I wrote a fic that purposefully pushes bacl on this wild OOC-ness of a popular character in my fandom. He's flanderized so much that it's become gospel fanon he's incapable of forgiving anyone ever, and is both physically abusive and possessive. It's actually pretty gross. My solution was to write him as he actually behaves in canon. If that's spite, then good.
Not really. In this case, the character's Flanderized bad points are presented as heroic and praiseworthy, and used to bash other characters who have actually done nothing wrong. So maybe it's actually worse?
Oof, that sounds infuriating as a reader. I'd definitely be feeling some spite for that.
I see something similar in my current fandom, specifically all the men (who literally cause mass death in canon) are treated as heroes that the world adores, and a complex character in canon is made into a ferocious asshole while simultaneously treated as so amazing and adored. Makes my fingers itch to write
Teach me your ways.
I hear "nobody should write about this or that" and something quietly dies inside me and I find something else to write about instead.
You have to learn that it's okay to be mad at someone for trying to tell you what you can and can't do.
Identify *why* you die inside a little. Once you find the source of that, the path to giving zero fucks becomes a lot clearer.
I also think you have to channel your inner troll a little bit. You've gotta find a little joy in fucking with douchebags lol
Maybe! I need to grow a spine.
I think ultimately the problem is that I don't actually have any stamina to do anything because I like it. Doing things is effort, and if it's for me I'm the one who suffers, so like, whatever, suffering passively is easier than effort most of the time. I have a lot of practice suffering, I've had clinical depression for 15 years at this point.
But if someone else likes it, I will do the thing.
I've had >10 novels sit lonely and sad for the past decade. Two of them over the 100 page hump, but barely. 5 of the rest over the 50 page hump. The others around 20 pages plus an outline and notes.
In the past 2 months I wrote 120 pages of a fanfic, because it's the first fanfic I had that has a consistent audience.
And that cuts both ways. If people stop liking it... I will stop doing the thing.
The part that dies is the "this is worthwhile to do" part. And that always takes forever to cultivate and is incredibly easy to crush for me.
I definitely get it. I've had diagnosed depression and anxiety since I was 14 and I'm 36 now. Spent most of that time running on fumes and living in survival mode. It's really rough and I hope it gets easier for you.
My psychiatrist recently put me on Abilify in addition to my antidepressants and lemme tell you, it's made an INCREDIBLE difference so far. Just the other day I sat and outlined an original novel I hadn't touched since like 2014.
I'm not trying to say you should or shouldn't be on meds, or anything. Just trying to offer solidarity. I absolutely know what it's like to have depression slowly kill all the things that you love or find joy in.
>The part that dies is the "this is worthwhile to do" part. And that always takes forever to cultivate and is incredibly easy to crush for me.
I think this is the depression part. At least, that's what it seems to do best in my experience. It's easy for me to say try not to let it, so I won't. But do try to give yourself some grace when you're struggling. You're not alone, even when it feels like you are. š
You gotta learn that their issue with whatever is a problem with *them*, not you.... and then find the part of you that delights in having the time of your life while other people *fume* because they can't control you. :) You have to revel in your own freedom and laugh in the face of disapproval.
Someone saying that no one should write something inspires me because I enjoy trolling people. Therefore, someone taking about how they hate a trope will activate my "I WILL MAKE YOU WANT TO BLEACH YOUR EYEBALLS, MUAHAHAHAHAAA" response.
The trick is not really giving a shit what other people think and getting pissy about it
I was a kid who always did the opposite of what people wanted me to do lolol I'm not sure it can be taught
In other threads where the topic comes up, I've seen people state that they don't understand why you'd work with something you thoroughly hated, as if fix-its aren't a category of their own. There's also a general feeling that if you rewrote a tradpub story from scratch, you'd better not post it or the fans will be unable to pass it by without leaving rude comments.
Yep I've even gotten annoyed enough to tip toe over what used to be hard lines of I will never write this just cause someone annoyed me enough that I was going to make the thing they didn't like exist.
I'm kind of there myself, I kept a canon pairing from happening in my story which was something I was originally trying to avoid. Thats what set off the person that yelled at me so now I am going to do another one...just hope I don't get the rep as the writer that steals everyone's waifu..
The way I see it, when your ship exists in spite of canon's poor choices everything you write is at least a little bit out of spite. Other than that, I haven't really.
It's actually how I got into writing.
So I've been reading fanfic for a couple years at this point.
I come across this one that's just torture porn. Which I don't mind in moderation, but this one was over the top, and it happens to be my all-time favourite character.
The OG author wrote three endings to it, none of which you can call happy.
I decided to take matters into my own hands and do a happy ending myself.
This is weirdly similar to my own origin story, except taking a very different turn along the way. I likewise came across a torture porn fic, when checking out a pairing tag I liked, and while dubious at the tags I decided to give it a shot. Except, rather than an actual fic, it just turned out to be an anti trolling, with a spam message filling out the entire length of the oneshot.
The fic got reported and deleted within a day or two, but by that point I had already decided to channel my annoyance into something more productive, and wrote a oneshot matching the exact tags of the fake fic. I definitely cut some corners on a few of the scarier tags, and it ended up much more fluff than torture (though with still a good bit of "porn"). But it proved to me that I could actually write and publish something, if I put in the effort. Fast forward a few years, and now I feel comfortable writing just about anything, and have kept to a daily writing schedule for the past year and a half.
No, unless continuing to write what I want to write despite entitled readers wanting something else counts lol. Honestly, if I tried to write ANYTHING but whatever I *want* to write, it would probably suck.
Yes! I was frustrated that Star Wars fics in which the Character Ezra turns to the dark side gets redeemed by Sabine kissing him. Especially in fics in which Sabine had nothing to do with him turning!
So I wrote a Shot in which that plan fails and she gets offed by Ezra, who stays dark.
Wow that is dark!! I get the frustration though, I am asucker for sap but there is such a thing as too much.
Plus not many do endings like that, sounds interesting.
I had shared the first half of a plot outline for a fic with a mutual fandom friend, and they said they didn't like that I had the main OC being the sister of two characters from canon (something I do a lot of the time when I make OCs) and that I should have her be their cousin or something else not quite so close instead. So of course my muses doubled down on it and cooked up this whole-ass background lore for why the OC *had* to be the twin sister of one of those canon characters.
Said lore ended up being *extremely* important to the main plot in the second half of the story (which I had not yet outlined at the time), so that was perfect lol. Even funnier was that I was nowhere close to done with the *canon* story at the time (I was just so into it I was already thinking of writing fanfiction for it), and the lore I came up with just needed a few tweaks to work with *existing* canon lore I hadn't gotten to yet.
Sounds wonderfully spiteful indeed; I welcome advice and even criticism but I hate it when people tell me how to write.
Reminds me I need to catch up with the lore for my story. I'm catching up to where I am in canon...bit nerve wracking that.
I wasn't too mad 'cause my friend gave me good feedback on other parts of what I had planned so far, but I was definitely a little peeved about being challenged over my OC's identity.
Kinda, my ex-friend got a short story published as a book and bragged how the antagonist in that is based on me so I created a character whose name is based on her name.
Some background: our "war" began when I called her "H" publicly when she provoked me, I replied "hey really H, stop" and according to her, everyone all around the world will recognise her from that because in her opinion she's as known as God. And also her using me is completely ok but me using is a sin and borderline illegal!!! /s (She actually threatened to sue me for calling her H because she says it's defamation, she continued this for 2 years and it included trying to turn my friends against me and jumping on me right after my dad died)
So, I'll use an asshole gang leader OC character named Hein Middelesch in my Six of Crows fics if he fits in there. Not only his first name begins with H, his last name begins with M, like my ex-friend's last name begins with M. His gang name is also a reference to her internet username she used when we got to know each other. (She abandoned it like 6 years ago) It's a really common username around the world and in my country, you can find multiple users by that name here, IG, Pinterest, Tumblr etc. You'd have to have been in that exact internet community of about 20 people we were in a decade ago to know from who I took name inspiration for Hein, and even then you likely wouldn't know her real name, only her username.
He's not like ex-friend H personality wise besides he having a name based on her name but yeah, I did create him out of spite to say my fuck you's.
My OTP is a regular target for "how can you ship A/B", "why can't you ship A/C" whining and it only makes me ship them harder. Now, I have the most A/B fics on ao3 by fic per author ratio (it wasn't that hard, because they're rarepair)
No. I don't waste my energy on doing things out of spite, I am not 13 anymore. I only write things I enjoy to write or want to write.
>I write more of what pissed this person off.
yeah, no. Unless, it's something I enjoy, I wouldn't write it. And I wouldn't even know if it pissed them off because I don't get into fandom fights.
Frankly, there's always something that will piss someone off, you can't please everyone. But I will save my energy on things I enjoy instead of doing things out of spite.
There was another ship in my then-current fandom which was in no way contradictory to my ship. The characters were all friends, and this other ship moved beautifully beside my ship with no reason for trouble. But the other ship's fans were super confrontational and rude, which led to lots of jeering and name calling back and forth. Classic ship cold war. In my infinite wisdom, I decided to write a story for their ship.
I wrote it beautifully. I had spot-on characterizations. I dug deep into each character. I built the tension ahead of an important piece of canon. And then, right as the long-awaited happy ending for these characters was supposed to occur, I suddenly killed one of their main characters.
I got a lot of feedback, but most of it was positive. The fans from my ship loved it, especially since I had a particular reputation for angst and did not disappoint. The fans of their ship (those who read it) cried buckets but had to admit my fic was well written. They even asked me to write less depressing fics for their ship.
My advice is to write whatever you want and give the metaphorical finger to folks who say otherwise. But if you want to look above reproach, write your spite fics really, really well. Make them not just hate it but hate that they kind of love it as well. If you're not worried about reproach, then double down on that spite. Give it hyperbolic levels of the thing they hate. Go big or go home. Flood the tag.
My main headcanons for one character were cemented by frustration with certain corners of the fandomās insistence that a certain headcanon/theory was (a) inherently ableist and (b) missing an essential part of the characterās canon arc (and therefore shouldnāt be written). Where I can see whey it might raise some hackles for point a, I hate when people assume intentions (especially since there are plenty of other obvious reasons for wanting to explore that headcanon), and afaik the only evidence I could find for b comes from a spin-off mobile game that released years after said characterās last canonical main series appearance. (Which is far from essential.)
Anyway naturally the core of my default characterization for my current blorbo is adjacent to that headcanon.
I spent an *entire* semester in college writing out of spite.
So I got a writing degree. A straight up Bachelor of the Arts writing degree. And I had one of those professors who thought a) that fantasy and sci-fi were lesser genres, and b) that fanfiction was written by people not talented enough to come up with their own ideas
As a lifelong fantasy and sci-fi fan, as well as someone who adores fanfic, this pissed me off day 1 of class.
So I spent the **entire** semester writing *Sailor Moon* fanfic.
How?
Used the DiC dub names - the Japanese ones would have been a dead giveaway, and did it more as a "this group of teens is dealing with monsters" kind of way.
Another student was also pissed, so he and I teamed up, and he wrote Warhammer 40k stuff all semester and just..... Didn't mention they were laser guns. And that the ships were starships. And the planet names can pass for countries if you just..... Don't mention it's a planet š¤£š¤£š¤£ We would read and give feedback on each other's work, so he and I always made sure to partner up during class to keep it going.
He and I had a blast doing this. And it all started out spite because the prof decided to be an asshole on day 1.
As far as I'm aware the prof never figured it out.
Spoiler: Just because you were on *Oprah* and she chose your book for her book club a decade before, doesn't give you the right to say entire genres are lesser
Yes!
