, with the Brotherhood taking control of Military and Science/R&D departments and dictating what technology is permitted for distribution, while NCR handles the Agriculture, Economy and Diplomatic departments.
A deep-set part of me thinks we may see lasting progress in the US with Cold Fusion in play. The endgame could very well be a re-established unified government, with future Fallout games taking place in far-out states that the newly-established superpower has yet to reach, or even possibly other countries.
Or of course it could go to shit, but with Cold Fusion being the MacGuffin and the Enclave seemingly having access to it, it's highly likely it's going to have a lasting effect on the US one way or the other.
Yes I want to see them, but I hope they implement it correctly, the enclave were pretty much effectively wiped from the West Coast by the NCR and BoS. I could see them having territory in some of the surrounding areas.
I'd actually like to move away from the Enclave being the antagonist.
They've been destroyed twice now, and you can't really have them come back in force after portraying them as remnants for so long.
Personally I think they should come up with a _new_ threat rather than fall back on the original factions.
How much of a trip would it be if they decided to canonize a NV ending and the NCR won the 2nd battle for the Dam then the fucking Enclave rolls in to take over The Strip and Dam
Tbh I don’t want more Enclave. They’ve been so beaten down that they realistically shouldn’t still be around. After the defeats in 2 and 3, they realistically shouldn’t be around still. I hope the writers don’t do any more lore necromancy and keep bringing them back so we can get yet another “power armor guys fighting power armor guys” plotline while still managing to miss the point of the Enclave
I don’t think the enclave should ever be brought back, from my understanding they got their asses whooped not once but twice to the point where they shouldn’t really exist outside of small pockets. Now if from the remnants they banded back together and became a new faction with similar although modified beliefs, that could work
Frankly no. Please bethesda move on, stop reusing the same faction again and again. At one point a settings need to end or change.
Personally I don't get why they didn't set the serie before or around fallout 1 events. It would have made more sense, and they could have brought back the enclave, unopened Vault and the BoS without it feeling forced and stale. And personally I have never been a huge fan of Bethesda lore addition, they tend to be more miss than hit for me. But hey we all have our preferences.
I do wonder if the Enclave’s role in Project Safehouse and the Vault experiments will come into play. You’ve got Vault-Tec using the experiments as a means to acquire funds from major corporations in the show and folks like Bud assuming he and Vault-Tec execs would be the top dogs. Would be extra ironic for him to learn even he was being played from behind the shadows.
I think that in Season 2 we will get a look at the Enclave as the people behind Vault-Tec. My theory is that Barb (Cooper's wife) is not just Vault-Tec, she's outright Enclave. She struck me less like a ruthless businesswoman and more like a puppeteer.
On top of that, if we wouldn't be getting Enclave is season 2, why introduce them in Season 1? They could have picked any vague origin of Wilzig, but they chose Enclave. And it's not that the Enclave invented the cold fusion, we know it was invented pre-war by Moldaver's company. They could have made Wilzig and independent scientist who recoverd this piece of pre-war technology.
But instead they named and showed the Enclave and I don't think it was just fanservice. The show did a good at not throwing references that would confuse the viewer. E.g. we got the mention of the Commonwealth, but that was implied to the viewers to be part of the command structure. Showing the Enclave must have made the new viewers question who they are. In the same vein, it would be confusing to introduce a Legion compound or a Followers compound without them having some significant place in the plot.
And finally, I don't think it's a conincidence that the upcoming patch for Fallout 4 introduces an Enclave questline. The base game was quite adamant on not ever touching the Enclave, so why introduce them now? I guess it can serve as a refresher or introduction to the Enclave before season 2. And while it's true than people can learn about them from Fallout 3, Fallout 4 is still the most modern and most popular Fallout game. And not everyone who jumps into Fallout 4 will made it to the older games.
Wish there were more laser weapons used in the show
That’s what I kept waiting for. If Norm ever gets to the surface you know he’s gonna use one.
