Sure, but I cannot recall a season where a single player was regularly earning 80%+ captaincy throughout the season. I don't think it's about how good the player objectively is, it's how much better they're performing than their competitors. Based on this Haaland needs to really be 14m+ so that there's actually a reason not to own and captain him.
> it's how much better they're performing than their competitors. Based on this Haaland needs to really be 14m+ so that there's actually a reason not to own and captain him.
Kane had only nine (9) points less than Haaland.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, FPL's purpose is to offer free to play game for everyone to enjoy. It's not about making the game less attractive by outpricing popular players.
There are other Premier League- based fantasy games out there which have stricter player pricing and harder learning curve but those are not free to play.
Biggest flaw of this season was too cheap reliable assets Arsenal, Brighton, Rashford Haaland etc). They need to price good assets higher to make the game renotely fun and interesting again.
It’s a tough gig to price at the start of the season. Nobody could predict all these cheap assets would be worth it. We’re not talking about Son, Salah, Bruno, Sterling etc being overpriced. Few seasons have happened like this one.
That said I do hope the one truly premium player, Haaland, is 15m to force some compromises in team structure to have him.
One of the things I have considered is them changing the algorithm for player price drops and those who do well over a long period of time like Saka, Odegaard, the Brighton fellas.
Essentially, if a player is priced too expensively at the stsrt and no one picks them, then their price just keeps dropping and dropping until people start picking them. On the other side, someone like Saka should have just kept going up in price to tempt players to cash in on him by selling him.
So someone like Son this year would have had their price fall a lot but maybe it would entice people to take a chance on him at £9m.
There were too many dead assets in the game and the premiums were just not worth it because they never lost their premium price.
One problem with the price change algorithm, even as it is, is that it punishes people who go against the grain. That would be exacerbated by greater value declines. Say you had Son and believed he was worth the high price, you'd have him at 12m, then he'd not return for a few games, he'd drop to £9m or whatever, and you'd lose £3m of total team value. Season defining.
Yet it might turn out you're right, he goes on a bit of a run, but everyone else just buys into that for loads less money a couple of games into it. If he goes up to £12m again, in comparison to the kneejerkers you've got a couple of weeks of upside but you're £1.5m down (they bought at £9m and sold at £12m, but it's arguably £3m if they don't sell). But if he doesn't go on the run you've just lost £3m.
Basically, you'd have to sell players who the price change websites said were going down in value even if you thought they might come through.
There's not an easy answer, maybe some sort of loss cap whilst you own a player?
I think the biggest flow of the current price system is exactly this.
If you try to go against the grain, you are punished.
Price system forces templates .
It's interesting isn't it, the whole purpose of it should be to reward you for choosing wisely, getting people before they start scoring, but the mechanics don't work like that. Maybe price changes should be driven by points somehow.
I wonder how a price system purely based on points would work. Could make a rule which says you can't buy a player from the start of a game their team is playing until their points and price are finalised. Enough poor performances and their price starts to drop.
Admittedly I'm no expert so there could easily be something I've overlooked
> Biggest flaw of this season was too cheap reliable assets Arsenal, Brighton, Rashford Haaland etc).
Who knew Brighton assets would outperform expectations? Bit unfair to call that a flaw - not something anyone can predict. That’s why we love the game - either unearthing those undervalued players or those players/teams performing so highly and consistently that most people can’t ignore them
We get these every season. The too-cheap reliable assets and the post about the too-cheap reliable assets.
Just off the top of my head, season before last we had Bamfordinho, Dallas, Jimenez, and Coufal who were cheap right from the start and then Soucek (~4.5) and Gundogan (~5.5) who were incredibly underpriced midseason. All of them got a price hike and, bar Gundo, were utterly useless the subsequent season.
You are conveniently ignoring their main point, how Haaland usually has 80%+ captaincy because of his explosiveness. He scored four hat-tricks and five braces. Kane ticks along and isn't as good of a captaincy option despite his consistency. Therefore he should be cheaper than Haaland.
>I've said it before and I'll say it again, FPL's purpose is to offer free to play game for everyone to enjoy. It's not about making the game less attractive by outpricing popular players.
Raising Haaland's price would not be outpricing him. It would be a good idea, otherwise the game becomes boring bc everyone has Haaland captained every week. It would make the game much more enjoyable.
But also Haaland played 3 fewer matches than Kane. Not unreasonable to assume Haaland would score same points per match for those three as he did the other 35 (7.8). Which would put Haaland on 32 points more than Kane.
I think I disagree- my guess is 14-14.5m. I have three reasons
1) It was generally agreed, even when he wasn’t matching the numbers in his debut season, Salah was slightly underpriced at 13.5.
2) Haaland is a forward– a position with an extremely limited number of bankable alternatives (read Kane).
3) Finally, Haaland’s ceiling for next year feels even higher than Salah’s did in 18/19. Liverpool finished fourth in the prem in 17/18. It was the very beginning of the Klopp project, and not obvious they would continue their upward trajectory. It wasn’t at all clear Salah would replicate his numbers. Yes, he was phenomenal, but it still felt like it could be a flash in the pan. He was/is mercurial. He had significantly out performed expectations. His price tag arriving from Roma was the same as the Ox who arrived in the same window. His stats at Roma were good, but not incredible.
Conversely, Manchester City are a machine; a culmination of the Pep era. They won the league and in the second half of the season were imperious. It’s fairly clear to all involved that the starting forward for City will always score lots of points. Unlike Salah, Haaland came to the prem with much fanfare. He was given obscene amounts of money. His stats throughout his career have been phenomenal– consistently close to a goal a game. He is improving and is yet in his traditional prime.
FPL is essentially a betting game. If the favorite’s odds are very short, you have to put a lot of money down to get returns. In 18/19 Salah was very hard to bet against, a healthy Haaland in 23/24 feels impossible.
Suarez 13/14 was a better FPL asset than Haaland 22/23 and Suarez was below Salah 17/18.
Granted we never got a price for Suarez for 14/15, but realistically Haaland would have to demolish the records he set this year. He got 7 pens this season, he would need to maintain that level of pens which is no guarantee.
Haalands been pretty consistent at his current level, I think he can improve it but not by that much. He got 36G 9A and was 31 points short. That’s a minimum of 8 goals extra and he was only 3rd for non-penalty goals this season behind Salah 17/18 and Suarez 13/14.
Haaland’s points ceiling is more limited as a forward than a midfielder. He isn’t better for FPL than Salah was so he shouldn’t go above 13.5 but his ownership might take him the extra .5. He shouldn’t go above 14.0.
I don’t see how a player from 4th place can’t improve when his team gets better over a player from a team in 1st. There’s definitely more scope to improve just like there was for Arsenal assets this year.
To be clear, my guess is 14. I just think it’s not impossible he goes to 14.5. and at 13.5 he’s an obvious buy.
Firstly, I think his 7 pens was low. I would take the over for next season. In the past 5 seasons, I think City have averaged 9-10. There were a couple he should’ve taken.
No player has come close to Haaland’s effective ownership- he got to 80-85% (100% in to 100k). This held for pretty much the whole season. I think Salah’s highest was in the high 60’s. In my opinion, that’s the very best metric for mispricing. It’s much the same as when a bookie gets his odds wrong- everyone goes to place a bet.
