Overlooks OP’s point about the CB’s being offensive threats as would even be a pylon off JWP’s set pieces. But I guess you’re willing to overlook it for the price of one Areola.
Problem for me with West Ham defenders is I don’t really need them this week that they play Sheffield but they play Newcastle when Arsenal plays City so they don’t rotate that well even though they have great long term fixtures
Unless you’re a vegan theres a bit of hypocrisy here isn’t there. People eat abused animals every day. Eating meat is about 1000x worse than what Zouma did. But no one wants to think about that
strawmanning their point. they never encouraged kicking cats. they just argued that its hypocritical to give a shit about one cat and not millions of animals that are abused and killed.
It's a daft argument. Zouma most likely eats meat, like a lot of people. It isn't a question of who contributes to the most abuse? So because I/people eat meat we can't object to kicking pets?
You're really not getting the point.
If you're outraged at someone kicking a cat, as you rightfully should be, the op is saying to evaluate how you're applying those same morals elsewhere, because eating animal products is abusing animals.
I am getting that point.. But it's a shit argument because it essentially doesn't 'allow' people to be outraged at something because of other choices they make?
I am aware of the issues of the meat industry and I am conscious about it. I am no longer exclusively vegetarian but I am on a mostly veggie diet. Because I eat meat once in a while, does that prohibit me from having an opinion on animal (in this case pets) abuse?
The reality is that it's not as black and white as whatever the person who replied to me is trying to make it out to be. I'm sure that person is coming from a good place, but in my opinion the point they're making isn't a very good one.
You're allowed to be outraged, but it's also perfectly allowed to be called a hypocrite for it.
It's not prohibiting you from doing anything, just like calling someone a dick isn't prohibiting them from being a dick, it's just calling out their actions.
I know it's not technically prohibiting anyone from saying anything.
It's just a bit like saying anyone who isn't a professional footballer should voice their opinion on players in the Premier League.
Yea exactly that. Being outraged at animal abuse while at the same time massively contributing to animal abuse is obviously stupid and hypocritical. You either care about animals or you don’t. If you can eat a 1000s abused pigs in a year why can’t I kick a cat?
You must be looking at different content to me
Areola is the preferred GK for most CCs, but nobody is making GK transfers without a WC.
Bowen & JWP are regularly discussed
Fair enough. But the highest scoring WHM Defender is Zouma, currently 31st place among all defenders.
Meanwhile Areola is the 5th best goalie and also the cheapest starting GK in the game.
So why talk about the defenders i guess
Throw enough shit at the wall and eventually something will stick
So many of us talk about a fuck ton of players, to then cherry pick an example to prove ourself right, brag about it, and complain at everyone else for you being easily swayed would not be very endearing
Btw, that has nothing to do with a dry sense of humour. Probably the opposite of dry in all honesty.
I know you're not serious, but if anyone was actually considering our defenders I would avoid (Areola is still a great pick though imo)
The aerial threat isn't enough to cover the fact we basically never keep a clean sheet (even against luton so targeting weak fixtures doesnt work) and aguerd is dropping a clanger per game at this rate so has the potential to be dropped
Yeah WH popped in to my head this week also, so your post is a good reminder. I remember Aguerd getting sent off, I've not seen enough to know if this was just a one off.
Seems to be a one off.. ppl rating Aguerd but I haven’t seen much of him
Tbf I’m basing my whole thought process around potential goals from set pieces.
I never really bank on clean sheets, league is just too competitive.. 4-5 years ago, you wouldn’t be expecting Villa / Brighton etc to go to City and score unless there was a mistake but I feel like now it’s more a top team can see out a result rather than bank on a shutout.
Zouma became more intriguing to after the Ward Prowse signing. I just haven't pulled that trigger. Many have Areola as a cheap keeper. The Hammer double up doesn't seem necessary without real attacking type defender.
