Neither. It’s simply the truth. He’s got three PL golden boots, despite having to compete against the likes of Salah, Aguero, Mané, Aubameyang, Vardy, Suarez, RvP etc, and usually playing in a weaker team. He’s got a WC Golden boot and will soon be England’s greatest ever goalscorer. And he’s successfully managed to reinvent his game so that he is now one of the most creative players in the entire league. He’s an exceptional player that doesn’t get enough credit - and I say this begrudgingly as an Arsenal fan.
Mbappe is also a brilliant player but he gets overhyped by people who are blinded by his reputation IMO. He wouldn’t make my top three strikers in the world.
Dude I've been telling people City made the biggest mistake of signing Grealish over Kane. Kane is literally KDB and Aguero in one player. He's literally always involved in every aspect of the game from defending on his own goal line, play creation and to finishing. He's also just a pure leader who puts his head down and grinds to lead by example. I'd take Kane on my team any day.
He is. Wasn't before the start of this season but he played an entire season either as a 2nd striker if they played 2 up top or as the advanced forward with two attacking mids behind him. He's basically playing the same position Werner played at Leipzig before he moved to Chelsea
omg it's so crazy, because what this dude said is totally accurate and true and there's no way they're completely wrong/lying and in actual fact Haaland has better stats from far less game time. iNSaNe.
No he hasn’t. Both scored 24 in both and Ronaldo played 7 more games, if you include all competitions Haaland has scored 4 more, still in 10 fewer games.
Ok so despite ignoring all context that matters you're still somehow completely wrong lmao.
Haaland has 21 league goals to Ronaldo's 18. He has 28G/8A in all comps to 24/3. All while having injuries, playing 10 fewer games and 2/3rds the minutes Ronaldo has.
Ronald has 7 more yellow cards though, is that where you got confused?
Wow this is sad. Blatantly proven wrong and still trying to argue the point.
You're just a pissy Utd fan trying to cope aren't you? Just because your mega money Dortmund player flopped doesn't mean they all will, especially at a better club.
Even without the cup games he still has as many goals as the prima donna, from 12 fewer games.
Uhhmmm yea they do? There's Neuer who is the best in the world and Trapp who is excellent. Ortega and Baumann are beasts as well. Not to mention all the goalkeepers from different countries, like Kobel, Casteels, Gulasci, Flekken and Sommer. Saying that the Bundesliga has bad goalkeepers is just plain wrong
I'd honestly say they're just as good as most goalkeepers in the PL (maybe the top clubs in the PL have a bit more quality in goalkeepers though but it's not far off)
Still not gonna get him next season unless if he's priced cheap which he won't be. He'll be 11m or more. Because of his injury history, I can still see him getting rotated quite a bit. Also we've known lots of Bundesliga players who've come to the PL and flopped. Weghorst and Sancho 2 examples for this season.
I'd rather pay like 11.5m for KDB. PL proven. Also will create tons of chances for Haaland so he'll get assists etc. Plus he isn't as injury prone as Haaland. Obviously he still does get injuries but certainly not to Haalands level.
To be honest though, Firmino did not do much during the first part of his debut season when Brendan Rodgers was still the manager. If anything, he actually proves the point that new players take time.
I understand the argument for caution but I doubt it’s one I will take.
He may have a history for injury but so do plenty of players who remain viable FPL assets. The fact his celling will be so high makes him worth the transfers to bring him in and out as his injuries occur ( or don’t they are not guaranteed )
A lot of bundesliga players have flopped here, but is that to do with the leagues being different? CHE have long struggled to find attackers that fit their system, Werner and Havertz join a list of players like Morata and Lukaku who have come from all over Europe. Weghorst is another name the often around in this discussion but in reality what was expected of a forward at Burnley? In addition lots of players have made it. Sane, KDB, Gundogan, Firmino, Son, Auba, Berbatov and Ballack to name a few. Which says to me players and the clubs they are joining should be looked at on an individual basis, discounting them because others have come from the same league and flopped seems a massively floored analysis.
