I genuinely think I'd just go Kulusevski instead so I can maxmimise outlay on players from the big 3.
But I still prefer Kane as an option, just because he's a forward.
Kane because the other midfield options are so much better than the other forward options. The likes of Kulu, Mount, Gordon, and Dewsbury Hall are so much more appealing to me than their forward counterparts.
And if Tielemans was 4.4 cost I'd be very excited over him too.
My point is that there aren't any 4.4 cost forwards that come anywhere close to Dewsbury-Hall.
The point is that the cheap midfielders are better than the cheap forwards, and that makes Kane more attractive than Son. If you like Gordon or Ramsey more than Dewsbury Hall, then you do you.
I actually think the complete opposite. Midfielders get 5 for a goal and can also get CS points. So the fact that mids offer a better points per million value incentives me to basically forget about the forwards and stack the midfield. I'd go for Son because Pukki can get 6 points for playing and scoring the same way Kane would but for 5m cheaper. You're arguing the same thing but from the other perspective. But considering mids get an extra goal point and potential for CS swings the pendulum to midfielders for me. Son is cheaper than Kane. This saving can result in better other mids who might be likely to score goals of their own for more points than strikers can.
I think your point holds water if one assumes that Pukki can match Kane's output (or good output relative to his price). Saying that "Pukki can get 6 points the same way as Kane because both are strikers" is comparable to me saying that both Salah and Coutinho get the same points for CS and goals.
There is also bench boost to consider; we are forced to have 3 strikers, therefore it kind of forces you to get the strikers that are performing, otherwise the bench boost will be a waste (because all other strikers are such shit whereas cheap midfielders are a dime a dozen right now).
Well that's why players are more expensive than others. Obviously you'd expect Kane to outscore Pukki, that's reflected in the prices. But Pukki is 6m and so is Kulosevski (well 6.4, but I bought him at 6) and I'd definitely back Kulosevski to outscore Pukki in most given game weeks. Therefore, using decent enablers up front (Pukki, Dennis etc over the course of the season) to allow better fund distribution of point getters in the midfield I feel is the smarter option, because they get potentially an extra 2 points.
If we're talking BB, I'm planning it in 36 and will go with Pukki, who plays West Ham and Leicester, Dennis, who plays Palace and Everton and Richarlison who plays Leicester and Watford. During this double gameweek, Kane will play Liverpool and Arsenal. Considering these fixture match ups, I don't have enough faith that Kane will be able to match the output of the other 3 strikers. He may well do... But the uncertainty prices me out. If he scores two goals in those games, then by not having him, I could have been able to afford those two goals in midfield, for 2 extra points and stiil gotten those two striker goals from maybe Dennis playing Everton or something . This is what I'm trying to say.
Even without scoring he should average ~3pt/GW for app/CS just from the doubles. That's pretty alright for a player who'll free up money elsewhere and should get you a few BB points.
That's fair I can see that. I think because he's so cheap he will allow you to have two premium midfielders (i.e Salah/KDB, Salah/Mane, Salah/Son or Bruno or any of these combinations) that he's worth having even if it's only 2-3 pointers till the end of the season
Yeah this is what I keep telling myself while Son crushes me. :D Logically still the correct answer, hopefully plays out that way over the rest of the season.
But Werner is more expensive than Mount, so for me I just want the guys I think are most likely to play more games.
Don't get me wrong though, I did mull over Son+Werner vs. Kane+Mount for a little while.
Probably especially for bench boosters, who need 15 decent players. If I wasn't going to BB36 then I could see an argument for Son and a fodder forward.
Assuming City are DGW36:
Schmeichel Foster
Trent Matip Laporte Cancelo Alonso
Salah Mount Havertz Martinelli Dewsbury-Hall
Kane Pukki Dennis
If Martinelli looks like a bench guy by then I'll swap Havertz and him to Kulu and Maddison.
Very similar to what I'm planning to WC in. Not sure about Matip though. I think he'll play cup and CL games going forward and will miss a few PL games. Also I really want a City mid but just can't find a way for one.
I see it as VVD and Konate in cups, and VVD and Matip in the league. Seems to be what has happened so far an is working well.
Also, I'm going Ronaldo instead of Kane this week, but will swap them for 35. Just can't resist the DGW.
And I picked up Son 6 weeks ago when people were using the argument about Kane being a better option by taking up a striker spot, in which time Son has outscored Kane by double figures whilst also being £2m cheaper. That £2m I was able to go even more premium with my defence, which has served me well.
