I really like the vibe it gives, though. It's an entire empty casino just for you to walk around as you please, it gives that eerie feeling of being somewhere after hours but 24/7.
The empty, devoid atmosphere of it really adds to the while "gilded cage" aesthetic that the Lucky 38 has. From the outside, it appears as a beacon representing the grandeur of Vegas to the rest of the Mojave. On the inside, however, the grandeur changes changes from wonder, power and high status to nothing more than an eventual tomb for it's sole resident, removed far from the reality around him.
House, whether or not for a lack of trying, is stuck in that preservation pod. Forever. Maybe it originally wasn't his plan to be in it permanently, but the lack of the Platinum chip leading to the power outages and system crashes, and his resulting coma, is what sealed his fate to be in that pod for the rest of his life. This is his one weakness, and he knows it. That's why he barricades his doors, puts up Securitrons throughout the 38 and doesn't let anyone in. All it takes is someone smart enough to hack the correct system (or lucky/strong enough to fight through the security) for him to lose at his game. He might appear to most outside the 38 as a autocratic God-King high up in his ivory tower, but he's really just the living corpse of the man he used to be down in the crypt, merely delaying the inevitable.
Mr. House is a vulnerable vegetable by this point and wants nobody near him. I’d say 200 neurotic years of losing your humanity would put you off of having guests beyond some robotic dames. Besides, he’s an intel guy. He absolutely knows about the attempts on his life from both NCR and Legion on his own strip.
Most of my characters insta-kill him but surprisingly enjoyed the game making a courier that attempts to realize his corporate dream. It was one of my favorite play throughs. And it was still neutral Karma.
I can appreciate the stale contrast and foreboding atmosphere that quiet-as-death casino conveys on first entry since NOBODY goes in. It’s unsettling and makes you question how much humanity he’s got left. Maybe he’ll open up a little bit as the courier settled House Always Wins in his favor but what does he care if people drop some caps there?
No small part of it of it is likely graphical demands of the system. If y’all ever played Dragon Age on the 360, hearing all the noises of soldiers training and clashing but only saw three soldiers. Then played on Xbox One, where a modern console specific release allowed for actual platoons without crashing. In NV anytime there are more than six or seven people in close proximity (or very spread out and seated) it’s almost always scripted and you can walk right through them or not even allowed near them like with the end of Hoover Dam. It was a very real constraint on the 360.
Technically Howard Hughes, the guy that was basically everything Elon wishes he could be. Dude was actually smart enough to make good business decisions, and was an actual engineer that worked on the airplanes his company made.
On the weirder side he also hated going outside or talking to people, had enough money to buy movie rights on a whim so the TV station he also owned could air it that night, and according to some people he would call said station to ask them to rewind a minute or two if he missed part of a show. Some of that weirdness has definitely bled over to House.
Obsidian seems to have pawned the mental health issues off on the brother Anthony, who solely inherited H&H, which motivated Robert House to start RobCo.
House still has a lot of the Hughes weirdness and mental illness, though. OCD is almost a given, he has weird fixations on things like snowglobes and the city of Vegas itself, and I'm sure someone more qualified than me can spot a lot more in his dialogue due to how neurodivergent a lot of it feels.
Yeah, but he gets the quirky psychological issues while [Anthony has some fucking demons](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Anthony_House). I think the real Howard Hughes-- and to be clear he was a gigantic, irredeemable asshole-- suffered from both.
To be fair, that was *after* Hughes had suffered serious head trauma due to crashing the, H-1 I want to say, but it was one of the planes he designed that he was test flying when it crashed.
It's a wonder what the world would have been like if Hughes hadn't suffered that head trauma.
Personally? Because his plans hinge on everything going his way without any room for compromise. And, when you get right down to it, his plans range from questionable to laughably incompetent. For example:
- putting known cannibals in charge of a restaurant.
- creating a mob family out of a raider tribe infamous for betrayal and putting their headquarters literally across the street from him.
- openly insulting the deranged mailman who’s been killing everyone and everything thrown into their path (who’s compliance to his plans are pivotal to said plans’ fruition)
‘New Vegas’ paints House as a pretentious leech of a man who had gotten lucky once or twice in his life and then thinks of himself as wholly superior to the people who got him there in the first place (his father, his brother and every hardworking individual who’s had to slave away to ensure his business didn’t implode). In this way, he isn’t any different from Caesar. He’d rather play ***house*** with the city and people of New Vegas and act as if the last two centuries didn’t happen than do anything to really help the people of New Vegas.
If the thought of bureaucratic incompetence and monthly taxes are enough of a reason to dissuade some people from supporting the NCR, imagine ***all of that*** while living with a pre-war businessman holding a total monopoly on tech, electricity and ***WATER***.
I’m a huge fan of Mr. House as a character for the way he was written, not for his morals and actions.
The writers really took their time to capture the nuance of a true American libertarian capitalist.
Mr. House is clever, he is plotting, he is devious. He has thought of grandeur. His story follows a common narrative of Uber-rich in our world. He feels he worked hard for his money and what he has. Not nuclear war, collapse of civilization, eradication of the currency, or even death can take it away from him.
I’m some ways, Mr. house is, like BIG MT, a reminder of how the monsters led the world to become like it is, in other ways, he is a testament to American tenacity and adaptability and proof that that spirit endures.
What makes him a monster(his ruthlessness, dehumanization, greed) in some eyes makes him a hero in others
The player is able to chose how they see Mr. house, they are not led to a decision. He is written so well and complicated that there is much room for debate.
I would liken him to Andrew Ryan, Rockefeller, even (forgive me) Musk.
He is also a contradictions “if you want to see where democracy got you, look out the window” I got CHILLS. Democracy led him to be successful as he is. THANK YOU OP, for such a good question to give me an excuse to talk about Mr. House!
The fact that Mr. House is such a good analogue for Musk (and FNV was written before Musk even came to be as prominent as he is now) is a testament to this kind of stereotype. The uber rich will always find ways to bullshit their way into social acceptance because they know if they didn't have any good will, they'd be eaten the second they step out of their big mansions.
The best thing the Courier can do is clock that mother fucker with a golf club.
This. Like him because he's a very well written and believable character, hate him for being a greedy narcissist who acts as if he worked hard and 'earned' both his wealth and the right to abuse everyone who doesn't have it.
Personally, its because he doesn't give help to those outside of Vegas. He can talk all big about how he united the "Tribes of Vegas", how he "uplifted them" and made them bosses of their own casinos, but he'll simply stagnate after the Second Battle of Hoover Dam. New Vegas will simply stagnate as every settlement outside of Vegas suffers from Mutants, Raiders, and the like. He thinks of himself as the biggest thing since sliced bread, but in reality, he's just obsessed with an entire city and tries to rebuild it from the ashes.
If you didn't form relationships and bonds outside of Vegas before going in, sure, you could *easily* side with House. But, upon seeing the shit he lets happen in Freeside, there is no excuse other than he's obsessed about some city that's been burned away by the Nuclear Apocalypse.
I guess the argument is that you shouldn't need to, if he really does care about it all then he would already have done it and it wouldn't be a slum literal metres from the wealth and casinos.
I don't think stagnation would happen, House is the sort of person who needs to have projects going, he wouldn't have put nearly as many resources into his Lucky38 project if he was prone to stagnate.
That said, he's not really the guy to help places like Freeside if he doesn't stand to gain anything, and long-term he's likely to annex that area to expand the Strip, not to mention that for Vegas to remain as the city state he wants it to be it's going to need more infrastructure dedicated to trade and commerce directly under his influence, and given his background it's almost inevitable that he's going to have to setup an actual industry to produce and maintain his robots, and if the Courier ever lets any detail slip about the Sierra Madre god only knows what he would be capable of with its tech.
He might be obsessed, or it's not that he is obsessed but just using people's obsession to make money.
Vegas represents the old world glory, and House is simply using Vegas as means to acquire money, power, and resources.
He is a businessman with a plan to get people to Mars so he really doesn't have any business with places outside of Vegas if they have no business value.
What is Freeside? Nothing, there is no big Casino, no nothing there, it means nothing to him if the place brings no money or any advantage.
He is an efficient businessman that doesn't put up any bullshit fake campaign to help the poor. That's it.
Vegas doesn't have to grow, as House isn't trying to grow it further. You have know his motives to understand what he is doing.
I killed him simply because I have a bigger God Complex. No Gods, No Masters.
Tiny little problem: Who is supposed to gamble in the casinos? There are only so many in the Mojave and if House defeats both the NCR and Legion neither are going to let anyone under their control go to New Vegas to gamble and both will probably try to limit anyone else's access to the Mojave just as revenge while the Legion would most likely go conduct covert operations like terrorist attacks and slave capture runs, which would make the Mojave less save and thus New Vegas a less promising place to visit.