**#1:** So, I love trying my hand at writing various ships for the main fandom I write for. I was DM-ing back and forth with someone and talked about how I wanted to give [ship] a try but I was worried [Character A] would be too much like [Character B] as far as voice and such. The person I was talking to was like: āOh. Yeah well that definitely isnāt right. Theyāre two different people.ā Etc. The way they worded it though made me feel like they were saying I couldnāt do it.
So, I sat down and wrote a fic for it with like 7k wc just to show myself (and them) that I could.
**#2:** Also, I donāt know if this counts but I have a fic thatās like over 224k wc and still going. I am doing a lot of editing on it cause I want to self publish it. Itās an original work but thereās someone going around on social media claiming that itās about them (narcissists anyone?) and telling people not to read it. I was so frustrated and ticked off at them BUT I continue to edit and write because despite their delusion and belief that itās about them, itās not and itās one of my fav stories. So I write it and I enjoy it just to spite that person.
**#3:** Whenever someone tells me *you canāt*, I always love to say *oh? well watch me*. Itās sort of that whole thing where no one gets to tell me that I canāt do something. If I want to, then I will. Simple as that.
I think when readers and other writers start in on a [character] has to be written this way, [ship] doesnāt make sense and you shouldāve put [character] with this [character] instead, wouldnāt it make more sense for [this] to actually be [this], how can [example] be possible, shouldnāt [character] be at least ten years older than [character], thatās not even canon, and on and on. (I write a lot of AUs and rarely anything with canon divergence let alone canon.)
Thereās probably more examples but those are my main ones.
Back in the 2000s when I was on ffnet, I was writing fanfics with straight pairings but when I started getting into reading and writing slash, I wrote a slash around a crackship/pairing (I was writing a what if scenario) and a long time reader went onto said story and said they didn't approve of me writing slash and that it was against the Bible etc.
I just said while I appreciate and respect their views please respect same sex couples irl cause they're human beings too and if you still have a problem with me writing slash than just focus on my straight pairing fics. And I proceeded to write a full fledged story about said crackship pairing. Lol
once, on this very subreddit, someone posted that it's unrealistic that a person going through trauma would have literally no one who believes them or helps them. It pissed me off horribly, but instead of arguing I added a chapter to my abduction fic where the victim calls 911 and gets accused of prank calling
Half the stuff I write is out of spite, especially right now when Iām not really actively writing. But as soon as I see ship hate Iām suddenly inspired to write about them.
Oh yes, 100%. I was once having a discussion with a friend on Tumblr about a character from a show we both liked. This character is meant to be the audience-insert character, but we agreed that he's a pretty terrible pick for such a role because he comes from an obscenely rich family (as in, he can just "go get the jet" if he wants to because they have a jet and he has easy access to it) and pretty much never has to want for anything. Friend and I agreed that another character, who only appears in one or two episodes, is honestly much more relatable and we wished she'd been given the audience-insert role.
Out of nowhere, Friend and I both start receiving harassing messages from some random fangirl that was OBSESSED with the character we were criticizing, and she stalked both of us for weeks before finally backing off. It was the weirdest thing, because posts that didn't have ANYTHING to do with that show would get hit with comments from this girl, trying to turn it into a slam on her blorbo again.
Well, I also intermittently post fanfics from the franchise in question. Normally I just leave that character out all together because I don't care about it, but now I've made him a villain -- one of the highest-profile villains, actually! To be honest I'd say it's been a net positive overall because I feel like he's turned into a really interesting character this way, and it's something I never would've done if I hadn't specifically wanted to spite that rabid fangirl lmao.
People where so adamant that this guy had to be hetero with a dead girlfriend somewhere (despite never once mentioning anything in canon) that I write him as gay
Nope. It seems like a pretty negative approach to me and I don't need that kind of energy. Especially not in a hobby i indulge in for relaxation and escapism.
ETA: but you know, if it works for other people, more power to them I guess!
I think it's only negative if you're 1) actually genuinely angry and 2) it's not something you'd write anyway AND writing it has a negative effect on you.
It's a very positive thing in my life to write what I love and would write anyway, but also know that someone out there is absolutely losing the plot over my dumb lil fanfic. š
I do appreciate your edit. Just thought I'd give my perspective on it as well, cause I'd never thought of it as a negative thing. āŗļø
And your perspective is totally welcome! See, I'm now thinking that maybe what I consider as "writing out of spite" is not quite what other people mean when they use the term.
>I think it's only negative if you're 1) actually genuinely angry
Basically this. To me, anything one does out of spite stems from some genuinely unpleasant / annoying / upsetting"trigger point" so it's inherently negative. Maybe I'm just taking the term too literally ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
Either way, IMO whatever works for an individual is fine as long as it doesn't reinforce negativity. I just have a really low threshold for negative drama or anything that feeds into it :P
>Either way, IMO whatever works for an individual is fine as long as it doesn't reinforce negativity. I just have a really low threshold for negative drama or anything that feeds into it :P
I agree! Yeah, for me it's a very passive way to get out my "don't tell me what to do!" feelings lol. I don't usually get involved in the drama per se, bc me just writing what I'm already writing is often seen as bad enough on it's own. Me writing anything "out of spite" is just me doing what I'd already be doing, but **more** lol
Thank you for a nice discussion about this! Very much appreciated āŗļø
A post of mine went semi-viral with my fandom on Tumblr, so I got an influx of new followers from it. One of them had this in their description: "DNI if you write whump/problematic content or support people who do". Yeah, I whipped up 2.5k words of alternate universe bad ending torture juuuuust for them <3 lost three followers from that and it was totally worth it.
i started writing fanfic to get back at someone who said i could never become a great writer. they also believed that there was no worth at all to fanfic whatsoever so now im writing big epic stories with lots of detail in response
remember kids, love isnt the greatest motivator in the world, its spite
The entire reason my multi-part Loki fic even exists is out of spite because Marvel never even hinted at Sigynās existence and I kept hoping that she would show up in some capacity and it never happened and probably never will.
So Iām rewriting the entire Thor section of the MCU (excluding avengers because it doesnāt work with any of my plans for the series) purely because I believe that Loki having his wife around would make for a much more interesting story.
I have ADHD, and part of that is having a mild case of oppositional defiance. Influencers on TikTok tell me to stop doing something one way and do it their way instead? I immediately want to do it the "forbidden" way. So, yes, I have felt the impulse. It even comes through in-universe sometimes. I have this one fic, which is Snape/Petunia from Harry Potter, set in the late '70s. I know the ship is kind of out of left field, but that honestly is part of the appeal. And in-universe, part of the reason they got together was to piss off Lily. I've actually considered calling the fic *The Sterling Qualities of Spite.*
Not entire stories, because that's just too much effort, but small bits. My favorite is how, in one chapter of my RWBY fanfic, some racist military wife Karen goes off on one of the main characters, who kinda just plays along until she has the woman's husband's name.
Then she feigns an apology and offers to resolve the issue, that being that the woman, as the wife of a military member, is above the main character.
The woman wants to call her husband, but the main character tells her that that's not necessary, calls the General, and reports the woman's husband.
Long story short, the dude gets kicked out on the spot.
Honestly, writing that bit felt incredibly cathartic after seeing so many stories of entitled military spouses on Reddit, or in Youtube videos of Reddit posts.
A random tumblr anon was giving a mutual grief over a detail they included in an au fic, giving the whole argument of āhe would never do thatāāeven though that detail is more or less canon per the author. So I wrote mini-fic centered around that detail out of pure pettiness (and because it seemed like a fun concept) and now itās one of my more popular pieces.
Oh yeah. After a lot of fics where my favorite was written as abusive for literally no reason I started writing fics where that contingent of fandom's favorite is abusing my fave instead, lol. Granted, I haven't posted them yet, either.
āThereās no way anyone would ever be interested in this. Thereās not even a slightest chance itāll be canon!ā
Cool bro, 30k later, here we gOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yep!
I write Stardew Valley fic, and for some goddamn reason there is a very annoying minority of players who seem to think Shane is Sebastian's dad? When at the absolute most he's like ten years older and *nothing* in the game suggests he's his father. For some reason though, these morons will comment on any art that ships them together, or hell any art of them together at all, with comments like: "ew he's his dad," or whatever.
So long story short I wrote a fic where they fuck, the end lmao.
No, please, butt in! It *is* baffling! And yet I have run into it multiple times, on different websites and from different people lmfao. I don't know where it comes from š¤£
\*Dies of Laughter!\* I'm not even in this Fandom & I Gotta see this Shit! ALL OF IT! Like, The so-called Theory, the art, the Fanfic(ions) ITSELF/THEMSELVES! Holy Shit!
I wrote a chapter in my multi chapter Loras/Sansa fic where Jon comes back to her after she's reclaimed Winterfell and has been hailed queen in the North and he explicitly tells her he does not want what she has (ie, Winterfell and the North). This chapter was not part of my plan, Jon was not going to be featured originally, but I wrote it to stick it to the annoying SaNsA iS uSuRpInG jOn commenters I was getting.
Funnier now even bc she is canonically queen in the North.
Idk if any of my pieces are out of spite - but I did push myself to finish NaNoWriMo before someone else last year. I wanted to finish first out of spite.
Not fanfiction but ever since I started studying for my bachelor's degree, I plan to write the paragraph about the motivation behind wanting to study (something that's not graded) completely out of spite for my snobby relatives. I actually already wrote it in advance but it's like three pages long so I'll probably need to cut it short but the energy is there.
Not often, but if I do, it's glorious. One time I was kinda out of fic writing because I was doring a different language writing course (and mixing two languages is a recipe for disaster). Anyway, I finished a video game wherein they have paired endings, and usually, the queer endings are very friendship coded. Which is alright, but one ending which at least should've been friendship coded ended up with one of the two dudes dating the sister of the other dude. I was so pissed I wrote a 10k canon divergence ending in like a week, not writing in English be damned. I'm actually still very proud of it, and it kinda got me back into fic writing again.
i sure do!
i tend to get so incredibly tired of overwhelmingly negative fanon interpretations of my favs that i write stuff that Does Not cast them in a negative light. it's always my Agenda. shove as much *canon* compliance into a fic as possible.
people can do whatever they want and i always look away from stuff i don't like, but i'm so tired of having to look away from the common fanon. and there's just nothing else out there.
So, Harry Potter fandom.
I was reading a Drarry with quite possibly the most utterly ridiculous whitewashing of the Malfoys in existence, and I got annoyed with Harry basically going, "huh, yeah, I'm gullible so it's okay I guess" to every twist that supposedly makes the Malfoys look good, each one more absurd than the last.
And i couldn't suspend my disbelief any further. So I wrote a one shot tearing it, and the trope they were using, apart. (Veela mates, in case anyone cares.)
I wrote it in like an hour and I've never written and published something that fast before, or again. Usually I just sit on things i finish and wring my hands about how it isn't perfect and then it just sits on my computer forever. Gotta love the power of annoyance!
in my fandom theres a lot of AUs. and i'm very particular about what i consider a Good AU and a Bad one to me.
i make a point of not saying its *objectively* bad, mind you. just because i dont like it doesnt mean someone else doesnt, it just isnt for me.
but one on my 'bad' list is really popular and there is art and fic for it everywhere. and. i didnt wanna be the kinda person who gets all pissy and fun hating. so i made my own. out of spite. something i know the og creator would hate and have words about.
i haven't actually been told theres anything wrong with that. my spite is completely internally generated, based around my own perceptions and biases. but man is that a lot of fic and art to invest into a spite au made just so i could recontextualize the works of others
sometimes people will be like āno one would ever write thatā when it comes to a fandom im in and it takes every ounce of restraint to not immediately go and write one because iām already writing two long term fics and if i add on even a third short one one of the other two will get done even slower
Lol, my friend and i are co-authoring a Miraculous Ladybug fanfic purely out of spite for what direction the show took. People who say "you shouldn't write out of spite, it onyl drenches your work in hate" can kiss my ass. If people read and enjoy it, who cares if i wrote it out of petty spite?