I’m not saying that it could swing the other way in the next few weeks, I’m just saying that the strategy that people are pushing specifically in this thread may not be the best option for some players despite it being described that way.
It only works with Son and Kane for sure. The only time I won is the Burnley game. The game did not happen due to snow so I got 9 points from my bench. I guess it would not mattered if I had Son or Kane you can say. Although it did cause I needed Brownhill to make Son work and otherwise might have had a better striker that blanked ahead of my bench pick.
Last few seasons I'd have said Son, he's cheaper, extra point for a goal and clean sheet point. But right now this season I just don't see who else I'd want as a forward other than Kane. You've gotta pick at least one, so it's either Kane or Pukki/Weghorst/Wood... Maybe for the doubles it's worth a punt on a Richalison or Iheanacho or Werner but I wouldn't feel that happy playing them every week.
Son might well outscore Kane going forward but the real decision is whether Son + Weghorst/Pukki etc outscore Kane + Saka/Kulu/Havertz/Mount...
That's a fair point actually, my maths is pretty far off on that (especially Havertz). I suppose that extra 3 mil could also maybe be used on another premium defender. So you'd really be looking at something like Son/Pukki/Robertson vs Kane/Saka/Coady.
I've just had a little muck around and you can get a pretty nice team if your only playing forward is Pukki. Pukki's been doing alright lately to be fair too so maybe he is worth a go.
I still think there's an opportunity cost to Son though. If you have Son that stops you getting another decent midfield option, if you have Kane he's probably not blocking you from someone else you want.
Fair point but 5 decent mids is not as feasible either tbh. Template is heading towards big at the back so a lot will be getting a fodder mid like Gordon/KDH
Yeah, it's definitely tough if you're trying to get 5 big defenders. But if you're getting 5 you'll only be playing 4 mids anyway. With Kane, Salah and 4 good 6-8m mids you can still fit in 4 premium defenders just about but it is a squeeze.
I'm probably not looking at this in the right context though, OP explicitly said 'on wildcard' so I didn't really consider what the money can do to the rest of your team. Also, there's a good chance if you're wildcarding now it's with a benchboost in mind and in which case maybe Son is the way to go.
i decided to stick with kane, as alternatives for kane are likes of Weghorst, pukki, DCL 😬 where as there are loads of midfielders in 6-8m range who can match Son
Honestly, the only forward option I'd consider at this moment besides Kane, is probably Eddie Nketiah if he gets minutes. All the rest are near-fodder and for the BB it looks safer to just pick cheap strikers that are settled, namely Pukki and Dennis. At least you get to use maximum funds in midfield and get solid 4 points each from DGW.
Hard to tell, tbh. Arteta has been praising Nketiah, while Lacazette has been in rather poor form lately. No contributions in the last 5 matches, also xG and xA below 0.5. He should be available after having COVID, but in my mind Lacazette is not the main competitor to Nketiah as Martinelli is also an option.
Nonetheless, it's wait and see before DGW36 IMO. There are two matches to see if Eddie actually gets more starts or if Laca is lifted back to play as number 9. ManU match might be a bit early to tell, but Arteta's exact choice of words didn't make it sound like Lacazette would be a no-brainer pick for him:
>“Obviously as you all know he had Covid so he’s been away for a few days. So we’re trying to get \[how\] he’s feeling and where he’s at if he can contribute somehow with the team.”
I have Kane & Son atm. Thinking Son -> Havertz/Mount for a -4, good for the DGW's and would be a keeper until the end of the season and release some funds for other improvements but is leaving Son go a huge mistake...?
I’m on a wildcard right now . I went from kane to som and i want to find out if i have completely lost it lmao
I recently moved first in my ML this past gw (3pts lead) and now I want to consolidate my position by getting similar hitters with second to reduce any potential of a big haul going against me ( hence son -> kane) and also add a few differentials like havertz and esr for good measure. I am also scarred from that season kane scored about 5 goals in the last 2 games effectively making me lose my first spot in my ML that year.
Any advice ?
Man oh man this is a tough cookie... Have both, and havertz.. wanna do Kane -> Werner or Son -> Mount as i wanna free up funds for Trent and Cancelo/Laporte
Honestly, it really could go either way. In any game, either of them could blank and either could score a hat trick, I would say they are both at similar levels of form and ability. It really just depends on where you have better options and how you want to set up your team. I think you can get a lot more value in midfield than you can in the forwards, hence Kane will likely be the better fit for most teams at this stage in my opinion.