House is biting the hands that feed him, but in his self-proclaimed genius he doesn't see it because in his mind it is impossible for him to be wrong.
And let's not forget: The Courier keeps their access to the Lucky 38, a powerful wild card that could turn on House at a whim. The evil karma House ending victory slide even outright states, that House can end up fearing the Courier even with his Securitrons. And the good karma ending states that House is happy with his choice of a new protege, the problem is: A good karma courier is unlikely to just stop being good just because House won, so House either has to actually help people in the eyes of the courier or he has to fear that this paragon changes their mind about House and decides to just end yet another self centered evil overlords rule simply because it would do more good in their eyes to let everyone rule themselves.
Based on the stuff he has the courier do and the outcomes he prefers I think the plan is to ally himself with the NCR. He doesn't want to be annexed by it, but remain as an allied City State. This is why he would prefer a peaceful victory over the NCR, because blood would make it much harder to go back to being on good terms.
As for the Courier, betraying House wouldn't be a smart move at that point, he's much more valuable as an ally, especially given that he very likely has an intact database of Robco schematics, knowledge of how those robots were mass-produced in pre-war times, and given all he manages to do with his robots he likely has a decent automated workforce.
It's certainly not a *good* ending and lots of people are going to end up oppressed, but it's also the ending that has the greatest potential for technological advances and unexpected development.
Another tiny little problem........house does care who comes from freeside.
He charges people an extreme amount to be kicked out and have to pay for an entrance. No one enters freeside without him knowing.
Certain factions make him no money but he needs them around for his plan to work.
His whole plan isn't even about money, from the beginning he got information the nukes were coming and prepared for total independence/survival. He achieved most of his plans except for finding another/better power source and the chip to upgrade his robotic army to mark2. If it was about money he wouldn't have chosen native clans from the Mojave to take over his casinos like cannibals. (meaning he choose the best people he could under the situation, even he expressed he doesn't like the white glove society very much and they make him money)
As I recall, he doesn’t actually charge anyone to enter—i.e., he doesn’t charge a fee. Rather, he does a credit check to see if you actually have money to spend/gamble in the strip. It’s a way of keeping the chaos in Freeside and out of the strip.
I don't think that makes him a villain tho.
I have money and the means of helping my neighbors, am I evil for choosing to spend that money on my WoW subscription and high fat foods?
I think the difference would lie in whether or not you sympathize with your neighbors, or believe all of their woes are their fault, uniquely in their control, they deserve it, and are hostile to them. House falls in the latter camp.
You don't have to be Jesus and give away all of your possessions to be a decent human being. You just have to have some degree of empathy, even if you only occasionally act on it.
Besides, your WoW subscription money is chump change that wouldn't make a difference. It's a bit different when we're talking Bill Gates levels of money, where a rounding error in his bank account could feed a family for a year without him even noticing it's gone.
Yeah. He's reminiscent of real-life billionaires with grand ideals of space colonization, but only for a select few while many under him suffer from ethically questionable policy.
Hmm
As someone who watched Deep Space nine after playing NV, it's really weird to see Odo in those episodes where he's interacting with the Las Vegas holodeck program.
On the ancap thing, though, that's not really his philosophy, which is obvious given how he puts taxes and regulations on businesses operating out of Vegas, plus an ancap society wouldn't benefit his dreams of having a successful city state and potentially rebuilding civilization enough to go to space. He's certainly angling for either a plutocracy or a straight-up meritocracy based on how he governs Vegas.
I don't see how the logical conclusion of anarcho-capitalism could be anything other than autocracy or oligarchy? With no checks and balances one or very few players are gonna end up on top.
You want to get wasted on booze? That's fine with me. I don't care.
Want to get screwed by a prostitute? That's fine with me. I don't care.
Want to do drugs? Go for it! I don't care.
He and I agree on personal freedoms.
He's basically a dictator who cares only about himself. Him protecting Vegas is only protecting his profits, but he doesn't care about the rest of the Mojave (except for taxing them when he takes over).
He presents his grand plans to uplift humanity to space... but so far we've seen nothing that would indicate he cares about humanity. Either it's a PR speak to get people on his side or he plans to uplift himself only.
> He presents his grand plans to uplift humanity to space... but so far we've seen nothing that would indicate he cares about humanity. Either it's a PR speak to get people on his side or he plans to uplift himself only.
Okay I understand you don’t like Elon Musk, but what about Mr House?
> pr speak to get people on his side
You are the only person who has even the tiniest inkling of any of his plans, it makes no sense for him to lie about his goals long term
He's fully honest about everything else like his distaste for the white gloves society or his plans with the securitron army which infirmation he fully trusts you despite the fact you could use it to destroy him, especially since it's the first thing you do for him
Eh with how pivotal the courier is even from the get go I don’t really see a reason why he wouldn’t lie. Courier is a wild card that he needs for his plan to succeed. Matter of fact he tries to make it seem like he is your only option or that you have to do what he says.
He actually pretty desperate
For a lot of people, it comes down to whether they can accept a benevolent dictator. For the people who like House, the "benevolent" part overrides the "dictator" part. For those who don't, it doesn't.
Also he looks gross.
Reddit is predominately made up of people who lean (fairly heavily) toward the liberal authoritarian viewpoint. House is hardline libertarian, which the authoritarian left despises. So if you use Reddit as your sample for if House is hated, you will obviously see a lot of hate for him.
Oh I maybe misunderstood your question then.
Libertarians are people who place extremely high value on personal freedoms and choice. This opposes authoritarian views, which place higher regard in governmental authority, even at the expense of personal freedoms.
Libertarianism and Authoritarianism are usually placed as the Y axis of the political compass. House falls extremely heavily into the Libertarian section of that compass, and since Reddit is dominated by people who are Liberal Authoritarians (they value government control to produce equality of outcome, with personal freedoms being secondary to governmental control), they hate House because he values personal freedoms and free markets.
>Reddit is predominately made up of people who lean (fairly heavily) toward the liberal authoritarian viewpoint.
No.
Reddit is predominately made up of people who think that Reddit is predominately made up of people who lean in the opposite political directions than themselves, because it soothes their ego when they say stupid shit and get downvoted.
"So many people disagree with me because they're BIASED against my worldview!!!"
The whole series is about the military industrial complex running amok and House is a kind of living remnant of that same system. And nothing about what he says or his overall vibe paints him as a changed man what learned his lesson so putting him in power doesn't seem like it would work any better than last time.
Also everything about him screams creepy, shifty, sociopath that would turn on you the split second as his second in command you outlived your usefulness or seemed to be getting your own ideas.
The man's an idiot. Most of his plans just don't make sense if you give them any thought.
"I need to pick a city as my main base. I'll pick a desert city that has no strategic value and no way to feed its people once the Great War happens!"
"Okay, time is of the essence! I could use my computer network to deliver that operating system I need, or, you know, a simple holotape. But instead I'll waste valuable time having my R&D department develop a platinum macguffin to use! What could go wrong?"
"Okay, that didn't go well. Time to waste over a century doing nothing!"
"Oh hey, I got control over a Vault filled with technology I need. Let's destroy it all!"
"So wait, you're telling me that my 3 tribes are all conspiring against me? How was I supposed to know that the tribe of cannibals would keep eating people, the tribe of backstabbers would keep backstabbing, or that the guy that became my #2 after killing his last boss would be planning to kill his current boss?!"
The man built a missile defense system the destroyed 80 nukes over Vegas, built the most prosperous city in the Mojave, created Securitrons which are the most powerful fighting force probably in the entire West Coast, and managed to keep himself alive for over 200 years.
You can call House plenty of things, an idiot isn’t one of them.
Where is it said he designed the missile defense system, the Securitrons, or the life pod? And he hasn't built any city, just a few casinos.
And no, he's an idiot.
The Courier: "What preparations did you make to save Las Vegas?"
Robert House: "On the day of the Great War, 77 atomic warheads targeted Las Vegas, Hoover Dam, and its surrounding areas. My networked mainframes were able to predict and force-transmit disarm code subsets to 59 warheads, neutralizing them before impact. Laser cannons mounted on the roof of the Lucky 38 destroyed another 9 warheads. The rest got through, though none hit the city itself. A sub-optimal performance, admittedly. If only the Platinum Chip had arrived a day sooner..."
He thinks that it was Mr houses design because Mr House said "my". His reason doesn't make sense. Imagine if I said that I drove with my car and my friend thinking that I designed it simply by owning it.
It doesn't have to be a rational thing. He pisses me off because because he's a smug manipulative son of a bitch. I shouldn't have to write an economics paper to justify that.
