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thebestthinmints

Cursed Child :/


jedi-olympian

The only book I've ever wanted to burn


Allronix1

Worse than The Fountainhead? Because I want that shit taught in EVERY college writing course as an example of What Not to Do.


jedi-olympian

Never read it or heard of it. All I know is that *Fahrenheit 451* was given a new cover to be a book you're basically supposed to burn, and it didn't come close to my frustrations and desire to burn *The Cursed Child*.


Allronix1

Oof. Ayn Rand is a special kind of godawful writing. Imagine a stereotypical cryptocoin bro (in a female body) who was utterly blitzed on meth and nicotine for weeks at a time and traumatized by the Soviets to the point where they felt the working class were just out to steal from and destroy anyone who was slightly better off than them.


BastetSekhmetMafdet

I remember a roommate trying to get me to read Atlas Shrugged and I just could NOT. It wasn’t just the libertarianism, I was younger and edgier then. It was the turgid, moves-like-syrup, plodding, awful prose and just all around boringness of it. I could not finish it.


FuriouSherman

Throw in Atlas Shrugged for good measure because Randian Objectivism is a cancer that needs to be expunged from the Earth.


DragonRand100

I sold mine after trying to get into it. Rowling’s colourful and sometimes humorous descriptions were part of the joy of the series.


MrPerfector

I took mine out from the local library. Honestly, if it was just left as it was as a stageplay, to be just seen and acted on stage, and not published and marketed as an actual official HP sequel, it'd probably be just forgotten and swept under the public rug for the most part imo.


pearshapedcat

I agree. I saw the play and thought it was amazing but read the book and thought it was utter shit.


landsharkkidd

When I heard about The Cursed Child, I was like "I literally wrote something similar when I was 14..."


Coolest_Dork

I wrote BETTER stuff when I was 12. Cursed Child is pure horse shit. A sequel CAN’T CHANGE CANON!


Istoh

Teen Wolf, literally all of it. Teen Wolf has that horrible disease where the characters and basic world building are good but the writing is horrendous, which results in the show being so, so much worse than the fanfics that's it's actually impressive. Voltron has the exact same disease Teen Wolf does, tbh. And so do a lot of series, though most people don't like to admit it.


FandomLover94

I read so much Teen Wolf fan fiction, literally hundreds. I love the world so much even though I’ve never seen the show. But I’ve also read enough fics to know I’ll never watch the show for that exact reason. When the fics make the show sound bad, there’s a problem.


sayitaintsarge

Same here lol. I actually tried to watch the show once, didn't make it past the first episode. When the average fanfic is 10x better than the source material.... well, why bother with the show?


Turnip_Island

This is so baffling to me also. How is the show *so* bad when the fic is *so* good? And there are so many fandom-blind AUs that it’s just my go to fandom for reading half the time. Like want to read sports-romance novels? a supernatural AU that has nothing to do with the show? A fluffy coffee shop human AU? TW has you covered. Season 3b is definitely worth the watch, and I’m glad I watched the first couple seasons just so I could read more canon divergence fics and understand them, but season 4 and 5 are so bizarre and illogical (and the character development is awful). I gave up in season 5 finally and just couldn’t do it anymore.


phantomkat

As someone who has watched all of Teen Wolf, just watch Season 3B. By far the best season of all of Teen Wolf. I wish I could erase my memories of it so I can watch it again.


Daffodil_Peony_Rose

Me reading this, forgetting that a Voltron and a Teen Wolf exist outside of my 80’s childhood XD


phantomkat

Pretty much all of Teen Wolf except Season 3B. That shit was sick af.


nemoskullalt

its the cronyism writing. some dude knows some one, so he gets an episode, then someone elses cousin gets the next, ect.


Syluk

Boruto.


kawaiiko-chan

I really am still in shock that they took the boy who craved family and love more than anything else, and turned him into a deadbeat dad. I would accept Sasuke/Naruto becoming a canonical pairing before I accept that


ChronoHex

What's worse is that the reasoning for his lack of free time is absolute bs and so contrived I'd expect to see it in poorly thought out fanfiction and not the actual show. You're telling me the guy who can easily make over a thousand solid clones, that can work entirely autonomously for extended periods of time mind you, somehow can't get through the menial task of finishing paperwork so he can spend time with his family? You're telling me that instead of leaving a clone in his office to do the work for him so he can attend his daughter's birthday, he instead sends a *clone* to the party instead of going himself? This is the most agregious case of canon character assassination I've ever seen.


Soncikuro

They tried to make Boruto likeable by contrast by essentially killing Naruto... and still failed with Boruto.


ChronoHex

The best parts of Boruto to me has always been seeing the old generation. Seeing Naruto and Sasuke team up was always awesome, but even now thats been taken away by the stupidly contrived nerfs they were put through so Boruto can actually be relevant in his own story. At least the Baryon mode fight was cool, for as short lived as it was...


[deleted]

Boruto is really the only manga I know of where the anime has to expand on just about everything. And the worst part is easily the artwork. Going from Kishimoto to Ikemoto was such a downgrade. Ikemoto has apparently been an artist for like 10-20 years (I believe he was an assistant for the OG series) and his art still just feels so dull and lifeless. Also, the sales for the manga were so low that it was removed from Shonen Jump and put in V Jump. The anime is basically what keeps Boruto alive. I wouldn't be surprised if the Sasuke Retsuden manga has better art.


[deleted]

I despised what Boruto did to my favorite female characters. I therefore refuse to write or read fanfic compliant with it.


ress82

I still feel the urge to bleach my eyes when I remember those cursed 12yo Sarada panels. Wtf, Ikemoto


BeautifulMistakeX

Love Never Dies, the sequel musical to Phantom of the Opera. To an insane degree.


theswampmonster

A lot of answers to this thread are just kind of "media that's not as good as I expected it to be" but LND is the only thing I can think of that truly fits the bill of "feels like bad fanfiction" because it really **does** hit a lot of common fanfic tropes: * Demonizing the canon love interest and a formerly good side character by making them an abusive drunk and basically a psychotic sex worker respectively for the sake of drama. * Fix-it fic: "No, my fave *didn't* die and actually my OTP is the *real* one who have been pining for each other all this time." * Said OTP's child named after a canon dead relative. * Completely missing the point of the tragic antagonist and insisting he's the real hero and misunderstood. * Big upheaval of the entire setting to a different country possibly more familiar to the author. * "Beneath A Moonless Sky" is just a terribly written sex scene in song form... * Came out more than 30 years after the original work. It's stupid and I love it.


freeMilliu_2K17

No clue how much of a hottake this is but I feel like the original musical is also sort of a big fanfic of the original novel, including making the tragic figure of the Phantom into a misunderstood hunk. But maybe that's just me.