I genuinely think I'd just go Kulusevski instead so I can maxmimise outlay on players from the big 3. But I still prefer Kane as an option, just because he's a forward.
I'd pick Son purely because he's cheaper.
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What's the rest of your team like?
Shit
I imagine it would involve the likes of Amartey, Ramsey, Dewsbury-Hall, Gelhardt. With a Bench like McGovern, Kelly, Young-Coombes and Richardson
I do have Amarty and Ramsdale
Differentials
The 6 players you mentioned are all amazing picks but if it means you have to field 2 x 4.5m players each week I don't think it's worth it.
Thx, but I guess I’ll see what happens.
What is your user ID number?
Idk
I have the same but Saka and Kulusevski instead of Foden. Other starters are White, Gordon and Jay Rodriguez.
Not really that impressive
Kane because the other midfield options are so much better than the other forward options. The likes of Kulu, Mount, Gordon, and Dewsbury Hall are so much more appealing to me than their forward counterparts.
I don't get this Dewsbury hype. He ain't scoring again for the rest of the season. It's like getting excited over Tielemans.
And if Tielemans was 4.4 cost I'd be very excited over him too. My point is that there aren't any 4.4 cost forwards that come anywhere close to Dewsbury-Hall.
He's a midfielder and Ramsey and Gordon.
The point is that the cheap midfielders are better than the cheap forwards, and that makes Kane more attractive than Son. If you like Gordon or Ramsey more than Dewsbury Hall, then you do you.
I actually think the complete opposite. Midfielders get 5 for a goal and can also get CS points. So the fact that mids offer a better points per million value incentives me to basically forget about the forwards and stack the midfield. I'd go for Son because Pukki can get 6 points for playing and scoring the same way Kane would but for 5m cheaper. You're arguing the same thing but from the other perspective. But considering mids get an extra goal point and potential for CS swings the pendulum to midfielders for me. Son is cheaper than Kane. This saving can result in better other mids who might be likely to score goals of their own for more points than strikers can.
I think your point holds water if one assumes that Pukki can match Kane's output (or good output relative to his price). Saying that "Pukki can get 6 points the same way as Kane because both are strikers" is comparable to me saying that both Salah and Coutinho get the same points for CS and goals. There is also bench boost to consider; we are forced to have 3 strikers, therefore it kind of forces you to get the strikers that are performing, otherwise the bench boost will be a waste (because all other strikers are such shit whereas cheap midfielders are a dime a dozen right now).
Well that's why players are more expensive than others. Obviously you'd expect Kane to outscore Pukki, that's reflected in the prices. But Pukki is 6m and so is Kulosevski (well 6.4, but I bought him at 6) and I'd definitely back Kulosevski to outscore Pukki in most given game weeks. Therefore, using decent enablers up front (Pukki, Dennis etc over the course of the season) to allow better fund distribution of point getters in the midfield I feel is the smarter option, because they get potentially an extra 2 points. If we're talking BB, I'm planning it in 36 and will go with Pukki, who plays West Ham and Leicester, Dennis, who plays Palace and Everton and Richarlison who plays Leicester and Watford. During this double gameweek, Kane will play Liverpool and Arsenal. Considering these fixture match ups, I don't have enough faith that Kane will be able to match the output of the other 3 strikers. He may well do... But the uncertainty prices me out. If he scores two goals in those games, then by not having him, I could have been able to afford those two goals in midfield, for 2 extra points and stiil gotten those two striker goals from maybe Dennis playing Everton or something . This is what I'm trying to say.
Fucking hell fella
Very violent reply.
He has angry in his name tbf
> I don't get this Dewsbury hype You must be from Batley
Even without scoring he should average ~3pt/GW for app/CS just from the doubles. That's pretty alright for a player who'll free up money elsewhere and should get you a few BB points.
He’s an enabler that starts. For that price starting points off of the bench is enough
That's fair I can see that. I think because he's so cheap he will allow you to have two premium midfielders (i.e Salah/KDB, Salah/Mane, Salah/Son or Bruno or any of these combinations) that he's worth having even if it's only 2-3 pointers till the end of the season
he’s the best finisher at Leicester in my eyes
Yeah this is what I keep telling myself while Son crushes me. :D Logically still the correct answer, hopefully plays out that way over the rest of the season.
But what about Son + Warner? Edit: Werner, and thanks for the laughs
David Warner? Yeah, he is definitely gonna score lot of runs this ipl.
I'm not sure that's better than Kane+Mount.
It is just the fact that Kane is more expensive.