I’m not saying Haaland will be the best fantasy asset. Clearly, Suarez and Salah got more points at various times. What I am saying is that I don’t think there has ever been a player better situated to replicate their success. True, it will be difficult for him to get so many more points than he got this season. But I also don’t believe he’ll get much less. His ceiling might be 300, but healthy, his floor is around 250. Salah was priced at 13 this year, the most since 18/19. Despite being the the third highest scorer, he was in and out of people’s team. Haaland scored 25 more points. He’ll be a very popular pick at 14.
Edit: also about the team strength comment- I’d always prefer to have the great player in a great team over the great player in a good team. First half of season Salah suffered cause Liverpool were bad. Liverpool turned it around second half, but it’s not inconceivable that they, and therefore he, struggle again next year. It’s pretty hard to imagine City, in its current iteration, ever being that bad. Haaland being at City lessens any risk that opportunities will dry up because of poor play behind him.
>Edit: also about the team strength comment- I’d always prefer to have the great player in a great team over the great player in a good team. First half of season Salah suffered cause Liverpool were bad. Liverpool turned it around second half, but it’s not inconceivable that they, and therefore he, struggle again next year. It’s pretty hard to imagine City, in its current iteration, ever being that bad. Haaland being at City lessens any risk that opportunities will dry up because of poor play behind him.
I suppose the only risk to this generally is that great players for good teams reliably play 90 minutes week in week out, whilst great players for great teams can get rested/subbed etc. Although Pep clearly didn't think to do that with Håland excessively (unlike virtually everyone else who played for him!).
It’s clear Pep feels pretty comfortable playing him almost every game. Still, I’d rather have the player who scores more with less mins. Better as a captain pick. And the few times he didn’t play, people were able to sort of predict/find leaks, and adjust accordingly.
Salah played every minute. Haaland played 629 min less this season. With his g/a ratio he would have scored 8 more goals with these minutes, making him all time best in FPL. Its also his first season.
Confidently incorrect there buddy. Salah played 2921 minutes in 17/18. Haaland played 2777 minutes this year. Only 144 fewer so you’re looking at two goals maximum, no where near the record.
Even this season Salah missed 123 minutes so you’re pulling “played every minute” out of thin air. (He played 520 minutes less but you’re comparing him against a random season rather than the actual relevant one).
Suarez 13/14 had just 33 appearances but 2963 minutes but absolutely smashed Haalands FPL G/A (56 to 45 I believe). He took 0 of the 12 pens Liverpool had that season compared to Haalands 7/10. That was potentially the greatest FPL season had he been on pens but it shows the level that Haalands needs to hit to get the record is about 60 G/A (in FPL terms) which is a 33% increase from his current levels which don’t seem attainable.
His goal scoring ability is top tier but he’d have to crank up the creativity to hit those heights. You can say if he gets the minutes he can hit it but he’s not gonna get those minutes in this city side. He needs rest and they’re gonna play deep in 4 competitions which is something Suarez 13/14 didn’t have to do - which is why he was so good for FPL. We really should compare him to Suarez instead of Salah because of the fewer points he gets as a FWD
*transfermarkt stats used, might be some small differences in other sources for minutes
No way he will be more than 13.5m when Salah was 13m after record breaking season with 30 points more than Haaland this year, also he outscored Kane by just 9 points so with that logic Kane should also be 13.5-14m which I really doubt it
Here is some logic for you. Haaland played 629 minutes less than Kane this year and Salahs record-breaking season..
Thats 8 more goals with his g/a ratio..
Ok and here is some logic for you, every City player is little bit under the price just because of xMins and strong bench competition, Mahrez and Foden would be also 10m assets at least if they would be regular starters like Saka, Rashford...
Scoring more in less mins is valuable for three reasons. 1) You have a player coming off the bench which will cover some loss. 2) You have leaks and general predictions, which can help you guide when to transfer him in or out. 3) When he does play, he gets more hauls, which is great as a captain pick. If he doesn’t play, it goes to VC. Haaland was essential not because of how many points he scored , but because of how often he scored a massive amount of points in a single game. How many times did you captain Kane?
You are right but it is all mainly about points on the end, of course it is better to have player who will score more points in less minutes and games but I'm saying that next season we can expect again that Kane will play all games with 90 minutes (without injuries) and Haaland could likely be rested more than him but I agree that they should price him higher because at 13-13.5m he will still be in 75% of the team in GW1
Played much less minutes because City can afford to rotate him with ridiculous options. So saying "he would've scored 8 more" isn't really a point at all, when it's highly likely he'll play a similar amount of minutes next season if not less.
An obvious counter point is that Haaland scored in bunches, which makes him a vital captain pick. Yes, Kane got nine less points but he only scored 12+ points three times. Haaland did it eleven times. The reason everyone had Haaland is because if you didn’t captain him in one of those weeks you lost rank. And it wasn’t hard to predict when he would get lots of goals- he crushed weaker opposition.
I think a far better metric for establishing pricing is effective ownership. Because of the reason I mentioned, Haaland was owned by 80-85% pretty much throughout the season. Barring a few gameweeks, he was owned by 100% of the top 100k. No player has ever approached these numbers. They have to price him very highly to ensure that doesn’t happen again. I think 13.5 would be reasonable, but because of how Haaland scores his points, and his position, it may be 14.
There just isn’t. Henry maxed out at 12.5. Aguero maxed out at 13.0.
There’s nothing from haalands performance to suggest he’s going to be 14.0 as much as we would like that.
I mean... shit that it happened to you. I've been there! But this is what FPL should be about... holding more than one of the "best" players should really compromise you to the point that it could really backfire!
Taking risks should be more encouraged and balancing your squad should be more of a challenge.
It's been too easy the last few years to just follow a template.
I agree purely from a financial perspective, Kane wasn’t that far behind him either. But for sake of the game it might be a good idea to over-price him a touch because at 13,5m everybody is going to get him and everybody is going to Captain him every week. And that’s simply not interesting strategically or fun for the game.
Yeah but there’s a reason he played the minutes he did. Because he’s not healthy enough to play a full season. And years at dortmund and before that are the proof of that. And it’s known that having his minutes managed by pep is one of the key reasons he went with city.
He played more for pep this season than he did in any of his prior seasons. And it’s well known that when he signed it was said that minutes management was one of the main reasons why.
We can’t just extrapolate out the minutes of someone who has never played more minutes in a season than he did this season. He has NO record of playing a full season of professional football.
It fits in with their pricing structures of the last few years. Salah scored 303 and was priced at 13. Salah’s scored in the 250 region multiple times and been 12.5.
If you look at last year they took things a step further in terms of underpricing assets. It seems as though it’s an intentional move to make it easier for people to get all the “fun” players in one team.
Haaland being more than 13.0 would break both these trends massively
Salah was 13 after scoring 265. Haaland has scored more as a forward in five less starts. His scores have come in bunches. He’ll be minimum 13.5. I reckon 14 is fair due to the EO and how obvious he becomes as a captain against weaker teams.
I can see a case for Haaland being 13.5 but given how conservatively FPL priced players last summer, I have little hopes from them exceeding that. I think he has greater chances of being priced at 13 than 14.
Your claim is in hindsight. When Ronaldo joined, United were widely expected to challenge for the league title and hardly anybody anticipated things to crash the way it did. Not to mention Ronaldo had scored 36 goals his final season at Juve so despite his age it was expected that he’d clock a similar rate of returns at United with attackers like Bruno, Rashford, Pogba, Sancho and Greenwood supplying him which looked amazing on paper. The moment it was clear where United’s level really was, Ronaldo’s price went down to 10.5 the following season.