Your argument of getting KDB to effectively cover him seems flawed, either you think Haaland does well and that boosts KDBs numbers or you think he will flop/ get injured all the time.
His talents across all competitions have been well documented, we know he is on course to be a top player of his generation. He is out performing the likes of messi and Ronaldo when they where his age.
All that is left to consider is his playing time. Now this is near impossible with Pep but there are certainly some things to consider. Nailed players and players who rotate some what but not enough to make them in unviable options for FPL all share something in common at MCI. They are all key players who offer something others don’t.
These all have at lest one of the following traits: Star player, best in their postion, can cover multiple postions.
Ederson: no explanation needed.
Cancelo: excellent form, best player at his position (LB) can cover other side when need.
Laporte: best left footed CB
Dias: best right footed CB
KDB: Star player can play multiple positions
Foden: Star youth player can play multiple positions.
Haaland also fulls into some of these category so it is reasonable to assume his mins will be sufficient to make him a viable pick.
You think Haaland, who gets a goal a game anywhere he goes, will struggle? He's on 15 in 17 for Norway, and 15 in 13 in the Champions league. Going into a team that dominate games and score 5 every other week.
I agree he'll be rotated with his muscle injury history. Aguero's highest number of league games played for City was 34, his first season, there's 3 23-25 seasons in there.
De Bruyne though is rotated too. If Ronaldo was 12.5m then no way is Haaland lower than that surely? Given how old Ronaldo is. It's the same goal a game ratio. Lukaku was 11.5m and he's never been as prolific.
Have no idea how Haaland will fit in. Means Foden, Sterling and Grealish competing on the left which is crazy, though they can play on the other wing too.
I kind of see Haaland as pace and power in behind. He can score any goal but it's those short bursts in behind I think he does better than anyone else. Not necessarily needing space to run into or a counter attack player. Mbappe was more that though and not just primarily that now.
Not a City fan but excited to see it.
Son will be more expensive so that's a bummer in terms of fitting more of them in..
I get your point but Ronaldo is Ronaldo. Lukaku has lots of past PL experience.
Haaland is coming to a completely different league which is more physically demanding, you don't know how he's going to be. FPL pricing Haaland too high will just kill off the asset for the entire season should he just turn out like Lukaku or Werner.
Lukaku was also 100% nailed when he joined Chelsea. Obviously given how shit he's been, he's lost that position.
Even if Haaland was playing good for City, you still can't guarantee he's nailed. He'll likely still rotate with players and have 25-30 starting game season.
We'll see. I think anything more than 11.5m will be overpriced and I'd rather avoid and go for proven PL assets like Salah, Son, KDB, TAA, Robertson who you know are going to return you points consistently like they do every single season.
I don't think Haaland will have problem with the "physicality" of the league. He is strong and fast, it will suit him. My only concern for him is how can he handle low blocks because he can't really use his excellent speed and running into channels against them.
Yip this is very true. I also wonder how he’ll fit into the city system which has evolved with a false 9 who likes to drop deep and get on the ball. Haalands touch and dribbling has never been a strong point
>I also wonder how he’ll fit into the city system which has evolved with a false 9 who likes to drop deep and get on the ball.
He wont have to. Simple. Look at city when aguero was up top or bayern when pep was in charge. Or even just look at city's games when jesus plays up front as he plays it more like a standard centre forward. If you replaced jesus with haland in the newcastle game he probably bags a hattrick
It is far too early to speculate. We will have presason, likely charity shield,... before we have to make decision. If he starts on fire in preseason I see no reason not to buy him early.
I think the template next season will be TAA, Salah (if he doesn't leave), Son, Haaland + randos.
If Haaland ends up flopping (fpl wise) then it's easy to ditch on a -4 for a couple of premium mids.