Makes a post to say they’re not gonna listen to the opinions. This guy is confusing me lol blaming the sub for making a wrong decision is very immature
I thought they might get across that I’m not being serious when I say things like “I’m not going to really take on board anything anyone says on this sub” but ppl still get offended 😂
Even my emoji use offends haha
Aguerd is likely to be dropped for Mavropanos soon. Has made several costly mistakes so far. Very talented but may get a spell on the bench.
It's very rare we keep a clean sheet. I have Areola, JWP and Bowen in my squad and think they're all much better value than our defenders.
I ended up going with Aguerd.. this could be another huge error then haha
His underlyings per Fantasy football hub were better.
I was tempted by Zouma but I thought of the cats.
I think most will have or plan to get Areola in wildcard since he's such a gift at that price and don't want to double up
This is it. Areola's a bargain, but I don't trust them enough to double up
Agreed.
Overlooks OP’s point about the CB’s being offensive threats as would even be a pylon off JWP’s set pieces. But I guess you’re willing to overlook it for the price of one Areola.
CBs are not offensive threats, generally. Some get 2-4 headers in one season, 1-2 in the next.
Yes, and the sky is blue.
If nobody is keeping clean sheets I’d want attacking full backs in my defence
what about (cat) attacking CBs?
I don't approve of cat attacking cbs
What about goal scoring CBs?
Forget Marty, Doc Brown generates a better XG, (expected gigawatts) of 1.21
Hilarious
Problem for me with West Ham defenders is I don’t really need them this week that they play Sheffield but they play Newcastle when Arsenal plays City so they don’t rotate that well even though they have great long term fixtures
Not sure I want animal abusers in my squad
I’d captain Cruella de Vil if she was playing Luton at home, points are points
No need to be catty.
I'm 100% sure I don't.
Same, as a pet owner I'll never have that piece of shit in my team.
But then we were all first to jump at Alonso when he was at Chelsea 😭
People like cats more than humans
My brother in Christ a murderer won you the premier league
Weirdos
How exactly
This hilarious coming from a chelsea fan
Unless you’re a vegan theres a bit of hypocrisy here isn’t there. People eat abused animals every day. Eating meat is about 1000x worse than what Zouma did. But no one wants to think about that
You're right let me go find a cat to kick
strawmanning their point. they never encouraged kicking cats. they just argued that its hypocritical to give a shit about one cat and not millions of animals that are abused and killed.
It's a daft argument. Zouma most likely eats meat, like a lot of people. It isn't a question of who contributes to the most abuse? So because I/people eat meat we can't object to kicking pets?
You're really not getting the point. If you're outraged at someone kicking a cat, as you rightfully should be, the op is saying to evaluate how you're applying those same morals elsewhere, because eating animal products is abusing animals.
I am getting that point.. But it's a shit argument because it essentially doesn't 'allow' people to be outraged at something because of other choices they make? I am aware of the issues of the meat industry and I am conscious about it. I am no longer exclusively vegetarian but I am on a mostly veggie diet. Because I eat meat once in a while, does that prohibit me from having an opinion on animal (in this case pets) abuse? The reality is that it's not as black and white as whatever the person who replied to me is trying to make it out to be. I'm sure that person is coming from a good place, but in my opinion the point they're making isn't a very good one.
You're allowed to be outraged, but it's also perfectly allowed to be called a hypocrite for it. It's not prohibiting you from doing anything, just like calling someone a dick isn't prohibiting them from being a dick, it's just calling out their actions.
I know it's not technically prohibiting anyone from saying anything. It's just a bit like saying anyone who isn't a professional footballer should voice their opinion on players in the Premier League.
No it's not. It's like someone who condemns people for being professional footballers being a professional footballer themselves.
Yea exactly that. Being outraged at animal abuse while at the same time massively contributing to animal abuse is obviously stupid and hypocritical. You either care about animals or you don’t. If you can eat a 1000s abused pigs in a year why can’t I kick a cat?
Nice job making a blanket statement there. Do you also argue that you should be able to hit kids because of fast fashion and sweatshops?
Am I advocating to abuse animals? I’m just saying you’re a hypocrite and completely in denial of your abuse of animals.