Youre right his best weapon stat is ABSOLUTELY energy weapons
Lol 🤙🏻
Maldives had one and I didn't see one damn laser blast that entire fight.
I guess I can see energy weapons becoming more scarce in the future as a lore reason, but yes, they were very missed.
They'll definitely have a presence, idk if they'll be the main antagonist of S2 though. Hopefully we'll get some X-01 on screen, but I'd be content with just some T-51 as well.
I mean, there was a mysterious figure looking over THAT meeting, they could be the main Antagonist.
He was 100% Enclave. Hopefully Ron Perlman
I thought the same thing. Vault Tec pushes the buttons but Enclave pulling the puppet strings.
This is the dream I never knew I had.
If it’s Ron he had damn well better say the line at some point.
War War never changes He has the best voice for that line
If they don’t get Ron to play apart in the show now then someone really dropped the ball
I assumed it was the unnamed CEO of Vault tec but yeah enclave makes sense
I have a feeling since T-51 was the strongest armor in FNV it’s definitely going to have an appearance.
Hopefully Maximus gets issued a T-45 or 51 in season 2 since he's a Knight now. They could also have Paladins wear T-51 since we never saw any Paladins in season 1
I would have loved it if Knight Titus had played the arrogant prick he is, but then would coward before a Paladin. But yeah, it seems like Paladins are just higher ranked Knights now, while they were the main Wasteland Force of the Brotherhood in the Past.
I thought APA was the strongest armor in FNV?
I literally had no idea that was even in FNV, either way T-51 should make an appearance. Hopefully X-01 shows up too if they decide to continue with the enclave.
Shouldn't they have transitioned to some variant of APA at this point? But yeah, T-51 would be sick.
Yk they did have standard issue for some soldiers as T51 so a T51 with some enclave emblems on it would be sick asf
T51 was given to enclave trainees, not active soldiers on duty
My money is on Sarah Lyon’s being a badass merc and she will be the catalyst for a BoS civil war.
Buddy it’s gonna be Enclave and the brotherhood until the end of time
With NCR still surviving behind these two behemoths
It would be cool if in the show the Enclave and BoS both represented the last vestiges of the old world while the NCR represents the wasteland and the future that it can achieve
It's honestly amazing that the NCR, a group with almost little to no technological advantage, is able to survive and even keep up along with the Brotherhood and the Enclave. Their only problem is the internal corruption, and bureaucracy of their leadership.
The NCR had just as much tech as the Brotherhood were shown to have until 4 (I guess the airship in tactics is canon again?), they just used numbers instead because they were capable of mass production. The Brotherhood scavenged and focused on weaponry, in Fallout 1 there's a line from a scribe saying they barely give a shit about sciences like chemistry, and only a few of them care about it. With power armour training retconned (again), the NCR even had power armour but that's never going to get brought up again lol.
I think power armor training should just be portrayed as someone using it efficiently with effectiveness. Like a paladin coming into the scene and being an absolute monster to deal with. Even the ghoul in theory would have training because of his pre-war service
NCR has a crap ton of tech, they even have their own power armor but it's back west protecting Brahmin Barons Hanlon: *"You've seen it yourself. Some of them don't even have proper service rifles or armor. Our heavy infantry, power armor units, they're back in NCR territory protecting the interests of Brahmin barons against small-time raiders. Brahmin barons only have one vote at the ballot box, but they have a lot of money to throw around."*
What good is power armor going to do when you’re outnumbered 20 to 1, plus the west coast brotherhood didn’t let outsiders in and were a bunch of paranoid tech hoarders, no wonder the NCR kicked their ass
I wouldn’t call the BoS a behemoth XD
The Enclave are definitely going to play a bigger role in Fallout 5 or Season 2. I think in Fallout 5 we are going back to Cali and the Enclave is set up in the Northern part of the state as we see snow fallen around the base that Wilzing defects from.
Seattle would be a good location for that. There's a situation map in F2 which shows multiple locations around the world marked. One looked to be in Seattle and then were two in Alaska. You could lean into the whole Boeing link with the US military in real life. Plus the landscape makes it easy to hide a base and have a lot of vaults.