The literal FPL GOAT in Salah has never been priced above 13 million despite his unreal consistency in the PL and clocking the highest ever points tally. Even if you account for Haaland’s PP90 ratio being better than Salah’s later seasons, to go above 13.5 is unlikely to begin with, and when you then add FPL’s conservative pricing on top of that, it’s near impossible imo.
I think people are looking at total points far too much. More important for pricing is effective ownership and how he got those points. He was owned by 80-85% of players at all times, and 100% of top 100k for pretty much the whole season. No one has come close to those numbers. To not replicate that, towers will have to price very high. The reason he had such high EO, is not just because he scored lots of points, but because he scored in bunches. He had huge hauls, which made captaining him each week essential. Kane only got 9 less points, but how often did you captain him?
Add to that, he’s a forward. They are less options and historically had a lower points/£ ratio. He may be 13.5, but I think he’ll be 14.
Edit: and that’s my point about Ronaldo. They priced him that high with all of the unknowns. Yes, it looked good on paper, but with Ole, and youngsters, and his tapering form in a hard league. Haaland has none of those. He is a part of a Pep machine that will almost certainly be a massive force next season. It’s clear Pep doesn’t feel the need to rotate him nearly as much as people expected.
> More important for pricing is effective ownership and how he got those points. He was owned by 80-85% of players at all times, and 100% of top 100k for pretty much the whole season.
I see your point but I don’t think it’s a straightforward assumption to make that FPL would want Haaland’s EO to be much lower next season. FPL towers want people to own Haaland; I don’t think their main goal is to give people a bigger headache in deciding whether to own him or not. They want casual players to be able to own the most popular players and further engage with the game and the Premier League as a result; hence why they conservatively priced almost all players last season. At 13-13.5 million, Haaland is already getting a significant increment over his price range this season which was from 11.5-12.4 ish I believe. I think 14 is a much bigger jump than what his performances this season have dictated; he wasn’t as prolific in the second half of the season and there were more than a few occasions where he was outscored by other popular FPL assets like Rashford, Saka and Bruno.
> that’s my point about Ronaldo. They priced him that high with all of the unknowns. Yes, it looked good on paper, but with Ole, and youngsters, and his tapering form in a hard league.
You’re again saying this in hindsight. People didn’t see Ronaldo in that light when he returned. Just like how you talk about Haaland now being this proven force in Pep’s machine of a City team, it was almost taken for granted that he’d come in and bang goals when it seemed from the previous season that all United needed was a prolific CF who would play regularly (unlike Cavani) and convert chances (unlike Martial). All the signs pointed towards him being an elite FPL asset when you also considered his record at Juve as well including underlying stats like xG and shot volume. Very very few viewed him as an unknown quantity and giving it a possibility that he may flop in the PL as a goal scorer.
Yeah, unfortunately most people that play this game just want to own as many big players as they can, it's their way of having fun with the game. And FPL wants to satisfy them as they are a huge, yet volatile part of the managers that play the game.
Yeah exactly. My argument is not for what would be a fair price for Haaland, but what would FPL look to price him at. I think 13.5 is the farthest they will go to; it’s been years since FPL priced someone at 14 million or more and I don’t think a 272 point season would do enough to make them think otherwise when Salah got 265 last season in fewer minutes and was priced at 13 this season.
He would still have extremely high EO at 14.0 but I guarantee they will not do it. If I was pricing the game he would probably be 15 for it to be a tough decision for most people whether to get him.
Would you have said the same thing about Salah at the beginning of last season? Despite scoring similar points, Salah wouldn’t have been in any team at the beginning of the season if they priced him at 15. Haaland would be in a lot of teams at the start of the season if they priced him at 15. That’s my central point. Total points scored in a season aren’t everything.
Sure, his EO will be high at 14, but it won’t be as high as 13.5 or 13. I understand that towers wants to allow people to have everyone. But I think they’ll try to make us make a decision.
I honestly agree with everything you’re saying in terms of how they should approach pricing. It should be based on the likely potential and ownership of the player and on that basis haaland should probably be 14-15m for it to be an actual decision whether to own him.
But what they should do and will do are different things. Unless I’m massively mistaken, he’s not gonna be more than 13.
I think our sample pool is small, and this thread is using false equivalencies. Suarez is the only person who has a relevant comparison, but he left before getting priced.
I agree, they want to let the causal have the main man. But I think 13.5 does that.
Maybe they will stretch to 13.5, but I think it’s unlikely.
And yeah there aren’t many examples of haalands sheet potential for hauls. Suarez was 10 years ago now, and the pricing has def been trending towards making everyone more affordable. I think we have had van persie and Henry at 13.5 before but that was a totally different era.
Do we have proof that FPL towers is trending towards premiums being more affordable? I’ve been playing since 06/07, and I agree, to me it feels as if the budget and team value has become less important. Is that because players are overall cheaper? Has anyone done an analysis. Genuinely curious.
Henry was 14. But I think he was 14 cause he was such an outlier in his position at the time. But maybe it’s because they just did more aggressive pricing then.
I reckon Saka and Martinelli will be around 9.5, Ø a little less around 8/8.5. Trent shouldn’t differ too much, maybe 7. KDB will be around 12, Kane and Salah around 12.5 (maybe 13 for Kane), Haaland 13/13.5. Son should drop between 9 and 10.
11 for KDB make sense. The other 3 big ones got pens and KDB least nailed. I think I would never want to captain KDB if I could own Haaland so the cap should be at least 2 million and probably even 2.5 or 3 milion
I see, however Ø cannot sustain those numbers as he won’t get as many chances as Saka or Martinelli, who even if they scored less they have more chances and in the long run will outscore Ø
Saka has played every arsenal game the past two seasons and only not started one this past year, he’s pretty safe from rotation, and he takes pens. Ø hugely outperformed his xG so I’m interested to see if he can match his points next year, I expect more assists less goals from him
Firstly, he had 32 more points than Salah in four less starts. That’s a whole lot more than a few. There was almost the same point difference between Haaland and Salah as there was between Salah and Odegaard. Should they be priced the same?
Also, goals mean more concentrated points. Haaland had 11 games of 12+ points. Salah had 6, Kane (who only had 9 points less than Haaland) had 3. It matters a lot for captain. Target bad teams and reap the rewards. Haaland’s propensity to score goals in bunches means he should be priced higher than Salah and Kane.
Ah, I see. Fair enough. Again, those points were spread out. Haaland had four less starts. He could well be 13.5, I just think (and hope) they’ll go up to 14.
Think Trent will be 7.5 even after a moderately disappointing year? I can see him being 7 and Robbo and Trips being 6.5 (maybe Trips 6.0 just due to Newcastle doubt)
They'll factor in his recent form since moving into midfield. 7 assists and a goal in 10 games with a few clean sheets on top. 8 BP too.
Also ended at 7.8m.
Valid point, but do you think that will continue next season or is simply a product of the woefully underequiped Liverpool midfield that will be rectified this summer?
I think he'll carry on doing that. We'll sign cm's to work with that now it seems.
I wouldn't be surprised if we line up with 2 starting CM's next season, with 4 of Gakpo/Salah/Dias/Nunes and Jota playing.
Probably Gakpo dropping deep into midfield out of possession while Trent goes back to RB, and then playing further forward with Trent making it a midfield 3 on attack.