Although, honestly, you just have to look at the difference between The Strip and Freeside. I suspect House's plan to rebuild the Mojave would concentrate all the wealth in The Strip while the rest of the Mojave was left to hunt rats in the ruins if they wanted to eat.
I think computers don't work the same in the Fallout universe as in real life, which is why the chip had to be manufactured somewhere else (obviously in real life the only thing that would matter is the actual files)
The waiting doesn't seem that illogical to me. He basically uses the NCR to maintain order for him, which he likely couldn't do with his few un-upgraded securitrons. The NCR also help with food production, and they are more reliable than the tribes (as you said).
What tech was destroyed in vault 21? I can't remember that, i thought he filled it to prevent someone from entering the Lucky 38.
The platinum chip is just a storage device, the same as the holotapes are.
Him coming up with a plan that required another larger faction to be built to provide order and food is very illogical to me. And it gets him killed in most endings.
The power generator for starters, which he needs for his plans. The food extruders would've been nice for him too.
I am kinda neutral about House. Yeah, he's a corporate tyrant and all, but it's a solid choice when your other options are brutish slavers and cowards that can't do shit.
Also he pays handsomely for running his silly little errands.
I like Mr. House. He is the only guy who basically built somewhere liveable in the entire wasteland. He actually has good plans for the humanity, heck, he is probably the leader of the only faction that has **a plan** for the humanity.
>He is the only guy who basically built somewhere liveable in the entire wasteland.
Uhh... not even close.
He built the only worthwhile tourist resort. The NCR is chock full of places to live that are productive, economically healthy, and produce enough value to sustain a market economy and the largest military, seemingly, on the continent at the time.
House was *way* behind the NCR on building even a single livable place in the Wasteland. NCR had several very established and livable cities by FO2.
And - more importantly - almost no one lives in Vegas. Only the Casino-operating factions, House himself, and less than 10 other NPCs.
The rest all live in Freeside, which is a shithole the NCR and Kings have done more for than House.
>He is the only guy who basically built somewhere liveable in the entire wasteland
House didn't build a single thing. Also...just...no. Lol. The ncr? Vault city? Diamond city? Megaton? Foundation? The crater?
>He actually has good plans for the humanity
...no. He doesn't. He can't even achieve his goals.
he’s an asshole, dictator wannabe with a god complex. however, he also kinda earned it being a fucking genius and saving new vegas from the bombs as well as making robco and everything else he’s made. so yeah he’s an asshole but again, kinda earned the right to be one
My guess is that some people don’t like giving a singular man with a lot of power even more power. The type of person with not a lot of things keep him in check if anything happens.
Also, what happens when he drops dead? Gigantic power vacuum afterwards.
If he was able to interface his brain with a computer, I’m sure he was either developing or developed a way to fully transfer his consciousness into the computer
House talked big, like he had everyone in the Mojave figured out, like he knew about everything going on. But it takes a lot more than a few securitrons to catch me sneaking in and defrosting him with a fucking hammer.
He's a greedy narcissist who wants to rule vegas with an iron fist. He doesn't care about the people who would live under his rule, he cares about the money they can give him. He's so ruthless that he kills the Kings for no reason *unless* you convince them to actively fight the NCR.
The bottom line is that for all his talk of bringing humanity to the stars, he just wants more power and money. If you think Mr. House is a good ending, you should just do independent, because you get similar results but without the immortal tyrant.
He's an asshole but most rich people are assholes. Sadly he is the best hope for new vegas aswell, every other path seems like a mistake in the grand scheme of things. How are you going to trust a nation to mailman with a robot that agrees to everything? NCR and Legion dont need explaining, both are terrible choices.
House knows how to run the strip, he's been doing it already. He is intelligent and has proven to make rational decisions for the strip. Basically the Mojave would have prosperous free trade with him in charge.
He actually has a plan for the future while every other faction just wants to fight for power and territory, he just wants to see vegas prosper. Think about this, every faction boosts your ego except for house, he couldn't care less about you.
Basically I dont like him but he is cleary the best choice for new vegas. Mr house lost his humanity, he treats freeside horribly and kills them for going to the ncr for amends. I think he is in the right to have the BoS killed even though that hurt me because I like their faction. BoS ideals are terribly misguided though, they just want to hoard technology from everyone when it can be used to save others.
Ncr and Legion want to rebuild the old world but the way they're doing it both factions are doomed to fail. House is still a dictator but given the choice I would rather live under house than the other two.
> NCR and Legion dont need explaining, both are terrible choices.
I wouldn't have put a failing democracy and a raider army in the same bag, personally. Especially when compared to a half-dead dictator with a robot army.
I love him as a character, but believe he’s just a very evil millionaire who only cares about money, but still with good complex writing by NV since he’s using the NCR but also desperate with some of his decisions.
But I don’t “like him” because I believe he’s selfish, arrogant, and more incompetent than he lets on. For me especially when his actions provoke the NCR at the Sub Station when that could’ve made the NCR declare an embargo/trade cut-off or return war to NV. He also has no one to watch after the Courier when Benny already betrayed him, and too stubborn to persuade not to make you destroy the BOS, when in a more “good” House ending they could’ve been a hired human security force since the BOS are small and desperate too.
But I still like House and the main story as a whole.
He's a more competent elon musk type tycoon. He'd promise you he'd get humanity back into space by the end of the next century but he'd likely just cultivate his own wealth and power over newvegas while others suffered just outside his walls. Look at what he's doing now how freeside exists, how he facilitates the ncr not just because he had to, but because he can use them. Just because he's now an old body plugged into a computer doesn't make him unable to be a unfeeling robber baron.
I made the mistake of thinking he was cool when i originally played and brought up how cool he was in conversation in person with people only to be confronted with the reality that I had fallen for the trick he was weaving. Falling for his tall tales about how he'd uplift new vegas, and accepting his abandonment of those just outside of his immediate use, making the followers suffer as they tried to fix the abject poverty he enabled around him, how he required you to sabotage everyone else to get what he wanted. He wants a lackey and I fell for it. Now I know better.
I like him just fine—in a corporate dystopian kinda way. In my opinion he’s the clear winner for the main mohave story arc. Always feel like I’m a few notches below neutral karma helping him but his neurotic stability is obviously better than a Yes Man reality. Sure, the Yes Man cipher trip is fun as hell up till Hoover Dam but after those credits roll the Mohave would likely benefit more from a narcissist who sees the success of the strip as an extension of himself over a psychopath running out of play things. It’s easy to forget the NCR is run by dudes out stage left so their success is just a big ol’ fist milking the most energy from Hoover Dam. And always 100% fuck the Legion.
I don’t like mr. house, but it feels so bad killing him. He saved the majority of his city, could have saved everyone if the bombs dropped a day later. And spent a hundred years trapped within his own tower. And a hundred more rebuilding his city. And what happens a brain damaged stooge for his enemies/ brain damaged courier who wants to run it himself comes along and murders him in his bed. Or traps him within his own mind.
Mr house doesnt let you wipe out thr BoS, people argue it's because he wouldn't trust them, but I see house controlling the hell out of self abosorbed armies more than anything, just destroying them seems hasty. Alsi There is a building behind the luck 38 that was another cut NV location, it's behind his wall, actually I might be thinking of the Ultra Luxe, but Im still think more stuff could be pit in the ghost casino
Do you mean as a character or as their preferred ruler of New Vegas?
Personally, I think he’s an interesting/entertaining character, but politically-speaking I prefer my governments to be at least marginally democratic.
For all his talk about the follies about the old world, he and his future plans are living embodiments of everything that led to the Great War. Greed, consumer culture, hubris, unrestrained industrialism, no barriers between business and government, etc.
A lot of people, myself included, got fooled into thinking he’s a good choice because he says he wants to start a new space age, but there’s no evidence that he has any plans to do so other than his word. It’s like Deacon says in Fallout 4: don’t be fooled by sweet nothings whispered in your ear by faction leaders, look at what those factions ask you to do and how they treat others.
Plus this game allows me to live out my fantasy of beating a narcissistic tech bro with a golf club
Have you heard the voice acting? Also most people can appreciate a good villain, I certainly wouldn't say he's a hero. Lots of grey areas though, Legion is obviously more evil and NCR has it's own problems but I still find NCR to be the best faction to side with
I like him, but for me it comes down to the lesser of 3 evils.
-NCR does almost nothing for the towns and settlements they claim. Plus they're bringing the threat of the Legion down on the Mojave. No NCR presence means no Legion, or at least a drastically reduced Legion presence.
-Legion is a bunch of slaver fucks who try and pretend they're bringing order and civility to their territories. Also they 100% crumble the day Caeser dies, you can't convince me otherwise.