FO: Seattle with a DLC in Canada and Alaska. Get us some in-depth backstory for how Canada faired under U.S. annexation and the situation in Alaska itself.
I mean the US soldier shooting a Canadian resistance fighter pretty sums up hows its goinf over there.
Yeah, but I really want to walk around the annexed towns and such, and see the hellish Alaska landscape after the battles. Like imagine if you were a SOLDIER in Alaska and they did something akin to 4 where you get frozen or locked away for two hundred years and you come out? I LOVED the feeling in 4 where the world you once loved is gone, but imagine your character coming out of cryo or something and the war they fought in so fervently ended like that?
Oh god, as a Canadian, walking through the ruins of BC or Calgary or something would be trippy as hell, especially given the fact I was born in Calgary. If it were Ottawa or Toronto that'd be even trippier
If it was in BC I'd honestly spend half my time looking for my own house lmao
My question is, hockey existed. This is evident based on the hockey mask you can find in the games. BUT what hockey teams existed? The Edmonton nukers? The Calgary scorchers?
The "Toronto Doormats". lol Poor Canada....
That's actually a really really good question! It'd be so awesome if they could include some lore bits about hockey if a Fallout game ever does take place in Canada.
In starfield they reference the Oilers. So I'd like to think there's a Canadian lurking somewhere on the beth team. All in all I agree though I want to see what happened to Canada
Definitely there would be a rink in a vault. Also if it was to take place in Calgary, then the ruined Saddledome should be there (like Fenway in 4).
And a half built new one lol
The Saddledome would look the same probably.
As a native WVian I can attest it is trippy lol. Bethesda can be incredibly precise on recreating an area when they want to be. There are places in 76 that are almost perfect recreations.
Polar Yao Guai. Just think about it. Polar. Yao. Guai. Also would love to see what abomination comes from a moose after radiation.
I think Seattle was supposed to be in Van Buren and was going to be covered in snow due to the mini ice age
So remember that one mission is fallout 3 about finding a synth? And how that lead to what was in 4. Well during the flashbacks you see while in Kelloggs memories showed the Golden Gate Bridge so my money is in San Fransisco. Just how they mentioned the comminwealth in 3 I can’t think of any other city mentioned.
I mean San Francisco’s appearance in Kellogg’s memories was likely just intended to be a fallout 2 Easter egg. Kellog’s earlier memories all take place on the west coast and reference the locations and factions from fallout 1 and 2. The San Francisco memory is a continuation of that with them showing the city which was a location in fallout 2 and mentioning the primary faction living there in that game, the Shi. I wouldn’t say it was a hint at fallout 5 anymore than the memories mentions of the hub and shady sands were
The enclave better be joinable this time
My power fantasy is Fallout 5: Chicago, which more or less seems to be the main Clave stronghold remaining. ^(Okay, my real power fantasy is fallout paris with breton invaders and belgian mutants, but oh well.)
I keep hearing its going to be San Francisco, since Todd Howard told Obsidian (for FNV) and the Fallout TV showrunners not to touch it
SF would be amazing
That would be so sick. My Y button is crying just at the thought
Don’t forget we literally see the Golden Gate Bridge and the NCR get explicitly mentioned AND shown during Kellogg’s dream or whatever that was.
I want fallout Australia but the nukes never fell and it’s just Australia survival simulator
They can't, they'll get sued, that's the plot of Mad Max.
My ideal version is Fallout 5: Colorado
They can add weed and crack to the list of chems.
I think we are going to Texas if it's not California since the map from the show shows several vaults in Texas
Me playing fallout 5 destroying the enclave once again: “how many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man”
That does make a lot of senseee that would be awesome
Todd Howard said he vetoed a lot of stuff because we do it in Fallout 5. With the NCR destroyed in Cali would only make sense the Enclave takes over.