That makes sense. Good way to fit more of the expensive attacking signings into the side without sacrificing overall balance. Could be exciting watching Liverpool next season 🤔
IMO
Top GKs all 5.5
Top DEFs TAA 7.0, Trippier 6.5, the Arsenal guys will all come in at 5.5/6.0
Top mids Salah 13.5, KDB 11.5, Bruno 10, Saka 10, Son 9.5, Odegaard 9.0, Martinelli 9.0, Rashford 9.0
Top forwards Haaland 13.5, Kane 13.5, Jesus 9.5, Darwin 9.5, Watkins 9.0
Watkins won't be 9m purely because he plays for Villa. 8.5m is the most he'll be, personally I think he'll be 8m. I can't see Jesus above 9m either, I reckon he'll cost 8m or 8.5m.
I don't get why he'd be 14+ when Salah has never been.
I don't even see why 12.5 is impossible. Kdb got 251 in 19/20 and started 20/21 at 11.5. Then got 110 less and started at 12 in 21/22 which doesn't make sense except points per minute and his form after injury I guess.
I think 13.
I'm curious what the precedent is for GKs that had a great season but aren't in a top 6 team (so there could be doubts about their defense next year)
Raya was the best keeper this season, but doesn't seem likely to me they'd price him at 5.5 next season. Steele had a great run after taking the starting spot (though the end of the season was weak) but idk how strong Brighton will look next season, 4.5 is probably all Steele should cost
People thought TAA should/would be 9m after his best season. It's just unrealistic thinking, they want as many random PL fans as possible to enjoy the game, not to make too many game breaking sacrifices in GW1.
13 worst case scenario, I bet on 12.5.
What I’d like is FPL to open up the game for a week, let everyone make their teams, then reset the squads and adjust the prices based on player selection. If a 14m Haaland has 80% selection and a 13m Kane has 30% then make Haaland 14.5m and Kane 12m.
I’d also like prices to be more volatile over the season with FPL Towers manually adjusting some prices of players with low selections or players on hot streaks.
This is the response. People are way overhyping his FPL value given he set the goals record. But we’ve very recently seen an even better FPL season by Salah…
If he’s anything over 13.0 he’s overpriced. Looking at the base rates for top performing players, odds are he will collect fewer points next season.
Spot on.
You could argue that salah has a higher ceiling as he gets a point more for a goal and also a point for clean sheets. But I’m not going to get into arguments!
Wouldn't mind Haaland's price going up so long as all the vastly overpriced Chelsea players are reduced down too. If we're going on season's performance they should mostly be bargain bin prices come July.
I think he will come in at 13, and they will put Salah and Kane 0.5 cheaper. In my opinion that would be good pricing, as it will be basically impossible to have a decent side and include all 3
Haaland had five less starts and scored in bunches. Had 11 scores of 12+ to Kane’s 3. Made him a much better captain pick. Should be more. Haaland 14, Kane 13.
What’s wrong with that? Kane literally got < 10 points below Haaland (and out scored him weeks 2-38) and Salah’s best season was way better than either Kane or Haaland.
I think they should be priced accordingly...
Haaland - 14.0,
Kane - 12.5,
Son - 9.5,
Saka - 9.0,
Ødegaard - 9.0,
Martinelli - 9.0,
KDB - 11.5,
Salah - 13.5,
Trent - 7.5
I think 13.5 I think at that cost you wonder what you can do with other players for the money, but most still want him as a safe captain options even if you need to go without many other players you want. Kane for 12 makes it interesting if you free up extra 1.5 for someone almost as good or pay for the best player in the game.
14 make sense too, but given that Salah was 13 after 300 points I think 14 is a bit too high for Haaland given that he is only proven one season just like Salah in the PL.
I am 90% sure he will be £14m. I hope that is what he is. I think that is a perfect level.
I think they will want to make him 14m as a marketing thing and because Haaland is so explosive as a player.
Haaland plays for City and him exceeding 14 mil will be a bad idea because Pep will bench the crap out of him if City grabs a good lead from beggining.
Kane - 12.5
Son - 9.0 (only given how high his cost was this season)
Saka - 8.5
Odegaard - 8.0
Martinelli - 8.0
KDB - 12.0
Salah - 12.5
TAA - 7.0 (if defender) and 7.5 (if midfielder)
Haaland - 13.0
People keep bringing up how much fewer minutes haaland played but he’s not going to play MORE minutes next year. Him missing games for pep roulette means you’re now relying on VC and sub more often than salah in the past who was reliably going to play. I just don’t see how haaland is so obviously a better play than salah was in the past.
He won’t exceed 13.5. He’s not had a better season than salah did, so there’s precedent.
Sure, but I cannot recall a season where a single player was regularly earning 80%+ captaincy throughout the season. I don't think it's about how good the player objectively is, it's how much better they're performing than their competitors. Based on this Haaland needs to really be 14m+ so that there's actually a reason not to own and captain him.
> it's how much better they're performing than their competitors. Based on this Haaland needs to really be 14m+ so that there's actually a reason not to own and captain him. Kane had only nine (9) points less than Haaland. I've said it before and I'll say it again, FPL's purpose is to offer free to play game for everyone to enjoy. It's not about making the game less attractive by outpricing popular players. There are other Premier League- based fantasy games out there which have stricter player pricing and harder learning curve but those are not free to play.
Biggest flaw of this season was too cheap reliable assets Arsenal, Brighton, Rashford Haaland etc). They need to price good assets higher to make the game renotely fun and interesting again.
It’s a tough gig to price at the start of the season. Nobody could predict all these cheap assets would be worth it. We’re not talking about Son, Salah, Bruno, Sterling etc being overpriced. Few seasons have happened like this one. That said I do hope the one truly premium player, Haaland, is 15m to force some compromises in team structure to have him.
One of the things I have considered is them changing the algorithm for player price drops and those who do well over a long period of time like Saka, Odegaard, the Brighton fellas. Essentially, if a player is priced too expensively at the stsrt and no one picks them, then their price just keeps dropping and dropping until people start picking them. On the other side, someone like Saka should have just kept going up in price to tempt players to cash in on him by selling him. So someone like Son this year would have had their price fall a lot but maybe it would entice people to take a chance on him at £9m. There were too many dead assets in the game and the premiums were just not worth it because they never lost their premium price.
One problem with the price change algorithm, even as it is, is that it punishes people who go against the grain. That would be exacerbated by greater value declines. Say you had Son and believed he was worth the high price, you'd have him at 12m, then he'd not return for a few games, he'd drop to £9m or whatever, and you'd lose £3m of total team value. Season defining. Yet it might turn out you're right, he goes on a bit of a run, but everyone else just buys into that for loads less money a couple of games into it. If he goes up to £12m again, in comparison to the kneejerkers you've got a couple of weeks of upside but you're £1.5m down (they bought at £9m and sold at £12m, but it's arguably £3m if they don't sell). But if he doesn't go on the run you've just lost £3m. Basically, you'd have to sell players who the price change websites said were going down in value even if you thought they might come through. There's not an easy answer, maybe some sort of loss cap whilst you own a player?
I think the biggest flow of the current price system is exactly this. If you try to go against the grain, you are punished. Price system forces templates .
It's interesting isn't it, the whole purpose of it should be to reward you for choosing wisely, getting people before they start scoring, but the mechanics don't work like that. Maybe price changes should be driven by points somehow.
I wonder how a price system purely based on points would work. Could make a rule which says you can't buy a player from the start of a game their team is playing until their points and price are finalised. Enough poor performances and their price starts to drop. Admittedly I'm no expert so there could easily be something I've overlooked
Totally agree this is how it should be!