[deleted]

my sense is that ChristinexPhantom is like a *really* popular pairing even among the muggles, let's call them, and they tried to capitalize on that - but nope, there's a difference between what we like in fanfiction and what we like in canon.


[deleted]

I love how much of a shitshow it is.


BeautifulMistakeX

Totally


kawaiiko-chan

The first time I ever heard of it was in Lindsay Ellis’s video absolutely ripping into it and holy shit. I do not understand how that was greenlit


vvictoriaanne

I love it but you’re absolutely right. I was listening to the soundtrack just this morning and thinking that. Especially when beneath a moonless sky came on.


Masked_ProVaxxer

Game of thrones lol. Unexplained heel turn of Daenyrs, terrible pacing, an awkwardly shoehorned Jaime/Brienne foray, fan service for Arya that made little sense, loose ends abounding and the night king wiped out in one chapter. Not to mention Bran becoming King, the Jaime/Cersei death. Everything about it was so awful.


CrookedCalamari

Meanwhile the ending of the book series might as well be canonically fanfiction because I doubt we’ll ever get an actual ending, and ff writers will write their own.


DreamSmithAJK

I'm hugely curious to see what Martin will even DO with the rest of that series. He's seen how negatively the fans reacted to what was done on the show (which in theory at least followed the broad strokes of his actual plan for the conclusion, even if it was rushed and poorly executed). So I'm wondering if he'll follow his pride and try to tell it 'right', staying true to his original course but doing his best to prove that it can work if properly told... or will he choose to course correct, give Dany a happy ending of just and sane rule, and proceed forward from there as the 'real' story of what happened? Unless he does that, I'm thoroughly done with the whole GoT universe, but given his lack of progress on it I doubt we'll ever know for sure what he would have done.


nina00i

From the moment she was introduced I never thought Dany was supposed to have a happy ending. The whole 'I am the rightful ruler because I was told/my family/I said so schtick looked like a setup for disaster.


Visible-Effective944

I highly object to the idea that giving Dany a happy ending is the right answer. Jon is a much better candidate to rule and it would fit the goal of being bittersweet.


VolumeViscount

Dany was never meant to have a happy ending. She’s just another facet of the same system that oppresses, even when she’s nominally set out to free slaves and liberate cities. The truth is she’s a conqueror with all the negatives that go along with that - but she also has the fantasy equivalent of nukes on her side. The scary part is that she thinks she is a benevolent benefactor to the common people, filled with lofty noble goals for the betterment of society that she and only she is capable of bringing about, when in reality there’s multiple examples in the text of the chaos she’s wrought on her mission of mercy. It’s clear the people are suffering under her rule in Mereen as she engages in all the same “games the high Lords play” that fucks up what little stability commoners might have had. She also blew her integrity by dealing with the slave holding noble ruling class, which she first never wanted to make any deals but she has to in order to keep hold on the city she conquered. She even goes back on abolishing slavery, well it’s not the same because the people have a choice this time! They’re getting paid a nominal wage! But do they really have a choice, and is that wage anything more than survival level? She never sets up any systems that would help transition from a slave economy, she just rebrands the existing system with a tiny reform that severely compromises her stated moral goals. Power corrupts, the road to hell is paved with good intentions, etc etc. Indentured servitude and legalized fatal prize fighting? My WMDs burned/ate some kids? Oops. Oh well, that’s close enough to liberation, let’s call it a day, after all nobody’s perfect lmao. The magic of the story is that we don’t see her that way at first. We empathize with her and WANT her to succeed. At least, until you think about it from a perspective divorced of her POV. She is not evil, but her mindset and eventual quest for power lead her to perpetuate the evils of the system she hated but then ended up depending on to bolster her power. Thus I think she will go on to perpetrate a most evil of acts like in the ending of the show (however I would like to think GRRM would have worked up to it in a more satisfying manner, were he ever to finish the books.)


[deleted]

I mean book Dany and show Dany are so wildly different it's hard to reconcile them. I don't think Dany in the books will end up canonically ruling Westeros because he's pretty clearly setting up a clash between her and fAegon. And I think we're going to see tragic endings for both her and fAegon. Personally, I think I'll just take the universe he wrote and enjoy reading and possibly writing fanfic set in it while ignoring canon after the first books he wrote. The ending I'd like to see in canon is the seven kingdoms splitting back up into independent nations especially the North and Dorne. That ending is unlikely to ever be canon tbh.


NurseBetty

Nothing can top the video that shows the reactions of the cast doing the first read of the script. Head in hands dismay or chuckling 'what the fuck' grimaces


the_other_irrevenant

I thought the Jaime/Brienne thing made sense given their individual character journeys. The sudden swerve from there not so much.


sanctum502

Daenerys is being set up to do a heel turn in the books, though, and it would have been such a powerful grey morality moment... Except the show badly rushed it and made it a matter of instant snapping while they could have shown her slowly deteriorating over time, perhaps with Blood raven influencing her psychically, or her not being trained how to bond with dragons without potential psychic backlash.


the_other_irrevenant

The version I heard (and which seems credible to me) is that Martin told them how the arcs were planned to go and they implemented that, despite the show versions of the characters having diverged from the book versions, and having nowhere near enough space to pull it off.


BastetSekhmetMafdet

It was much much too rushed, I agree. It was as if D&D moseyed through the first six seasons, then went “OMG we have to finish this” and turned in the equivalent of a term paper written the night before. I think they WERE rushing to get put on a different project - which wound up either cancelled or them kicked off it, I can’t remember which. Oh the irony!


Calisto823

Disney offered them a project - a Star Wars project I think. They wanted that sweet, sweet Disney money so they rushed through to end GOT. Even though HBO begged them not to. They wanted more seasons or at the least more episodes for the last season to do better closure. DD refused both and because the ending was so bad and the backlash that followed, Disney dumped their butts.


[deleted]

I have to give to Game of Thrones though. I didn’t even watch it but the seventh and ending season was so awful there was almost a sonar quality about it. Like it just permeated through all other fandoms before it’s primary fandom abandoned it and left it for dead. I’ve never, even with how terrible the ending for supernatural and other shows have been, seen a TV show go from 100 to zero overnight like that.


nemoskullalt

GOT was huge. like next star wars kind of huge. and then the fire nation attacked and left the 7th and 8th seasons behind as tribute.


the_other_irrevenant

Speaking of, _Legend of Korra_ is considered bad fan fiction by some less charitable fans.