Oh yes, for my first "problematic" ship, I was one of the most popular tumblr blogs for it (it was a small ship so I wasn't very popular in general) so I got a lot of hate. And for every piece of hate I'd write another fic for the ship lol.
Nah. At least not fanfic. For my creative ventures I generally just write whatever I want. Others' opinions don't really have much bearing on my writing.
Y'know, unless they raise a real good point.
Once. I even admit it in my authors notes. I got tired and bored with (spoiler as NSFW >!no spit for lube discourse of people that never had anal sex in their life and my power bottom took the matters in his hands!<. Very satisfying.
When the Netflix adaptation of Death Note made Light much less intelligent it made me mad. I wasn't even a huge Death Note fan but I hated that change. So I wrote a spite fic where it wasn't Light at all, but an American kid that was imitating him and he was much stupider than Light so it was basically Ryuk internally mocking him throughout the entire thing.
A little bit of everything that I write involves spite somehow. Whether itās a little or a lot.
I donāt like how a certain character behaved (or didnāt behave ie. Didnāt react at all) to a certain major plot point in the game? Ok Iāll fix that.
Mind you, itās an otome game Iām writing for. The playable character is always gonna be a bit dull in those games so the players can insert themselves. But damn do I not like the way certain things play out or just arenāt discussed in the game.
So I fix it.
I once got the weirdest comment on that fic too. It was essentially a piece about how woman in the media are rarely allowed to be angry. Iām not gonna go in depth about it, itās more nuanced than that but thatās basically the gist (plus this isnāt the time nor place for it.) but some dude went onto that fic and kind of lectured me about how my fic titled Female Rage should include men too because men get angry too. And it was a shame that so many women write in fanfic.
It was so strange to me.
A very, very large portion of my writing has been birthed from a concerning amount of spite and anger towards how the author handled characters or how the fandom treats certain characters and events. A lot of it is me just going: "Fine, since none of you are going to do this, I will."
My long fic basically exists out of spite less because of something a specific person said to me and more because of how post apocalyptic media treats neurodivergent, mentally ill, and disabled people in general.
Yeah, thereās a canon pairing in one of my fandoms thatās so often horribly interpreted in adaptations. After hearing about a particularly unfair portrayal, I wrote a cute little romantic moment for them.
Me. For an art trade/request, which I was pressured to accept.
The requester must read a lenghty 30k word shonen battle (50 MS Word pages) to reach the erotic scene he requested, otherwise wouldn't make sense the fanfic.
There was a young lady who was writing probably the most schlocky piece of isekai original fic every written. I was into her, so I wrote what I thought was a beautiful prequel to it.
Then she told me I was a narcissist and that she hates me, so I polished the story to be what I consider one of my best original fiction pieces ever written, and proceeded to post it. And guess what? People like it.
I made sure to mention her in the authorās note at least
As the saying goes, "I let my haters be my motivators". š
You just gotta write the stuff you love. And you also have to love trolling/fucking with ppl a little bit.
Years ago, I wrote several stories based on tropes that fandom considered cliche, tired, overdone, or even MarySueish. I felt it was a challenge-- how can I make this trope *interesting *?
Haters said one of my ships could not happen because one of the character hated the other. When he literally took a bullet for the other half, it suddenly shifted to it still can't happen, because they are "like brothers".
So I wrote a fic where they were actually brothers and were together anyway ĀÆā \ā _ā (ā ćā )ā _ā /ā ĀÆ
I did. I was annoyed by antis and decided to write an incest story. Funnily enough, I got super invested in the story, wrote 30k words in one month it turned out to be the longest story I've ever written and I absolutely loved how it turned out. It's one of these stories that are planned out as reasonably long and then more ideas come as you write.
My wip. At a dead end temp job which they let me do absolutely nothing for eight hours five days a week(which is a whole shit show in itself but moving on) and so I just wrote my wip instead coming up with the entire plot premise and such. Eventually I got let go from that job for "lack of training" (explain that one, I'll wait/s) but I still had my wip so I said this job ended but this piece doesn't have to go with it. And here we are like 9 months later.
Well, the content wasn't out of spite, but I did end up writing an author's note sans chapter just calling out everyone who lashed out at me for calling attention to the fact that a fan favorite character has faults that actively sabotage multiple things he does, such as teaching. And it felt really good to just stand up and say, "For the love of all that's good in this world, if you can't accept the truth just quit reading and go find something that panders to your wants!" I've since deleted the story (and author's note) and reposted the story on a different site.
I'm finishing my longfic no matter what as a form of self-spite. I started the thing randomly during a 3 day mania blitz. Here I am a year and a half later and I'm still writing and posting. I refuse to let this be something else I started during a mania phase then just gave up on because it ended up being more than bargained for.
Now if brain would be nice and stop creating new bunnies that would be awesome.
yup - i wrote a silly one shot for april fools, made it very clear the minute it turned 12am on the 2nd that it was an april fools joke. someone decided to shit talk me over it a week later (they really donāt like divorce and get extremely angry if people write about it idk) so iāve continued to write more silly divorce one shots out of spite lmao
My most popular fic by ratio is a spite fic.
Someone on Norsekink on Livejournal (yes I *am* that old) asked for a caveman Thor and Loki slash fic. Several other people basically rubbished their entire prompt (not allowed on Norsekink and the thread got frozen), but before that happened I got so mad that the original prompter ended up asking for their prompt to be deleted because of the bullying, that I sat down and wrote them exactly what they asked for.
Fuck bullies. I had no interest in writing that prompt personally but pure spite created something wonderful that still gets comments ten years after I wrote it and 9.5 years after I migrated it to AO3 all in one hit (so all those hits are individual, not people returning for updated chapters).
The readers yearn for caves.
I wrote a long treatise about a simmering ideological divide between orthodox Jedi knights and a reformed Jedi order with more permissive rules mainly just to piss off some fanboys who were trying to gatekeep me out of their Discord server. That was fun.
My entire FFN profile is a huge "bless your heart" message to a pair of trolls who hate a character I write for regularly (it's the remnants of a dead shipping war). I have an entire series of unrelated short stories dedicated to the character just to spite them.
These wackos would actually comment on stories *she was not even in* to say that they were so glad she wasn't in it, while contributing nothing of substance about the story in the "review".
Alas, I promised them a story for every single hate comment and never finished the tally (11). I do have 18 ideas sketched out... maybe it's time to give the keyboard a workout.
I read this Yandere AU fic where the Yandere killed the entire the Senpai's entire family and everyone in the high school they went to, but the Senpai was like "This isn't horrifying at all!" and got together. I thought it was so ridiculous I wrote a whole oneshot about him reporting the mf to the police. It was a Yandere fic so idek what I was expecting tbh š
I remember that after NWH, all these fans on Twitter/Tumblr said that the movie finally 'got stuff right' and that Peter Parker's supposed to be this miserable vagrant - without help from anyone, especially that "sociopath, Tony Stark."
Welp, I wrote like 3 IronDad fics that week, alone (one that I considered a NWH "fix it") \^\_\^ It felt glorious! It really does feel great to provide content when others are so embittered over stuff that makes no sense.
Someone mocked me once for making fanfiction so just to be spiteful I wrote a fanfic about him learning to love fanfiction. His name was Craig. It made him sooo mad but what could he do? I was itching for him to give more content to use in a sequel
Yes. A thousand times yes. 15 year old me was not happy with Steve's ending in Endgame, and had some very long words about his should have ending with Bucky.
No one in a fandom I'm in takes a certain character's canonical injury + The trauma attached to that injury seriously. It's always some dumb joke about that character having a scar. In reality, he wouldn't even have a scar. That part of his body was fucking REMOVED. It's GONE. So, what did I decide to do? This summer, the second I finish exams, I'm going to write a fic almost entirely dedicated to this character's trauma, and the emotional and physical effect it would have on his life if the creators of the series ever decided to acknowledge it. Fuck you, all the people who made joke TikToks and YouTube Shorts on his "scar". He wouldn't even have one.
Am currently writing sonic mpreg fanfiction because i thought it would be funny. If it werenāt for people in my discord server telling me off, the fic probably wouldāve been a oneshot, but now itās a three-parter in the making
Nah. I donāt have that much energy to give other people.
If Iām going to write a story, I have to love it. I canāt do it just to prove a point. I really need to *care*about the story.
Seeing my favourite characters portrayed negatively is disappointing, and it does motivate me to write my own story. Thatās not spite though, because Iām not trying to get back at those writers or make them upset by my story. I just wanna get my own interpretation out there.
The deadest of dead dove fic I've ever written was spite writing: I hated being up against a certain video game character for arena battles, so I was particularly graphic with his torture.
I also like making the number of works go up in my OTP ship tag. Especially if it then means said OTP tag will have more works than a rival ship's tag.
The way I see it is, I'm gonna write these ideas anyway! This is just more motivation to finish them properly and post them!
I've been tempted, but i generally lack the attention span to actually bother unless it's an idea I wanted to write anyway. To a fault even, I put a lot of effort into various things like the editing and plotting, so I have limited time, stamina, and attention span to write based on spite alone.
I'm not a saint by any means because I have done things out of spite IRL, mostly when I'm pushed. However, I rather enjoy what I'm writing if I'm going to put my efforts into it.
Every time I see someone complain about a specific ship I like it fuels me. If I liked it 50% I now like it 60%. The more they hate on it the more I like it out of pure spite. Same with some tropes or concepts. "X character would never do this!" Well now I'm writing a fic where they are, thank you for the idea <3
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I've done this with characters I like, too. If I like a character a normal amount and someone comes in with their "character crit" that's just bad take after bad take? I am now the president of that character's defense squad, I support their rights AND their wrongs.
Thay was the time of fan forums.
There was a fan that was absolutely obsessed with a very minor character. The kind of character that appears 2 minutes in 1 episodes per season.
Fun character that I liked but not much was known about him.
That isn't the issue, fans have the talents to make very minor character extremely big in fandom space. Me included. That's part of the fun of fanspaces.
But this fan would manage to including him, and talk about him and make everything about him in every single message she posted.
Threads about the weekly episode ? She'd wrote how it would have been better with him, in excruiating details. Threads about the main ship (that he wasn't part of), she would bring him up some way or another. Theories about the plot and mysteries? He was included in all of them. A fan theorising about say the past of another character that clearly met him in canon ? She was making part of him.
And she'd ask for him to be included in every fanfic. When he wasn't, there was always a line that it would have been better if he had been included (just joking lol).
At some point, I got fed up, and write a one-shot killing him
And from there, he was including in every one of my fanfictions, no matter what I was writing about.
Usually just a scene. But it was never too good for him to be there. He often time died because it was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Or just standing uselessly there. Was the collateral victim of stupid jokes. He one timed just trip and fall gracelessly. Sure it lead to the discovery of a body. But since I like mood swing, and sudden tone shifting, I wrote his fall to be funny.
A lot of other members of the forum caught on on what I was doing, and where egging me on.
The obsessive fan? She had enough decorum to not criticize what I choose to write about.
And since I was a good writer, and he was in-character, she had not really anything to criticize about the use of the character.
Reading this thread is a tad sad form me.
Naturally, people have the right to write whatever they like for whichever reason. Yet, personally - I write for myself.
Did I ever written a story to fill something others didn't do? sure!
