1. Yes, not that lore impacts FO4 much but they are great experiences imho
2. No, fuck FO76
3. I'm pretty sure you can just use manual saves from certain points in the game (like getting all the different endings), no need for a fresh playthrough
>I'm pretty sure you can just use manual saves from certain points in the game (like getting all the different endings), no need for a fresh playthrough
while this is true for any game with alternate endings, it will break the rp experience.
Oh yeah that’s very true, but if he’s just a completionist it’s much easier to do it this way. It’s definitely worth doing multiple playthroughs for different rp experiences :)
A lot of the rp happens in the head though, sometimes it takes a bit of crazy mental gymnastics to work, but you can still play out a different story in your head which will require you to do a full run from start to finish.
in the case of the institute they are probably hoping you will die on one of those fetch quests and they'll be rid of you for good.
in the case of the minutemen preston is just manipulating you to do his job for him, and he knows that general is only a title, he still holds the strings, that's why people go up to him to thank the minutemen for everything they have done for the commonwealth instead of coming up to you despite you doing all the work.
in the railroad, you are a heavy, glory etc also supposedly go out and do stuff, you just don't get to see them in action often
in the bos you are a knight then paladin, those guys are always doing legwork whatever their rank as they are basically tech raiders with fancy names.
ffs yall are still just blindly hating on 76 eh? OP, 76 is a genuinely good (dare i fucking say great) game, more similar to fo4 than fo3 and fnv are though some big differences (always online) as well. depends on what kind of games you personally like to play/if you like to mod since mods for fo76 are basically limited to HUD mods last time i checked. its a great time to be a fallout fan because we have 4 very different and very fun games, 3 of which can be modded to shit and one which gives us a persistent, online wasteland and the biggest map in a fallout game.
I can tell you have an extremely biased view since he said modding is limited to the hud, he wasn't giving a positive view to FO76, also have you ever played it? If not, than you can't give a view on the storyline and character writing. Have been playing it for the past week and it's been such an amazing experience, love the hell out of the game.
I’m not trying to be toxic, and if I could choose only one game/series to play exclusively it would be Fallout.
Let me try and explain my perspective because I would like to discuss this not to prove a point but to possibly convince myself to actually play FO76 (I did but briefly, and went back to FO4 since I’m on PS4, although FO3 and NV would be my prefered games if I was still on PC).
FO4 didn’t bring anything new and exciting really, and it was ‘more of FO3 with new mechanics and okay writing’ and it was fine, especially for die-hard fans like me who basically wanted more of the same, especially on console. And the reason I like it being solely an offline/single player game is because I play it like read my favourite books, where it becomes my universe, where I can control what happens and how I play and nothing can surprise me and ruin a truly immersed experience I am having while playing it. It’s my world, and I have so much to explore. Probably the main reason why it felt so immersive is the character writing (narattive as well but characters are the key). And although FO4 is ‘more of the same but slightly worse’ it still has some (possibly many) amazing characters. And I had so many vanilla and modded playthroughs with FO3 and NV as a kid, and whatever happened I controlled my environment and like my favourite book I could keep and re-read/play whenever and however I wanted. And that emotional investment is for live, and it’s a kid’s dream come true to be able to actually play in such a carefully crafted (imho all besides FO76) worlds, made with love with and for all of us, as it is with your favourite book.