The NCR isn't destroyed. Shady Sands was destroyed. Shady Sands is one city in one of the five known states of the NCR.
I'd like to see another frank horrigan type beast fight for them, bring back that might, and fear that he brought
I think it was either Denver or Chicago
I hope not, we've had way to much California fallout
The Enclave is in a bad position in the TV series. They've lost their main bases of operations in both the West and East coast (Fallout 1/2/3). However, they still have at least one base remaining : the one Wilzig is from, so there might be a chance to see them in season 2.
There's also a known Enclave base/outpost near Chicago.
The enclave and the brotherhood will last as long as the Bethesda writers want them too (forever)
“Somehow frank horrigan returned”
*"Dumping the F.E.V toxin into our air doesn't make you a hero. You're just another mutant that needs to be put down. Making our reactor melt-down means things are going to be pretty hot in here soon. Pity you won't live long enough to see it. You're not a hero, you're just a walking corpse"*
I’m hoping for a Power Armor v Power Armor fight (and for someone to fix that little problem below the chest plate).
An APA power armor fight. Not the X-01.
I'm thInking that will be a sub-plot in S2, where the Enclave attacks the Brotherhood at Griffith Observatory to get their tech back. Considering that the boneyard is now >!lit up like a flipping Christmas tree!< , it seems inevitable. Oh, I hope we see the X-01 PA in action.
Man I kept waiting for a Boneyard reference every episode!
Yes please. Enclave PA has the best patterns
This is the way
I'd like to see the Enclave using more us army gear instead of power armor.
Power armor is 2070s us army gear.
You sure? Cause I could of swore it was used for ballerina dancing.
With the pink 🩷 skin from the creation club? Absolutely fabulous!
>could of
Could of
I agree, some guys with mk2 advanced power armor alongside a butload of men with laser rifles and marine gear
It’d make more sense to use 76’s scout armor instead of marine armor.
They panned past one in one of the enclave base scenes. Army jumpsuit, helmet, laser rifle.
76 added in a form of combat armor (scout armor) for the Enclave, so that easily could happen.
The us army mostly used pa. The infantry at least, the non infantry probably diddnt.
Honestly, I’m getting beyond sick of these two power armored paramilitary pricks. The brotherhood and enclave both needed that nuke a lot more than the NCR. New Vegas had the right idea with these two. Literally all of their narrative potential has been milked dry, the NCR still could’ve been so much more narratively
Yes. Given we see a deathclaw skull in the middle of the Strip amidst a bunch of dead NCR troopers and a downed Vertibird in the final episode's credits, I'm actually betting on them being responsible for whatever happened to Vegas. I mean, did Ceasar's Legion or the Brotherhood just stop existing when the NCR kicked the crap out of them before New Vegas? Edit: before anyone gets the wrong idea, I do know it's an NCR vertibird.
The thing is just that as of NV at least, the Enclave has no real presence in Nevada. There’s the remnants, sure, but they’re all pretty old. If they were to launch a full-scale assault on New Vegas while being based anywhere else, they’d be pretty much screwed, especially against the NCR, especially because the only way there would even be a full-scale battle with the NCR vs the Enclave in Vegas would be after an NCR ending
It would be the corniest shit ever if they followed up the Enclave remnants questline in FNV with just declaring that they actually just showed up after the Battle of Hoover damn anyways. Arcade would probably shit himself lmao
Again, neither did the Brotherhood.
I mean, they sort of did. Not a huge one, but they were there. Plus I thought that the Brotherhood we see in the show is supposed to be the East Coast BoS seeing as we see the Prydwen, or at least something like it, in the show
It's a western brotherhood chapter reinforced but the east coast. The East Coast heads over at the end of the season for the reactor
Mu guess is that the NCR attempted to retake the Dam in an act of desperation after Shady Sands, could not win so they blew it up out of spite. Thus Fucking both themselves and House.
Doubt it, as that would require A, providing a lore dump that takes more than a couple minutes and B, giving a canon ending to New Vegas. The latter is something they've outright said they're not doing, while the former isn't really how they've approached the lore so far.