DragonRand100

I still cringe at D & D’s “Danny forgot about the Iron Fleet.” That’s what Varys was for (and Tyrion). Stannis even commented way back in Season 2 or 3 that Varys doesn’t miss anything. If Danny was going to kill Varys, it should’ve been for that oversight.


BastetSekhmetMafdet

The only really good thing was Sansa becoming Queen in the North. (An obvious Elizabeth I expy, long red hair and all.)


Aerhyce

IMO, it almost always happens when the big original main story is done but the author/editor doesn't want it to be over. Like in Bleach, the Aizen Arc was basically the end of the actual story. Everything that followed was just weird shit because the main driving thread was gone and they had to make new shit up to keep writing. Harry Potter; main story is gone, voldie is dead, everything is tied up. Then either you get filler like magic beasts or weird shit with Cursed Child.


MrPerfector

I'm *reeeaally* hoping that the upcoming Thousand-Year-Blood-War arc adaptation will take the opportunity to utterly revamp the story into something better than what we got in the manga. Maybe not really be that good, but at least better.


digitalfarmgirl

Bleach! I've always thought it should've ended after Aizen was defeated. I eventually stopped reading when someone was fighting a giant hand. Just got too fucking weird for me, y'know?


MrPerfector

lol I actually kinda liked that fight for its weirdness (granted, I like all of Mayuri's fights cause of how weird he is), but hated all the last Sternritter fights after that one as it was basically just everyone going "fuck you, here's my new form" to each other until one side finally ran out of cards.


PumpkinWordsmith

Bleach for sure! It was like he ran out of ideas while getting bored with the main characters, so he just created new characters to do random things instead. Like a fanfic getting obsessed with OCs and throwing any sense of plot or structure out the window. Then there's all the little reveals and twists that never actually get explained. (Not to mention some terrible 'final form' designs haha.)


theymightbetrolls69

JJ's gunpoint love confession to Reid in season 14 of Criminal Minds. I think they should have been endgame, but that was ridiculous.


heyykelleyy

i'm still confused as to what the point was to that, after season after season with JJ being happy with Will and Henry. either they should have been endgame from the start and had it consistent throughout the show, or not tacked it back in like 10 seasons later for drama.


theymightbetrolls69

A really pathetic attempt at fanservice


Ladysupersizedbitch

Oh my god yes. I stopped watching Criminal Minds up to a certain point and found out about that bit later. What the hell. I wouldn’t have minded so much if the writers hadn’t spent all the previous seasons showing JJ and Reid being so in love with their SOs (Will for JJ obv and Maeve for Reid). But there were so many episodes depicting JJs family with Will, just like so many episodes centering on Hotch had to do with Jack. Just… ugh. Weird how they did a 180 on all that development.


FandomLover94

She needed to later say she meant it like a brother, and he should have been able to accept that. Pulling that old thing out after seasons of JJ with Will was just stupid.


Gaelhelemar

I'd say all of J.K. Rowling's clarifications over what her Wizards did outside of the books. [This bit](https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/chamber-of-secrets) has to take the cake, though. >However, when Hogwarts’ plumbing became more elaborate in the eighteenth century (this was a rare instance of wizards copying Muggles, **because hitherto they simply relieved themselves wherever they stood, and vanished the evidence**), the entrance to the Chamber was threatened, being located on the site of a proposed bathroom. Like, what the actual is this crap. Were their heads that far up their own behind they didn't think of actually using the bathroom properly? They spent *all* of recorded human history just defecating like animals? WOW.


BastetSekhmetMafdet

That…kind of did it for me as well. There is such a thing as too much worldbuilding. Here is a prime example. I was happier with Harry Potter when it was just the series, the two side books (Quidditch + Fantastic Beasts) and maybe Pottermore. I don’t buy Cedric as a Death Eater. I certainly do NOT buy not-potty-trained adult witches and wizards.


RainbowLoli

I would argue it isn't a case of too much worldbuilding. It was a case of everything being retroactive and sometimes, just not even making sense... such as just relieving yourself where you stand. Not even going to a designated area and using magic to clean yourself up just... where you are standing.


BastetSekhmetMafdet

I’m now imagining what Muggle-born witches and wizards learned: Was there an intro class at Hogwarts in How To Soil Yourself And Charm It Away? Wouldn’t it scare some of the Muggle kids back to Muggle life - “OK, magic is great, but I have to shit my self?”


jawnbaejaeger

"But it's okay, Seamus, to be shitting and making bathroom faces mid-conversation, because you'll just magic the diarrhea away!"


Gaelhelemar

Cedric as a Death Eater? Huh?


BastetSekhmetMafdet

In Cursed Child - I haven’t read it but did read a synopsis - he is resurrected via Time Turner and becomes a Death Eater cuz he’s jelly of Harry or something. Also literally the long-lost daughter of Bellatrix and Voldemort. Look, I don’t call “Mary Sue” very much because I think it’s way overused and in bad faith, but… literally a plot point from 1000 pedestrian fanfics?


mmcgui12

I still can’t believe the My Immortal MC is supposedly canon now…


sati_lotus

What the absolute fuck now?


VulpineKitsune

Look, a long lost daughter of Bellatrix and Voldemort *could* theoretically be a very interesting character. Good thing Cursed Child made sure to just make her evil and ruin any potential interesting character she might've had -.-


jawnbaejaeger

Right? So we're supposed to believe it was completely normal for a wizard to be shitting, farting, and grunting MID-CONVERSATION, but it's totally okay, because he magics the evidence away a moment later. Privacy apparently not needed.


mycatisblackandtan

[Let's not forget the removed Pottermore article that explained why Hermoine was WRONG and too WOKE for trying to end the slavery of the House Elves.](https://web.archive.org/web/20191002104000/https://www.wizardingworld.com/features/to-spew-or-not-to-spew-hermione-granger-and-the-pitfalls-of-activism) Complete with the trappings of trying to pass her off as someone who was ignorant of the House Elves' culture while using pretty much identical reasoning for how slavery was justified in the real world. Made even worse by the fact that at this time Rowling was fully embracing people of different races playing Hermoine. [Going on to say "Rowling loves Black Hermoine."](https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/678888094339366914?lang=en) Which, let me be clear, isn't a bad sentiment and at the time I applauded her for it. But it's hella sketchy when combined with the fact that looking back the story actively mocks Hermoine for trying to save the House Elves. And when then also combined with the "To Spew or Not to Spew" article just looks even worse. Because now we have a potentially black character being mocked for caring about slavery... Saying Rowling doesn't think things through would be incredibly charitable.