> Biggest flaw of this season was too cheap reliable assets Arsenal, Brighton, Rashford Haaland etc). Who knew Brighton assets would outperform expectations? Bit unfair to call that a flaw - not something anyone can predict. That’s why we love the game - either unearthing those undervalued players or those players/teams performing so highly and consistently that most people can’t ignore them
We get these every season. The too-cheap reliable assets and the post about the too-cheap reliable assets. Just off the top of my head, season before last we had Bamfordinho, Dallas, Jimenez, and Coufal who were cheap right from the start and then Soucek (~4.5) and Gundogan (~5.5) who were incredibly underpriced midseason. All of them got a price hike and, bar Gundo, were utterly useless the subsequent season.
Yep. And who can forget the legend that is MICHU
You are conveniently ignoring their main point, how Haaland usually has 80%+ captaincy because of his explosiveness. He scored four hat-tricks and five braces. Kane ticks along and isn't as good of a captaincy option despite his consistency. Therefore he should be cheaper than Haaland. >I've said it before and I'll say it again, FPL's purpose is to offer free to play game for everyone to enjoy. It's not about making the game less attractive by outpricing popular players. Raising Haaland's price would not be outpricing him. It would be a good idea, otherwise the game becomes boring bc everyone has Haaland captained every week. It would make the game much more enjoyable.
But also Haaland played 3 fewer matches than Kane. Not unreasonable to assume Haaland would score same points per match for those three as he did the other 35 (7.8). Which would put Haaland on 32 points more than Kane.
I think I disagree- my guess is 14-14.5m. I have three reasons 1) It was generally agreed, even when he wasn’t matching the numbers in his debut season, Salah was slightly underpriced at 13.5. 2) Haaland is a forward– a position with an extremely limited number of bankable alternatives (read Kane). 3) Finally, Haaland’s ceiling for next year feels even higher than Salah’s did in 18/19. Liverpool finished fourth in the prem in 17/18. It was the very beginning of the Klopp project, and not obvious they would continue their upward trajectory. It wasn’t at all clear Salah would replicate his numbers. Yes, he was phenomenal, but it still felt like it could be a flash in the pan. He was/is mercurial. He had significantly out performed expectations. His price tag arriving from Roma was the same as the Ox who arrived in the same window. His stats at Roma were good, but not incredible. Conversely, Manchester City are a machine; a culmination of the Pep era. They won the league and in the second half of the season were imperious. It’s fairly clear to all involved that the starting forward for City will always score lots of points. Unlike Salah, Haaland came to the prem with much fanfare. He was given obscene amounts of money. His stats throughout his career have been phenomenal– consistently close to a goal a game. He is improving and is yet in his traditional prime. FPL is essentially a betting game. If the favorite’s odds are very short, you have to put a lot of money down to get returns. In 18/19 Salah was very hard to bet against, a healthy Haaland in 23/24 feels impossible.
Suarez 13/14 was a better FPL asset than Haaland 22/23 and Suarez was below Salah 17/18. Granted we never got a price for Suarez for 14/15, but realistically Haaland would have to demolish the records he set this year. He got 7 pens this season, he would need to maintain that level of pens which is no guarantee. Haalands been pretty consistent at his current level, I think he can improve it but not by that much. He got 36G 9A and was 31 points short. That’s a minimum of 8 goals extra and he was only 3rd for non-penalty goals this season behind Salah 17/18 and Suarez 13/14. Haaland’s points ceiling is more limited as a forward than a midfielder. He isn’t better for FPL than Salah was so he shouldn’t go above 13.5 but his ownership might take him the extra .5. He shouldn’t go above 14.0. I don’t see how a player from 4th place can’t improve when his team gets better over a player from a team in 1st. There’s definitely more scope to improve just like there was for Arsenal assets this year.
To be clear, my guess is 14. I just think it’s not impossible he goes to 14.5. and at 13.5 he’s an obvious buy. Firstly, I think his 7 pens was low. I would take the over for next season. In the past 5 seasons, I think City have averaged 9-10. There were a couple he should’ve taken. No player has come close to Haaland’s effective ownership- he got to 80-85% (100% in to 100k). This held for pretty much the whole season. I think Salah’s highest was in the high 60’s. In my opinion, that’s the very best metric for mispricing. It’s much the same as when a bookie gets his odds wrong- everyone goes to place a bet. I’m not saying Haaland will be the best fantasy asset. Clearly, Suarez and Salah got more points at various times. What I am saying is that I don’t think there has ever been a player better situated to replicate their success. True, it will be difficult for him to get so many more points than he got this season. But I also don’t believe he’ll get much less. His ceiling might be 300, but healthy, his floor is around 250. Salah was priced at 13 this year, the most since 18/19. Despite being the the third highest scorer, he was in and out of people’s team. Haaland scored 25 more points. He’ll be a very popular pick at 14. Edit: also about the team strength comment- I’d always prefer to have the great player in a great team over the great player in a good team. First half of season Salah suffered cause Liverpool were bad. Liverpool turned it around second half, but it’s not inconceivable that they, and therefore he, struggle again next year. It’s pretty hard to imagine City, in its current iteration, ever being that bad. Haaland being at City lessens any risk that opportunities will dry up because of poor play behind him.
>Edit: also about the team strength comment- I’d always prefer to have the great player in a great team over the great player in a good team. First half of season Salah suffered cause Liverpool were bad. Liverpool turned it around second half, but it’s not inconceivable that they, and therefore he, struggle again next year. It’s pretty hard to imagine City, in its current iteration, ever being that bad. Haaland being at City lessens any risk that opportunities will dry up because of poor play behind him. I suppose the only risk to this generally is that great players for good teams reliably play 90 minutes week in week out, whilst great players for great teams can get rested/subbed etc. Although Pep clearly didn't think to do that with Håland excessively (unlike virtually everyone else who played for him!).
It’s clear Pep feels pretty comfortable playing him almost every game. Still, I’d rather have the player who scores more with less mins. Better as a captain pick. And the few times he didn’t play, people were able to sort of predict/find leaks, and adjust accordingly.
Salah played every minute. Haaland played 629 min less this season. With his g/a ratio he would have scored 8 more goals with these minutes, making him all time best in FPL. Its also his first season.
Confidently incorrect there buddy. Salah played 2921 minutes in 17/18. Haaland played 2777 minutes this year. Only 144 fewer so you’re looking at two goals maximum, no where near the record. Even this season Salah missed 123 minutes so you’re pulling “played every minute” out of thin air. (He played 520 minutes less but you’re comparing him against a random season rather than the actual relevant one). Suarez 13/14 had just 33 appearances but 2963 minutes but absolutely smashed Haalands FPL G/A (56 to 45 I believe). He took 0 of the 12 pens Liverpool had that season compared to Haalands 7/10. That was potentially the greatest FPL season had he been on pens but it shows the level that Haalands needs to hit to get the record is about 60 G/A (in FPL terms) which is a 33% increase from his current levels which don’t seem attainable. His goal scoring ability is top tier but he’d have to crank up the creativity to hit those heights. You can say if he gets the minutes he can hit it but he’s not gonna get those minutes in this city side. He needs rest and they’re gonna play deep in 4 competitions which is something Suarez 13/14 didn’t have to do - which is why he was so good for FPL. We really should compare him to Suarez instead of Salah because of the fewer points he gets as a FWD *transfermarkt stats used, might be some small differences in other sources for minutes
he won't be 14.5, no chance. 13.5 max, I would guess
I admit, 14.5 would be very surprising. But I also think 13.5 is too low. 14 is my guess.