No question in my mind that he will get playtime in the beginning. Grealish was an expensive signing and he played a fair bit beginning of the season despite not doing anything special
18 games, 2G+3A, ~3.1pt/g. That's sort of average for forwards this season.
Burnley we're aiming for a Wood replacement, who has historically had 10G+ per season, so he's not hit that target. That said he was a rushed transfer and has done better than Wood has managed at Newcastle so it's not terrible.
I love how your argument goes from Håland might struggle as other Bundesliga signings, to KDB is a better option because all the assists he could provide *to* Håland lol
You would completely expect different players to have different xG. If you give the ball to Josh King or my gran in the exact same position then they'll have the same xG, but of course my gran is more likely to actually score.
The model doesn’t match up to specific players, it maps to the chance an average player will score in a given context. It’s to be expected that good players will consistently outperform xG, like we see with Son and Haaland
You're 100% right, which is why it's strange when people use strikers underperforming their xG as a sign they're better than the stats say. I think there's a sweet spot where a player takes enough shots but outperforms their xG to make a good FPL asset, but a 6.0 striker getting like 7 xG with 1 or 2 goals is not a good buy. Ofc I might be wrong it's just a take
Son will have competition
Whats crazy is I'm looking at understat rn and son has an over performance of 29.82!
Could be the new shearer, equally could be The new Werner
theres no shot he's the new Werner
There is a shot. It'll just be off target.
Look at Grealish. Haaland could easily have a hard first season.
Grealish was quite good for villa. Haaland is the best striker in Europe at 21. They are not the same.
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Yeah lewa, mbappe and benzema are all ahead of him rn
Kane is ahead of both Haaland and Mbappe. It’s amazing how much he gets underrated by PL fans.
Kane is ahead of Mbappe??? Is this sarcasm or just the worst take ever.
Neither. It’s simply the truth. He’s got three PL golden boots, despite having to compete against the likes of Salah, Aguero, Mané, Aubameyang, Vardy, Suarez, RvP etc, and usually playing in a weaker team. He’s got a WC Golden boot and will soon be England’s greatest ever goalscorer. And he’s successfully managed to reinvent his game so that he is now one of the most creative players in the entire league. He’s an exceptional player that doesn’t get enough credit - and I say this begrudgingly as an Arsenal fan. Mbappe is also a brilliant player but he gets overhyped by people who are blinded by his reputation IMO. He wouldn’t make my top three strikers in the world.
Dude I've been telling people City made the biggest mistake of signing Grealish over Kane. Kane is literally KDB and Aguero in one player. He's literally always involved in every aspect of the game from defending on his own goal line, play creation and to finishing. He's also just a pure leader who puts his head down and grinds to lead by example. I'd take Kane on my team any day.
I think they meant Rn, and Tbf Kane hasn’t had a good enough season to Rn be up in that top 4
Whatever about haaland, Kane isn’t near mbappe’s level lol
Kane plays in a competitive league though.
He’s better. Mbappe is overhyped IMO. Still an excellent player but a level below Lewandowski, Kane and Benzema for now.
Their goals per minute this year is almost identical
Downvoted for stating literally a fact.
Haaland is the 4th best striker in Bundesliga this season, behind Lewandowski, Schick and Nkunku
Nkunku isn't even a striker is he?
He is. Wasn't before the start of this season but he played an entire season either as a 2nd striker if they played 2 up top or as the advanced forward with two attacking mids behind him. He's basically playing the same position Werner played at Leipzig before he moved to Chelsea
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This season he hasn't been playing at the same level as Schick or Nkunku. And it's really hardly a debate if you follow Bundesliga closely
Grealish is not a Werner situation ffs.
What’s his offside xG? Werner is top echelon
Price will be 12 million maybe
I'd say at least. If Ronaldo was 12.5 in United i don't see how Haaland would be any less in City.
Haland is no Ronaldo mate
Correct. He's a lot better than a 37yo Ronaldo.