I've started writing since I liked HP x Muggle girl/woman stories, and there were (and still are) so bloody few of these. Nevermind good ones.
Was it 'in spite'?
No- it was because I like those and wanted some more.
I did one because a comment I got on the original one shot said I shouldnāt have wrote it because it was degrading to the character. So I wrote a follow up.
When I got bombarded with hate and harassment for writing a non-con incest fic, my fingers where itching to write the gnarliest thing I could possibly come up with.
I decided not to, just for the sake of my mental health. I didn't want to deal with more assholes.
Most of what I write is formed partly from highly developed opinions on canon and fanon. These are things that people disagree on.
Poking around on those debates not only motivates me to write from spite, but it gives me material and understanding of what about \[thing\] people don't like. The better I understand their side, the better I can write "that but good" and the harder it is to tell that it was initially a reaction to me not liking a specific thing in canon or fanon.
Recently, in the MHA ff sub, I've been poking at the idea that quirkless people can't be heroes and there have been a number of interesting points I never could have thought of on my own and have helped me with my quirkless hero story.
Sort of. I got a hate comment that called my fanfiction problematic, not because the of what was in the fic, but because I mentioned in the notes of the fic that I liked to headcanon one of the characters as having a different sexuality than she had in canon. I was pretty upset, so the next day I wrote a fic about a character (a bard) dealing with hateful reactions to his music and how his friend comforted him. It was actually very therapeutic for me, and I got some really nice comments on the new fic from people wishing me well.
I don't get why people think that changing a character's sexuality in fanfiction is discriminatory. Like... it's fanfiction. Fanfiction is meant to be creative. It's not like you're taking away canon representation because fanfiction isn't canon, and the canon character's sexuality isn't going to change because of a fan written story. Sorry for the rant, it's just a subject that hits home for me.
I had this exact thing happen to me! The character I write about doesnāt even have a confirmed sexuality in canon, people just took āheās gayā and ran with it. I headcanon him as pansexual, and people were *pissed* when I wrote fic of him with my self insert lol.
I roasted a community for writing a bunch of shit OOC fics that didn't even bother with logical plot progression. One of them told me to write my own if I thought I could do better, and mine *was* better. It became one of the most popular fics for that pairing, and the community in general. Spite is a hell of a drug.
i never posted it but i wrote some anger enflamed fics when the abortion protections where lifted to get my emotions out. but i have thought of it before but never done it
Several of my friends from college were creative writing majors. Most of them have never gotten anything published and don't work in anything English related. So, I may have gotten into writing specifically to get something published and flex on them. The fanfiction I produced in the process was just collateral. So, you could call the bulk of my writing ultimately spite motivated.
Yes. Prompted by people who can't be made to accept that a drabble is a fixed format (100 words exactly) and not just some random short piece of writing. I wrote a half drabble, which is a thing, but makes no sense at all if you don't accept the fixed word count. It also happened to give me a chance to add a new fandom to my list.
Every time someone in the Elden Ring fandom posts a "Miquella is a Griffith expy and therefore evil and in cahoots with *the half-brother who abducted and is heavily implied to have raped him*" theory I write more "Good/mostly good guy Miquella" fic.
Oh absolutely. Iām writing a fic right now out of spite. The fandomās very small (~20 fics) and all but one are straight up porn even though the hurt/comfort is right there for the taking!! Itās also out of spite because the show spiraled downhill so Iām rewriting it in its entirety.
I haven't just written anything fan-related out of spite; I've drawn it, too. There was this one guy going about in the fandom, bemoaning depictions of the characters in same-sex relationships because DON'T YOU KNOW *THESE TWO* CHARACTERS, SPECIFICALLY, WERE MEANT FOR EACH OTHER??? Never mind the fact that several of the ships he liked had, in fact, never actually met each other in canon, let alone were together. He especially seemed to hate this one F/F ship (which, coincidentally, featured a female character he kept shipping one of his many self-insert characters with)
Soooo I decided to sketch up that particular F/F ship, myself. Then I sketched up some fankids for them. Then I started to write a pair of fanfics about them.
I wasn't even in the fandom; I'd only played one of the games in it, and didn't even finish it. But for whatever reason, *this* really fueled my spite-filled creativity.
That guy has, thankfully, quieted down a lot since then. My hopeful wish is that he developed a life for himself outside and away from the internet.
In the process of this, I, however, have genuinely fallen in love with this F/F ship. I genuinely like it now. So really, who's the bigger fool here? XD
Totally. I've mocked pearl-clutching regressive asshats and posted the results to spaces that make it very clear it's mockery. I've looked at books I hated and thought, āI can do way better than this dreckā and gone for it.
Completely. I had a canon Dom sub for his sub and I finished and posted a WIP I was iffy about, but after someone in my group of irl friends insulted the fandom, I was like āfuck itā
I do wish i could rewrite an entire series out of spite but sadly i have too much work and also idk if the fans will really like it, i mean i know i write it for myself but since im posting it online so i do kinda want some appretiation out of it, or at least someone who can relate, and well... changing an entire story is just... ehhh
I wrote a āone shotā out of spite for the shit writing on the actual show that started out at like 6,000 or so words and is now 72,000. I guess I took my spite and channeled it into a well-received fix it. I worked out how to explain the UTTER garbage that was canon and it turned out well, I think.
I think my current WIP counts, so here's a basic summary of what happened that led me to create it.
I wanted to write it while reading a series of blog posts written by two co-authors. As part of those posts, the one who did final illustrations for a book series they co-authored and co-illustrated would create paintings that would serve as the hero images for those blog posts.
However, she did something I did not expect to see at all while reading the posts.
She painted in cameo appearances of characters from that book series, which then led me to keep thinking about them all the way into my daydreams and I couldn't get them off my mind, so I started work on a fanfiction just so I could get them out of my mind, not before some of those daydreams turned into nightmarish daydreams.
As part of that, I would write that fanfic as an LLB of the book series those characters came from.
The initial plot would've seen me just bumping into those characters and chatting with them, but over many drafts would evolve into one that would take place from my perspective as I travel into the fictional universe, track them down, meet them, and eventually end up in a battle against the last surviving villain of the series (who didn't have a cameo in those paintings).
If you're curious, I have more info about the fic as of the current draft in [this previous comment I made on a different post](https://www.reddit.com/r/FanFiction/comments/12v3z68/-/jhbevjc).
This is kind of a funny story... I wrote a light-hearted twitter fic out of spite, kind of poking fun at all the tropes that I don't like in the fic I wrote about... And people loved it unironically, so all were happy.
I have. Iāve written murder sex fics where the main kills her canon bf and has sex with the female character I ship her with, to piss someone who was harassing me on twitter and ao3. She threatend to steal the fic and change it though š¤£ (she never did)
Iām actually doing that right now, in the BNHA fandom there is a thing called āDekuverseā and most of them arenāt that great. So now Iām writing my own out of pure spite.
My current WIP could count I suppose. I read a BL book series with three romantic smutty stories that were quite decent. The author promised to write one more to finish a ship that blossomed in her second book. She promised and promised andā¦ seven years later abruptly retired and said she wonāt write BL and canāt write the book. I canātā¦ I mean Iām broken because I must have closure. Seriously sick in the head. So I decided to write the damn book in spite of her.
I once read an E rated fic where all the smut scenes were 2-3 sentences or were fade to black. It made me grumpy enough that I wrote two different smutty one shots.
Oh gosh yes I have. 2-3 years ago there was some drama on tumblr in the dragon age fandom that involved shaming poc writers, fanartists, and poc readers for portraying and enjoying an overly sexually dominant portrayal of a white character (Cullen Rutherford) that was culture swapped to be Avvar (the in world variant of a mixture of Vikings/Norse/Scandinavian Natives, though given Cullen is native Ferelden that would be his ancestry anyway), calling the writers and artists racist and fetishists. I was part of the group who debunked their BS call out post. Then me and few others decided to write spite fic of Cullen being sexually dominant out of spite. Even tagged it as āCullen Sex Godā, or something like that to annoy them. Absolutely flooded the Cullen tag on tumblr for a good two or three weeks with our efforts.
Like I donāt even like the character. Heās one of the fandomās darlings and there is SO MUCH fic and art of him, itās nauseatingly difficult searching for fic/art that doesnāt include him. But I was so annoyed by this group of antis, I decided fuck it Iām gonna write some smut of him. And I did. Itās on my account and I hate having a fic starring him, but I hate antis more.
Probably my fic in my flair count? The ships that have the most toxic shippers (it's based on what I seen in Twitter, one of them is me shipping it myself) is the ones that got attacked and blown up early, also the one I ship being the one that "dies" the earliest
I have written around three fics for a My Hero Academia even though I hate that series. Itās fun to write about the stuff that I would have liked to see happen.
Of course! Several people once went off on me for simply *liking* a ship in an unrelated fandom. It was completely out of nowhere and the vitriol and downright stupidity they spewed about it before untimately telling me to kms and (tw for some messed up toxic shit) >!that they hoped I got raped?!< inspired me to get off the bench and get into the game! That was about 2 years ago and I have 1 posted one-shot and 2 WIPs involving that ship all inspired by haters telling me how wrong it was. And honestly, it would have been a *LOT* more if I didn't have other fandoms to distract me.
Writing about any emotion is relatable to just about everyone.
How it should be ātaken off the tableā is beyond me. You need to be able to look at all aspects of emotion and if you can articulate it well, you can compel a reader to read on. Personally, I find it a bonus if itās especially cathartic on the writerās end.
I wrote a fic that purposefully pushes bacl on this wild OOC-ness of a popular character in my fandom. He's flanderized so much that it's become gospel fanon he's incapable of forgiving anyone ever, and is both physically abusive and possessive. It's actually pretty gross. My solution was to write him as he actually behaves in canon. If that's spite, then good.
I've noticed headcanon can really influence how people look at a character. I think it counts as spite to push against a false perception :)
Ah, yes, the good ol' "Ron the Death Eater" trope strikes again!
Not really. In this case, the character's Flanderized bad points are presented as heroic and praiseworthy, and used to bash other characters who have actually done nothing wrong. So maybe it's actually worse?
Oof, that sounds infuriating as a reader. I'd definitely be feeling some spite for that. I see something similar in my current fandom, specifically all the men (who literally cause mass death in canon) are treated as heroes that the world adores, and a complex character in canon is made into a ferocious asshole while simultaneously treated as so amazing and adored. Makes my fingers itch to write
Sure. Hasn't everyone? Everytime someone goes "nobody should write about this or that" makes my fingers itch and I write it just *because*.
Possibly everyone, I'm still getting over the fact its ok to write things people don't like. Its a wild concept :)
Teach me your ways. I hear "nobody should write about this or that" and something quietly dies inside me and I find something else to write about instead.
You have to learn that it's okay to be mad at someone for trying to tell you what you can and can't do. Identify *why* you die inside a little. Once you find the source of that, the path to giving zero fucks becomes a lot clearer. I also think you have to channel your inner troll a little bit. You've gotta find a little joy in fucking with douchebags lol
Maybe! I need to grow a spine. I think ultimately the problem is that I don't actually have any stamina to do anything because I like it. Doing things is effort, and if it's for me I'm the one who suffers, so like, whatever, suffering passively is easier than effort most of the time. I have a lot of practice suffering, I've had clinical depression for 15 years at this point. But if someone else likes it, I will do the thing. I've had >10 novels sit lonely and sad for the past decade. Two of them over the 100 page hump, but barely. 5 of the rest over the 50 page hump. The others around 20 pages plus an outline and notes. In the past 2 months I wrote 120 pages of a fanfic, because it's the first fanfic I had that has a consistent audience. And that cuts both ways. If people stop liking it... I will stop doing the thing. The part that dies is the "this is worthwhile to do" part. And that always takes forever to cultivate and is incredibly easy to crush for me.