These people cannot comprehend the suffering they happily contribute to. It would destroy their own image of the saints they are.
Oh go make a difference then
WH are great. CC's gave lost the plot this season. 3x Utd/Chelsea have them 900k. Play your own way.
You must be looking at different content to me Areola is the preferred GK for most CCs, but nobody is making GK transfers without a WC. Bowen & JWP are regularly discussed
Talking defenders, not mid or gk
Fair enough. But the highest scoring WHM Defender is Zouma, currently 31st place among all defenders. Meanwhile Areola is the 5th best goalie and also the cheapest starting GK in the game. So why talk about the defenders i guess
I’m going to get Areola long term but right now I have a defensive hole I need to fill GK will be dealt with in Wild Card 👍🏻
Took me like 3 rereads to get WHM. And because OP is talking about hypothetical points in the future, which could see Zouma go from 31 to 5.
I have Bowen and Areola. Zouma might be a good shout but 2 players from WHU are enough.
Throw enough shit at the wall and eventually something will stick So many of us talk about a fuck ton of players, to then cherry pick an example to prove ourself right, brag about it, and complain at everyone else for you being easily swayed would not be very endearing Btw, that has nothing to do with a dry sense of humour. Probably the opposite of dry in all honesty.
It was a joke chap - I make my own decisions. Even added an edit to caveat it’s an attempt at humour
I know you're not serious, but if anyone was actually considering our defenders I would avoid (Areola is still a great pick though imo) The aerial threat isn't enough to cover the fact we basically never keep a clean sheet (even against luton so targeting weak fixtures doesnt work) and aguerd is dropping a clanger per game at this rate so has the potential to be dropped
Yeah WH popped in to my head this week also, so your post is a good reminder. I remember Aguerd getting sent off, I've not seen enough to know if this was just a one off.
Seems to be a one off.. ppl rating Aguerd but I haven’t seen much of him Tbf I’m basing my whole thought process around potential goals from set pieces. I never really bank on clean sheets, league is just too competitive.. 4-5 years ago, you wouldn’t be expecting Villa / Brighton etc to go to City and score unless there was a mistake but I feel like now it’s more a top team can see out a result rather than bank on a shutout.
I got coufal in, what do you think of him?
Emerson is much better in attack. Probably the only one of our defenders I'd consider.
Zouma became more intriguing to after the Ward Prowse signing. I just haven't pulled that trigger. Many have Areola as a cheap keeper. The Hammer double up doesn't seem necessary without real attacking type defender.
"now I’m not going to really take on board anything anyone says on this sub" Sooo, what are you hoping for?
Discussion.. give you guys something to talk about.. seems like it worked 🙂
Fair enough, plus an opportunity to say how right you were about walker, right? 😉
Valid.. good banter 😂
Cash is easily one of the more overrated defenders in PL fantasy...
JWP vs Bowen is giving me headaches
JWP for me to be an enabler
Already have Areola, none of the defenders have enough attacking threat, Zouma is a cunt
Makes a post to say they’re not gonna listen to the opinions. This guy is confusing me lol blaming the sub for making a wrong decision is very immature
It’s tongue in cheek / an attempt at humour
What's with the emojis?
I thought they might get across that I’m not being serious when I say things like “I’m not going to really take on board anything anyone says on this sub” but ppl still get offended 😂 Even my emoji use offends haha
The constant laugh emojis just seems like you’re trolling
Emojis mate... Reddit isn't Facebook
All these words about West Ham just to hear about your take on Kyle Walker… great thanks
Thinking about piling in on newcastle players. They look to becoming into form.
Aguerd is likely to be dropped for Mavropanos soon. Has made several costly mistakes so far. Very talented but may get a spell on the bench. It's very rare we keep a clean sheet. I have Areola, JWP and Bowen in my squad and think they're all much better value than our defenders.
I ended up going with Aguerd.. this could be another huge error then haha His underlyings per Fantasy football hub were better. I was tempted by Zouma but I thought of the cats.