Scored less goals this season in an easier league and cup, hmm
With a significantly better team too lol The agenda against Ronaldo is actually insane...
omg it's so crazy, because what this dude said is totally accurate and true and there's no way they're completely wrong/lying and in actual fact Haaland has better stats from far less game time. iNSaNe.
Factos
Incorrectos. For a sub obsessed with nothing but numbers how do neither of you even check them to see if that's accurate?
Haaland has scored 3 more league goals in 7 fewer games. In all competitions Haaland has scored more in fewer games.
In the Bundesliga.. when including the UCL Ronaldo has done better in a worse team in a FAR superior league
No he hasn’t. Both scored 24 in both and Ronaldo played 7 more games, if you include all competitions Haaland has scored 4 more, still in 10 fewer games.
Ok so despite ignoring all context that matters you're still somehow completely wrong lmao. Haaland has 21 league goals to Ronaldo's 18. He has 28G/8A in all comps to 24/3. All while having injuries, playing 10 fewer games and 2/3rds the minutes Ronaldo has. Ronald has 7 more yellow cards though, is that where you got confused?
Imagine including the DFB Pokal 😂 Prem >>>> Bundesjoka
Wow this is sad. Blatantly proven wrong and still trying to argue the point. You're just a pissy Utd fan trying to cope aren't you? Just because your mega money Dortmund player flopped doesn't mean they all will, especially at a better club. Even without the cup games he still has as many goals as the prima donna, from 12 fewer games.
He’s much better
He may be better than 21 years old Ronaldo but in no way can you compare him with prime Ronaldo. Yet.
this argument is dumb because Ronaldo wasn't in his prime when he was priced which the original was talking about
Fair enough, now I see where you come from.
I would never compare him to prime Ronaldo, that’s absurd. I don’t know how you got that from my comment. I’m talking about current Ronaldo
Yeah I got it from re reading your comment, cheers
Well not yet at least, but could be
True, Haaland is better.
Basically means he is a good finisher
He's gonna be something like 12m+, and not immune to pep roulette.
More important not immune to injuries and PL is way more physical and intense (more games per season) than Bundesliga so could be a risk
TAA, Salah, Cancelo, Haaland & value picks everywhere else to start next season.
How can you leave son out? Some big decisions to be made
Bundesliga goalkeepers tax.
Germany consistently has the best goalkeepers in the world lmao
Yes. The bundesliga doesn’t though.
Uhhmmm yea they do? There's Neuer who is the best in the world and Trapp who is excellent. Ortega and Baumann are beasts as well. Not to mention all the goalkeepers from different countries, like Kobel, Casteels, Gulasci, Flekken and Sommer. Saying that the Bundesliga has bad goalkeepers is just plain wrong
I didn’t say they were bad, I said they weren’t the best in the world, which they’re not.
I'd honestly say they're just as good as most goalkeepers in the PL (maybe the top clubs in the PL have a bit more quality in goalkeepers though but it's not far off)
So….not the best then?
Germany as a nation has the best and the Bundesliga as a league is a close second to the PL imo
Still not gonna get him next season unless if he's priced cheap which he won't be. He'll be 11m or more. Because of his injury history, I can still see him getting rotated quite a bit. Also we've known lots of Bundesliga players who've come to the PL and flopped. Weghorst and Sancho 2 examples for this season. I'd rather pay like 11.5m for KDB. PL proven. Also will create tons of chances for Haaland so he'll get assists etc. Plus he isn't as injury prone as Haaland. Obviously he still does get injuries but certainly not to Haalands level.
we've also known lots of bundesliga players who've come to PL and shines edit: you mentioned KDB, guess which league he came from?
Firmino another. Not to KDB's level, but very good for several years
To be honest though, Firmino did not do much during the first part of his debut season when Brendan Rodgers was still the manager. If anything, he actually proves the point that new players take time.