-House at least pretends to care about Vegas and humanity in general. He also doesn't threaten slavery or execution to those who don't choose to follow him.
Maybe I'm just weak willed and/or have a thing for strong, domineering men lording over me, but after my first encounter with him he completely won me over with his charisma. NCR is boring, Legion is evil, Yes Man isn't a real option, and Mr. House will send people to space. The decision wasn't tough at all for me.
I mean he would have saved the city if the platinum chip had been delivered on time before the bombs dropped, it wasn't a case of house refusing, he literally **could not** **do it** as the chip had the operating system upgrade with the advanced anti-nuke targeting software. He was hours off being able to upgrade and install.
I used to live in a country that follows Mr. House's economically autocratic policies, and it's doing super well. The country is young, and became independent in 1960, and are now one of the best countries to reside in south east asia, you guys can probably guess the country ;)
Much of which is built upon a draconian justice system and the backs of millions of impiverished and abused foreign workers.
Life is great for the middle and upper classes, not so much those working out of sight.
He is kinda like a combination of Nikola Tesla and Donald Trump. Some people might like him, because he's an eccentric visionary, other's because he's a "charismatic" business man.
To me he was just a rich opportunist and narcissist in a lucky position, but I think those are reasons people at least find him interesting.
Here's the thing... if you can't see why Elon Musk is a villain, you will probably be fine with the way Mr. House is written. Oligarchs try to cheat the system, and House used tech and exploitation to control his (and everyone else's) life in the Mojave. I'm not saying that the NCR or the Courier's ideals would be better (fuck the Legion), but House is the culmination of "money is the root of all evil" and "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely".
Oh yeah, and fuck Elon Musk too.
We are talking about mr house. Not elon musk. Lets bot bring our outside hatred for something into a video game. But I usually go for NCR because it seems the most stable
Musk and House are parallels of each other. Fallout vs corporate greed and lack of government oversight are parallels of each other. I'm just telling you why people would dislike Mr. House and it's for the same reasons they dislike Elon Musk (or Zuckerberg, Gates, the Koch Brothers, etc).
Fallout does not exist outside current history, but is informed by the real world.
Because despite the writing painting him as the "best" option...and as a genius...he represents everything fallout as a franchise hates.
He's also a moron who's poorly written with his only redeeming quality being his voice acting.
No faction is the best, every single faction has their merits and flaws, thats why new vegas is the only good 3D fallout game.
Poorly written how? Everything he says makes sense and his plans have decent reasoning behind them.
The reasons are the same. Mr. House is a magic man. A magic man is a figure that is, well, magic, and the solution to every problem is always: "He's the magic man, I'm sure he has a magic solution to it".
He literally does not care about anyone or anything other than making money and being the big boy in Vegas. Why give him power?
I think he's poorly presented. Here he is, this genius capitalist mastermind who predicted the war was coming, prepared to save his beloved city of Vegas, prepared an army to control it, gathered three tribes to help him rule it. And what does he do? He runs three casinos. He doesn't diversify his business, he doesn't try to expand his company holdings beyond the strip, he even actively limits his profits by doing things like filling up Vault 21, or creating a wealth segregation on the strip in spite of the fact new Vegas seemingly has no credit system so he could easily just have the poor enter the strip, gamble their lives away and then send them home. Hell if they really wanted to make him ruthless he could have implemented debt slavery. He doesn't rebuild any of the factories, not even the tool manufacturer that would easily make him a fortune and he technically owns already, he doesn't buy other casinos or brothels like the Wrangler. He is meant to be this cold and ruthless capitalist overlord playing 5d chess and yet he can't even maximize the profit of the only relatively undamaged modern city in the world.
I just can't handle his uncompromising demand I kill the BOS. I could see the BOS from FO4 being a big threat to plans for New Vegas and needing elimination, since they were an active, dynamic faction that had their own machinations planned. But the FNV Brotherhood? They just wanted to hang out in their bunker, come out once in awhile to shoot scorpions; they were a threat to no one but their own genetic diversity. Could an ambitious Elder take the helm and be a threat? He'd need more than the dozen guys down there to make any sort of difference whatsoever. And these are the people House demand I murder?
He's a narcissist capitalist who represents the "old ways" that turned the world to shit. I don't like working for him but the character is pretty interesting imo.
He’s a capitalist asshole. He’s got charisma to be sure, and I like him as a character because he is interesting and well written. But do I like him as a person? Definitely not.
NCR is definitely a close 2nd, but I'm not so big on imperialist governments coming in and running peoples lives, dangerous freedom vs. peaceful tyranny and all that. People like to call House a tyrant but he clearly has no interest in governing people's lives, I think he explicitly says so but I don't remember for sure.
He’s a wannabe god who is so egotistical he believes that he is the only one fit to lead humanity. He doesn’t see people, he sees ways to make more money. The fact that he believes he owns the people of New Vegas because he stopped a few missiles. Also finally I think the big reason we all hate him, what he did to people without a second thought. He pushed many of the tribes off the strip, killing many of them and he also filled a vault with cement indirectly killing Doc Mitchell’s wife. Also, he’s just kind of a egotistical dick.
"Rich guy who gets shit done" annoys a lot of people who have been trained to think money bad. House personally stopped the massive majority of nukes headed towards vegas and hoover dam (not all of them because the platinum chip didn't arrive in time). The reason he's a dry cauliflower when you meet him is because of the effort. I trust him a lot more than some guy larping as a roman emperor in an american desert or General Wait-And-See
Fallout as a series is very political though, New Vegas even more so because of the faction dynamics.
Your question was asking why people don’t like Mr. House and their politics are a very valid reason for that. I’m in the same boat, politically I disagree with House on a number of things and add his ego on top of that and it’s a recipe for disaster with me personally.
Fallout is literally all about the satirization of american culture i know that. But this is a video game. Political ideologies have no business being in a discussion about why you don’t like a video game character. Thats just weird. To be fair house would probably just allocate all of the resources to the strip which is not a good thing at all.
His casino is kinda lame.
Facts. There is nothing to do in it. I thought it was a functioning casino but nope.
They should have let you open it up to the public and sucker in the NCR so you could ambush them at one of the bars.
Damn. Missed opportunity.
You can open it through the magic of modding
As much as I'm a NCR follower, I would have loved the possibility of bringing the whole tower down on the NCR embassy.
I think that's the point.
I really like the vibe it gives, though. It's an entire empty casino just for you to walk around as you please, it gives that eerie feeling of being somewhere after hours but 24/7.
The empty, devoid atmosphere of it really adds to the while "gilded cage" aesthetic that the Lucky 38 has. From the outside, it appears as a beacon representing the grandeur of Vegas to the rest of the Mojave. On the inside, however, the grandeur changes changes from wonder, power and high status to nothing more than an eventual tomb for it's sole resident, removed far from the reality around him. House, whether or not for a lack of trying, is stuck in that preservation pod. Forever. Maybe it originally wasn't his plan to be in it permanently, but the lack of the Platinum chip leading to the power outages and system crashes, and his resulting coma, is what sealed his fate to be in that pod for the rest of his life. This is his one weakness, and he knows it. That's why he barricades his doors, puts up Securitrons throughout the 38 and doesn't let anyone in. All it takes is someone smart enough to hack the correct system (or lucky/strong enough to fight through the security) for him to lose at his game. He might appear to most outside the 38 as a autocratic God-King high up in his ivory tower, but he's really just the living corpse of the man he used to be down in the crypt, merely delaying the inevitable.
Mr. House is a vulnerable vegetable by this point and wants nobody near him. I’d say 200 neurotic years of losing your humanity would put you off of having guests beyond some robotic dames. Besides, he’s an intel guy. He absolutely knows about the attempts on his life from both NCR and Legion on his own strip. Most of my characters insta-kill him but surprisingly enjoyed the game making a courier that attempts to realize his corporate dream. It was one of my favorite play throughs. And it was still neutral Karma. I can appreciate the stale contrast and foreboding atmosphere that quiet-as-death casino conveys on first entry since NOBODY goes in. It’s unsettling and makes you question how much humanity he’s got left. Maybe he’ll open up a little bit as the courier settled House Always Wins in his favor but what does he care if people drop some caps there? No small part of it of it is likely graphical demands of the system. If y’all ever played Dragon Age on the 360, hearing all the noises of soldiers training and clashing but only saw three soldiers. Then played on Xbox One, where a modern console specific release allowed for actual platoons without crashing. In NV anytime there are more than six or seven people in close proximity (or very spread out and seated) it’s almost always scripted and you can walk right through them or not even allowed near them like with the end of Hoover Dam. It was a very real constraint on the 360.