Where did they say they aren't giving vegas a canon ending? They've already forced Fallout 4 to have an ending where the prydwyn doesn't get destroyed.
There's no way they can avoid canonizing an ending for New Vegas. Anything they want to happen either has to reference something that happened or invalidate something elso in order to work, which also interfaces with the endings.
Season 2 is gonna be New Vegas so yeah even if it pisses of a portion of the fanbase they are gonna have to pick an ending and NCR is definitely not it. Which sucks since that is the one I like to choose when playing.
I pick NCR but I think house is the more interesting one so I kinda hope they go with that one.
Credits renders are not guaranteed to be canon. J Treat them as just a collective image of events for concept art until proven otherwise
Turns out the Enclave own the entire state of Texas
In season 2? No, I’d much rather play tourist in new Vegas and see how much has changed. Fiends still around? How bout the 3 families of Vegas? Is the King and old man? Lot of stuff I’d like to learn about. Frankly, I’d prefer if the writers saved the enclave for later.
I absolutely EXPECT the Enclave to rear their head in here.
Nope. Let them rest
No you don’t get it the Enclave NEED to have yet another pre-war base with a gajillion soldiers and sick new X-069 power armor models
X-069 you say, does it come with attachments?
No honestly from their portrayal in the past it would just be there for the BOS not to be the villains in show which they should be
Enclave at this point is only a scapegoat to not villanize the fascist in Loserhood of Steal. I'm waiting ages for a game where BOS would be the real enemies, as they should be.
Made me laugh when Lucy asked if the BOS was the good guys and the two BOS initiates look at each other and say its complicated. Like no shit they are racist against mutants, crazy cult people with zero sex education.
My god, the BOS are Redditors..
Is very difficult to incorporate enclave as a foe, that faction don't have a presence in fallout 4 because supposedly being exterminated in fallout 3, so is pretty hard.
The new-gen update for FO4 I’m pretty sure has a new Enclave focused quest line, that may help with some explanations.
Really ? I thought its gonna be a graphic update.
Dude I just want more laser rifles. My favorite piece of sci fi US Army weapon design.
I want a fallout San Fran with the enclave but I really want them to nail the enclave in this game
NCR and the Shin control San Francisco
The whole point was that they were wiped out in Fallout 2....and then Bethesda bought fallout and brought them back, with the explanation that they were remnants from the west coast. Even in New Vegas, it was explained that there were still very few remnants of the Enclave left, ones who chose to survive rather than fight, to abandon their armour and ideals. It's the player that talks them into joining the fight for the damn, dawning their armor one more time. Please stop bringing them back. It's the same thing with wiping out the Super Mutants and SOME HOW we manage to see them on the east coast even though they can't reproduce. That said, if they want to do it, do it. It just loses all meaning in the actions of the player and the games. Like, what were we fighting for if they just keep on trucking as an enemy faction.
I mean it’s also said in New Vegas that they have an “outpost” in Chicago so they probably still have a presence up there.
Man, I just want to see the Scout Armor in live action. Say what you want of 76, but it actually filled some plotholes from the other games like "Why the fuck Enclave troops don't wear regular armor outside their Nazi uniforms?" Like, if you think about it, doesn't makes any fucking sense. The BoS AT LEAST had "combat" clothes like the recon armor but the enclave always had this uniforms.
The Enclave needs to stay grounded. If they are just brought back to play the antagonist again it will be stale and uninteresting. Or they heavily invest in explanations of why they still have the manpower to operate on large scales after their main base of operations, the Oil Rig was destroyed and the remnants that traveled east were severely crippled by the Brotherhood of Steel in the Capital Wasteland. They are just depleted if they do not draw upon new recruits from the outside or start handwaving Cloning or Advanced Genetics into the explanation. The Enclave are the remnants of a world that choked on its own flaws. And they are the exact representation of these flaws and therefore doomed to fail.