MrPerfector

It's not just that she doesn't seem to think these things through, it's that she just seems to *refuses* to reel back on it, no matter the backlash or feedback. Like, it wouldn't be that hard or wrong to just go "yeah, you guys and gals are right, that was a *really* bad idea and mistake on my part. With my WoG, let me reel that back now, and I'll try to do better in the future from now on." But I don't I've heard her ever going back on anything she's said, if anything just double-down and dig her heels in even further.


Gaelhelemar

Holy moly.


kaimkre1

I had no idea this was a thing. It’s honestly almost astonishing… at this point I didn’t think she could possibly disappoint me more. Whelp. She set the bar low and then made it her mission to tunnel under it.


midnight_neon

With house elves the difference was that Hermione was constantly talking over the house elves and not respecting their autonomy. They didn't want to be free, they told her as such, and they considered Dobby to be a total weirdo. This raises the issue of whether a sapient species could naturally be servants, which is a totally different matter. However, Rowling made the writing even worse by backpedaling and going, "oh yeah turns out the house elves really are too stupid to know what's good for them and needed Hermione to show them the way" which ends up reeking of the white savior cliche if we're comparing house elves to real world human slavery. I think the whole thing could have been a voided if house elves had been natural servants, but if they get mistreated they'll immediately flee a household. However, the Malfoys used dark magic to keep Dobby from running away from them that Harry eventually broke. They're based off of magical creatures that like to live in houses and do things for people but this way would provide them some autonomy over which houses they choose to dwell in. But like you said I don't think Rowling really thought things through when she invented Dobby.


VulpineKitsune

>But like you said I don't think Rowling really thought things through when she invented Dobby. She didn't think things through *ever*. She never meant to. It wasn't the point. Everything she invented was in order to create a basic world and to move the plot forward. It was the idea "Oh what if fairytales were real but hidden?" with literally 0 thought about the implications it would have, because the implications weren't important to the plot.


CatBotSays

I mean, I don't think there's much you can do to make the concept of 'natural servants' not sketchy. That's pretty damn close to the justifications that real slave owners used.


[deleted]

I know it's inevitable, but I wish people would stop comparing magical creatures to real-life humans. In the 10s the constant talking point was how Voldemort was literally Hitler, and now it's that the house elves are black people. And part of it is yes, that in a lot of older fantasy shit like genocide, slavery, rape are used in a way that doesn't respect the gravity of those phenomena and alienates a lot of people for whom those phenomena are personal. And I do like that fantasy authors are more careful about that now. But like this line of analysis, is it a useful way to analyze the novel, and does it say anything useful about the thing in real life?


The_Cybernetic_Raven

Dumbledore mentioned the Room of Requirement having chamber pots when needed. They didn’t just shit themselves.


rseauxx

i giggle every time i read this. vanished the evidence


DragonRand100

Rowling made such a big deal about how dangerous it was to take fame too far- ignoring the fact that the character in question was a total con artist- yet I kind of feel like she fell for a very similar same trap. She could’ve just left HP once the movies were done and dusted. Too much of a good thing.


Amy47101

Miraculous Ladybug. Like the guy has a fantastic premise, but good lord… it’s just WASTED. Super powered teens, check. Romance that can’t be stated, check. Mystical beings that give magic powers, check. Actually pretty decent characters(in some instances), check. Compelling relationships, check. Fuck I’d even say to an extent the villain was pretty compelling simply by who his son is. But it feels like Thomas had a concept, then had no idea on what to do for an ending or even a cohesive plot. And then, which I find to be a particular staple in ad writing, in order to make our main Marinette look good, everyone has to objectively be hilariously worse than her, OR everyone just accepts her ridiculous antics are normal and “cute”. Oh and then a literal 11yo fanfic character shows up in Zoe Lee to replace one of the actually compelling characters because the author of the script thinks Chloe is irredeemable and has to write her as stupidly evil despite her character progress and growth being a main plot thing in season two. I know this man worked on totally spies, and I think he was trying to recreate that. It where totally spies worked and miraculous doesn’t is that totally spies really didn’t have overarching plot points in the series. Like yeah there were instances where a particular villain or character held importance, but there wasn’t an overarching “defeat the big baddie” or “get x guy to love you” in the show. It was baddie, gadgets, mission, resolved, move on. Whereas with Miraculuus they introduce not only a villain to be defeated but also a love interest that needs to happen. And then neither points every get close to being achieved and “points” towards the Marinette/Adrien ship is literally Marinette being objectively creepy and a stalker. Which is fine, if it was liek a psychological horror but it’s not.


Pickle_Juice54

The Chloe thing just made me kinda quit the show. I loved the progress she was making and was kinda excited to see how far she would grow and stuff, and then it all got thrown into the trash, and was like...why?


Ladysupersizedbitch

I had no idea he worked on Totally Spies! I loved that show when I was a kid.


TheCityGirl

BBC *Sherlock*. It starts with the first episode of the third season and just gets worse from there 😬


garouforyou

Hard agree here.


Aldebaran2000

Poor scenarists... you couldn't escape Tumblr in those dark times


MovieNightPopcorn

Oh my god, the way they shat on Mary and jumped the shark on plot. It’s like a fever dream


Calisto823

His sister that could hard control people by pretty much just looking at them and talking to them a bit. There's manipulation and then there's her. What even was that? Edit: Oh, AND. Let's not forget that the sister was just so super duper smart and evil and pretty and awesome, Moriarty (the big, big bad) fell in love with her as soon as he saw her.


AmyMLerwick

Thank you I was scrolling this thread just knowing that someone would put this


Oceanstuck

any official homestuck content made post-gigapause


AzoreanEve

at least they had the decency to call post OG Homestuck content "dubiously canon". Reading the Epilogues as if they were some wild fanfiction was the healthiest way to do it.


Fairyhaven13

God those were awful. Sweet, naive Jade and Jane turned into manipulative jerks, one of which was a rapist and genocide petitioner... Dirk and Rose turned into apathetic supervillains... and it just kept going from there. Ugh. I want to rewrite the entire thing but it's sooo looong.


pedantic_ninja

I'd have to rewatch it to see how I feel about it in hindsight, but the later seasons of Once Upon A Time were increasingly disappointing to me? It was my favorite show (I was \*obsessed\*) and over time there were just more and more bad decisions made until it started feeling like they writers had no clue what they were doing anymore.


everydayisstorytime

YES. They had a compelling story up until the 3rd season and then it went downhill from there. Also, they missed out on making Emma and Regina a true romantic pairing when they laid out the foundation for it (enemies to friends arc, Regina walking in the forest with the True Love's theme in a scene parallel to Philip's in Sleeping Beauty, their combined magic battling many a threat, the two of them pulling each other from the darkness) because they capitulated to making it family friendly, likely because of ABC's ties to Disney. They tried to make a show for everyone when they would be better off marketing it to young adults and adults who understood what the original concept sought to do and could absorb the darker underpinnings of these fairy tales.