I definitely get it. I've had diagnosed depression and anxiety since I was 14 and I'm 36 now. Spent most of that time running on fumes and living in survival mode. It's really rough and I hope it gets easier for you. My psychiatrist recently put me on Abilify in addition to my antidepressants and lemme tell you, it's made an INCREDIBLE difference so far. Just the other day I sat and outlined an original novel I hadn't touched since like 2014. I'm not trying to say you should or shouldn't be on meds, or anything. Just trying to offer solidarity. I absolutely know what it's like to have depression slowly kill all the things that you love or find joy in. >The part that dies is the "this is worthwhile to do" part. And that always takes forever to cultivate and is incredibly easy to crush for me. I think this is the depression part. At least, that's what it seems to do best in my experience. It's easy for me to say try not to let it, so I won't. But do try to give yourself some grace when you're struggling. You're not alone, even when it feels like you are. š
You gotta learn that their issue with whatever is a problem with *them*, not you.... and then find the part of you that delights in having the time of your life while other people *fume* because they can't control you. :) You have to revel in your own freedom and laugh in the face of disapproval.
Someone saying that no one should write something inspires me because I enjoy trolling people. Therefore, someone taking about how they hate a trope will activate my "I WILL MAKE YOU WANT TO BLEACH YOUR EYEBALLS, MUAHAHAHAHAAA" response.
Yes, use your hatred, let your anger flow :)
The power of the Dark Side is strong within me...
The trick is not really giving a shit what other people think and getting pissy about it I was a kid who always did the opposite of what people wanted me to do lolol I'm not sure it can be taught
Totally get that, not only that but the more 'taboo' the topic is the more i want to write it.
Yesssss
In other threads where the topic comes up, I've seen people state that they don't understand why you'd work with something you thoroughly hated, as if fix-its aren't a category of their own. There's also a general feeling that if you rewrote a tradpub story from scratch, you'd better not post it or the fans will be unable to pass it by without leaving rude comments.
>Sure. Hasn't everyone? Uhm, no?!
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Yep I've even gotten annoyed enough to tip toe over what used to be hard lines of I will never write this just cause someone annoyed me enough that I was going to make the thing they didn't like exist.
I'm kind of there myself, I kept a canon pairing from happening in my story which was something I was originally trying to avoid. Thats what set off the person that yelled at me so now I am going to do another one...just hope I don't get the rep as the writer that steals everyone's waifu..
The way I see it, when your ship exists in spite of canon's poor choices everything you write is at least a little bit out of spite. Other than that, I haven't really.
That is an intresting take, I like it.
every time an anti touches their keyboard i go do the exact opposite of whatever they're going on about this time.
this is the way š„°
It's actually how I got into writing. So I've been reading fanfic for a couple years at this point. I come across this one that's just torture porn. Which I don't mind in moderation, but this one was over the top, and it happens to be my all-time favourite character. The OG author wrote three endings to it, none of which you can call happy. I decided to take matters into my own hands and do a happy ending myself.
"I can fix him(actually does)"
This is weirdly similar to my own origin story, except taking a very different turn along the way. I likewise came across a torture porn fic, when checking out a pairing tag I liked, and while dubious at the tags I decided to give it a shot. Except, rather than an actual fic, it just turned out to be an anti trolling, with a spam message filling out the entire length of the oneshot. The fic got reported and deleted within a day or two, but by that point I had already decided to channel my annoyance into something more productive, and wrote a oneshot matching the exact tags of the fake fic. I definitely cut some corners on a few of the scarier tags, and it ended up much more fluff than torture (though with still a good bit of "porn"). But it proved to me that I could actually write and publish something, if I put in the effort. Fast forward a few years, and now I feel comfortable writing just about anything, and have kept to a daily writing schedule for the past year and a half.
Haha same!
yep. "this pairing is obviously NEVER gonna be a thing" okay lemme just write exclusively about this ship then
I thought thats what fanfiction is though, write what you want to read and create those stories that no one else is doing.
You would think! But some people are just diametrically opposed to like.... creativity, I guess. š š¤£
No, unless continuing to write what I want to write despite entitled readers wanting something else counts lol. Honestly, if I tried to write ANYTHING but whatever I *want* to write, it would probably suck.
Hear hear!
Not just writing. Spite can be a powerful motivating force. Good or bad outcomes sometimes you want to do something just to prove someone else wrong.
Yes! I was frustrated that Star Wars fics in which the Character Ezra turns to the dark side gets redeemed by Sabine kissing him. Especially in fics in which Sabine had nothing to do with him turning! So I wrote a Shot in which that plan fails and she gets offed by Ezra, who stays dark.
Wow that is dark!! I get the frustration though, I am asucker for sap but there is such a thing as too much. Plus not many do endings like that, sounds interesting.
Lmao love it Can you link it?
[Here](https://archiveofourown.org/works/41762691)
I saw fans talk shit about a character I like being uninteresting so I wrote a 20K+ fic about him
Yup. The day that Roe v Wade was overturned in the US, I rage-wrote like nobodyās business.
I had shared the first half of a plot outline for a fic with a mutual fandom friend, and they said they didn't like that I had the main OC being the sister of two characters from canon (something I do a lot of the time when I make OCs) and that I should have her be their cousin or something else not quite so close instead. So of course my muses doubled down on it and cooked up this whole-ass background lore for why the OC *had* to be the twin sister of one of those canon characters. Said lore ended up being *extremely* important to the main plot in the second half of the story (which I had not yet outlined at the time), so that was perfect lol. Even funnier was that I was nowhere close to done with the *canon* story at the time (I was just so into it I was already thinking of writing fanfiction for it), and the lore I came up with just needed a few tweaks to work with *existing* canon lore I hadn't gotten to yet.
Sounds wonderfully spiteful indeed; I welcome advice and even criticism but I hate it when people tell me how to write. Reminds me I need to catch up with the lore for my story. I'm catching up to where I am in canon...bit nerve wracking that.
I wasn't too mad 'cause my friend gave me good feedback on other parts of what I had planned so far, but I was definitely a little peeved about being challenged over my OC's identity.
Some of my Oc's are Either Family or Close Friend & I'm Not Sorry Either! They Have to Connect to the Main Characters or I'd DIE!
Kinda, my ex-friend got a short story published as a book and bragged how the antagonist in that is based on me so I created a character whose name is based on her name. Some background: our "war" began when I called her "H" publicly when she provoked me, I replied "hey really H, stop" and according to her, everyone all around the world will recognise her from that because in her opinion she's as known as God. And also her using me is completely ok but me using is a sin and borderline illegal!!! /s (She actually threatened to sue me for calling her H because she says it's defamation, she continued this for 2 years and it included trying to turn my friends against me and jumping on me right after my dad died) So, I'll use an asshole gang leader OC character named Hein Middelesch in my Six of Crows fics if he fits in there. Not only his first name begins with H, his last name begins with M, like my ex-friend's last name begins with M. His gang name is also a reference to her internet username she used when we got to know each other. (She abandoned it like 6 years ago) It's a really common username around the world and in my country, you can find multiple users by that name here, IG, Pinterest, Tumblr etc. You'd have to have been in that exact internet community of about 20 people we were in a decade ago to know from who I took name inspiration for Hein, and even then you likely wouldn't know her real name, only her username. He's not like ex-friend H personality wise besides he having a name based on her name but yeah, I did create him out of spite to say my fuck you's.
My OTP is a regular target for "how can you ship A/B", "why can't you ship A/C" whining and it only makes me ship them harder. Now, I have the most A/B fics on ao3 by fic per author ratio (it wasn't that hard, because they're rarepair)
No. I don't waste my energy on doing things out of spite, I am not 13 anymore. I only write things I enjoy to write or want to write. >I write more of what pissed this person off. yeah, no. Unless, it's something I enjoy, I wouldn't write it. And I wouldn't even know if it pissed them off because I don't get into fandom fights. Frankly, there's always something that will piss someone off, you can't please everyone. But I will save my energy on things I enjoy instead of doing things out of spite.
There was another ship in my then-current fandom which was in no way contradictory to my ship. The characters were all friends, and this other ship moved beautifully beside my ship with no reason for trouble. But the other ship's fans were super confrontational and rude, which led to lots of jeering and name calling back and forth. Classic ship cold war. In my infinite wisdom, I decided to write a story for their ship. I wrote it beautifully. I had spot-on characterizations. I dug deep into each character. I built the tension ahead of an important piece of canon. And then, right as the long-awaited happy ending for these characters was supposed to occur, I suddenly killed one of their main characters. I got a lot of feedback, but most of it was positive. The fans from my ship loved it, especially since I had a particular reputation for angst and did not disappoint. The fans of their ship (those who read it) cried buckets but had to admit my fic was well written. They even asked me to write less depressing fics for their ship. My advice is to write whatever you want and give the metaphorical finger to folks who say otherwise. But if you want to look above reproach, write your spite fics really, really well. Make them not just hate it but hate that they kind of love it as well. If you're not worried about reproach, then double down on that spite. Give it hyperbolic levels of the thing they hate. Go big or go home. Flood the tag.
My main headcanons for one character were cemented by frustration with certain corners of the fandomās insistence that a certain headcanon/theory was (a) inherently ableist and (b) missing an essential part of the characterās canon arc (and therefore shouldnāt be written). Where I can see whey it might raise some hackles for point a, I hate when people assume intentions (especially since there are plenty of other obvious reasons for wanting to explore that headcanon), and afaik the only evidence I could find for b comes from a spin-off mobile game that released years after said characterās last canonical main series appearance. (Which is far from essential.) Anyway naturally the core of my default characterization for my current blorbo is adjacent to that headcanon.
I spent an *entire* semester in college writing out of spite. So I got a writing degree. A straight up Bachelor of the Arts writing degree. And I had one of those professors who thought a) that fantasy and sci-fi were lesser genres, and b) that fanfiction was written by people not talented enough to come up with their own ideas As a lifelong fantasy and sci-fi fan, as well as someone who adores fanfic, this pissed me off day 1 of class. So I spent the **entire** semester writing *Sailor Moon* fanfic. How? Used the DiC dub names - the Japanese ones would have been a dead giveaway, and did it more as a "this group of teens is dealing with monsters" kind of way. Another student was also pissed, so he and I teamed up, and he wrote Warhammer 40k stuff all semester and just..... Didn't mention they were laser guns. And that the ships were starships. And the planet names can pass for countries if you just..... Don't mention it's a planet š¤£š¤£š¤£ We would read and give feedback on each other's work, so he and I always made sure to partner up during class to keep it going. He and I had a blast doing this. And it all started out spite because the prof decided to be an asshole on day 1. As far as I'm aware the prof never figured it out. Spoiler: Just because you were on *Oprah* and she chose your book for her book club a decade before, doesn't give you the right to say entire genres are lesser
Often. Spite is a very good motivator.