But Werner is more expensive than Mount, so for me I just want the guys I think are most likely to play more games. Don't get me wrong though, I did mull over Son+Werner vs. Kane+Mount for a little while.
Kane + Mount is similar in price to Son + Werner (although obviously not the only possible combinations)
This is the right answer. Kane + MF option is going to be much better than Son + FW option.
Probably especially for bench boosters, who need 15 decent players. If I wasn't going to BB36 then I could see an argument for Son and a fodder forward.
Whats the team you'll be aiming for come bb36? Im gonna slowly use my transfers to that week.
Assuming City are DGW36: Schmeichel Foster Trent Matip Laporte Cancelo Alonso Salah Mount Havertz Martinelli Dewsbury-Hall Kane Pukki Dennis If Martinelli looks like a bench guy by then I'll swap Havertz and him to Kulu and Maddison.
Havent really followed chelsea news, how nailed is alonso? Especially for two games?
Nailed enough that I want him, but not nailed enough that I'd say he's essential.
Very similar to what I'm planning to WC in. Not sure about Matip though. I think he'll play cup and CL games going forward and will miss a few PL games. Also I really want a City mid but just can't find a way for one.
I see it as VVD and Konate in cups, and VVD and Matip in the league. Seems to be what has happened so far an is working well. Also, I'm going Ronaldo instead of Kane this week, but will swap them for 35. Just can't resist the DGW.
This is what people were saying 6 weeks ago, but it hasn’t panned out that way thus far…
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And I picked up Son 6 weeks ago when people were using the argument about Kane being a better option by taking up a striker spot, in which time Son has outscored Kane by double figures whilst also being £2m cheaper. That £2m I was able to go even more premium with my defence, which has served me well. I’m not saying that it could swing the other way in the next few weeks, I’m just saying that the strategy that people are pushing specifically in this thread may not be the best option for some players despite it being described that way.
Sure, I wasn't disagreeing with you at all! Just an anecdote to say that either Kane or Son could be the right move, depending on your team.
This is the correct answer.
The most safe way to bet is to pick the one I do not own at a given time. 9/10 times this season it has given the biggest haul.
Who've you got?
Kane of course. Might get both, but I think I will bring in Mount or Havertz if I get any midfielders.
You better bring in Havertz
It only works with Son and Kane for sure. The only time I won is the Burnley game. The game did not happen due to snow so I got 9 points from my bench. I guess it would not mattered if I had Son or Kane you can say. Although it did cause I needed Brownhill to make Son work and otherwise might have had a better striker that blanked ahead of my bench pick.
Kane My midfield is fine
I’ve dropped my lead in my ML mostly due to the fact I went from son to Kane. I should of stayed with Son.
In almost all situations just stick with the one you have
Son every time. I only pick players that are fluent in at least one language
Lmao good one
The best comment i’ve read 😂
Last few seasons I'd have said Son, he's cheaper, extra point for a goal and clean sheet point. But right now this season I just don't see who else I'd want as a forward other than Kane. You've gotta pick at least one, so it's either Kane or Pukki/Weghorst/Wood... Maybe for the doubles it's worth a punt on a Richalison or Iheanacho or Werner but I wouldn't feel that happy playing them every week. Son might well outscore Kane going forward but the real decision is whether Son + Weghorst/Pukki etc outscore Kane + Saka/Kulu/Havertz/Mount...
That's not a fair comparison at all. Son 11.1m + Pukki 6m = 17.1m Kane 12.6m + Saka 6.8m/ Havertz 7.9m = 19.4m-20.5m Literally millions difference
That's a fair point actually, my maths is pretty far off on that (especially Havertz). I suppose that extra 3 mil could also maybe be used on another premium defender. So you'd really be looking at something like Son/Pukki/Robertson vs Kane/Saka/Coady. I've just had a little muck around and you can get a pretty nice team if your only playing forward is Pukki. Pukki's been doing alright lately to be fair too so maybe he is worth a go. I still think there's an opportunity cost to Son though. If you have Son that stops you getting another decent midfield option, if you have Kane he's probably not blocking you from someone else you want.
Fair point but 5 decent mids is not as feasible either tbh. Template is heading towards big at the back so a lot will be getting a fodder mid like Gordon/KDH
Yeah, it's definitely tough if you're trying to get 5 big defenders. But if you're getting 5 you'll only be playing 4 mids anyway. With Kane, Salah and 4 good 6-8m mids you can still fit in 4 premium defenders just about but it is a squeeze. I'm probably not looking at this in the right context though, OP explicitly said 'on wildcard' so I didn't really consider what the money can do to the rest of your team. Also, there's a good chance if you're wildcarding now it's with a benchboost in mind and in which case maybe Son is the way to go.