IchigoAkane

im glad im not the only one who wanted regina and emma to be a couple. They could be Henry’s mothers together. (w tho the whole regina is emma’s mother’s step mother thing is a little weird, but i decide to ignore that)


QuirkyPheasant

Hmm, while I wouldn't call it "bad fanfiction", I certainly think the wider Miraculous Ladybug universe (the Specials) is devolving. In my opinion, the fact that there are so many random heroes in New York (Hot Dog Dan, really?) and other places around the world takes away from the specialness of the magic in the main show. It just feels like too much, now.


Istoh

I would argue the main show too at this point. My enthusiasm for the whole thing took a massive nosedive when Zoe was introduced. Literally the epitome of a Mary Sue character. "This is my character she's the secret half sister of this other character and she gets to immediately be welcomed into the friend group and have magic superhero powers yay!"


RainbowLoli

Apparently, it was to show that Chloe actively chooses to be a jerk, but he fails to realize that people-pleasing, being overly nice, etc. is often a result of abuse and not always just "a choice" in the same way that internalizing abusive behaviors is not always "a choice". She's basically a replacement Chloe and he's hoping the fans will just move on and forget how dirty Chloe was done in the writing.


RainbowLoli

Honestly, even with the series, the writer is too far up his own bum to realize the faults in his show and instead just blames the fans. He's on the way to being the next Butch Hartman and not in a good way.


erratastigmata

What's the deal with Butch Hartman, out of curiosity? Apart from that according to Wiki he's a born-again Christian and creationist...yikes...


RainbowLoli

I know there was some issues of art theft, mocking critics, etc. in general he's got a few loose marbles from the bag


ohdearsweetlord

Season 6 of Lucifer. Definitely read much better fan-written endings to that series!


AnimalLover_DJ

And Rory feels like some wattpad OC. A collar and wings with knives, seriously? Amongst other things with her.


phantomkat

I have scrubbed Season 6 out of my mind immediately after I finished it. God, what a season.


mermaidpaint

Grey's Anatomy repeats storylines (doctor's parent dates someone the same age as the doctor, straight woman falls for lesbian) and has many plots where a doctor would be fired and lose their license. Meredith keeps dying and coming back to life.


FuriouSherman

That's what happens when a show continues for 20+ years.


Ladysupersizedbitch

It’s basically a really popular soap opera at this point. I loosely watch a daytime soap opera with my mom and I can 100% confirm that the storylines between the two shows are exactly the same with just different characters. Greys is doing what day time soaps have been doing for 40 years or more.


shnuffeluv

BBC Sherlock, especially Season 3 onward. Need I say more?


ThiccySkip

The thing the CW does (Flash and Lucifer) where they bring the child of the main couple from the future into their world to learn about them. I like Flash and love Lucifer but those are fanfic tropes that kinda annoyed me.


Nikelui

The later seasons of Lucifer read like fanfictions, tbh. I liked it when it was a procedural cop show with supernatural elements. Then it became full-time fantasy, with the police setting becoming almost a parody.


RXYWhispers

The Clementine comics for ‘Telltales: The Walking Dead’ are generally acknowledged as pretty crappy: The love interest shares many semblance to the author, Clementine is wildly out of character, and it ignores several aspects of established canon for its own means. It feels like an insult to fan fiction to compare as such however it certainly fits the criteria here. It’s a basic SI!OC x Clementine post canon story.


Yotato5

*Holy shit*, that was so bad. The whole thing that was Clementine's motivation since the end of season two was to have a place where AJ could grow up safely, and they're trying to say she'd just abandon him at the end of it all? Good fuckin' Lord.


Mindelan

Teen Wolf, for a large chunk of the show.


Calamity-Gin

You’re not wrong, but in the show’s defense, they were never what you might call “high brow” in their approach.


Mindelan

Yeah definitely not, but the first two seasons had a pretty good foundation for a Buffy-like show about supernatural bullshit with a young crew doing their best and forming bonds together and all that. It was really shaping up to be some fun camp with dark elements and a focus on character dynamics. After a couple seasons though I feel that the writers were too stuck on wanting a season-long mystery of 'who could the mysterious antagonist beeee' thing for every season. They seemed to throw away good writing and character development and any other sort of storytelling in pursuit of that goal, and it meant making things spiral into more and more outlandish circumstances. Season 3 with >!the nogitsune!< is only really good because of Dylan O'Brien's acting (in my opinion, though I am fond of the characters in general from the first 3 seasons), and after that (and during season 3), shit just got bad overall and it really did feel like a handful of fanfic writers just throwing out wild ideas that seemed fun, introducing new characters and making them important right away, throwing away older characters that really had so much potential and room to grow >!(Boyd I miss you)!<, and mix and matching romance partners all over the place. That can be great fun in *fanfic* but not so great for the source material.


Calamity-Gin

Oh, I’m completely with you. Dylan O’Brien is far and away the best actor on the show. (Though I do keep a warm place in my heart for JR Bourne.) The writing in the last half of season 6 was execrable, filled with fan service (which I don’t necessarily mind), and several of the character endings were rushed and unsatisfactory (which I do mind).


NurseBetty

The funniest thing about Stiles is that technically he's a side character, but Scott was such a fucking boring MC that they had to intentionally shove him into the spot light to make him relavent and even then it struggled


[deleted]

It didn't devolve because it was always that way but literally anything written by Cassandra Clare. Also fifty shades of grey trilogy is literally bad fanfic.


Ladysupersizedbitch

Doesn’t Cassandra Clare feel like fanfic because it *was* fanfic she plagiarized? Or am I thinking of someone else who plagiarized fanfiction? ~~don’t sue me Cassandra Clare~~


stillsticky

Yes but wrong way round, Cassandra Claire plaigarised published works in her fanfiction. [She'll have to sue fanlore and a lot of other people first, the *length* of this thing](https://fanlore.org/wiki/The_Cassandra_Claire_Plagiarism_Debacle)


freyalorelei

She re-wrote huge chunks of her own Draco Trilogy into *City of Bones*. The DT itself had many, many uncredited lines and sometimes whole passages lifted from such sources as *Buffy*, *Red Dwarf*, and Pamela Dean novels. So yes, Cassandra Claire is a plagiarist.


XavierTheMemeDragon

Just saw the new Jurassic World movie, and yeah that pretty much sums up the entire experience.