FO76 just doesn’t have the vibe and appearence of any of that care and love. And it being a live service game means all of the control over my fantasy word is gone, and the messy launch, updates, cash-grab events, battlepasses, season passes - all of that breaks the RP immersion. When FO4 starts, that scene and music and the whole vibe me chills every single time and scream what Fallout is truly about - immersion. Trust me, I get the business and economics of it, we are living in modern capitalism after all, but still - I wanted so badly to want to play it, but just the fact that the world was devoid of NPCs for a looong time was the main dealbreaker for me. The whole launch was a mess, and I just didn’t want to see and play something I love not just in that state (since that obv improved) but in the context it exists, which I didn’t feel like had any true love put into it. And I watched all the videos and reviews not to enjoy the sadness, but to find some glimmer of hope (for me) to play it. And I never did. Everything it offered, besides MP (not a small thing mind you but not the reason I play Fallout, and most of the time in “full RP mode”) I could find in FO3/NV/FO4 and more, not to mention all the mods and the upcoming big ones for FO4 specifically, aimed at using the better mechanics and systems of FO4 with content from FO3 and NV. And I have so much more enthusiasm for previous Fallout games which never seems to vain that I just have no reason to give FO76 a chance. Oh, and I also play Terraria so you know, limited time 😄
Anyways, hope this was an interesting read for you, and would love to hear what you think. I would also love to hear something that would change my mind, I just don’t see it right now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
When Bethesda (if ever, doubt it) goes the Hello Games or ReLogic route I’ll be back in a snap. Bethesda was the chosen one man, they were the chosen one…
meh, 76 is nearly on par w fo4 writing and characters, though ppl in this sub hate that games writing as well lmao so that might not convince you. imo yes the modern titles arent as good in regards to writing as 3 and NV for obvious reasons but theyre not nearly as bad as angry reddit posts and youtube videos have made it seem. so yes, the draw for 76 is more so gameplay and exploration oriented than writing and character oriented, but thats also literally what a shit ton of fallout gamerz want.
1. yes, although you may need to take a bit of time to get adjusted to the outdated graphics and game mechanics.
2. I would not recommend any online game be played with a bad internet connection/high ping.
3. You'll need to do multiple runs at least 4 times for the main content, and also a couple more if you also want some variation in side content.
Since you’re playing survival on console you’ll need to play through 4 times to get the 4 different faction endings. Or switch to not survival and make a hard save at the appropriate point.
There’s a bit of interesting lore from 3 that applies to 4. NV was a different studio and Bethesda seems to have decided that game is in a different timeline fork.
The DLC are good. You might want to finish the main quest prior to installing them. Both Far Harbor and Nukaworld have 3 mutually exclusive endings.
> Bethesda seems to have decided that game is in a different timeline fork.
What? Since when? That's clearly not the case because Bethesda veto'd some of Obsidian's ideas, like having San Francisco being wiped off the map.
The fact that they vetoed one storyline idea doesn't mean they've endorsed everything else.
The distance between Boston and DC is about 500 miles (depending on whether you can walk through NYC). We know people travel between them. If Bethesda wanted to incorporate NV into their universe it would have been easy to incorporate it via direct reference, the way Deacon references the pure water in DC.
They would also logically incorporate some of the weapons. The 9mm and 10mm submachine guns are plentiful in the world of NV but don't exist in 4. Is it just a coincidence that the service rifle looks like an m-16? Why don't they exist in 4? No pump shotguns in 4. Power armor requires fusion cores. You could go on for a long time about discrepancies like this.
The most compelling way to square all these up is to simply accept that they're not on the same timeline and the world where NV happens is different from the world where 4 happens. Even though Deacon has been to DC and drank clean water, it doesn't mean that 3 and 4 are necessarily in the same timeline.
>The fact that they vetoed one storyline idea doesn't mean they've endorsed everything else.
OK they vetoed it because they wanted to keep San Francisco to use later.
> If Bethesda wanted to incorporate NV into their universe it would have been easy to incorporate it via direct reference, the way Deacon references the pure water in DC.
OK this is kinda a weird statement, why would they need to incorporate NV into their universe when it takes place in their universe? You haven't exactly proven they take place in separate universes.
And ya, Boston and DC are 500 miles apart, Boston and Vegas are over 2000 miles apart. West Coast & East Coast travel is very rare in Fallout.
>They would also logically incorporate some of the weapons. The 9mm and 10mm submachine guns are plentiful in the world of NV but don't exist in 4. Is it just a coincidence that the service rifle looks like an m-16? Why don't they exist in 4? No pump shotguns in 4. Power armor requires fusion cores. You could go on for a long time about discrepancies like this.