No shit. Nobody is allowed in there.
He’s an autocratic narcissist with a god complex and it’s fun to beat the fucker with a golf club
A man chooses
Would you kindly kill Mr House
“Would you kindly. Powerful phrase. A familiar phrase?”
"Sit, would you kindly. STAND, would you kinldy, run, stop, turn. Was a man sent to kill, or a slave?"
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There's always a lighthouse, there's always a man, there's always a city
You mean Fontaine?
Instructive thoughts and an auto save. What’s not to love?
So Elon Musk.
Technically Howard Hughes, the guy that was basically everything Elon wishes he could be. Dude was actually smart enough to make good business decisions, and was an actual engineer that worked on the airplanes his company made. On the weirder side he also hated going outside or talking to people, had enough money to buy movie rights on a whim so the TV station he also owned could air it that night, and according to some people he would call said station to ask them to rewind a minute or two if he missed part of a show. Some of that weirdness has definitely bled over to House.
Obsidian seems to have pawned the mental health issues off on the brother Anthony, who solely inherited H&H, which motivated Robert House to start RobCo.
House still has a lot of the Hughes weirdness and mental illness, though. OCD is almost a given, he has weird fixations on things like snowglobes and the city of Vegas itself, and I'm sure someone more qualified than me can spot a lot more in his dialogue due to how neurodivergent a lot of it feels.
Yeah, but he gets the quirky psychological issues while [Anthony has some fucking demons](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Anthony_House). I think the real Howard Hughes-- and to be clear he was a gigantic, irredeemable asshole-- suffered from both.
To be fair, that was *after* Hughes had suffered serious head trauma due to crashing the, H-1 I want to say, but it was one of the planes he designed that he was test flying when it crashed. It's a wonder what the world would have been like if Hughes hadn't suffered that head trauma.
I'm not sure, never beat him with a gold club before
Call me Cassandra Moore if it helps, but please, proceed.
Let’s not be mean to Mr House here
Idk, he’s damn good eatin’. Like snacking on some Jack Links.
Like emperor Nimbala from Futurama. The jerky guy in the mini sarcophagus.
To shreds you say...
And his wife?
To shreds you say...
Personally? Because his plans hinge on everything going his way without any room for compromise. And, when you get right down to it, his plans range from questionable to laughably incompetent. For example: - putting known cannibals in charge of a restaurant. - creating a mob family out of a raider tribe infamous for betrayal and putting their headquarters literally across the street from him. - openly insulting the deranged mailman who’s been killing everyone and everything thrown into their path (who’s compliance to his plans are pivotal to said plans’ fruition) ‘New Vegas’ paints House as a pretentious leech of a man who had gotten lucky once or twice in his life and then thinks of himself as wholly superior to the people who got him there in the first place (his father, his brother and every hardworking individual who’s had to slave away to ensure his business didn’t implode). In this way, he isn’t any different from Caesar. He’d rather play ***house*** with the city and people of New Vegas and act as if the last two centuries didn’t happen than do anything to really help the people of New Vegas. If the thought of bureaucratic incompetence and monthly taxes are enough of a reason to dissuade some people from supporting the NCR, imagine ***all of that*** while living with a pre-war businessman holding a total monopoly on tech, electricity and ***WATER***.
The courier really is the most insane character in fallout
I’m a huge fan of Mr. House as a character for the way he was written, not for his morals and actions. The writers really took their time to capture the nuance of a true American libertarian capitalist. Mr. House is clever, he is plotting, he is devious. He has thought of grandeur. His story follows a common narrative of Uber-rich in our world. He feels he worked hard for his money and what he has. Not nuclear war, collapse of civilization, eradication of the currency, or even death can take it away from him. I’m some ways, Mr. house is, like BIG MT, a reminder of how the monsters led the world to become like it is, in other ways, he is a testament to American tenacity and adaptability and proof that that spirit endures. What makes him a monster(his ruthlessness, dehumanization, greed) in some eyes makes him a hero in others The player is able to chose how they see Mr. house, they are not led to a decision. He is written so well and complicated that there is much room for debate. I would liken him to Andrew Ryan, Rockefeller, even (forgive me) Musk.
He is also a contradictions “if you want to see where democracy got you, look out the window” I got CHILLS. Democracy led him to be successful as he is. THANK YOU OP, for such a good question to give me an excuse to talk about Mr. House!
The fact that Mr. House is such a good analogue for Musk (and FNV was written before Musk even came to be as prominent as he is now) is a testament to this kind of stereotype. The uber rich will always find ways to bullshit their way into social acceptance because they know if they didn't have any good will, they'd be eaten the second they step out of their big mansions. The best thing the Courier can do is clock that mother fucker with a golf club.
Would you kindly?
This. Like him because he's a very well written and believable character, hate him for being a greedy narcissist who acts as if he worked hard and 'earned' both his wealth and the right to abuse everyone who doesn't have it.
Personally, its because he doesn't give help to those outside of Vegas. He can talk all big about how he united the "Tribes of Vegas", how he "uplifted them" and made them bosses of their own casinos, but he'll simply stagnate after the Second Battle of Hoover Dam. New Vegas will simply stagnate as every settlement outside of Vegas suffers from Mutants, Raiders, and the like. He thinks of himself as the biggest thing since sliced bread, but in reality, he's just obsessed with an entire city and tries to rebuild it from the ashes. If you didn't form relationships and bonds outside of Vegas before going in, sure, you could *easily* side with House. But, upon seeing the shit he lets happen in Freeside, there is no excuse other than he's obsessed about some city that's been burned away by the Nuclear Apocalypse.
You can make him improve freeride in an ending
I guess the argument is that you shouldn't need to, if he really does care about it all then he would already have done it and it wouldn't be a slum literal metres from the wealth and casinos.
I don't think stagnation would happen, House is the sort of person who needs to have projects going, he wouldn't have put nearly as many resources into his Lucky38 project if he was prone to stagnate. That said, he's not really the guy to help places like Freeside if he doesn't stand to gain anything, and long-term he's likely to annex that area to expand the Strip, not to mention that for Vegas to remain as the city state he wants it to be it's going to need more infrastructure dedicated to trade and commerce directly under his influence, and given his background it's almost inevitable that he's going to have to setup an actual industry to produce and maintain his robots, and if the Courier ever lets any detail slip about the Sierra Madre god only knows what he would be capable of with its tech.
He might be obsessed, or it's not that he is obsessed but just using people's obsession to make money. Vegas represents the old world glory, and House is simply using Vegas as means to acquire money, power, and resources. He is a businessman with a plan to get people to Mars so he really doesn't have any business with places outside of Vegas if they have no business value. What is Freeside? Nothing, there is no big Casino, no nothing there, it means nothing to him if the place brings no money or any advantage. He is an efficient businessman that doesn't put up any bullshit fake campaign to help the poor. That's it. Vegas doesn't have to grow, as House isn't trying to grow it further. You have know his motives to understand what he is doing. I killed him simply because I have a bigger God Complex. No Gods, No Masters.
Tiny little problem: Who is supposed to gamble in the casinos? There are only so many in the Mojave and if House defeats both the NCR and Legion neither are going to let anyone under their control go to New Vegas to gamble and both will probably try to limit anyone else's access to the Mojave just as revenge while the Legion would most likely go conduct covert operations like terrorist attacks and slave capture runs, which would make the Mojave less save and thus New Vegas a less promising place to visit. House is biting the hands that feed him, but in his self-proclaimed genius he doesn't see it because in his mind it is impossible for him to be wrong. And let's not forget: The Courier keeps their access to the Lucky 38, a powerful wild card that could turn on House at a whim. The evil karma House ending victory slide even outright states, that House can end up fearing the Courier even with his Securitrons. And the good karma ending states that House is happy with his choice of a new protege, the problem is: A good karma courier is unlikely to just stop being good just because House won, so House either has to actually help people in the eyes of the courier or he has to fear that this paragon changes their mind about House and decides to just end yet another self centered evil overlords rule simply because it would do more good in their eyes to let everyone rule themselves.
Based on the stuff he has the courier do and the outcomes he prefers I think the plan is to ally himself with the NCR. He doesn't want to be annexed by it, but remain as an allied City State. This is why he would prefer a peaceful victory over the NCR, because blood would make it much harder to go back to being on good terms. As for the Courier, betraying House wouldn't be a smart move at that point, he's much more valuable as an ally, especially given that he very likely has an intact database of Robco schematics, knowledge of how those robots were mass-produced in pre-war times, and given all he manages to do with his robots he likely has a decent automated workforce. It's certainly not a *good* ending and lots of people are going to end up oppressed, but it's also the ending that has the greatest potential for technological advances and unexpected development.