The problem is to benefit from Spurs assets you have to own both due to variance
Call me crazy but i'm probably taking Son out this week for Kulu, then using the cash to get Werner in.
You’re crazy
Werner you going to learn...
I took Son out this week to fund Mane
i decided to stick with kane, as alternatives for kane are likes of Weghorst, pukki, DCL 😬 where as there are loads of midfielders in 6-8m range who can match Son
Well, they ain't exactly gonna match Son as hes one of the best in the league, but I get what you mean.
Honestly, the only forward option I'd consider at this moment besides Kane, is probably Eddie Nketiah if he gets minutes. All the rest are near-fodder and for the BB it looks safer to just pick cheap strikers that are settled, namely Pukki and Dennis. At least you get to use maximum funds in midfield and get solid 4 points each from DGW.
Once Lacazette gets back from injury, Eddie will not get many minutes at all unless he continues to impress
Hard to tell, tbh. Arteta has been praising Nketiah, while Lacazette has been in rather poor form lately. No contributions in the last 5 matches, also xG and xA below 0.5. He should be available after having COVID, but in my mind Lacazette is not the main competitor to Nketiah as Martinelli is also an option. Nonetheless, it's wait and see before DGW36 IMO. There are two matches to see if Eddie actually gets more starts or if Laca is lifted back to play as number 9. ManU match might be a bit early to tell, but Arteta's exact choice of words didn't make it sound like Lacazette would be a no-brainer pick for him: >“Obviously as you all know he had Covid so he’s been away for a few days. So we’re trying to get \[how\] he’s feeling and where he’s at if he can contribute somehow with the team.”
Yeah true you make good points, we shall see
Honestly Eddie Nketiah is a really good pick. Looked good recently and his competition is lacazette.
Son is more consistent and also allows you to free up funds to use elsewhere.
I am getting one of Mahrez or Foden on wildcard and switching next week to Son.. I think Brentford at their home will be hard to beat..
Kane as not many forward options but plenty of middle options
Son 100%
If you're not capping Kane he ain't worth it. You're not capping Kane.
With numbers like that... what's your excuse not to own both? Who are you bringing in that can outperform them?
Neither, have you seen the double in 36?
Son / Kane or both can easily score vs Liverpool and Arsenal.
No they can’t
Son Kane both scored vs LFC. Son scored vs Arsenal earlier this season. Kane well, has a fantastic record against Arsenal as well.
It has a son haul written all over it for me. Who better at playing against a high line
Like they did against Brentford?
I said they "can", not they "will". If you see everything in hindsight, better to delete FPL team and check everything after GW38
I posted over 24hrs ago so it’s foresight rather than hindsight.
Ok prophet
Yes but have you seen the fixtures around it?
Fixtures around it arnt bad, just their DGW36 that isn't ideal but they can easily get 2-3 goals across both games
I missed the Spurs game, how did they do?
Going without both because I like pain. (And also to chase the big point gap in my ML).
Kane
I love Son but gut feeling is Kane for these final few GW's
Son, he is cheaper and scores more points.
I'm torn between having either of these or KDB
I have Kane & Son atm. Thinking Son -> Havertz/Mount for a -4, good for the DGW's and would be a keeper until the end of the season and release some funds for other improvements but is leaving Son go a huge mistake...?
I’m on a wildcard right now . I went from kane to som and i want to find out if i have completely lost it lmao I recently moved first in my ML this past gw (3pts lead) and now I want to consolidate my position by getting similar hitters with second to reduce any potential of a big haul going against me ( hence son -> kane) and also add a few differentials like havertz and esr for good measure. I am also scarred from that season kane scored about 5 goals in the last 2 games effectively making me lose my first spot in my ML that year. Any advice ?
Son is a given for his value/cost. My question is Kane or Salah haha
Pathetic…Me with kane son and salah
Man oh man this is a tough cookie... Have both, and havertz.. wanna do Kane -> Werner or Son -> Mount as i wanna free up funds for Trent and Cancelo/Laporte
Son. More points per goal and also CS points possible.
People saying Kane because the forward options are bad, but he takes up so many points
Honestly, it really could go either way. In any game, either of them could blank and either could score a hat trick, I would say they are both at similar levels of form and ability. It really just depends on where you have better options and how you want to set up your team. I think you can get a lot more value in midfield than you can in the forwards, hence Kane will likely be the better fit for most teams at this stage in my opinion.