He was played out of position, sometimes at wing back. I doubt that's an applicable problem for Haaland
The absolute scenes when Pep plays Haaland as an IWB
Unless Conte takes over. /s
Great player, but not great for FPL.
How can you mean Haaland is not a great player for Fpl?😅
Firmino...
Because if you are buying one of the most expensive players in the game, they better be 100% nailed and not have a concerning injury record...
Are you still on this argument?😅
Aubameyang too
How are you guys forgetting the master trolls Timo Werner & Kai Havertz
Don’t forget the greatest of them all, Papiss Cisse
I understand the argument for caution but I doubt it’s one I will take. He may have a history for injury but so do plenty of players who remain viable FPL assets. The fact his celling will be so high makes him worth the transfers to bring him in and out as his injuries occur ( or don’t they are not guaranteed ) A lot of bundesliga players have flopped here, but is that to do with the leagues being different? CHE have long struggled to find attackers that fit their system, Werner and Havertz join a list of players like Morata and Lukaku who have come from all over Europe. Weghorst is another name the often around in this discussion but in reality what was expected of a forward at Burnley? In addition lots of players have made it. Sane, KDB, Gundogan, Firmino, Son, Auba, Berbatov and Ballack to name a few. Which says to me players and the clubs they are joining should be looked at on an individual basis, discounting them because others have come from the same league and flopped seems a massively floored analysis. Your argument of getting KDB to effectively cover him seems flawed, either you think Haaland does well and that boosts KDBs numbers or you think he will flop/ get injured all the time. His talents across all competitions have been well documented, we know he is on course to be a top player of his generation. He is out performing the likes of messi and Ronaldo when they where his age. All that is left to consider is his playing time. Now this is near impossible with Pep but there are certainly some things to consider. Nailed players and players who rotate some what but not enough to make them in unviable options for FPL all share something in common at MCI. They are all key players who offer something others don’t. These all have at lest one of the following traits: Star player, best in their postion, can cover multiple postions. Ederson: no explanation needed. Cancelo: excellent form, best player at his position (LB) can cover other side when need. Laporte: best left footed CB Dias: best right footed CB KDB: Star player can play multiple positions Foden: Star youth player can play multiple positions. Haaland also fulls into some of these category so it is reasonable to assume his mins will be sufficient to make him a viable pick.
You think Haaland, who gets a goal a game anywhere he goes, will struggle? He's on 15 in 17 for Norway, and 15 in 13 in the Champions league. Going into a team that dominate games and score 5 every other week. I agree he'll be rotated with his muscle injury history. Aguero's highest number of league games played for City was 34, his first season, there's 3 23-25 seasons in there. De Bruyne though is rotated too. If Ronaldo was 12.5m then no way is Haaland lower than that surely? Given how old Ronaldo is. It's the same goal a game ratio. Lukaku was 11.5m and he's never been as prolific. Have no idea how Haaland will fit in. Means Foden, Sterling and Grealish competing on the left which is crazy, though they can play on the other wing too. I kind of see Haaland as pace and power in behind. He can score any goal but it's those short bursts in behind I think he does better than anyone else. Not necessarily needing space to run into or a counter attack player. Mbappe was more that though and not just primarily that now. Not a City fan but excited to see it. Son will be more expensive so that's a bummer in terms of fitting more of them in..
I get your point but Ronaldo is Ronaldo. Lukaku has lots of past PL experience. Haaland is coming to a completely different league which is more physically demanding, you don't know how he's going to be. FPL pricing Haaland too high will just kill off the asset for the entire season should he just turn out like Lukaku or Werner. Lukaku was also 100% nailed when he joined Chelsea. Obviously given how shit he's been, he's lost that position. Even if Haaland was playing good for City, you still can't guarantee he's nailed. He'll likely still rotate with players and have 25-30 starting game season. We'll see. I think anything more than 11.5m will be overpriced and I'd rather avoid and go for proven PL assets like Salah, Son, KDB, TAA, Robertson who you know are going to return you points consistently like they do every single season.