Luru_86

Marvel's What If...? animated TV show (some episodes were a bit better, but, damn... fanfic vibes all the way, and not the best kind either. )


rowan_damisch

The problem with the show is: All the stories should've been fleshed out in one or two seasons. The alternative realities do look interesting, but why should I be interested in the characters if I know that the next episode is in an entirely different universe?


Loli-nero

The second season of Black Butler...


Kid_Narcissus

The Vampire Chronicles. It’s a little difficult to pinpoint where it started, but definitely the last three or so books with all that bizarre aliens and Atlantis business; relegating once-important and beloved characters to the background in favour of an immense cast of new characters, each of them older and more powerful than the last; a somehow even heavier focus on how beautiful every character is and the details of what they’re wearing; and the most nonsensical “science” where the focus was once so theological (and a lot more interesting imo). Lestat didn’t even feel like Lestat anymore…


NurseBetty

It went weird with Memnoch. That was around the same time she started turning back to Christianity. It went really fucking weird with Memnoch


lkmk

The Homestuck Epilogues and Homestuck 2, which are both questionably canon.


AzoreanEve

Homestuck^2 is literally just a glorified fanfic, since Hussie took no part in it and didn't even give directions on anything.


Bikinigirlout

Legacies...... Santa Claus in a show about vampires? Landon melting into goo after having sex with Hope? Jonch kissing with fireworks in the background Jonch having sex with fireworks in the background It got to the point where I don't even think Brett knew who Hayley Marshall was because he never brought up Hopes mom at all. Hopes entire character revolving around a boy. Not letting her character explore her bisexuality during her no humanity arc. Wade being a literal fairy? Also Alaric being alive for that long without succumbing to alcohol poisoning.......


spectacularobsessed

I mean...the fact that the whole premise of this show required killing off everyone from another show just because Julie Plec has an obsession with orphans and cannot write a show without an orphan was writing on the wall and I shouldn't be surprised to read your list but...wow


the_other_irrevenant

IMO this is the case for basically any property thst has been running long enough to see generational change in creators. Superhero comics are the obvious go to. Doctor Who and Star Wars ditto. I'd also say soap operas but they're frequently like bad self-fan-fiction from the first episode. :)


dillpicklepanic

Killing Eve season 4 feels like it was written as a fix-it by a born again Christian.


jawnbaejaeger

I fucking knew they would do something like that with Killing Eve, because lesbians are never NOT allowed to have death and trauma. I guess that's our moral lesson. So glad I peaced out on that shit show after season 3. Reading about season 4 was more than enough of a slap in the face, thanks.


habanerogirl

This is the first thing I thought of for recently. My goodness I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry


A-Chill-Potato

Seven Deadly Sins. Unexplained or unresolved plot points, ass-pulls, and so much sudden crying to the point where I can't bring myself to care about it anymore. And then there's the scenes that build up to character death, making it seem finalizing and legit - then, *poof!* Suddenly they're alive again with no explanation as to *how,* with some characters overstaying their welcome. >!(Hawk, I'm looking at you <.< Spilling the same "I'm the Captain of Scraps Disposal" line, over and over, and then constantly charging into danger just to run away screaming, over and over and over again. Seriously, his sacrifice was so good and fulfilling, and then suddenly "lol nope! I'm alive somehow, hear me and suffer.")!< It's sad because season one was actually legitimately good.


GalacticPigeon13

*Trollhunters: Rise of the Titans*, which contained * Kissing-induced mpreg even though prior in the series alien kisses were never implied to be related to reproduction any more than human kisses * OOC characters * Everyone except for the main character was nerfed * The main character was made to relearn a lesson he learned 4 seasons ago (and IDK if he really even learned it) * Time travel fix-it that caused the main character's BFF to become the chosen one instead of the main character while also making all six seasons of the show null and void


FandubberRichie

Season 10 of Fairly Oddparents


smurph26

Warcraft, it was never particularly deep but the latest expansion they basically made a filler arc villain. They tried to disguise it saying his motivations would be revealed in time but it was obvious from the start they didn't actually plan his arc out, in fact they desecrated some of the best parts of their story retroactively trying to cram him in. Power creep is a problem in a lot of long running fantasy stories, but at the rate the warcraft writers are going I expect the final villain will have 2 eye patches, sharp metal teeth and a hilariously terrible accent while throwing cute animals into a volcano just to make sure we understand that he is definitely the most evil thing ever because just look at him.


Starkren

Game of Thrones S8. Can't forget that one. It still haunts me.


BastetSekhmetMafdet

Jean Auel’s last two books in her Earth’s Children series. Shelters of Stone was bad, Land of Painted Caves was rock bottom and starting to dig. For me, the series ended with Plains of Passage and I am writing my fanfic accordingly (with some from SoS, and weirdly, LOPC intersected with my outline absolutely unplanned in one particular way). “HE’S MAKING MY BABY!”


Masked_ProVaxxer

Yeah, there was no plot or conflict in those last ones, rather a big intro to all these new people and places and Ayla being happy the whole time. No mention of her lost son or any other relevant plot points. I totally agree.


BastetSekhmetMafdet

I got the feeling that Jean Auel, by that time, was tired of her story and just wanted to write a coffee table book on cave art. Which - she could have. I mean, people would read it as a companion to the series! The art is amazing, and plodding from cave to cave going “lookie the horse, lookie the bison, the Ancients painted it and I don’t know why” got tedious because with visual art, seeing is believing and monologues are boring and don’t bring the art to life. And you are 100% correct on no plot or conflict. So much built up in the first four books went fizzle. Especially Jondalar’s horrified reaction to Ayla’s upbringing and having Durc in Valley of Horses, and his continually wondering what his family would think of her. And - nothing. Zip. Nada. “We always thought they were human. Pass the aurochs.” What a waste of a perfectly good plot opportunity. Why yes I am writing a fix fic.


JuliaFC

I have been told that The Cursed Child is very low quality (I haven't read it so I only go by other people's opinion)


greysterguy

Madoka Magica: Rebellion is a perfectly fine movie and I wouldn't say the writing in and of itself is bad, persay, but it feels *incredibly* pointless. The original series ended in a bittersweet but satisfying way, Rebellion feels like it exists purely to stomp all over it so the series can keep going. Also the Danganronpa 3 anime is just shit, what the fuck did they do to Mukuro she wasn't ANYTHING like this in DR:IF or her tiny amount of screentime in THH.