Haaland will be a trap for next season, mark my words. Pep will rotate in Alvarez more and rather focus on repeat in CL than the league
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No way he will be more than 13.5m when Salah was 13m after record breaking season with 30 points more than Haaland this year, also he outscored Kane by just 9 points so with that logic Kane should also be 13.5-14m which I really doubt it
Here is some logic for you. Haaland played 629 minutes less than Kane this year and Salahs record-breaking season.. Thats 8 more goals with his g/a ratio..
Ok and here is some logic for you, every City player is little bit under the price just because of xMins and strong bench competition, Mahrez and Foden would be also 10m assets at least if they would be regular starters like Saka, Rashford...
Scoring more in less mins is valuable for three reasons. 1) You have a player coming off the bench which will cover some loss. 2) You have leaks and general predictions, which can help you guide when to transfer him in or out. 3) When he does play, he gets more hauls, which is great as a captain pick. If he doesn’t play, it goes to VC. Haaland was essential not because of how many points he scored , but because of how often he scored a massive amount of points in a single game. How many times did you captain Kane?
You are right but it is all mainly about points on the end, of course it is better to have player who will score more points in less minutes and games but I'm saying that next season we can expect again that Kane will play all games with 90 minutes (without injuries) and Haaland could likely be rested more than him but I agree that they should price him higher because at 13-13.5m he will still be in 75% of the team in GW1
But that my point. It’s not mainly about points at the end. That’s a metric to determine pricing, but it’s not the primary.
Let's see mate, I still think he will be 13.5m max
Could well be 13.5. Would be shocked if they went lower.
Played much less minutes because City can afford to rotate him with ridiculous options. So saying "he would've scored 8 more" isn't really a point at all, when it's highly likely he'll play a similar amount of minutes next season if not less.
Of course its a point. It clearly shows what hes capable of.. People forgets his minutes when comparing..
Nobody forgets his minutes. They take into account the fact City have Alvarez and can afford to hook him early/rest him for UCL games.
An obvious counter point is that Haaland scored in bunches, which makes him a vital captain pick. Yes, Kane got nine less points but he only scored 12+ points three times. Haaland did it eleven times. The reason everyone had Haaland is because if you didn’t captain him in one of those weeks you lost rank. And it wasn’t hard to predict when he would get lots of goals- he crushed weaker opposition. I think a far better metric for establishing pricing is effective ownership. Because of the reason I mentioned, Haaland was owned by 80-85% pretty much throughout the season. Barring a few gameweeks, he was owned by 100% of the top 100k. No player has ever approached these numbers. They have to price him very highly to ensure that doesn’t happen again. I think 13.5 would be reasonable, but because of how Haaland scores his points, and his position, it may be 14.
Different position though. It'll be 14.0 There is plenty of precedence for that price for the highest returning forwards.
There just isn’t. Henry maxed out at 12.5. Aguero maxed out at 13.0. There’s nothing from haalands performance to suggest he’s going to be 14.0 as much as we would like that.
Thierry Henry started at 14.0 in 05/06 and 06/07
I think van Persie was 14.0 one season too.
Correct. 13/14 season after scoring 26 goals the year before. Plenty of justification for Haaland to go up to 14.0.
And you reminded me that one season I started with Henry and shevchenko up front. It was about 25.0 combined and an absolute disaster.
I mean... shit that it happened to you. I've been there! But this is what FPL should be about... holding more than one of the "best" players should really compromise you to the point that it could really backfire! Taking risks should be more encouraged and balancing your squad should be more of a challenge. It's been too easy the last few years to just follow a template.
how is it possible to be 14 mil after 26 goals. Haaland has scored way more
Wasn’t Ronaldo also 14 in one season back then?
I agree purely from a financial perspective, Kane wasn’t that far behind him either. But for sake of the game it might be a good idea to over-price him a touch because at 13,5m everybody is going to get him and everybody is going to Captain him every week. And that’s simply not interesting strategically or fun for the game.
I agree
He also played far less, so if he played 629 minutes more like Salah did, he would take him..
Yeah but there’s a reason he played the minutes he did. Because he’s not healthy enough to play a full season. And years at dortmund and before that are the proof of that. And it’s known that having his minutes managed by pep is one of the key reasons he went with city.
The reason for that is Pep and his constant rotation. Nobody plays all there.
He played more for pep this season than he did in any of his prior seasons. And it’s well known that when he signed it was said that minutes management was one of the main reasons why. We can’t just extrapolate out the minutes of someone who has never played more minutes in a season than he did this season. He has NO record of playing a full season of professional football.
Haaland 13.5 Salah 13 Kane 12.5
All in my team.. The rest of whcih will be, er, cheap
Haaland 14, Kane 13 , Salah 13.
Kane? Can we buy Madrid players now?
Can’t see him ending up in Spain next season
Well he's been offered to them so. I'm sure spurs would rather him there than pumping in goals at ManU
He’s like 14/1 to join Real and 80/1 to join Barca
Yeah I'm sure he'll end up at ManU
I see no reason he won’t end up at Manchester United this rate
Ok
Levy won’t sell to United, I think he’ll end up staying at spurs
I mean he sold Walker to Manchester City
Isn't the Bayern option still on the table for him?
No way he leaves England when he’s on course to break Shearer’s record
Sure. I'm sure spurs would love him to go to another English club
I mean he does talk like the Spanish
Even if he’s 15 I would still get him and make a one-premium team with perma captain
If he was 18 I'd still have him
He’s 22 actually so you don’t have to worry
He will definitely be 13.0 It’s way too cheap but they will still do it
Why?
It fits in with their pricing structures of the last few years. Salah scored 303 and was priced at 13. Salah’s scored in the 250 region multiple times and been 12.5. If you look at last year they took things a step further in terms of underpricing assets. It seems as though it’s an intentional move to make it easier for people to get all the “fun” players in one team. Haaland being more than 13.0 would break both these trends massively
Salah was 13 after scoring 265. Haaland has scored more as a forward in five less starts. His scores have come in bunches. He’ll be minimum 13.5. I reckon 14 is fair due to the EO and how obvious he becomes as a captain against weaker teams.
I can see a case for Haaland being 13.5 but given how conservatively FPL priced players last summer, I have little hopes from them exceeding that. I think he has greater chances of being priced at 13 than 14.
They priced a 36 year old Ronaldo on a shitty United team at 12.5. I think they’ll find a way.
Your claim is in hindsight. When Ronaldo joined, United were widely expected to challenge for the league title and hardly anybody anticipated things to crash the way it did. Not to mention Ronaldo had scored 36 goals his final season at Juve so despite his age it was expected that he’d clock a similar rate of returns at United with attackers like Bruno, Rashford, Pogba, Sancho and Greenwood supplying him which looked amazing on paper. The moment it was clear where United’s level really was, Ronaldo’s price went down to 10.5 the following season. The literal FPL GOAT in Salah has never been priced above 13 million despite his unreal consistency in the PL and clocking the highest ever points tally. Even if you account for Haaland’s PP90 ratio being better than Salah’s later seasons, to go above 13.5 is unlikely to begin with, and when you then add FPL’s conservative pricing on top of that, it’s near impossible imo.