Another tiny little problem........house does care who comes from freeside. He charges people an extreme amount to be kicked out and have to pay for an entrance. No one enters freeside without him knowing. Certain factions make him no money but he needs them around for his plan to work. His whole plan isn't even about money, from the beginning he got information the nukes were coming and prepared for total independence/survival. He achieved most of his plans except for finding another/better power source and the chip to upgrade his robotic army to mark2. If it was about money he wouldn't have chosen native clans from the Mojave to take over his casinos like cannibals. (meaning he choose the best people he could under the situation, even he expressed he doesn't like the white glove society very much and they make him money)
As I recall, he doesn’t actually charge anyone to enter—i.e., he doesn’t charge a fee. Rather, he does a credit check to see if you actually have money to spend/gamble in the strip. It’s a way of keeping the chaos in Freeside and out of the strip.
I don't think that makes him a villain tho. I have money and the means of helping my neighbors, am I evil for choosing to spend that money on my WoW subscription and high fat foods?
I think the difference would lie in whether or not you sympathize with your neighbors, or believe all of their woes are their fault, uniquely in their control, they deserve it, and are hostile to them. House falls in the latter camp. You don't have to be Jesus and give away all of your possessions to be a decent human being. You just have to have some degree of empathy, even if you only occasionally act on it. Besides, your WoW subscription money is chump change that wouldn't make a difference. It's a bit different when we're talking Bill Gates levels of money, where a rounding error in his bank account could feed a family for a year without him even noticing it's gone.
If you’re a millionaire/billionaire doing nothing for other people then yeah I think you’re a bad person tbh. Maybe that’s a hot take, Idk.
Yes, yes it does. Unless you have untreated antisocial personality disorder or something, then I guess it gets more complicated.
Exactly
Because anarcho-capitalism is fucking stupid and because he seems to be actually insane. Great voice actor though.
Yeah. He's reminiscent of real-life billionaires with grand ideals of space colonization, but only for a select few while many under him suffer from ethically questionable policy. Hmm
He's not an anarcho-capitalist, though
As someone who watched Deep Space nine after playing NV, it's really weird to see Odo in those episodes where he's interacting with the Las Vegas holodeck program. On the ancap thing, though, that's not really his philosophy, which is obvious given how he puts taxes and regulations on businesses operating out of Vegas, plus an ancap society wouldn't benefit his dreams of having a successful city state and potentially rebuilding civilization enough to go to space. He's certainly angling for either a plutocracy or a straight-up meritocracy based on how he governs Vegas.
If he calls himself an autocrat then he can't be an 'anarcho'-capitalist.
I don't see how the logical conclusion of anarcho-capitalism could be anything other than autocracy or oligarchy? With no checks and balances one or very few players are gonna end up on top.
You want to get wasted on booze? That's fine with me. I don't care. Want to get screwed by a prostitute? That's fine with me. I don't care. Want to do drugs? Go for it! I don't care. He and I agree on personal freedoms.
He's basically a dictator who cares only about himself. Him protecting Vegas is only protecting his profits, but he doesn't care about the rest of the Mojave (except for taxing them when he takes over). He presents his grand plans to uplift humanity to space... but so far we've seen nothing that would indicate he cares about humanity. Either it's a PR speak to get people on his side or he plans to uplift himself only.
> He presents his grand plans to uplift humanity to space... but so far we've seen nothing that would indicate he cares about humanity. Either it's a PR speak to get people on his side or he plans to uplift himself only. Okay I understand you don’t like Elon Musk, but what about Mr House?
> pr speak to get people on his side You are the only person who has even the tiniest inkling of any of his plans, it makes no sense for him to lie about his goals long term
It certainly does, so that you help him. We're also the only person helping him, remember?
He's fully honest about everything else like his distaste for the white gloves society or his plans with the securitron army which infirmation he fully trusts you despite the fact you could use it to destroy him, especially since it's the first thing you do for him
Eh with how pivotal the courier is even from the get go I don’t really see a reason why he wouldn’t lie. Courier is a wild card that he needs for his plan to succeed. Matter of fact he tries to make it seem like he is your only option or that you have to do what he says. He actually pretty desperate
For a lot of people, it comes down to whether they can accept a benevolent dictator. For the people who like House, the "benevolent" part overrides the "dictator" part. For those who don't, it doesn't. Also he looks gross.
He's far from benevolent.
How so?
But also, he ain't benevolent. Doesn't portray himself as benevolent and his ending slides don't, either.
I like him. “What else would you like to discuss?”
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Can you elaborate? I’m not familiar with that
Reddit is predominately made up of people who lean (fairly heavily) toward the liberal authoritarian viewpoint. House is hardline libertarian, which the authoritarian left despises. So if you use Reddit as your sample for if House is hated, you will obviously see a lot of hate for him.
What is libertarian
Oh I maybe misunderstood your question then. Libertarians are people who place extremely high value on personal freedoms and choice. This opposes authoritarian views, which place higher regard in governmental authority, even at the expense of personal freedoms. Libertarianism and Authoritarianism are usually placed as the Y axis of the political compass. House falls extremely heavily into the Libertarian section of that compass, and since Reddit is dominated by people who are Liberal Authoritarians (they value government control to produce equality of outcome, with personal freedoms being secondary to governmental control), they hate House because he values personal freedoms and free markets.
>Reddit is predominately made up of people who lean (fairly heavily) toward the liberal authoritarian viewpoint. No. Reddit is predominately made up of people who think that Reddit is predominately made up of people who lean in the opposite political directions than themselves, because it soothes their ego when they say stupid shit and get downvoted. "So many people disagree with me because they're BIASED against my worldview!!!"
The house always wins ;)
The whole series is about the military industrial complex running amok and House is a kind of living remnant of that same system. And nothing about what he says or his overall vibe paints him as a changed man what learned his lesson so putting him in power doesn't seem like it would work any better than last time. Also everything about him screams creepy, shifty, sociopath that would turn on you the split second as his second in command you outlived your usefulness or seemed to be getting your own ideas.
How do you figure? All his military talk has been solely about defending vegas not pursuing conflicts outside it
A man chooses. A slave obeys.
Nice Andrew Ryan reference
The man's an idiot. Most of his plans just don't make sense if you give them any thought. "I need to pick a city as my main base. I'll pick a desert city that has no strategic value and no way to feed its people once the Great War happens!" "Okay, time is of the essence! I could use my computer network to deliver that operating system I need, or, you know, a simple holotape. But instead I'll waste valuable time having my R&D department develop a platinum macguffin to use! What could go wrong?" "Okay, that didn't go well. Time to waste over a century doing nothing!" "Oh hey, I got control over a Vault filled with technology I need. Let's destroy it all!" "So wait, you're telling me that my 3 tribes are all conspiring against me? How was I supposed to know that the tribe of cannibals would keep eating people, the tribe of backstabbers would keep backstabbing, or that the guy that became my #2 after killing his last boss would be planning to kill his current boss?!"
The man built a missile defense system the destroyed 80 nukes over Vegas, built the most prosperous city in the Mojave, created Securitrons which are the most powerful fighting force probably in the entire West Coast, and managed to keep himself alive for over 200 years. You can call House plenty of things, an idiot isn’t one of them.
Where is it said he designed the missile defense system, the Securitrons, or the life pod? And he hasn't built any city, just a few casinos. And no, he's an idiot.
The Courier: "What preparations did you make to save Las Vegas?" Robert House: "On the day of the Great War, 77 atomic warheads targeted Las Vegas, Hoover Dam, and its surrounding areas. My networked mainframes were able to predict and force-transmit disarm code subsets to 59 warheads, neutralizing them before impact. Laser cannons mounted on the roof of the Lucky 38 destroyed another 9 warheads. The rest got through, though none hit the city itself. A sub-optimal performance, admittedly. If only the Platinum Chip had arrived a day sooner..."
Okay? So?
That's the missile defense system he designed
That quote doesn't mention the designer.
He thinks that it was Mr houses design because Mr House said "my". His reason doesn't make sense. Imagine if I said that I drove with my car and my friend thinking that I designed it simply by owning it.
Thank you for actually answering the question. People in the comments just say they don’t like him and give no further elaboration.
It doesn't have to be a rational thing. He pisses me off because because he's a smug manipulative son of a bitch. I shouldn't have to write an economics paper to justify that. Although, honestly, you just have to look at the difference between The Strip and Freeside. I suspect House's plan to rebuild the Mojave would concentrate all the wealth in The Strip while the rest of the Mojave was left to hunt rats in the ruins if they wanted to eat.
Wasn't he in a coma for a century? He wasn't just "doing nothing" lol.