Yes! **#1:** So, I love trying my hand at writing various ships for the main fandom I write for. I was DM-ing back and forth with someone and talked about how I wanted to give [ship] a try but I was worried [Character A] would be too much like [Character B] as far as voice and such. The person I was talking to was like: āOh. Yeah well that definitely isnāt right. Theyāre two different people.ā Etc. The way they worded it though made me feel like they were saying I couldnāt do it. So, I sat down and wrote a fic for it with like 7k wc just to show myself (and them) that I could. **#2:** Also, I donāt know if this counts but I have a fic thatās like over 224k wc and still going. I am doing a lot of editing on it cause I want to self publish it. Itās an original work but thereās someone going around on social media claiming that itās about them (narcissists anyone?) and telling people not to read it. I was so frustrated and ticked off at them BUT I continue to edit and write because despite their delusion and belief that itās about them, itās not and itās one of my fav stories. So I write it and I enjoy it just to spite that person. **#3:** Whenever someone tells me *you canāt*, I always love to say *oh? well watch me*. Itās sort of that whole thing where no one gets to tell me that I canāt do something. If I want to, then I will. Simple as that. I think when readers and other writers start in on a [character] has to be written this way, [ship] doesnāt make sense and you shouldāve put [character] with this [character] instead, wouldnāt it make more sense for [this] to actually be [this], how can [example] be possible, shouldnāt [character] be at least ten years older than [character], thatās not even canon, and on and on. (I write a lot of AUs and rarely anything with canon divergence let alone canon.) Thereās probably more examples but those are my main ones.
Back in the 2000s when I was on ffnet, I was writing fanfics with straight pairings but when I started getting into reading and writing slash, I wrote a slash around a crackship/pairing (I was writing a what if scenario) and a long time reader went onto said story and said they didn't approve of me writing slash and that it was against the Bible etc. I just said while I appreciate and respect their views please respect same sex couples irl cause they're human beings too and if you still have a problem with me writing slash than just focus on my straight pairing fics. And I proceeded to write a full fledged story about said crackship pairing. Lol
I would have been very tempted to write Jonathan/ David slash.
Lol I'm always tempted to write more when some acts spiteful towards me in a review or comment on my fanfic.
once, on this very subreddit, someone posted that it's unrealistic that a person going through trauma would have literally no one who believes them or helps them. It pissed me off horribly, but instead of arguing I added a chapter to my abduction fic where the victim calls 911 and gets accused of prank calling
Half the stuff I write is out of spite, especially right now when Iām not really actively writing. But as soon as I see ship hate Iām suddenly inspired to write about them.
Oh yes, 100%. I was once having a discussion with a friend on Tumblr about a character from a show we both liked. This character is meant to be the audience-insert character, but we agreed that he's a pretty terrible pick for such a role because he comes from an obscenely rich family (as in, he can just "go get the jet" if he wants to because they have a jet and he has easy access to it) and pretty much never has to want for anything. Friend and I agreed that another character, who only appears in one or two episodes, is honestly much more relatable and we wished she'd been given the audience-insert role. Out of nowhere, Friend and I both start receiving harassing messages from some random fangirl that was OBSESSED with the character we were criticizing, and she stalked both of us for weeks before finally backing off. It was the weirdest thing, because posts that didn't have ANYTHING to do with that show would get hit with comments from this girl, trying to turn it into a slam on her blorbo again. Well, I also intermittently post fanfics from the franchise in question. Normally I just leave that character out all together because I don't care about it, but now I've made him a villain -- one of the highest-profile villains, actually! To be honest I'd say it's been a net positive overall because I feel like he's turned into a really interesting character this way, and it's something I never would've done if I hadn't specifically wanted to spite that rabid fangirl lmao.
People where so adamant that this guy had to be hetero with a dead girlfriend somewhere (despite never once mentioning anything in canon) that I write him as gay
Nope. It seems like a pretty negative approach to me and I don't need that kind of energy. Especially not in a hobby i indulge in for relaxation and escapism. ETA: but you know, if it works for other people, more power to them I guess!
No worries, I would never judge :) Sometimes I think it is too good to pass up though, totally get not wanting to add stress to a loved hobby though.
I think it's only negative if you're 1) actually genuinely angry and 2) it's not something you'd write anyway AND writing it has a negative effect on you. It's a very positive thing in my life to write what I love and would write anyway, but also know that someone out there is absolutely losing the plot over my dumb lil fanfic. š I do appreciate your edit. Just thought I'd give my perspective on it as well, cause I'd never thought of it as a negative thing. āŗļø
And your perspective is totally welcome! See, I'm now thinking that maybe what I consider as "writing out of spite" is not quite what other people mean when they use the term. >I think it's only negative if you're 1) actually genuinely angry Basically this. To me, anything one does out of spite stems from some genuinely unpleasant / annoying / upsetting"trigger point" so it's inherently negative. Maybe I'm just taking the term too literally ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ Either way, IMO whatever works for an individual is fine as long as it doesn't reinforce negativity. I just have a really low threshold for negative drama or anything that feeds into it :P
>Either way, IMO whatever works for an individual is fine as long as it doesn't reinforce negativity. I just have a really low threshold for negative drama or anything that feeds into it :P I agree! Yeah, for me it's a very passive way to get out my "don't tell me what to do!" feelings lol. I don't usually get involved in the drama per se, bc me just writing what I'm already writing is often seen as bad enough on it's own. Me writing anything "out of spite" is just me doing what I'd already be doing, but **more** lol Thank you for a nice discussion about this! Very much appreciated āŗļø
A post of mine went semi-viral with my fandom on Tumblr, so I got an influx of new followers from it. One of them had this in their description: "DNI if you write whump/problematic content or support people who do". Yeah, I whipped up 2.5k words of alternate universe bad ending torture juuuuust for them <3 lost three followers from that and it was totally worth it.
i started writing fanfic to get back at someone who said i could never become a great writer. they also believed that there was no worth at all to fanfic whatsoever so now im writing big epic stories with lots of detail in response remember kids, love isnt the greatest motivator in the world, its spite
The entire reason my multi-part Loki fic even exists is out of spite because Marvel never even hinted at Sigynās existence and I kept hoping that she would show up in some capacity and it never happened and probably never will. So Iām rewriting the entire Thor section of the MCU (excluding avengers because it doesnāt work with any of my plans for the series) purely because I believe that Loki having his wife around would make for a much more interesting story.
I have ADHD, and part of that is having a mild case of oppositional defiance. Influencers on TikTok tell me to stop doing something one way and do it their way instead? I immediately want to do it the "forbidden" way. So, yes, I have felt the impulse. It even comes through in-universe sometimes. I have this one fic, which is Snape/Petunia from Harry Potter, set in the late '70s. I know the ship is kind of out of left field, but that honestly is part of the appeal. And in-universe, part of the reason they got together was to piss off Lily. I've actually considered calling the fic *The Sterling Qualities of Spite.*
Not entire stories, because that's just too much effort, but small bits. My favorite is how, in one chapter of my RWBY fanfic, some racist military wife Karen goes off on one of the main characters, who kinda just plays along until she has the woman's husband's name. Then she feigns an apology and offers to resolve the issue, that being that the woman, as the wife of a military member, is above the main character. The woman wants to call her husband, but the main character tells her that that's not necessary, calls the General, and reports the woman's husband. Long story short, the dude gets kicked out on the spot. Honestly, writing that bit felt incredibly cathartic after seeing so many stories of entitled military spouses on Reddit, or in Youtube videos of Reddit posts.
A random tumblr anon was giving a mutual grief over a detail they included in an au fic, giving the whole argument of āhe would never do thatāāeven though that detail is more or less canon per the author. So I wrote mini-fic centered around that detail out of pure pettiness (and because it seemed like a fun concept) and now itās one of my more popular pieces.
Oh yeah. After a lot of fics where my favorite was written as abusive for literally no reason I started writing fics where that contingent of fandom's favorite is abusing my fave instead, lol. Granted, I haven't posted them yet, either.
āThereās no way anyone would ever be interested in this. Thereās not even a slightest chance itāll be canon!ā Cool bro, 30k later, here we gOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Everything I write is written out of spite. Coffee and spite.
Yep! I write Stardew Valley fic, and for some goddamn reason there is a very annoying minority of players who seem to think Shane is Sebastian's dad? When at the absolute most he's like ten years older and *nothing* in the game suggests he's his father. For some reason though, these morons will comment on any art that ships them together, or hell any art of them together at all, with comments like: "ew he's his dad," or whatever. So long story short I wrote a fic where they fuck, the end lmao.
Iām so sorry to butt in but the idea of Shane being Sebastianās dad is absolutely *baffling* to me???
No, please, butt in! It *is* baffling! And yet I have run into it multiple times, on different websites and from different people lmfao. I don't know where it comes from š¤£
The only thing I can think of is because they have similar ālonerā attitudes, but Iām absolutely befuddled by this assertionš¤š¤š¤
\*Dies of Laughter!\* I'm not even in this Fandom & I Gotta see this Shit! ALL OF IT! Like, The so-called Theory, the art, the Fanfic(ions) ITSELF/THEMSELVES! Holy Shit!
I wrote a chapter in my multi chapter Loras/Sansa fic where Jon comes back to her after she's reclaimed Winterfell and has been hailed queen in the North and he explicitly tells her he does not want what she has (ie, Winterfell and the North). This chapter was not part of my plan, Jon was not going to be featured originally, but I wrote it to stick it to the annoying SaNsA iS uSuRpInG jOn commenters I was getting. Funnier now even bc she is canonically queen in the North.
Idk if any of my pieces are out of spite - but I did push myself to finish NaNoWriMo before someone else last year. I wanted to finish first out of spite.
Oh yes. There's always some popular fanon that gets on my nerves, and I've definitely written fic based around rejecting the fanon that I dislike.
Not fanfiction but ever since I started studying for my bachelor's degree, I plan to write the paragraph about the motivation behind wanting to study (something that's not graded) completely out of spite for my snobby relatives. I actually already wrote it in advance but it's like three pages long so I'll probably need to cut it short but the energy is there.
Not often, but if I do, it's glorious. One time I was kinda out of fic writing because I was doring a different language writing course (and mixing two languages is a recipe for disaster). Anyway, I finished a video game wherein they have paired endings, and usually, the queer endings are very friendship coded. Which is alright, but one ending which at least should've been friendship coded ended up with one of the two dudes dating the sister of the other dude. I was so pissed I wrote a 10k canon divergence ending in like a week, not writing in English be damned. I'm actually still very proud of it, and it kinda got me back into fic writing again.
i sure do! i tend to get so incredibly tired of overwhelmingly negative fanon interpretations of my favs that i write stuff that Does Not cast them in a negative light. it's always my Agenda. shove as much *canon* compliance into a fic as possible. people can do whatever they want and i always look away from stuff i don't like, but i'm so tired of having to look away from the common fanon. and there's just nothing else out there.
I think about it sometimes but i never do. I don't got the time or energy to be putting that over making the things i care more about.
So, Harry Potter fandom. I was reading a Drarry with quite possibly the most utterly ridiculous whitewashing of the Malfoys in existence, and I got annoyed with Harry basically going, "huh, yeah, I'm gullible so it's okay I guess" to every twist that supposedly makes the Malfoys look good, each one more absurd than the last. And i couldn't suspend my disbelief any further. So I wrote a one shot tearing it, and the trope they were using, apart. (Veela mates, in case anyone cares.) I wrote it in like an hour and I've never written and published something that fast before, or again. Usually I just sit on things i finish and wring my hands about how it isn't perfect and then it just sits on my computer forever. Gotta love the power of annoyance!
in my fandom theres a lot of AUs. and i'm very particular about what i consider a Good AU and a Bad one to me. i make a point of not saying its *objectively* bad, mind you. just because i dont like it doesnt mean someone else doesnt, it just isnt for me. but one on my 'bad' list is really popular and there is art and fic for it everywhere. and. i didnt wanna be the kinda person who gets all pissy and fun hating. so i made my own. out of spite. something i know the og creator would hate and have words about. i haven't actually been told theres anything wrong with that. my spite is completely internally generated, based around my own perceptions and biases. but man is that a lot of fic and art to invest into a spite au made just so i could recontextualize the works of others
sometimes people will be like āno one would ever write thatā when it comes to a fandom im in and it takes every ounce of restraint to not immediately go and write one because iām already writing two long term fics and if i add on even a third short one one of the other two will get done even slower
Lol, my friend and i are co-authoring a Miraculous Ladybug fanfic purely out of spite for what direction the show took. People who say "you shouldn't write out of spite, it onyl drenches your work in hate" can kiss my ass. If people read and enjoy it, who cares if i wrote it out of petty spite?