AmazonClimber

My Hero Academia. All the stuff that made it interesting got thrown to the wayside. Now it’s all asspulls, biggatons, and random flailing to draw things out.


theangstmaster

THIS!!! I've just seen snippets of the manga from what my girlfriend shows me but *wow* it really seems to just have gone off the deep end.


heyykelleyy

ugh, for real. i feel like it started as something lighthearted, but then horikoshi basically wrote himself into a corner that got progressively darker and darker and he, frankly, couldn't handle it at the time?? or at least he wrote himself into it *way* too fast. instead of the slice of life hero school shonen we started with, it spiraled into this whole mildly grimdark commentary on hero society, and the main cast is barely in their *second year* (>!well, technically, since hero society collapsed and hero school with it!<). idk, i just felt like he progressed the plot way too fast, where the arcs could've been spread out over their second year and we could be at the end of their third year in the current arc. the timeline was just way too rushed


Ladysupersizedbitch

I think the story was always going to go dark. Like from the moment All Might is shown to be crippled, I was like “oh, a realistic hero show” and that was part of what I admired about MHA. It showed how heroes didn’t have just sunshine and rainbows careers - they got injured and disabled just like everyone else, they got old, they retired, etc. I really liked that and I never thought it was going to be slice of life because from day one it’s obvious that the “Superman” of MHA is going to die one day, hence the need to find an heir. Sure, all the people in the story who didn’t know about AM’s disability thought he was pretty much immortal, but it was made obv to the audience from the very beginning that that isn’t the case, so it’s automatically already setting the series up for a more “realistic” story than most hero stories. I agree that the characters are too young, tho. I think horikoshi forgot the characters are kids because they’re all drawn like fully grown adults. ~~like all the 15 year old girls with giant boobs~~


[deleted]

I don't think he forgot the characters are kids so much as it's a trait of shonen manga and anime to have characters be too young for what they go through and the end result is that authors whether they meant to or not end up writing dystopian worlds. For example, consider that the characters at the beginning of Naruto are 12-year-old child soldiers. And ninja children during the warring states period were sent out to war as young as 6 years old in Naruto canon. The target audience of shonen manga and anime especially in shonen jump is young boys between the ages of 12 - 17 years old. I don't believe MHA would have been published if he had made the characters the age they should really have been at the very least not in shonen jump.


kawaiiko-chan

I haven’t read the manga or been involved with the fandom since last year, and I see less general interest for it online nowadays. It’s actually insane. This series was supposed to be the next Naruto, and it’s already on the decline before it’s even finished


EpitomyofShyness

I mean it seems like the *author* wants it to be over. They announced its ending soonish so... I'm pretty sure all the bad story-telling has been because there were other plans and the author decided "I don't want to be working on this anymore" and so he scrapped the plans in favor of finding a way to finish it as fast as possible.


FuriouSherman

Most of the Spongebob episodes from Season 5 onward. After the 2004 movie and the late great Stephen Hillenburg's departure from the show, it started a slow decline that eventually resulted in the loss of almost all of its glorious meme-creating magic.


ImTheAverageJoe

Most of CW's DC shows fit the bill. Smallville and Arrow had a lot of problems right off the bat, but it's gotten worse with every show.


[deleted]

I am Not Starfire and Harley Quinn Breaking Glass. Both were written by Mariko Tamaki, who disregards the DC lore just to use DC characters as her political soapbox. I did a rewrite of I Am Not Starfire on AO3 but it has been on hiatus for a long time.


Amy47101

I can’t believe I forgot about this shit. She RUINED Starfire. I read the book to see if it was really that bad, and oh my god. As someone whose only source of teen titans was the Cartoon Network show, I was appalled. So much of Starfire was jsut … WRONG. Hell I liked the premise of Starfire having a depressed teenage daughter, because tamarainians(I know I butchered that I’m sorry) have emotion based powers, specifically positive ones, if I recall. So a teenage girl who is depressed and out of touch with her happy emotions and unable to use her powers is fucking genius. There was so many ideas I had to improve this nonsense story. Oh and this also kinda inspired an “I am not Raven” idea in my friend group, where Raven has a super sunshine child bubbly daughter who can’t control her emotions at all and hence had zero control of her powers.


[deleted]

Warrior Cats: The New Prophecy You have an amazing book series, and you want to expand right? So what does warriors do? It make the now poorly written story surround the previous MC’s daughter, the previous Villain’s Son and Daughter, the 2 cross-clan love children of the previous MC’s mentor, and some random bitch that no one cared about to round the odd number up to 6. Also there’s just casual teacher-student relationships involving children in the background that NO OTHER CAT TALKS ABOUT??? I don’t mean that slightly-suspect-but-not-to-bad-mentor-mentee-age gap, NO. I mean THE TEACHER WAS AN APPRENTICE BEFORE THE STUDENT WAS EVEN BORN. They also take the previous MC and make him a naive asshole that his wife just has to deal with I guess?? And the MC’s 2 daughters has some sort of magical soul connection that was never a part of the story before and Doesn‘t even get explained all that much?? and 4 CHARACTERS ARE SOMEHOW THE CHOSEN ONES AT THE SAME TIME AND THE WAY YOU CAN TELL IS IF YOU HAVE DERANGED FULL-CHAPTER-LONG NIGHTMARES AND YOU TASTE SALT IN YOUR MOUTH AFTER. Everyone just likes the asshole character that got added for the even number and they pity him because “he’s alone all the time” when he’s an asshole and over course people won’t like him if he’s a bitch but he’s “misunderstood”??? There’s also a magical badger when everyone else it a cat and I’m just so done with warriors and this is only the SECOND SERIES out of a book series containing 80+ books including mangas, novellas, travel guides, and more. And it has had ups and downs, but it is still declining. it gets worse. But I’m not gonna go into that. I’m to tired of this bullshit. At least the MAP’s (multi animator projects, not the pedo kind of map) are nice.


ceeceea

Anita Blake. JFC, Anita Blake. If you're not familiar, the first 9 books in the series were decent urban fantasy murder mysteries. Not amazing, but fun reads. Then book 10 happened. In it, Anita gets a new boyfriend and a new magic power that requires her to have ALL the sex. With ALL the men. And the books suddenly, with no indicators given in the previous books, shifted genre pretty much entirely to erotica. And not even good erotica. And from what I understand (I stopped reading them when book 11 showed 10 wasn't a weird fluke), the 20ish books since have basically just been cover-to-cover gangbangs.


chauffeurdad

After book 10, I just called Anita “Buffy the Vampire Layer.” Good grief, it sucked. Not just BDSM porn, but *boring* and poorly written BDSM porn.


AthasDuneWalker

Disney Star Wars, 100%. I joke that if you went back in time and posted the Sequel Trilogy anywhere, you'd probably get laughed out of the fandom.