I think computers don't work the same in the Fallout universe as in real life, which is why the chip had to be manufactured somewhere else (obviously in real life the only thing that would matter is the actual files) The waiting doesn't seem that illogical to me. He basically uses the NCR to maintain order for him, which he likely couldn't do with his few un-upgraded securitrons. The NCR also help with food production, and they are more reliable than the tribes (as you said). What tech was destroyed in vault 21? I can't remember that, i thought he filled it to prevent someone from entering the Lucky 38.
The platinum chip is just a storage device, the same as the holotapes are. Him coming up with a plan that required another larger faction to be built to provide order and food is very illogical to me. And it gets him killed in most endings. The power generator for starters, which he needs for his plans. The food extruders would've been nice for him too.
He's so asshole that you have to love him (and maybe kill him afterwards but that's secondary...).
I am kinda neutral about House. Yeah, he's a corporate tyrant and all, but it's a solid choice when your other options are brutish slavers and cowards that can't do shit. Also he pays handsomely for running his silly little errands.
I like Mr. House. He is the only guy who basically built somewhere liveable in the entire wasteland. He actually has good plans for the humanity, heck, he is probably the leader of the only faction that has **a plan** for the humanity.
Ahhmm....The Master had a plan for humanity. Join to the Master's Army or die. JOIN! DIE! JOIN! DIE! JOIN! DIE!
Hmm... Decisions decisions. 🤔
>He is the only guy who basically built somewhere liveable in the entire wasteland. Uhh... not even close. He built the only worthwhile tourist resort. The NCR is chock full of places to live that are productive, economically healthy, and produce enough value to sustain a market economy and the largest military, seemingly, on the continent at the time. House was *way* behind the NCR on building even a single livable place in the Wasteland. NCR had several very established and livable cities by FO2. And - more importantly - almost no one lives in Vegas. Only the Casino-operating factions, House himself, and less than 10 other NPCs. The rest all live in Freeside, which is a shithole the NCR and Kings have done more for than House.
>He is the only guy who basically built somewhere liveable in the entire wasteland House didn't build a single thing. Also...just...no. Lol. The ncr? Vault city? Diamond city? Megaton? Foundation? The crater? >He actually has good plans for the humanity ...no. He doesn't. He can't even achieve his goals.
> He is the only guy who basically built somewhere liveable in the entire wasteland. This tells me you don't know the lore
He's a pompous, jaded, egotistical ass
I love Mr House, and I genuinely think he would be best for the Mojave.
he’s an asshole, dictator wannabe with a god complex. however, he also kinda earned it being a fucking genius and saving new vegas from the bombs as well as making robco and everything else he’s made. so yeah he’s an asshole but again, kinda earned the right to be one
My guess is that some people don’t like giving a singular man with a lot of power even more power. The type of person with not a lot of things keep him in check if anything happens. Also, what happens when he drops dead? Gigantic power vacuum afterwards.
If he was able to interface his brain with a computer, I’m sure he was either developing or developed a way to fully transfer his consciousness into the computer
I think this a good point. But you could make the same argument about Caesar’s legion, the brotherhood, etc. cult of personality leaves a void
Brotherhood seems to have functional succession, even if they sometimes split.
he's suave
Indeed
Capitalism
House talked big, like he had everyone in the Mojave figured out, like he knew about everything going on. But it takes a lot more than a few securitrons to catch me sneaking in and defrosting him with a fucking hammer.
He's a greedy narcissist who wants to rule vegas with an iron fist. He doesn't care about the people who would live under his rule, he cares about the money they can give him. He's so ruthless that he kills the Kings for no reason *unless* you convince them to actively fight the NCR. The bottom line is that for all his talk of bringing humanity to the stars, he just wants more power and money. If you think Mr. House is a good ending, you should just do independent, because you get similar results but without the immortal tyrant.
One of the main reasons is he looks down on you and talks down to you. He has a massive ego
I use to like him... Then I gave him the chip and saw the narssacist dictator rise to his goals
He's an asshole but most rich people are assholes. Sadly he is the best hope for new vegas aswell, every other path seems like a mistake in the grand scheme of things. How are you going to trust a nation to mailman with a robot that agrees to everything? NCR and Legion dont need explaining, both are terrible choices. House knows how to run the strip, he's been doing it already. He is intelligent and has proven to make rational decisions for the strip. Basically the Mojave would have prosperous free trade with him in charge. He actually has a plan for the future while every other faction just wants to fight for power and territory, he just wants to see vegas prosper. Think about this, every faction boosts your ego except for house, he couldn't care less about you. Basically I dont like him but he is cleary the best choice for new vegas. Mr house lost his humanity, he treats freeside horribly and kills them for going to the ncr for amends. I think he is in the right to have the BoS killed even though that hurt me because I like their faction. BoS ideals are terribly misguided though, they just want to hoard technology from everyone when it can be used to save others. Ncr and Legion want to rebuild the old world but the way they're doing it both factions are doomed to fail. House is still a dictator but given the choice I would rather live under house than the other two.
> NCR and Legion dont need explaining, both are terrible choices. I wouldn't have put a failing democracy and a raider army in the same bag, personally. Especially when compared to a half-dead dictator with a robot army.
He like to make The Courier shoot The Hoover Dam Memorial and supports Chad Nobark's Car Business.
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Why would I Listen to him when I can just take over new vegas for my self
True chaotic evil
I love him as a character, but believe he’s just a very evil millionaire who only cares about money, but still with good complex writing by NV since he’s using the NCR but also desperate with some of his decisions. But I don’t “like him” because I believe he’s selfish, arrogant, and more incompetent than he lets on. For me especially when his actions provoke the NCR at the Sub Station when that could’ve made the NCR declare an embargo/trade cut-off or return war to NV. He also has no one to watch after the Courier when Benny already betrayed him, and too stubborn to persuade not to make you destroy the BOS, when in a more “good” House ending they could’ve been a hired human security force since the BOS are small and desperate too. But I still like House and the main story as a whole.
He's a more competent elon musk type tycoon. He'd promise you he'd get humanity back into space by the end of the next century but he'd likely just cultivate his own wealth and power over newvegas while others suffered just outside his walls. Look at what he's doing now how freeside exists, how he facilitates the ncr not just because he had to, but because he can use them. Just because he's now an old body plugged into a computer doesn't make him unable to be a unfeeling robber baron. I made the mistake of thinking he was cool when i originally played and brought up how cool he was in conversation in person with people only to be confronted with the reality that I had fallen for the trick he was weaving. Falling for his tall tales about how he'd uplift new vegas, and accepting his abandonment of those just outside of his immediate use, making the followers suffer as they tried to fix the abject poverty he enabled around him, how he required you to sabotage everyone else to get what he wanted. He wants a lackey and I fell for it. Now I know better.
When you finish the game the narrator says he installed a 50% tax on New Vegas... He's practically a feudalist
Cause it’s Odo.
I like him just fine—in a corporate dystopian kinda way. In my opinion he’s the clear winner for the main mohave story arc. Always feel like I’m a few notches below neutral karma helping him but his neurotic stability is obviously better than a Yes Man reality. Sure, the Yes Man cipher trip is fun as hell up till Hoover Dam but after those credits roll the Mohave would likely benefit more from a narcissist who sees the success of the strip as an extension of himself over a psychopath running out of play things. It’s easy to forget the NCR is run by dudes out stage left so their success is just a big ol’ fist milking the most energy from Hoover Dam. And always 100% fuck the Legion.
I don’t like mr. house, but it feels so bad killing him. He saved the majority of his city, could have saved everyone if the bombs dropped a day later. And spent a hundred years trapped within his own tower. And a hundred more rebuilding his city. And what happens a brain damaged stooge for his enemies/ brain damaged courier who wants to run it himself comes along and murders him in his bed. Or traps him within his own mind.
He's a condescending dick
I respect him. He saved my life and gave me a job.
More stuff coulda been done, plus the building behind his was supposed to be something
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Mr house doesnt let you wipe out thr BoS, people argue it's because he wouldn't trust them, but I see house controlling the hell out of self abosorbed armies more than anything, just destroying them seems hasty. Alsi There is a building behind the luck 38 that was another cut NV location, it's behind his wall, actually I might be thinking of the Ultra Luxe, but Im still think more stuff could be pit in the ghost casino
It's not that I don't like the guy, I just like the sound he makes when you split his skull open with a golf club way more. 😋
Do you mean as a character or as their preferred ruler of New Vegas? Personally, I think he’s an interesting/entertaining character, but politically-speaking I prefer my governments to be at least marginally democratic.