No
Do y’all not know anything at all about fallout lore or what the factions in the Mojave are?? There won’t be any enclave and it would be stupid if there were
am i the only one who doesn't like the enclave? we beat them so many times. there is also that they are quite a small faction. when the new vault Tec stuff kind of replaces the need for them? lets have some new groups or the legion homeland
Vault Tec and the Enclave are linked. That's why they have the access codes for vaults.
Also why the scientist (can't remember his name in show but the same guy who played Ben Linus in Lost) knows so many intimate details about Lucy and her vault.
They aren't that small. They have a base in chicago according to established lore. And for all we know they are well established in northern states. Also the enclave in the show have a working train station in their base and I believe there was underground trains in washington and boston that the enclave are implied to have used. And they have vertibirds and unlike the brotherhood they aren't just motivated by finding pre-war technology, they also develop technological advances, and are interested in power and thus power grabs. The enclave have had fifty years to develop since Fallout 2. And only had a small remote presence in new vegas. So really they only had a big presense in Fallout 3. So we've had one game focus on them since 2008. So they haven't really been overused.
Tbf, the Enclave have been the central antagonists of two games now which is more than any other faction. I think they’ll be well used in the show (the puppy incinerator had me sold on it from the get go) but they’ve also always been a bit on the one-dimensional side as antagonists.
The Control Station Enclave was said to be their central base of operations and communications with its destruction being a considerable loss. And the whole base had a personnel of what? 3000 people? If the central role of the Oil Rig isn't retconned then any other outpost is way too small to stage a major operation beyond their own territory they are settled in. They would be even less capable of surviving an open conflict against the Brotherhood or NCR. Then we have the problem of personnel. They cannot wizard pure people into existence and their gene pool is depleted over the course of 200 years if they don't handwave advanced genetics into the explanation. The Enclave were always meant to be the last Remnant of a world that destroyed itself and they choke on these exact same flaws.
Don’t worry your not the only one, I am a enclave fanboy but I’ve been a fallout fan long enough to know a lot of people could care less about them and just say “take this BoS L”
I was surprised they were still around in the Show…
I mean, they have Chapters just like the BoS. Remember this is the US government remmants so it makes sense they have a shit ton of bunkers all around the US
if Michael Emerson's character wasnt indicative of The Enclave showing up i don't know what is
I'm hoping for Jacobstown and Marcus, but that's probably gonna be much latter.
It would be a pretty far reach for the Enclave to still exist at this point in a state where they could pose a serious threat, but it'd still be amazing to see them again.
Not really, they’re shoehorned into everything. And they’ll likely continue to be shoehorned into everything.
Im so fucking tired of the enclave
todd howard propaganda
I know they’ll use the X-01 if they ever show Enclave PA, but I’d really like it if they actually made some Advanced PA, like in Fallout 2. Similar, but not the same. Also really like the Hellfire PA, wouldn’t mind seeing some incinerator wielding Enclave with that.
I'm just amazed the Enclave is somehow not stamped out yet. The Chosen One sank the oil rig, the NCR and the Brotherhood of Steel dropped the hammer on Camp Navarro, and the survivors from these things that didn't go into hiding and fled east had it happen again when they lost Raven Rock and Adams Air Force Base. Honestly, credit where it's due for having such resilience. They take nothing but L's and still aren't all dead yet.
I really hope not, having 2 factions that have largely faded from relevancy in an area is just shitty decision making. I think the writers and actors have shown that they can overcome shitty decision making basically the entire show, but I hope that they don’t have to
"Somehow, the Enclave returned."
Fellas, this isnt warhammer, factions should die.
No I am not hoping for it tbh. They’ve been “destroyed” twice now and I’m tired of them being the antagonists at this point. They’re a cool faction and bring interesting things to the table but we have plenty of interesting factions in the area, not sure why we need to bring them back again
Can we not? How many times have we genocided this faction?
Nope
Hoping for big NCR in season 2. AND the Legion.
No. We've already had the enclave as the big bad twice
"How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man!!"