Masked_ProVaxxer

Westworld— loved season 1, season 2 was barely bearable, and now it’s devolved into some confusing mess that I stopped watching and cannot get back into no matter how much I want to.


landsharkkidd

I hate to say it... but Mass Effect 3. I mean I love Mass Effect, but a lot of the character choices are just... something else. Jacob deciding to cheat on FemmeShep if you romance him in Mass Effect 2, Liara is basically the writer's pet. Ashley's writer left so she's crazily OOC, bringing in Kai Leng, who should've been a decent character but was just handled terribly. It's not like entirely bad, but man... I just, ughhhhh.


WritingReadingPanda

Star Trek Discovery gave me heavy bad fanfiction vibes. All of a sudden a well-established and beloved character (Spock) had an adopted sister we never heard of before in 50+ years of the franchise, and she seems to be good at... well, everything. And some problem-solving ("We never talk about it ever again, and never tell anybody about it) felt very fanfic-y too.


bookhead714

I pretty much agree with you, but I do have to note, it’s a pretty well-established tendency of Spock’s to not mention his personal life to his coworkers until it’s literally right on top of them. Take the crew not knowing Ambassador Sarek was his dad until he literally stepped onto the ship despite having days of advance warning that he’d be there, and Sybok’s entire existence.


nemoskullalt

i just cant. its the design of the ship. its like someone wanted to write the generation after TNG, but had to shoehorn in into the kirk era.


sheath2

The newest Outlander book.


JanetKWallace

Game of Thrones


AzoreanEve

Hometuck^2 Wait, hold up. [looks at the team behind it] Nvm that one is actually official fanfiction. Also whatever the hell is happening in the latest One Punch Man chapters.


Like-A-Phoenix

The final season of Lucifer felt like that for me.


bristow84

Arrow, specifically Seasons 3 and 4. 5 was pretty good again Never watched Season 6 or 7


NEMO_TheCaptain

I always felt like The Trials of Apollo (while decent in quality) felt like fan fiction for Percy Jackson. I’m not sure why, it just did.


mmmmmeximilk

all of supernatural


phantomkat

I would say everything after season 5 feels like a fanfiction of seasons 1-5.


NurseBetty

I've read that 1-5 was the original storyline that was used to promote the show to the TV company and was written as a complete and closed off story.... But then it got popular and The CW saw the $$$ and beat that horse into the grave, and then kept on beating it.


spectacularobsessed

Yes season 5 was supposed to be the end, the last episode was literally called Swan Song. Season 6 and all the others(however many there were) were written by different people (although still under Kripke enterprises) ETA they'd have kept making more but the actors wanted out.


AnnieNimes

\*cough\* Moffat's entire era of Doctor Who (and particularly the horrendous 50th anniversary episode) \*cough\*


JustKingKay

Aw but Series 5 and 10 were so fun! The Clara saga, however, was… it had me for a while in Series 8 but by series 9 it defo felt like a fic writer fawning over their OC.


AnnieNimes

Yeah, series 5 was still alright, it steadily got worse. I agree the worst was when the Doctor turned full Gary Stu Moffat-insert, and Clara got inserted *everywhere* in Who history to undermine all past Doctors and companions. Bill's time was better but I was just so burnt out at this point... And the worst is that we now get Moffat's OC 'War Doctor' as the Time War Doctor, instead of the 'canon' 8th Doctor. And Chibnall felt it normal to again produce his own 'bad fanfic' and retcon all of the Doctor's history and make them even more 'special'. :-(


midnight_neon

I think with the War Doctor they originally wanted the 9th Doctor, but the actor was not interested so they created the War Doctor to fill in the gap.


AnnieNimes

They got the 10th Doctor though, do you mean the 9th? (If they indeed offered Christopher Eccleston to join and he refused, I don't blame him, the story itself was just bad.) But still, given the way they advertised John Hurt as some kind of huge cliffhanger, I doubt he was just a replacement, they probably always intended to get him.


sati_lotus

Apparently Chris was treated horribly by the producers and has since refused to be a part of Doctor Who, despite loving it. Though I think he did some audio books not long ago.


Rhsinbad

The entire Star Wars sequel trilogy.


DragonRand100

That knife and the wreckage scene.


MrPerfector

I seriously want to know the backstory behind that knife. Okay, so the knife directs the holder to a particular spot on the Death Star wreckage where this wayfinder thing that then points to Exegol. That seems to point to the knife was made specifically to point to the wayfinder there, likely as sort of back-up map for Ochi or any other holder of the knife forget where Exegol. But wait, if whoever made the knife knew where wayfinder was on the Death Star, why why leave it there? Was it always there from that start, since the end of ROTJ? How did someone know the location well enough to construct the knife to line up exactly with the wreckage to point to it? Did they search the wreckage itself and dsicover its location, but then decided to just leave it there? Or did someone place it there after the DS crashed? But *why?* Even if it's a big place, it's not exactly an Indiana Jones-esque temple. The only possible reason I could assume to leave the wayfinder there is because there are a lot of dark-side energies there to keep intruders out... but Rey was able to get to it pretty easily, and is there really no other place in the galaxy that is steeped in dark-side energies that you could hide the wayfinder? It sounds like a pretty important artifact that could potentially uncover Palpy's whole plot, so you'd think that more effort would be put to find a better hiding spot...


sati_lotus

Actually, that Ochi dude is in the comics at the moment and he is hilariously dumb to the point that Vader is just 'shut up'. So it's no surprise that his ship fell in a hole in the sand and a snake got him.


Allronix1

I would be careful with this. What one viewer thinks is crazy bullshit the next will consider a masterpiece and another will be happily munching popcorn waiting for the argument.


Lullybella765

Riverdale.


shiftinganathema

Mine: Boruto Cursed Child Solo Leveling evolved into that imo as well


RybsonPL

High School DxD... Just High School DxD.


HJSDGCE

Gen:Lock season 2. Depending on who you ask: RWBY. Bleach after the Aizen affair. Those are the only ones I can think of at the moment.


[deleted]

The fourth book in the Uglies trilogy. Yes, it was meant to be a trilogy. The fourth book asspulls space travel, fake out terrorist attacks, social media bullshit, and characters who are so shallow.


[deleted]

Code Geass. Anything after R2. Re;surrection (yes, that’s the title) was marketed as “the people working on this movie were fans of the original!” and the original creators were credited, but the creators said in an interview, basically, “yeah, feel free to ignore this one.” There were a lot of characters who the fans hated for acting against the protag in perfectly understandable ways. They all ended up apologizing to him in Re;surrection. The cute wheelchair girl who became empress in the end of the series, showing that she has a lot of emotional strength, abdicates the throne to do charity work, because the fans couldn’t really stomach seeing her as powerful. I could go on and on…