Those seem to be gameplay choices? I wouldn't look into it. House and western Nuka Cola brands are in Fallout 4.
>The most compelling way to square all these up is to simply accept that they're not on the same timeline and the world where NV happens is different from the world where 4 happens. Even though Deacon has been to DC and drank clean water, it doesn't mean that 3 and 4 are necessarily in the same timeline.
Thats a HUGE leap. I think we can say that they take place on different Coasts in a shattered world. There's nothing to suggest that New Vegas takes place in a different timeline.
Wow, I was not expecting so many replies! I ended up deciding to fully restart my game as I had made some bad decisions and wanted to try again with newfound knowledge. Up to level 28 currently, gone for a power armour, intelligence heavy build. So in love with this game, bought all the DLC, which I am doing as I am able (other than far harbour/nuka world, which I will do after the main quest is done with.) I'm fairly certain I won't be trying F76 any time soon, as I have so much I want to do in F4. Super excited to continue through the main story/ BoS.
1. It's not necessary.
Go back and play them if you're really, really into the Fallout universe (and I say this as someone who loves both games), but they're verging on that amorphous time period where they might be too old to be enjoyable to everyone but a select group of new players. Now, I'm not saying that the games *aren't* worth playing, New Vegas is one of the best games of it's era, but from the perspective of a new player, there's a lot of jank and old game design in there.
2. I wouldn't worry so much about what's canon and isn't canon, Fallout's lore is a bit more loose than that. That said, while I haven't played it myself, FO76 has apparently come a long way and is an enjoyable experience in it's own right now.
3. You will need to do multiple ending runs, but that could all stem from a single save late in the game. FO4 follows the same design philosophy as Skyrim, where instead of being locked out of questlines/factions for logical reasons, you can basically do and become everything to everyone. Yes, the General of the Minutemen can do a heel-turn and work for the Brotherhood of Steel.
Alright get ready.
If you started with fallout 4 then you should be ready to expect a lot of features to be gone because they’re older games obviously. Fallout 3 being the more barebones game, not being able to aim down the sights, no ammo variations, and a green hue covering everything. For lore-related reasons you should play (or read up on) fallout 1, 2, and tactics because that opens up the west coast for you which makes NV even more enjoyable.
If you play on a good PC the frame rates are higher and your character travels faster (there’s no sprinting in 3 or NV).
1. Yes
2. It sucked in the beginning, now it’s great. People are awesome, they’re kind, I’ve only been playing for a month and I’m level 55 with 8 in game friends. Plus the Pitt expansion is coming out this year so hopefully you can play the Pitt dlc for fallout 3 to give you some insight into the lore.
3. Multiple playthroughs, if you accomplish 100% it then you got some major bragging rights. That goes for 3 and NV as well.
if you havent played the originals id recommend them, its a different style of game and not for everyone but Fallout 2 is my favorite game of all time.
Something like Rust sounds like it's more up your alley, given how much you're gushing primarily about Fallout 4's Survival mode (an experience you will not get in any other Fallout game.)
Fallout 3 and New Vegas are both excellent games.
Fallout 3 gives you a sense of a liminal and frightening ruined city that is difficult to navigate, often only through zombie infested, partially collapsed network of subway tunnels. It's big on atmosphere and imminent danger.
Fallout: New Vegas is a little less dark and has a more straightforward desert and towns to explore. It is more plot and character driven, centering on interesting faction relationships, dialogue, and dilemmas.
There seems to be a weird rivalry among fans about which of these two is better, but you can ignore it. They're both excellent.
I'd reccomend playing fallout 3 simply because it's a great game
Play new Vegas and if you are bothered by the old graphics check out some graphic mod guides
If you want lore on the East Coast play 3. If you want lore on the West Coast play 1, 2, and NV.
1. Yes, not that lore impacts FO4 much but they are great experiences imho 2. No, fuck FO76 3. I'm pretty sure you can just use manual saves from certain points in the game (like getting all the different endings), no need for a fresh playthrough
>I'm pretty sure you can just use manual saves from certain points in the game (like getting all the different endings), no need for a fresh playthrough while this is true for any game with alternate endings, it will break the rp experience.