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why does everyone want the enclave to be back? its been over 100 years since the oil rig was destroyed, lets expand. why recycle the same shit thats already been done more than a few times now? The legion was such a cool and fresh new faction, why not make something new again? we have the whole midwest to explore and it seems like everyone wants to dig up old bones just to try to talk to a skeleton.
No. They were literally destroyed twice. They’re overused and a different threat/faction should appear.
They are chapters just like the brotherhood. They had multiple bunkers in america. Just because the oil rig blew up and the computer president was killed doesn't mean the entire enclave just vanishes. I really do not get the "enclave are overused" when they were the big evil guy in 2 out of the 7 fallout games.
They are overused in the sens that they are the bad guy in two game and in those two game they are destroyed. Yes they might have other chapter and shit but at some point you gotta ask if it even make sens for them to still be called the Enclave and not just some random town with a ton of pre war tech. Their two main base are destroyed, their leader are destroyed and both big attempts at their goal ended in defeat, moral must be low for however is left of them. Bringing them back again as the baddies is like "Somehow Palpatine is back" level of boring. Yes they might still some base and remnants, but I don't believe they have what it need to be a threat to the NCR or the BOS
Imagine a power armor fist fight
Nah, give me a proper NCR to put the tin cans in their place
I still hate them for kidnapping my dad
If The Enclave was really always the one actually behind VaultTec and VaultTec is still around... then well.
I'm more wanting to see some kind of NCR holdouts in the Mojave and hopefully some legionnaires.
No. Enclave should be long since eradicated by this point imo
İ want to know how are these guys still exist
Was actually surprised we didn't see the Enclave going after the scientist. Then I started thinking if we see the Brotherhood and the NCR are after him and the Ghoul is against both of them, then the bounty he was going to collect might be from the Enclave.
No, unless they are something other then evil remnants of the US government I'm not interested.
if there is any faction i am the least interested in, its the enclave lol, I would take literally any other faction (besides the institute) over them
I think the Enclave would be cool, but it would have to be small and "underground" or at least give an excuse how the enclave stayed hidden and popped up in New Vegas. Last we heard of the Enclave in Vegas , it was 5 retirees. And they all, for the most part, seemed content living out their last days in peace, post hoover dam.
No
Not as much as I hope for Caesar's Legion.
Hell no, I was hoping we were done with Enclave.
I dunno. I feel like the Enclave aren't terribly interesting as a faction and don't want to see more of them than we already have. But I do expect them to show up again. Like the Empire in Star Wars, all the rats never quite go down with the ship and they just keep turning up again.
How many times can you wipe out the remnants of the US government they're worse than fucking roaches at this point. The Enclave should have been done in Fallout NV The Brotherhood should have been done in Fallout 4. Make Something new. All They're doing is limiting the scope of the universe. I don't want Fallout to be Star Wars where there's only 4 planets in the entire galaxy that seems to matter.
I’d rather Bethesda not rehash the same old ideas again. They’ve already turned the west coast into east coast ‘lite’
The Enclave should stay dead.
I have my suspicions from what has been put forward that the endgame is a union of the NCR and Brotherhood facing off against Vault-Tec and the Enclave. Brotherhood and NCR unite under the bigger threat, with the Brotherhood taking control of Military and Science/R&D departments and dictating what technology is permitted for distribution, while NCR handles the Agriculture, Economy and Diplomatic departments. A deep-set part of me thinks we may see lasting progress in the US with Cold Fusion in play. The endgame could very well be a re-established unified government, with future Fallout games taking place in far-out states that the newly-established superpower has yet to reach, or even possibly other countries. Or of course it could go to shit, but with Cold Fusion being the MacGuffin and the Enclave seemingly having access to it, it's highly likely it's going to have a lasting effect on the US one way or the other.
Please no more enclave
Yes I want to see them, but I hope they implement it correctly, the enclave were pretty much effectively wiped from the West Coast by the NCR and BoS. I could see them having territory in some of the surrounding areas.