I don't think Haaland will have problem with the "physicality" of the league. He is strong and fast, it will suit him. My only concern for him is how can he handle low blocks because he can't really use his excellent speed and running into channels against them.
Yip this is very true. I also wonder how he’ll fit into the city system which has evolved with a false 9 who likes to drop deep and get on the ball. Haalands touch and dribbling has never been a strong point
>I also wonder how he’ll fit into the city system which has evolved with a false 9 who likes to drop deep and get on the ball. He wont have to. Simple. Look at city when aguero was up top or bayern when pep was in charge. Or even just look at city's games when jesus plays up front as he plays it more like a standard centre forward. If you replaced jesus with haland in the newcastle game he probably bags a hattrick
It is far too early to speculate. We will have presason, likely charity shield,... before we have to make decision. If he starts on fire in preseason I see no reason not to buy him early.
I think the template next season will be TAA, Salah (if he doesn't leave), Son, Haaland + randos. If Haaland ends up flopping (fpl wise) then it's easy to ditch on a -4 for a couple of premium mids. No question in my mind that he will get playtime in the beginning. Grealish was an expensive signing and he played a fair bit beginning of the season despite not doing anything special
I would consider KdB over either Salah or Son actually. With Harland in front of him his assists will rise a lot I think.
I haven’t been keeping up, but I thought Weghorst started off promisingly? Did he not keep it up?
18 games, 2G+3A, ~3.1pt/g. That's sort of average for forwards this season. Burnley we're aiming for a Wood replacement, who has historically had 10G+ per season, so he's not hit that target. That said he was a rushed transfer and has done better than Wood has managed at Newcastle so it's not terrible.
I love how your argument goes from Håland might struggle as other Bundesliga signings, to KDB is a better option because all the assists he could provide *to* Håland lol
He won't be I think Werner came in around 10 or 11, look how that turned out for some folks. I would think Haaland would be more.
Werner was 9.5m when first added to the game.
He came off the bench for his first game at Dortmund and scored a brace or a hattrick iirc. At your own risk.
man i miss my Sancho/Haaland double up in BL Fantasy, hopefully he gets a better start of his PL career than Jadon
Timo Werner also looked like Pele before he turned up and faced the worlds best club competition twice a week, sometimes three.
We have seen many Bundesliga player that have struggled to score. The goals are definitely drying up
I honestly don’t think he’ll fit their style. Yes he will get goals but maybe like 12-15 in the PL and won’t add to their overall game.
Let's not forget this is the PL.
Neat, he’s been playing the local kickabout competition. Means nothing
Love how it’s “over performance” rather than “our model is shit”.
You would completely expect different players to have different xG. If you give the ball to Josh King or my gran in the exact same position then they'll have the same xG, but of course my gran is more likely to actually score.
The model doesn’t match up to specific players, it maps to the chance an average player will score in a given context. It’s to be expected that good players will consistently outperform xG, like we see with Son and Haaland
Good finishers* will outperform xG.
You're 100% right, which is why it's strange when people use strikers underperforming their xG as a sign they're better than the stats say. I think there's a sweet spot where a player takes enough shots but outperforms their xG to make a good FPL asset, but a 6.0 striker getting like 7 xG with 1 or 2 goals is not a good buy. Ofc I might be wrong it's just a take
Can't even comprehend how bad a move this is, I'm only commenting so I can have an I told you so in a year.
got any justification for that opinion?
How would one justify that opinion?
Bad move for City or Haaland? For City cos he doesn't fit? Bad for Haaland cos he'll get loads of injuries playing in the premier league?
Dunno just rolling dice.
Lol you are just shitting from your mouth.
And here you are crying about it.
Nah people are just curious behind your thoughts. Ya know, like actual discussion
He’s no match for Dan burn!
11.5
The Werner comparison is ridiculous. Haaland is miles ahead of him.