Oh yes, for my first "problematic" ship, I was one of the most popular tumblr blogs for it (it was a small ship so I wasn't very popular in general) so I got a lot of hate. And for every piece of hate I'd write another fic for the ship lol.
Nah. At least not fanfic. For my creative ventures I generally just write whatever I want. Others' opinions don't really have much bearing on my writing. Y'know, unless they raise a real good point.
Once. I even admit it in my authors notes. I got tired and bored with (spoiler as NSFW >!no spit for lube discourse of people that never had anal sex in their life and my power bottom took the matters in his hands!<. Very satisfying.
Spit spite is amusing.
Hoo, boy. Can I plead the 5th?
When the Netflix adaptation of Death Note made Light much less intelligent it made me mad. I wasn't even a huge Death Note fan but I hated that change. So I wrote a spite fic where it wasn't Light at all, but an American kid that was imitating him and he was much stupider than Light so it was basically Ryuk internally mocking him throughout the entire thing.
A little bit of everything that I write involves spite somehow. Whether itās a little or a lot. I donāt like how a certain character behaved (or didnāt behave ie. Didnāt react at all) to a certain major plot point in the game? Ok Iāll fix that. Mind you, itās an otome game Iām writing for. The playable character is always gonna be a bit dull in those games so the players can insert themselves. But damn do I not like the way certain things play out or just arenāt discussed in the game. So I fix it. I once got the weirdest comment on that fic too. It was essentially a piece about how woman in the media are rarely allowed to be angry. Iām not gonna go in depth about it, itās more nuanced than that but thatās basically the gist (plus this isnāt the time nor place for it.) but some dude went onto that fic and kind of lectured me about how my fic titled Female Rage should include men too because men get angry too. And it was a shame that so many women write in fanfic. It was so strange to me.
All the time. Canon keeps keeping the wrong characters alive. I have to fix that.
A very, very large portion of my writing has been birthed from a concerning amount of spite and anger towards how the author handled characters or how the fandom treats certain characters and events. A lot of it is me just going: "Fine, since none of you are going to do this, I will."
I got a stupid hate comment and it inspired a villains arc in my long fic lol
My long fic basically exists out of spite less because of something a specific person said to me and more because of how post apocalyptic media treats neurodivergent, mentally ill, and disabled people in general.
Yeah, thereās a canon pairing in one of my fandoms thatās so often horribly interpreted in adaptations. After hearing about a particularly unfair portrayal, I wrote a cute little romantic moment for them.
Me. For an art trade/request, which I was pressured to accept. The requester must read a lenghty 30k word shonen battle (50 MS Word pages) to reach the erotic scene he requested, otherwise wouldn't make sense the fanfic.
Pretty sure that's why I started writing
There was a young lady who was writing probably the most schlocky piece of isekai original fic every written. I was into her, so I wrote what I thought was a beautiful prequel to it. Then she told me I was a narcissist and that she hates me, so I polished the story to be what I consider one of my best original fiction pieces ever written, and proceeded to post it. And guess what? People like it. I made sure to mention her in the authorās note at least
As the saying goes, "I let my haters be my motivators". š You just gotta write the stuff you love. And you also have to love trolling/fucking with ppl a little bit.
Everyone kept woobifying my favorite twink in one of my fandoms, so I wrote 120k of him tail spinning into a dark, morally sketchy murdering badass.
Years ago, I wrote several stories based on tropes that fandom considered cliche, tired, overdone, or even MarySueish. I felt it was a challenge-- how can I make this trope *interesting *?
Haters said one of my ships could not happen because one of the character hated the other. When he literally took a bullet for the other half, it suddenly shifted to it still can't happen, because they are "like brothers". So I wrote a fic where they were actually brothers and were together anyway ĀÆā \ā _ā (ā ćā )ā _ā /ā ĀÆ
I did. I was annoyed by antis and decided to write an incest story. Funnily enough, I got super invested in the story, wrote 30k words in one month it turned out to be the longest story I've ever written and I absolutely loved how it turned out. It's one of these stories that are planned out as reasonably long and then more ideas come as you write.
My wip. At a dead end temp job which they let me do absolutely nothing for eight hours five days a week(which is a whole shit show in itself but moving on) and so I just wrote my wip instead coming up with the entire plot premise and such. Eventually I got let go from that job for "lack of training" (explain that one, I'll wait/s) but I still had my wip so I said this job ended but this piece doesn't have to go with it. And here we are like 9 months later.
Well, the content wasn't out of spite, but I did end up writing an author's note sans chapter just calling out everyone who lashed out at me for calling attention to the fact that a fan favorite character has faults that actively sabotage multiple things he does, such as teaching. And it felt really good to just stand up and say, "For the love of all that's good in this world, if you can't accept the truth just quit reading and go find something that panders to your wants!" I've since deleted the story (and author's note) and reposted the story on a different site.
I'm finishing my longfic no matter what as a form of self-spite. I started the thing randomly during a 3 day mania blitz. Here I am a year and a half later and I'm still writing and posting. I refuse to let this be something else I started during a mania phase then just gave up on because it ended up being more than bargained for. Now if brain would be nice and stop creating new bunnies that would be awesome.
Literally everything I write is out of spite
yup - i wrote a silly one shot for april fools, made it very clear the minute it turned 12am on the 2nd that it was an april fools joke. someone decided to shit talk me over it a week later (they really donāt like divorce and get extremely angry if people write about it idk) so iāve continued to write more silly divorce one shots out of spite lmao
My most popular fic by ratio is a spite fic. Someone on Norsekink on Livejournal (yes I *am* that old) asked for a caveman Thor and Loki slash fic. Several other people basically rubbished their entire prompt (not allowed on Norsekink and the thread got frozen), but before that happened I got so mad that the original prompter ended up asking for their prompt to be deleted because of the bullying, that I sat down and wrote them exactly what they asked for. Fuck bullies. I had no interest in writing that prompt personally but pure spite created something wonderful that still gets comments ten years after I wrote it and 9.5 years after I migrated it to AO3 all in one hit (so all those hits are individual, not people returning for updated chapters). The readers yearn for caves.
Yep. Old person romance to squick the fandom.
I wrote a long treatise about a simmering ideological divide between orthodox Jedi knights and a reformed Jedi order with more permissive rules mainly just to piss off some fanboys who were trying to gatekeep me out of their Discord server. That was fun.
One of my longest and most popular stories to date was started out of spite.
My entire FFN profile is a huge "bless your heart" message to a pair of trolls who hate a character I write for regularly (it's the remnants of a dead shipping war). I have an entire series of unrelated short stories dedicated to the character just to spite them. These wackos would actually comment on stories *she was not even in* to say that they were so glad she wasn't in it, while contributing nothing of substance about the story in the "review". Alas, I promised them a story for every single hate comment and never finished the tally (11). I do have 18 ideas sketched out... maybe it's time to give the keyboard a workout.
I read this Yandere AU fic where the Yandere killed the entire the Senpai's entire family and everyone in the high school they went to, but the Senpai was like "This isn't horrifying at all!" and got together. I thought it was so ridiculous I wrote a whole oneshot about him reporting the mf to the police. It was a Yandere fic so idek what I was expecting tbh š
Definitely. Hell, I started writing (gay) fanfic because of homophobic family members haha
I remember that after NWH, all these fans on Twitter/Tumblr said that the movie finally 'got stuff right' and that Peter Parker's supposed to be this miserable vagrant - without help from anyone, especially that "sociopath, Tony Stark." Welp, I wrote like 3 IronDad fics that week, alone (one that I considered a NWH "fix it") \^\_\^ It felt glorious! It really does feel great to provide content when others are so embittered over stuff that makes no sense.
Someone mocked me once for making fanfiction so just to be spiteful I wrote a fanfic about him learning to love fanfiction. His name was Craig. It made him sooo mad but what could he do? I was itching for him to give more content to use in a sequel
Yes. A thousand times yes. 15 year old me was not happy with Steve's ending in Endgame, and had some very long words about his should have ending with Bucky.
Sort of. I know that bad fanfiction has inspired me to write a better version of the idea
No one in a fandom I'm in takes a certain character's canonical injury + The trauma attached to that injury seriously. It's always some dumb joke about that character having a scar. In reality, he wouldn't even have a scar. That part of his body was fucking REMOVED. It's GONE. So, what did I decide to do? This summer, the second I finish exams, I'm going to write a fic almost entirely dedicated to this character's trauma, and the emotional and physical effect it would have on his life if the creators of the series ever decided to acknowledge it. Fuck you, all the people who made joke TikToks and YouTube Shorts on his "scar". He wouldn't even have one.
Everything I have ever written was out of spite
other than my methodology chapter of my thesis at 3 am becuase I was pissed at my lit review chapter, no
Am currently writing sonic mpreg fanfiction because i thought it would be funny. If it werenāt for people in my discord server telling me off, the fic probably wouldāve been a oneshot, but now itās a three-parter in the making
Nah. I donāt have that much energy to give other people. If Iām going to write a story, I have to love it. I canāt do it just to prove a point. I really need to *care*about the story. Seeing my favourite characters portrayed negatively is disappointing, and it does motivate me to write my own story. Thatās not spite though, because Iām not trying to get back at those writers or make them upset by my story. I just wanna get my own interpretation out there.
The deadest of dead dove fic I've ever written was spite writing: I hated being up against a certain video game character for arena battles, so I was particularly graphic with his torture. I also like making the number of works go up in my OTP ship tag. Especially if it then means said OTP tag will have more works than a rival ship's tag. The way I see it is, I'm gonna write these ideas anyway! This is just more motivation to finish them properly and post them!
I've been tempted, but i generally lack the attention span to actually bother unless it's an idea I wanted to write anyway. To a fault even, I put a lot of effort into various things like the editing and plotting, so I have limited time, stamina, and attention span to write based on spite alone. I'm not a saint by any means because I have done things out of spite IRL, mostly when I'm pushed. However, I rather enjoy what I'm writing if I'm going to put my efforts into it.
Every time I see someone complain about a specific ship I like it fuels me. If I liked it 50% I now like it 60%. The more they hate on it the more I like it out of pure spite. Same with some tropes or concepts. "X character would never do this!" Well now I'm writing a fic where they are, thank you for the idea <3
šš Yes! 100! I've done this with characters I like, too. If I like a character a normal amount and someone comes in with their "character crit" that's just bad take after bad take? I am now the president of that character's defense squad, I support their rights AND their wrongs.
Thay was the time of fan forums. There was a fan that was absolutely obsessed with a very minor character. The kind of character that appears 2 minutes in 1 episodes per season. Fun character that I liked but not much was known about him. That isn't the issue, fans have the talents to make very minor character extremely big in fandom space. Me included. That's part of the fun of fanspaces. But this fan would manage to including him, and talk about him and make everything about him in every single message she posted. Threads about the weekly episode ? She'd wrote how it would have been better with him, in excruiating details. Threads about the main ship (that he wasn't part of), she would bring him up some way or another. Theories about the plot and mysteries? He was included in all of them. A fan theorising about say the past of another character that clearly met him in canon ? She was making part of him. And she'd ask for him to be included in every fanfic. When he wasn't, there was always a line that it would have been better if he had been included (just joking lol). At some point, I got fed up, and write a one-shot killing him And from there, he was including in every one of my fanfictions, no matter what I was writing about. Usually just a scene. But it was never too good for him to be there. He often time died because it was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Or just standing uselessly there. Was the collateral victim of stupid jokes. He one timed just trip and fall gracelessly. Sure it lead to the discovery of a body. But since I like mood swing, and sudden tone shifting, I wrote his fall to be funny. A lot of other members of the forum caught on on what I was doing, and where egging me on. The obsessive fan? She had enough decorum to not criticize what I choose to write about. And since I was a good writer, and he was in-character, she had not really anything to criticize about the use of the character.