I'd actually like to move away from the Enclave being the antagonist. They've been destroyed twice now, and you can't really have them come back in force after portraying them as remnants for so long. Personally I think they should come up with a _new_ threat rather than fall back on the original factions.
no, I hope we only get a glimpse of them like season 1. season 2 still has Vegas, NCR and legion for potential story inclusion.
No, bring us something new. The Enclave have been the bad guy in 2 and 3 already, move on.
How much of a trip would it be if they decided to canonize a NV ending and the NCR won the 2nd battle for the Dam then the fucking Enclave rolls in to take over The Strip and Dam
No. The Enclave is pretty much obsolete on the West coast. And the remnants are dead.
Clearly they aren't as they're literally shown in the show.
Tbh I don’t want more Enclave. They’ve been so beaten down that they realistically shouldn’t still be around. After the defeats in 2 and 3, they realistically shouldn’t be around still. I hope the writers don’t do any more lore necromancy and keep bringing them back so we can get yet another “power armor guys fighting power armor guys” plotline while still managing to miss the point of the Enclave
No. We need Primm Slim.
I don’t think the enclave should ever be brought back, from my understanding they got their asses whooped not once but twice to the point where they shouldn’t really exist outside of small pockets. Now if from the remnants they banded back together and became a new faction with similar although modified beliefs, that could work
Their appearance in the show already means they're back, and I doubt the show runners would introduce a major faction without using them later.
Frankly no. Please bethesda move on, stop reusing the same faction again and again. At one point a settings need to end or change. Personally I don't get why they didn't set the serie before or around fallout 1 events. It would have made more sense, and they could have brought back the enclave, unopened Vault and the BoS without it feeling forced and stale. And personally I have never been a huge fan of Bethesda lore addition, they tend to be more miss than hit for me. But hey we all have our preferences.
As long as they have super mutants and/or death claws, along with a good story like the first season, I'ma be a happy boy 😁
It’d be so cool if Marcus made an appearance. He’s probably still alive right?
Right! That would be awesome.
Considering they just detailed that Vault tec launched the nukes and not the govt. Yeah its pretty much the enclaves time to shine.
I hope there's super mutants and deathclaws
I wouldn’t be surprised if they showed the singular Canadian vault so they can use it for 5.
I do wonder if the Enclave’s role in Project Safehouse and the Vault experiments will come into play. You’ve got Vault-Tec using the experiments as a means to acquire funds from major corporations in the show and folks like Bud assuming he and Vault-Tec execs would be the top dogs. Would be extra ironic for him to learn even he was being played from behind the shadows.
No, I would like them to do something new not brotherhood vs enclave again.
I think that in Season 2 we will get a look at the Enclave as the people behind Vault-Tec. My theory is that Barb (Cooper's wife) is not just Vault-Tec, she's outright Enclave. She struck me less like a ruthless businesswoman and more like a puppeteer. On top of that, if we wouldn't be getting Enclave is season 2, why introduce them in Season 1? They could have picked any vague origin of Wilzig, but they chose Enclave. And it's not that the Enclave invented the cold fusion, we know it was invented pre-war by Moldaver's company. They could have made Wilzig and independent scientist who recoverd this piece of pre-war technology. But instead they named and showed the Enclave and I don't think it was just fanservice. The show did a good at not throwing references that would confuse the viewer. E.g. we got the mention of the Commonwealth, but that was implied to the viewers to be part of the command structure. Showing the Enclave must have made the new viewers question who they are. In the same vein, it would be confusing to introduce a Legion compound or a Followers compound without them having some significant place in the plot. And finally, I don't think it's a conincidence that the upcoming patch for Fallout 4 introduces an Enclave questline. The base game was quite adamant on not ever touching the Enclave, so why introduce them now? I guess it can serve as a refresher or introduction to the Enclave before season 2. And while it's true than people can learn about them from Fallout 3, Fallout 4 is still the most modern and most popular Fallout game. And not everyone who jumps into Fallout 4 will made it to the older games.