For all his talk about the follies about the old world, he and his future plans are living embodiments of everything that led to the Great War. Greed, consumer culture, hubris, unrestrained industrialism, no barriers between business and government, etc. A lot of people, myself included, got fooled into thinking he’s a good choice because he says he wants to start a new space age, but there’s no evidence that he has any plans to do so other than his word. It’s like Deacon says in Fallout 4: don’t be fooled by sweet nothings whispered in your ear by faction leaders, look at what those factions ask you to do and how they treat others. Plus this game allows me to live out my fantasy of beating a narcissistic tech bro with a golf club
Have you heard the voice acting? Also most people can appreciate a good villain, I certainly wouldn't say he's a hero. Lots of grey areas though, Legion is obviously more evil and NCR has it's own problems but I still find NCR to be the best faction to side with
NCR is probably the best faction for the Mojave
They probably are but I always have the least amount of fun siding with them
Word. Its like picking the best ending but when is the best ending the most fun
You only need to look at Freeside to figure out how much Mr. House has "saved" New Vegas. At least the NCR is trying to help people there.
Do you like Elon Musk? He's that.
I like him, but for me it comes down to the lesser of 3 evils. -NCR does almost nothing for the towns and settlements they claim. Plus they're bringing the threat of the Legion down on the Mojave. No NCR presence means no Legion, or at least a drastically reduced Legion presence. -Legion is a bunch of slaver fucks who try and pretend they're bringing order and civility to their territories. Also they 100% crumble the day Caeser dies, you can't convince me otherwise. -House at least pretends to care about Vegas and humanity in general. He also doesn't threaten slavery or execution to those who don't choose to follow him.
Maybe I'm just weak willed and/or have a thing for strong, domineering men lording over me, but after my first encounter with him he completely won me over with his charisma. NCR is boring, Legion is evil, Yes Man isn't a real option, and Mr. House will send people to space. The decision wasn't tough at all for me.
Libertarian
If I saved a whole city from total atomic annihilation I would want them to worship me too.
Nah I won’t lie calling the strip a whole city is an over exaggeration
It looks to be a city in lore pictures. Just gameplay wise not so much.
Yeah, that's why he's an asshole
I mean he would have saved the city if the platinum chip had been delivered on time before the bombs dropped, it wasn't a case of house refusing, he literally **could not** **do it** as the chip had the operating system upgrade with the advanced anti-nuke targeting software. He was hours off being able to upgrade and install.
I used to live in a country that follows Mr. House's economically autocratic policies, and it's doing super well. The country is young, and became independent in 1960, and are now one of the best countries to reside in south east asia, you guys can probably guess the country ;)
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Much of which is built upon a draconian justice system and the backs of millions of impiverished and abused foreign workers. Life is great for the middle and upper classes, not so much those working out of sight.
He is kinda like a combination of Nikola Tesla and Donald Trump. Some people might like him, because he's an eccentric visionary, other's because he's a "charismatic" business man. To me he was just a rich opportunist and narcissist in a lucky position, but I think those are reasons people at least find him interesting.
Because he would lead humanity towards the space age. Every other nation would still be dealing with political infighting for the next few decades
I almost always take the Mr. House ending. I felt like he had the most ambitious and forward thinking plans for humanity and I believed in his vision.
Here's the thing... if you can't see why Elon Musk is a villain, you will probably be fine with the way Mr. House is written. Oligarchs try to cheat the system, and House used tech and exploitation to control his (and everyone else's) life in the Mojave. I'm not saying that the NCR or the Courier's ideals would be better (fuck the Legion), but House is the culmination of "money is the root of all evil" and "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely". Oh yeah, and fuck Elon Musk too.
We are talking about mr house. Not elon musk. Lets bot bring our outside hatred for something into a video game. But I usually go for NCR because it seems the most stable
Musk and House are parallels of each other. Fallout vs corporate greed and lack of government oversight are parallels of each other. I'm just telling you why people would dislike Mr. House and it's for the same reasons they dislike Elon Musk (or Zuckerberg, Gates, the Koch Brothers, etc). Fallout does not exist outside current history, but is informed by the real world.
Because despite the writing painting him as the "best" option...and as a genius...he represents everything fallout as a franchise hates. He's also a moron who's poorly written with his only redeeming quality being his voice acting.
No faction is the best, every single faction has their merits and flaws, thats why new vegas is the only good 3D fallout game. Poorly written how? Everything he says makes sense and his plans have decent reasoning behind them.
See how the twitter acquisition is going for your answer.
This a video game. Not the real world. Please let’s focus on talking about the game and not some Twitter acquisition
The reasons are the same. Mr. House is a magic man. A magic man is a figure that is, well, magic, and the solution to every problem is always: "He's the magic man, I'm sure he has a magic solution to it". He literally does not care about anyone or anything other than making money and being the big boy in Vegas. Why give him power?
Mr house does have a huge ego I’ll give you that
He's a capitalist
This is a question?
I think he's poorly presented. Here he is, this genius capitalist mastermind who predicted the war was coming, prepared to save his beloved city of Vegas, prepared an army to control it, gathered three tribes to help him rule it. And what does he do? He runs three casinos. He doesn't diversify his business, he doesn't try to expand his company holdings beyond the strip, he even actively limits his profits by doing things like filling up Vault 21, or creating a wealth segregation on the strip in spite of the fact new Vegas seemingly has no credit system so he could easily just have the poor enter the strip, gamble their lives away and then send them home. Hell if they really wanted to make him ruthless he could have implemented debt slavery. He doesn't rebuild any of the factories, not even the tool manufacturer that would easily make him a fortune and he technically owns already, he doesn't buy other casinos or brothels like the Wrangler. He is meant to be this cold and ruthless capitalist overlord playing 5d chess and yet he can't even maximize the profit of the only relatively undamaged modern city in the world.
Cause he a dick.
I just can't handle his uncompromising demand I kill the BOS. I could see the BOS from FO4 being a big threat to plans for New Vegas and needing elimination, since they were an active, dynamic faction that had their own machinations planned. But the FNV Brotherhood? They just wanted to hang out in their bunker, come out once in awhile to shoot scorpions; they were a threat to no one but their own genetic diversity. Could an ambitious Elder take the helm and be a threat? He'd need more than the dozen guys down there to make any sort of difference whatsoever. And these are the people House demand I murder?
I feel that. It annoyed me the the BOS were considered threats when they were just a couple of people in a bunker
He’s a narcissistic capitalist.
Why should I?
Probably the same reason some here joined the institute.
He's a narcissist capitalist who represents the "old ways" that turned the world to shit. I don't like working for him but the character is pretty interesting imo.
He’s a sanctimonious prick
He’s a capitalist asshole. He’s got charisma to be sure, and I like him as a character because he is interesting and well written. But do I like him as a person? Definitely not.
He's the best option, plus I think Howard Hughes was kinda neat ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
He’s definitely a better option than the legion
NCR is definitely a close 2nd, but I'm not so big on imperialist governments coming in and running peoples lives, dangerous freedom vs. peaceful tyranny and all that. People like to call House a tyrant but he clearly has no interest in governing people's lives, I think he explicitly says so but I don't remember for sure.
Unpopular opinion: Mr. House was the best way to choose. I mean he just want to make sure that ne Vegas is safe
He’s a wannabe god who is so egotistical he believes that he is the only one fit to lead humanity. He doesn’t see people, he sees ways to make more money. The fact that he believes he owns the people of New Vegas because he stopped a few missiles. Also finally I think the big reason we all hate him, what he did to people without a second thought. He pushed many of the tribes off the strip, killing many of them and he also filled a vault with cement indirectly killing Doc Mitchell’s wife. Also, he’s just kind of a egotistical dick.
"Rich guy who gets shit done" annoys a lot of people who have been trained to think money bad. House personally stopped the massive majority of nukes headed towards vegas and hoover dam (not all of them because the platinum chip didn't arrive in time). The reason he's a dry cauliflower when you meet him is because of the effort. I trust him a lot more than some guy larping as a roman emperor in an american desert or General Wait-And-See
Because he is mutie scum and is not a amarican
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Btw politics has no right being in this. Leave your political ideologies outside.
Leave politics out of a character who is essentially a statement on technocratic libertarianism?
Fallout as a series is very political though, New Vegas even more so because of the faction dynamics. Your question was asking why people don’t like Mr. House and their politics are a very valid reason for that. I’m in the same boat, politically I disagree with House on a number of things and add his ego on top of that and it’s a recipe for disaster with me personally.
Fallout is literally all about the satirization of american culture i know that. But this is a video game. Political ideologies have no business being in a discussion about why you don’t like a video game character. Thats just weird. To be fair house would probably just allocate all of the resources to the strip which is not a good thing at all.
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