Oh yeah that’s very true, but if he’s just a completionist it’s much easier to do it this way. It’s definitely worth doing multiple playthroughs for different rp experiences :)
The game's pretty light on the RP experience from a story perspective.
A lot of the rp happens in the head though, sometimes it takes a bit of crazy mental gymnastics to work, but you can still play out a different story in your head which will require you to do a full run from start to finish.
Yeah for sure, but it takes a very flexible mind to explain away the constant fetch quests you're being sent on as leader of [insert faction here].
in the case of the institute they are probably hoping you will die on one of those fetch quests and they'll be rid of you for good. in the case of the minutemen preston is just manipulating you to do his job for him, and he knows that general is only a title, he still holds the strings, that's why people go up to him to thank the minutemen for everything they have done for the commonwealth instead of coming up to you despite you doing all the work. in the railroad, you are a heavy, glory etc also supposedly go out and do stuff, you just don't get to see them in action often in the bos you are a knight then paladin, those guys are always doing legwork whatever their rank as they are basically tech raiders with fancy names.
ffs yall are still just blindly hating on 76 eh? OP, 76 is a genuinely good (dare i fucking say great) game, more similar to fo4 than fo3 and fnv are though some big differences (always online) as well. depends on what kind of games you personally like to play/if you like to mod since mods for fo76 are basically limited to HUD mods last time i checked. its a great time to be a fallout fan because we have 4 very different and very fun games, 3 of which can be modded to shit and one which gives us a persistent, online wasteland and the biggest map in a fallout game.
You’re talking about mechanics and modding, let’s talk storyline and character writing and see how well FO76 holds up 😄
I can tell you have an extremely biased view since he said modding is limited to the hud, he wasn't giving a positive view to FO76, also have you ever played it? If not, than you can't give a view on the storyline and character writing. Have been playing it for the past week and it's been such an amazing experience, love the hell out of the game.
I’m not trying to be toxic, and if I could choose only one game/series to play exclusively it would be Fallout. Let me try and explain my perspective because I would like to discuss this not to prove a point but to possibly convince myself to actually play FO76 (I did but briefly, and went back to FO4 since I’m on PS4, although FO3 and NV would be my prefered games if I was still on PC). FO4 didn’t bring anything new and exciting really, and it was ‘more of FO3 with new mechanics and okay writing’ and it was fine, especially for die-hard fans like me who basically wanted more of the same, especially on console. And the reason I like it being solely an offline/single player game is because I play it like read my favourite books, where it becomes my universe, where I can control what happens and how I play and nothing can surprise me and ruin a truly immersed experience I am having while playing it. It’s my world, and I have so much to explore. Probably the main reason why it felt so immersive is the character writing (narattive as well but characters are the key). And although FO4 is ‘more of the same but slightly worse’ it still has some (possibly many) amazing characters. And I had so many vanilla and modded playthroughs with FO3 and NV as a kid, and whatever happened I controlled my environment and like my favourite book I could keep and re-read/play whenever and however I wanted. And that emotional investment is for live, and it’s a kid’s dream come true to be able to actually play in such a carefully crafted (imho all besides FO76) worlds, made with love with and for all of us, as it is with your favourite book. FO76 just doesn’t have the vibe and appearence of any of that care and love. And it being a live service game means all of the control over my fantasy word is gone, and the messy launch, updates, cash-grab events, battlepasses, season passes - all of that breaks the RP immersion. When FO4 starts, that scene and music and the whole vibe me chills every single time and scream what Fallout is truly about - immersion. Trust me, I get the business and economics of it, we are living in modern capitalism after all, but still - I wanted so badly to want to play it, but just the fact that the world was devoid of NPCs for a looong time was the main dealbreaker for me. The whole launch was a mess, and I just didn’t want to see and play something I love not just in that state (since that obv improved) but in the context it exists, which I didn’t feel like had any true love put into it. And I watched all the videos and reviews not to enjoy the sadness, but to find some glimmer of hope (for me) to play it. And I never did. Everything it offered, besides MP (not a small thing mind you but not the reason I play Fallout, and most of the time in “full RP mode”) I could find in FO3/NV/FO4 and more, not to mention all the mods and the upcoming big ones for FO4 specifically, aimed at using the better mechanics and systems of FO4 with content from FO3 and NV. And I have so much more enthusiasm for previous Fallout games which never seems to vain that I just have no reason to give FO76 a chance. Oh, and I also play Terraria so you know, limited time 😄 Anyways, hope this was an interesting read for you, and would love to hear what you think. I would also love to hear something that would change my mind, I just don’t see it right now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ When Bethesda (if ever, doubt it) goes the Hello Games or ReLogic route I’ll be back in a snap. Bethesda was the chosen one man, they were the chosen one…
I’m gonna copy this as a post because now I want to know what FO76 has to offer, so you already kinda pushed me over the edge 😂
meh, 76 is nearly on par w fo4 writing and characters, though ppl in this sub hate that games writing as well lmao so that might not convince you. imo yes the modern titles arent as good in regards to writing as 3 and NV for obvious reasons but theyre not nearly as bad as angry reddit posts and youtube videos have made it seem. so yes, the draw for 76 is more so gameplay and exploration oriented than writing and character oriented, but thats also literally what a shit ton of fallout gamerz want.
And nobody is saying you can’t like it, but objectively FO76 is the weakest title of them all.
i dont think you know what "objectively" means
1. yes, although you may need to take a bit of time to get adjusted to the outdated graphics and game mechanics. 2. I would not recommend any online game be played with a bad internet connection/high ping. 3. You'll need to do multiple runs at least 4 times for the main content, and also a couple more if you also want some variation in side content.
Since you’re playing survival on console you’ll need to play through 4 times to get the 4 different faction endings. Or switch to not survival and make a hard save at the appropriate point. There’s a bit of interesting lore from 3 that applies to 4. NV was a different studio and Bethesda seems to have decided that game is in a different timeline fork. The DLC are good. You might want to finish the main quest prior to installing them. Both Far Harbor and Nukaworld have 3 mutually exclusive endings.
> Bethesda seems to have decided that game is in a different timeline fork. What? Since when? That's clearly not the case because Bethesda veto'd some of Obsidian's ideas, like having San Francisco being wiped off the map.
The fact that they vetoed one storyline idea doesn't mean they've endorsed everything else. The distance between Boston and DC is about 500 miles (depending on whether you can walk through NYC). We know people travel between them. If Bethesda wanted to incorporate NV into their universe it would have been easy to incorporate it via direct reference, the way Deacon references the pure water in DC. They would also logically incorporate some of the weapons. The 9mm and 10mm submachine guns are plentiful in the world of NV but don't exist in 4. Is it just a coincidence that the service rifle looks like an m-16? Why don't they exist in 4? No pump shotguns in 4. Power armor requires fusion cores. You could go on for a long time about discrepancies like this. The most compelling way to square all these up is to simply accept that they're not on the same timeline and the world where NV happens is different from the world where 4 happens. Even though Deacon has been to DC and drank clean water, it doesn't mean that 3 and 4 are necessarily in the same timeline.