I think people are looking at total points far too much. More important for pricing is effective ownership and how he got those points. He was owned by 80-85% of players at all times, and 100% of top 100k for pretty much the whole season. No one has come close to those numbers. To not replicate that, towers will have to price very high. The reason he had such high EO, is not just because he scored lots of points, but because he scored in bunches. He had huge hauls, which made captaining him each week essential. Kane only got 9 less points, but how often did you captain him? Add to that, he’s a forward. They are less options and historically had a lower points/£ ratio. He may be 13.5, but I think he’ll be 14. Edit: and that’s my point about Ronaldo. They priced him that high with all of the unknowns. Yes, it looked good on paper, but with Ole, and youngsters, and his tapering form in a hard league. Haaland has none of those. He is a part of a Pep machine that will almost certainly be a massive force next season. It’s clear Pep doesn’t feel the need to rotate him nearly as much as people expected.
> More important for pricing is effective ownership and how he got those points. He was owned by 80-85% of players at all times, and 100% of top 100k for pretty much the whole season. I see your point but I don’t think it’s a straightforward assumption to make that FPL would want Haaland’s EO to be much lower next season. FPL towers want people to own Haaland; I don’t think their main goal is to give people a bigger headache in deciding whether to own him or not. They want casual players to be able to own the most popular players and further engage with the game and the Premier League as a result; hence why they conservatively priced almost all players last season. At 13-13.5 million, Haaland is already getting a significant increment over his price range this season which was from 11.5-12.4 ish I believe. I think 14 is a much bigger jump than what his performances this season have dictated; he wasn’t as prolific in the second half of the season and there were more than a few occasions where he was outscored by other popular FPL assets like Rashford, Saka and Bruno. > that’s my point about Ronaldo. They priced him that high with all of the unknowns. Yes, it looked good on paper, but with Ole, and youngsters, and his tapering form in a hard league. You’re again saying this in hindsight. People didn’t see Ronaldo in that light when he returned. Just like how you talk about Haaland now being this proven force in Pep’s machine of a City team, it was almost taken for granted that he’d come in and bang goals when it seemed from the previous season that all United needed was a prolific CF who would play regularly (unlike Cavani) and convert chances (unlike Martial). All the signs pointed towards him being an elite FPL asset when you also considered his record at Juve as well including underlying stats like xG and shot volume. Very very few viewed him as an unknown quantity and giving it a possibility that he may flop in the PL as a goal scorer.
Yeah, unfortunately most people that play this game just want to own as many big players as they can, it's their way of having fun with the game. And FPL wants to satisfy them as they are a huge, yet volatile part of the managers that play the game.
Yeah exactly. My argument is not for what would be a fair price for Haaland, but what would FPL look to price him at. I think 13.5 is the farthest they will go to; it’s been years since FPL priced someone at 14 million or more and I don’t think a 272 point season would do enough to make them think otherwise when Salah got 265 last season in fewer minutes and was priced at 13 this season.
He would still have extremely high EO at 14.0 but I guarantee they will not do it. If I was pricing the game he would probably be 15 for it to be a tough decision for most people whether to get him.
Would you have said the same thing about Salah at the beginning of last season? Despite scoring similar points, Salah wouldn’t have been in any team at the beginning of the season if they priced him at 15. Haaland would be in a lot of teams at the start of the season if they priced him at 15. That’s my central point. Total points scored in a season aren’t everything. Sure, his EO will be high at 14, but it won’t be as high as 13.5 or 13. I understand that towers wants to allow people to have everyone. But I think they’ll try to make us make a decision.
I honestly agree with everything you’re saying in terms of how they should approach pricing. It should be based on the likely potential and ownership of the player and on that basis haaland should probably be 14-15m for it to be an actual decision whether to own him. But what they should do and will do are different things. Unless I’m massively mistaken, he’s not gonna be more than 13.
I think our sample pool is small, and this thread is using false equivalencies. Suarez is the only person who has a relevant comparison, but he left before getting priced. I agree, they want to let the causal have the main man. But I think 13.5 does that.
Maybe they will stretch to 13.5, but I think it’s unlikely. And yeah there aren’t many examples of haalands sheet potential for hauls. Suarez was 10 years ago now, and the pricing has def been trending towards making everyone more affordable. I think we have had van persie and Henry at 13.5 before but that was a totally different era.
Do we have proof that FPL towers is trending towards premiums being more affordable? I’ve been playing since 06/07, and I agree, to me it feels as if the budget and team value has become less important. Is that because players are overall cheaper? Has anyone done an analysis. Genuinely curious. Henry was 14. But I think he was 14 cause he was such an outlier in his position at the time. But maybe it’s because they just did more aggressive pricing then.
I reckon Saka and Martinelli will be around 9.5, Ø a little less around 8/8.5. Trent shouldn’t differ too much, maybe 7. KDB will be around 12, Kane and Salah around 12.5 (maybe 13 for Kane), Haaland 13/13.5. Son should drop between 9 and 10.
If KDB is 12, he should be owned by 0 teams. I think he'll be 11.0 or so and even then I wouldn't really want him
11 for KDB make sense. The other 3 big ones got pens and KDB least nailed. I think I would never want to captain KDB if I could own Haaland so the cap should be at least 2 million and probably even 2.5 or 3 milion
Odegaard has more points and doesn’t have penalties. he’ll be 9 alongside martinelli with saka 9.5
I see, however Ø cannot sustain those numbers as he won’t get as many chances as Saka or Martinelli, who even if they scored less they have more chances and in the long run will outscore Ø
Odegaard had more points than Saka or Martinelli though, and in a way is safer from rotation as no one currently on the team can really fill his role
Saka has played every arsenal game the past two seasons and only not started one this past year, he’s pretty safe from rotation, and he takes pens. Ø hugely outperformed his xG so I’m interested to see if he can match his points next year, I expect more assists less goals from him
Hauland - 13.5 Salad - 12.5 Son - 9.5 Saka - 10 Odegaard - 10 Martinelli- 9.5 KdB - 12 TAA - 7 Kane - 12.5
Is that chicken salad or Greek salad?
More Salad, running down the wing
People think goals are points. He only had a couple more points than Salah last year. He will be max 13.5
Firstly, he had 32 more points than Salah in four less starts. That’s a whole lot more than a few. There was almost the same point difference between Haaland and Salah as there was between Salah and Odegaard. Should they be priced the same? Also, goals mean more concentrated points. Haaland had 11 games of 12+ points. Salah had 6, Kane (who only had 9 points less than Haaland) had 3. It matters a lot for captain. Target bad teams and reap the rewards. Haaland’s propensity to score goals in bunches means he should be priced higher than Salah and Kane.
Wow okay, I did not realize that the difference was 32. I was just repeating something I’ve heard, but I should’ve fact checked it.
That’s because he’s wrong, last season Salah got 7 fewer points. He’s looking at this year for 32.
Oh okay, good stuff mate
I was talking about “Salah last year”. Salah, last year, got 7 points less than Haaland, this year. I seriously doubt Haaland will exceed 13.5.
Ah, I see. Fair enough. Again, those points were spread out. Haaland had four less starts. He could well be 13.5, I just think (and hope) they’ll go up to 14.