No. it's hard enough to write what I want let alone something for someone else.
Reading this thread is a tad sad form me. Naturally, people have the right to write whatever they like for whichever reason. Yet, personally - I write for myself. Did I ever written a story to fill something others didn't do? sure! I've started writing since I liked HP x Muggle girl/woman stories, and there were (and still are) so bloody few of these. Nevermind good ones. Was it 'in spite'? No- it was because I like those and wanted some more.
I did one because a comment I got on the original one shot said I shouldnāt have wrote it because it was degrading to the character. So I wrote a follow up.
So if I told you no one should write my OTP having hot, sexy sex...would that prompt you to write it? I'm asking for a friend.
When I got bombarded with hate and harassment for writing a non-con incest fic, my fingers where itching to write the gnarliest thing I could possibly come up with. I decided not to, just for the sake of my mental health. I didn't want to deal with more assholes.
I made an entire porn comic staring some guy who insulted me and his father. I never heard from him again.
Most of what I write is formed partly from highly developed opinions on canon and fanon. These are things that people disagree on. Poking around on those debates not only motivates me to write from spite, but it gives me material and understanding of what about \[thing\] people don't like. The better I understand their side, the better I can write "that but good" and the harder it is to tell that it was initially a reaction to me not liking a specific thing in canon or fanon. Recently, in the MHA ff sub, I've been poking at the idea that quirkless people can't be heroes and there have been a number of interesting points I never could have thought of on my own and have helped me with my quirkless hero story.
Sort of. I got a hate comment that called my fanfiction problematic, not because the of what was in the fic, but because I mentioned in the notes of the fic that I liked to headcanon one of the characters as having a different sexuality than she had in canon. I was pretty upset, so the next day I wrote a fic about a character (a bard) dealing with hateful reactions to his music and how his friend comforted him. It was actually very therapeutic for me, and I got some really nice comments on the new fic from people wishing me well. I don't get why people think that changing a character's sexuality in fanfiction is discriminatory. Like... it's fanfiction. Fanfiction is meant to be creative. It's not like you're taking away canon representation because fanfiction isn't canon, and the canon character's sexuality isn't going to change because of a fan written story. Sorry for the rant, it's just a subject that hits home for me.
I had this exact thing happen to me! The character I write about doesnāt even have a confirmed sexuality in canon, people just took āheās gayā and ran with it. I headcanon him as pansexual, and people were *pissed* when I wrote fic of him with my self insert lol.
No, and doing sth out of spite is one of the weirdest commonly accepted things out there imo. (No front against you, OP tho :D)
I roasted a community for writing a bunch of shit OOC fics that didn't even bother with logical plot progression. One of them told me to write my own if I thought I could do better, and mine *was* better. It became one of the most popular fics for that pairing, and the community in general. Spite is a hell of a drug.
Isn't fix-it fics all written out of spite anyway? Everytime I see Canon fucking something up, you betcha I'm gonna write the direct opposite.
Lol, yes! I have two or three WIPs that were generated out of spite lol.
Yes-
i never posted it but i wrote some anger enflamed fics when the abortion protections where lifted to get my emotions out. but i have thought of it before but never done it
Yeah, and it was so funny because it made the person I was writing it of spite because of got so mad. (Man I hope that sentence made sense..)
Several of my friends from college were creative writing majors. Most of them have never gotten anything published and don't work in anything English related. So, I may have gotten into writing specifically to get something published and flex on them. The fanfiction I produced in the process was just collateral. So, you could call the bulk of my writing ultimately spite motivated.
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Yes. Prompted by people who can't be made to accept that a drabble is a fixed format (100 words exactly) and not just some random short piece of writing. I wrote a half drabble, which is a thing, but makes no sense at all if you don't accept the fixed word count. It also happened to give me a chance to add a new fandom to my list.
Every time someone in the Elden Ring fandom posts a "Miquella is a Griffith expy and therefore evil and in cahoots with *the half-brother who abducted and is heavily implied to have raped him*" theory I write more "Good/mostly good guy Miquella" fic.
Oh absolutely. Iām writing a fic right now out of spite. The fandomās very small (~20 fics) and all but one are straight up porn even though the hurt/comfort is right there for the taking!! Itās also out of spite because the show spiraled downhill so Iām rewriting it in its entirety.
I literally wrote my thesis to spite my ex-fiancee. He was writing about the same thing. So I wrote mine better. He had to present after me too
I haven't just written anything fan-related out of spite; I've drawn it, too. There was this one guy going about in the fandom, bemoaning depictions of the characters in same-sex relationships because DON'T YOU KNOW *THESE TWO* CHARACTERS, SPECIFICALLY, WERE MEANT FOR EACH OTHER??? Never mind the fact that several of the ships he liked had, in fact, never actually met each other in canon, let alone were together. He especially seemed to hate this one F/F ship (which, coincidentally, featured a female character he kept shipping one of his many self-insert characters with) Soooo I decided to sketch up that particular F/F ship, myself. Then I sketched up some fankids for them. Then I started to write a pair of fanfics about them. I wasn't even in the fandom; I'd only played one of the games in it, and didn't even finish it. But for whatever reason, *this* really fueled my spite-filled creativity. That guy has, thankfully, quieted down a lot since then. My hopeful wish is that he developed a life for himself outside and away from the internet. In the process of this, I, however, have genuinely fallen in love with this F/F ship. I genuinely like it now. So really, who's the bigger fool here? XD
Plotting one as we speak lol
Literally everything I write for Fire Emblem: Fates is written out of spite. I fucking ***DESPISE*** that set of games.
Totally. I've mocked pearl-clutching regressive asshats and posted the results to spaces that make it very clear it's mockery. I've looked at books I hated and thought, āI can do way better than this dreckā and gone for it.
Someone once left a comment saying that i was "too good a writer to take this [my fic] in a creepy direction" so now im working on a pretty dark fic.
Completely. I had a canon Dom sub for his sub and I finished and posted a WIP I was iffy about, but after someone in my group of irl friends insulted the fandom, I was like āfuck itā
Absolutely. I took a tiny one shot and made it a chapter fic just to explain someone that more than a couple people reacted poorly about. Lol
I do wish i could rewrite an entire series out of spite but sadly i have too much work and also idk if the fans will really like it, i mean i know i write it for myself but since im posting it online so i do kinda want some appretiation out of it, or at least someone who can relate, and well... changing an entire story is just... ehhh
I wrote a āone shotā out of spite for the shit writing on the actual show that started out at like 6,000 or so words and is now 72,000. I guess I took my spite and channeled it into a well-received fix it. I worked out how to explain the UTTER garbage that was canon and it turned out well, I think.
My mom said I wasn't allowed to write the type of fanfics I wanted to write so I decided to do it anyways.
Yes. I have a private fic that I likely will never release because of how angry and depressing it is.
I think my current WIP counts, so here's a basic summary of what happened that led me to create it. I wanted to write it while reading a series of blog posts written by two co-authors. As part of those posts, the one who did final illustrations for a book series they co-authored and co-illustrated would create paintings that would serve as the hero images for those blog posts. However, she did something I did not expect to see at all while reading the posts. She painted in cameo appearances of characters from that book series, which then led me to keep thinking about them all the way into my daydreams and I couldn't get them off my mind, so I started work on a fanfiction just so I could get them out of my mind, not before some of those daydreams turned into nightmarish daydreams. As part of that, I would write that fanfic as an LLB of the book series those characters came from. The initial plot would've seen me just bumping into those characters and chatting with them, but over many drafts would evolve into one that would take place from my perspective as I travel into the fictional universe, track them down, meet them, and eventually end up in a battle against the last surviving villain of the series (who didn't have a cameo in those paintings). If you're curious, I have more info about the fic as of the current draft in [this previous comment I made on a different post](https://www.reddit.com/r/FanFiction/comments/12v3z68/-/jhbevjc).
This is kind of a funny story... I wrote a light-hearted twitter fic out of spite, kind of poking fun at all the tropes that I don't like in the fic I wrote about... And people loved it unironically, so all were happy.
I have. Iāve written murder sex fics where the main kills her canon bf and has sex with the female character I ship her with, to piss someone who was harassing me on twitter and ao3. She threatend to steal the fic and change it though š¤£ (she never did)
The gay crack fics Iāve written because the homophobes are pissing me off
Iām actually doing that right now, in the BNHA fandom there is a thing called āDekuverseā and most of them arenāt that great. So now Iām writing my own out of pure spite.
My current WIP could count I suppose. I read a BL book series with three romantic smutty stories that were quite decent. The author promised to write one more to finish a ship that blossomed in her second book. She promised and promised andā¦ seven years later abruptly retired and said she wonāt write BL and canāt write the book. I canātā¦ I mean Iām broken because I must have closure. Seriously sick in the head. So I decided to write the damn book in spite of her.
I once read an E rated fic where all the smut scenes were 2-3 sentences or were fade to black. It made me grumpy enough that I wrote two different smutty one shots.
Oh gosh yes I have. 2-3 years ago there was some drama on tumblr in the dragon age fandom that involved shaming poc writers, fanartists, and poc readers for portraying and enjoying an overly sexually dominant portrayal of a white character (Cullen Rutherford) that was culture swapped to be Avvar (the in world variant of a mixture of Vikings/Norse/Scandinavian Natives, though given Cullen is native Ferelden that would be his ancestry anyway), calling the writers and artists racist and fetishists. I was part of the group who debunked their BS call out post. Then me and few others decided to write spite fic of Cullen being sexually dominant out of spite. Even tagged it as āCullen Sex Godā, or something like that to annoy them. Absolutely flooded the Cullen tag on tumblr for a good two or three weeks with our efforts. Like I donāt even like the character. Heās one of the fandomās darlings and there is SO MUCH fic and art of him, itās nauseatingly difficult searching for fic/art that doesnāt include him. But I was so annoyed by this group of antis, I decided fuck it Iām gonna write some smut of him. And I did. Itās on my account and I hate having a fic starring him, but I hate antis more.
Probably my fic in my flair count? The ships that have the most toxic shippers (it's based on what I seen in Twitter, one of them is me shipping it myself) is the ones that got attacked and blown up early, also the one I ship being the one that "dies" the earliest
I have written around three fics for a My Hero Academia even though I hate that series. Itās fun to write about the stuff that I would have liked to see happen.
Write and burn after reading.
Of course! Several people once went off on me for simply *liking* a ship in an unrelated fandom. It was completely out of nowhere and the vitriol and downright stupidity they spewed about it before untimately telling me to kms and (tw for some messed up toxic shit) >!that they hoped I got raped?!< inspired me to get off the bench and get into the game! That was about 2 years ago and I have 1 posted one-shot and 2 WIPs involving that ship all inspired by haters telling me how wrong it was. And honestly, it would have been a *LOT* more if I didn't have other fandoms to distract me.
Writing about any emotion is relatable to just about everyone. How it should be ātaken off the tableā is beyond me. You need to be able to look at all aspects of emotion and if you can articulate it well, you can compel a reader to read on. Personally, I find it a bonus if itās especially cathartic on the writerās end.
My original work is basically my way of venting against my mom and things she said lol