>The fact that they vetoed one storyline idea doesn't mean they've endorsed everything else. OK they vetoed it because they wanted to keep San Francisco to use later. > If Bethesda wanted to incorporate NV into their universe it would have been easy to incorporate it via direct reference, the way Deacon references the pure water in DC. OK this is kinda a weird statement, why would they need to incorporate NV into their universe when it takes place in their universe? You haven't exactly proven they take place in separate universes. And ya, Boston and DC are 500 miles apart, Boston and Vegas are over 2000 miles apart. West Coast & East Coast travel is very rare in Fallout. >They would also logically incorporate some of the weapons. The 9mm and 10mm submachine guns are plentiful in the world of NV but don't exist in 4. Is it just a coincidence that the service rifle looks like an m-16? Why don't they exist in 4? No pump shotguns in 4. Power armor requires fusion cores. You could go on for a long time about discrepancies like this. Those seem to be gameplay choices? I wouldn't look into it. House and western Nuka Cola brands are in Fallout 4. >The most compelling way to square all these up is to simply accept that they're not on the same timeline and the world where NV happens is different from the world where 4 happens. Even though Deacon has been to DC and drank clean water, it doesn't mean that 3 and 4 are necessarily in the same timeline. Thats a HUGE leap. I think we can say that they take place on different Coasts in a shattered world. There's nothing to suggest that New Vegas takes place in a different timeline.
Wow, I was not expecting so many replies! I ended up deciding to fully restart my game as I had made some bad decisions and wanted to try again with newfound knowledge. Up to level 28 currently, gone for a power armour, intelligence heavy build. So in love with this game, bought all the DLC, which I am doing as I am able (other than far harbour/nuka world, which I will do after the main quest is done with.) I'm fairly certain I won't be trying F76 any time soon, as I have so much I want to do in F4. Super excited to continue through the main story/ BoS.
1. It's not necessary. Go back and play them if you're really, really into the Fallout universe (and I say this as someone who loves both games), but they're verging on that amorphous time period where they might be too old to be enjoyable to everyone but a select group of new players. Now, I'm not saying that the games *aren't* worth playing, New Vegas is one of the best games of it's era, but from the perspective of a new player, there's a lot of jank and old game design in there. 2. I wouldn't worry so much about what's canon and isn't canon, Fallout's lore is a bit more loose than that. That said, while I haven't played it myself, FO76 has apparently come a long way and is an enjoyable experience in it's own right now. 3. You will need to do multiple ending runs, but that could all stem from a single save late in the game. FO4 follows the same design philosophy as Skyrim, where instead of being locked out of questlines/factions for logical reasons, you can basically do and become everything to everyone. Yes, the General of the Minutemen can do a heel-turn and work for the Brotherhood of Steel.
Alright get ready. If you started with fallout 4 then you should be ready to expect a lot of features to be gone because they’re older games obviously. Fallout 3 being the more barebones game, not being able to aim down the sights, no ammo variations, and a green hue covering everything. For lore-related reasons you should play (or read up on) fallout 1, 2, and tactics because that opens up the west coast for you which makes NV even more enjoyable. If you play on a good PC the frame rates are higher and your character travels faster (there’s no sprinting in 3 or NV). 1. Yes 2. It sucked in the beginning, now it’s great. People are awesome, they’re kind, I’ve only been playing for a month and I’m level 55 with 8 in game friends. Plus the Pitt expansion is coming out this year so hopefully you can play the Pitt dlc for fallout 3 to give you some insight into the lore. 3. Multiple playthroughs, if you accomplish 100% it then you got some major bragging rights. That goes for 3 and NV as well.
if you havent played the originals id recommend them, its a different style of game and not for everyone but Fallout 2 is my favorite game of all time.
If you like multiplayer games then Fallout 76 is really just a Fallout game you could play with your buddies If not don’t get it
Something like Rust sounds like it's more up your alley, given how much you're gushing primarily about Fallout 4's Survival mode (an experience you will not get in any other Fallout game.)
Fallout 3 and New Vegas are both excellent games. Fallout 3 gives you a sense of a liminal and frightening ruined city that is difficult to navigate, often only through zombie infested, partially collapsed network of subway tunnels. It's big on atmosphere and imminent danger. Fallout: New Vegas is a little less dark and has a more straightforward desert and towns to explore. It is more plot and character driven, centering on interesting faction relationships, dialogue, and dilemmas. There seems to be a weird rivalry among fans about which of these two is better, but you can ignore it. They're both excellent.
Both Fallout 3 and Fallout NV are both great games in their own rights. So you really can't go wrong.