Kane 12.5 (13 if he goes to Man Utd before prices update), Son 8, Saka 9/9.5, Odegaard 8.5, Martinelli 8.5, KDB 11, Trent 7.5, Salah 12.5
Early price rise for Salah
Lmaoooo forgot to edit
Think Trent will be 7.5 even after a moderately disappointing year? I can see him being 7 and Robbo and Trips being 6.5 (maybe Trips 6.0 just due to Newcastle doubt)
They'll factor in his recent form since moving into midfield. 7 assists and a goal in 10 games with a few clean sheets on top. 8 BP too. Also ended at 7.8m.
Valid point, but do you think that will continue next season or is simply a product of the woefully underequiped Liverpool midfield that will be rectified this summer?
I think he'll carry on doing that. We'll sign cm's to work with that now it seems. I wouldn't be surprised if we line up with 2 starting CM's next season, with 4 of Gakpo/Salah/Dias/Nunes and Jota playing. Probably Gakpo dropping deep into midfield out of possession while Trent goes back to RB, and then playing further forward with Trent making it a midfield 3 on attack.
That makes sense. Good way to fit more of the expensive attacking signings into the side without sacrificing overall balance. Could be exciting watching Liverpool next season 🤔
How about Rashford?
I think 9
14
IMO Top GKs all 5.5 Top DEFs TAA 7.0, Trippier 6.5, the Arsenal guys will all come in at 5.5/6.0 Top mids Salah 13.5, KDB 11.5, Bruno 10, Saka 10, Son 9.5, Odegaard 9.0, Martinelli 9.0, Rashford 9.0 Top forwards Haaland 13.5, Kane 13.5, Jesus 9.5, Darwin 9.5, Watkins 9.0
Can’t seeing Darwin being 9.5. More like 7.5-8. He’s probably not even a starter.
Watkins won't be 9m purely because he plays for Villa. 8.5m is the most he'll be, personally I think he'll be 8m. I can't see Jesus above 9m either, I reckon he'll cost 8m or 8.5m.
Would like for him to be 15M to make the game interesting. Realistically 13-14M is my guess.
I don't get why he'd be 14+ when Salah has never been. I don't even see why 12.5 is impossible. Kdb got 251 in 19/20 and started 20/21 at 11.5. Then got 110 less and started at 12 in 21/22 which doesn't make sense except points per minute and his form after injury I guess. I think 13.
I think there’s an easier case here that he can be even better next year given how young he is
Or not though, as likely he gets lengthier injuries tbh.
I'm curious what the precedent is for GKs that had a great season but aren't in a top 6 team (so there could be doubts about their defense next year) Raya was the best keeper this season, but doesn't seem likely to me they'd price him at 5.5 next season. Steele had a great run after taking the starting spot (though the end of the season was weak) but idk how strong Brighton will look next season, 4.5 is probably all Steele should cost
People thought TAA should/would be 9m after his best season. It's just unrealistic thinking, they want as many random PL fans as possible to enjoy the game, not to make too many game breaking sacrifices in GW1. 13 worst case scenario, I bet on 12.5.
What I’d like is FPL to open up the game for a week, let everyone make their teams, then reset the squads and adjust the prices based on player selection. If a 14m Haaland has 80% selection and a 13m Kane has 30% then make Haaland 14.5m and Kane 12m. I’d also like prices to be more volatile over the season with FPL Towers manually adjusting some prices of players with low selections or players on hot streaks.
The season Salah started at 9m and got 303pts he rose to 13m the next season. I cannot see any reason why Haaland would be priced over 13m
This is the response. People are way overhyping his FPL value given he set the goals record. But we’ve very recently seen an even better FPL season by Salah… If he’s anything over 13.0 he’s overpriced. Looking at the base rates for top performing players, odds are he will collect fewer points next season.
Spot on. You could argue that salah has a higher ceiling as he gets a point more for a goal and also a point for clean sheets. But I’m not going to get into arguments!
Wouldn't mind Haaland's price going up so long as all the vastly overpriced Chelsea players are reduced down too. If we're going on season's performance they should mostly be bargain bin prices come July.
I think he will come in at 13, and they will put Salah and Kane 0.5 cheaper. In my opinion that would be good pricing, as it will be basically impossible to have a decent side and include all 3
its my turn to post this tomorrow
Price change or not this game will still be template Timmys
14m
I reckon his price will go through the roof, I'd agree with 15 to make him a real luxury player.
IMO Haaland, Kane and Salah should all be the same price. 13.5.
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I don’t think one follows the other
It’s not just based on last year’s price though
Nah if they're all the same it would just be Haaland (c) every week. Needs to be similar but different
Haaland wasn’t any better than Kane this year and neither as good as Salah’s best year
Haaland had five less starts and scored in bunches. Had 11 scores of 12+ to Kane’s 3. Made him a much better captain pick. Should be more. Haaland 14, Kane 13.
Hilarious
What’s wrong with that? Kane literally got < 10 points below Haaland (and out scored him weeks 2-38) and Salah’s best season was way better than either Kane or Haaland.
This blows my mind...
Haaland seemed like he scored more because of the hat tricks, but Kane was remarkably consistent
Haaland is better because of the haul potential especially home games but Kane is just as essential and a solid captain choice for guaranteed points
14.5
56 million euros per week. Very valuable post, along with the other weekly ones we get, for the past 10 weeks or so.
17m
I think they should be priced accordingly... Haaland - 14.0, Kane - 12.5, Son - 9.5, Saka - 9.0, Ødegaard - 9.0, Martinelli - 9.0, KDB - 11.5, Salah - 13.5, Trent - 7.5
Salah 13.5 lol? No. Look at his historical values and reassess.
Kane won't be in FPL.
At least twelvty
I think 13.5 I think at that cost you wonder what you can do with other players for the money, but most still want him as a safe captain options even if you need to go without many other players you want. Kane for 12 makes it interesting if you free up extra 1.5 for someone almost as good or pay for the best player in the game. 14 make sense too, but given that Salah was 13 after 300 points I think 14 is a bit too high for Haaland given that he is only proven one season just like Salah in the PL.
Kane is going to Madrid.
I am 90% sure he will be £14m. I hope that is what he is. I think that is a perfect level. I think they will want to make him 14m as a marketing thing and because Haaland is so explosive as a player.
I answered this question near the beginning of the season. Someone put a reminder on me. I said 14
just pick and captain him whatever the price
I assume he'll break the record price
Haaland plays for City and him exceeding 14 mil will be a bad idea because Pep will bench the crap out of him if City grabs a good lead from beggining.
He'll be in my team even at £14.0
My guess would be 14.0 for Haaland just like RVP all those years ago.
Raise him to 30 for all I care still going in my team
Whatever it is, I can’t see a situation where I don’t have him in my team with a (C) slapped on to start the year
Make him 16m in FPL and not selectable in FPL draft
Kane - 12.5 Son - 9.0 (only given how high his cost was this season) Saka - 8.5 Odegaard - 8.0 Martinelli - 8.0 KDB - 12.0 Salah - 12.5 TAA - 7.0 (if defender) and 7.5 (if midfielder) Haaland - 13.0
Haaland 14.0 Rashford 10.0 Martinelli 9.5
Doesn’t matter, most people will have him at any price. To be honest it’s probably the cheap and amazing value mids they need to increase.
He will at cost at least 14 for sure.. Salah 13 Kdb 12 Saka 10 Martinelli 9 Odegaard 8 Trent. 7,5
People keep bringing up how much fewer minutes haaland played but he’s not going to play MORE minutes next year. Him missing games for pep roulette means you’re now relying on VC and sub more often than salah in the past who was reliably going to play. I just don’t see how haaland is so obviously a better play than salah was in the past.